Anyone Else Find That Cancer Commercial Appalling?

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You know, the one with the guy with pancreatic cancer who says he was thrilled to find the Cancer Treatment Centers of America because there wasn't the defeating air of doom he'd encountered in other places.

"The hospital just breeds an environment of hope," he beams, looking extremely healthy.

"Every time we'd go up there, I just knew it would be a good result.

"You could just see the joy on the doctor's face."

(Yeah, because he's probably a paid actor too!)

The suggestion that at a certain hospital, your CAT scans, MRIs, and blood tests might come out better than at others is beyond appalling.

The idea that if a doctor smiles at you with optimism, that means you will live longer is so disturbed that an MRI is needed all right--and not at the Cancer Treatment Center.

This commercial should be illegal.

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nephrophile
nephrophile

CTCofA is an organization dedicated to scavenging the last financial and insurance resources for desperate people being given a true diagnosis from their doctors and they refuse to accept the truth. My Father and my Aunt both had pancreatic cancer in the mid 1950's. My Father died at 47 and my Aunt was given the same treatment died over 40 years later at 80. There is nothing special about Cancer Treatment Centers treatment plans. Sometimes you win... sometimes you lose. Why don't they publish their mortality rates like all other hospital have to do? 

sdkrna3
sdkrna3

 I am sick and tired of seeing these CTofA commercials on CNN incessantly...I really am, I just wish CNN would get funding to "keep the lights on" from some other funding sources and not overly rely on such a huge proportion of their $$$ from the same CTofA. I could stop watching CNN (usually I just mute it when this commercial starts to run) I am just really tired of this barrage of auditory assaults each and every commercial break from CTofA. I can't be the only one!

ssparker83
ssparker83

TO CDPARRISH---are you willing to talk with/email with families or others who are facing this same diagnosis? It would mean so much to our family. Thank you:)

cdparrish05
cdparrish05

I love it when folks make a judgement on people that they have never met! This is for those that are judging the commercials from CTCA. Yes, Doctors do tell people to go home and start getting their affairs in order. Even with treatment...we will give you 6 months. I hope to GOD none of you ever have to hear those words!! Well, I did and it has been about 4 1/2 years since my diagnosis of Stage 4 Pancreatic cancer. Like Roger and Peggy...I made a commercial for CTCA. To clear up any questions.... I WAS NOT PAID for the commercial I made. I did it to Pay it forward! This might be an unknown thing for most of you, but sometimes people do things in order for it to help someone else. This facility gave me HOPE when all the other hospitals gave me 6 months. Who in their right mind would not choose HOPE.So have at it trashing people who took a leap of faith to LIVE! Maybe you could take a dose of REALity and visit one of these places before you talk trash about it!

mag5312
mag5312

ROGER STUMP HAD 6 MONTH'S TO LIVE,BY GOLLY HE'S STILL HERE! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CANCER GERM WARFARE,CREATED BY government"s

ernobaloghi
ernobaloghi

I find it telling that after I posted about the editing of the commercial at the CTCA website, the normally very eager to defend himself ( = grandstanding) Stump has fallen silent.

macb
macb

Let's see now: I point out how manipulative and melodramatic the CTCA ads are, how Roger and Peggy and others allow CTCA to use them and to run these ads, and I'M guilty of "propaganda"? Or maybe it was because I pointed out that, in my life and my work, I had yet to encounter, in countless hours working professionally with people with cancer and holding the hands of family members dying from cancer, doctors of the caliber of "ogreness" and monstrosity like Peggy's "no compassion" doctor or Roger's "big burly doctor"- in others words, what I take to be my healthy skepticism, and questioning the very strong accusations that Roger, Peggy, and others made against doctors and other health professionals outside of CTCA, I'M guilty of "propaganda." Excuse me, Michael, but can you listen to yourself for a New York minute? If someone says, for example, "I had problem X, and Big Fat Evil Meany offered me no hope or compassion or practical help, then along came Miracle Corporation and solved my problem," then the person who says "I've known, had, or worked with loved ones with problem X, and it's very hard to believe that all the professionals you encountered before Miracle Corp. entered your life were Big Fat Evil Meanies, but that has not been my experience," then you call the SECOND person a purveyor of "propaganda"? Have you ever heard of the psychological defense of projection, Michael (Stump, not Musto)? Not to get too complicated with the explanation, but it is essentially saying, "nyah, nyah, I know you are but what am I" when confronted with criticism of one's stated assertions. It is also considered the most immature and infantile of psychological defense mechanisms. You and your family are party to CTCA's highly controversial claims to be Miracle Corp. in the treatment of late-stage cancer, and, even further, attack in very extreme terms all other professionals you encountered previously, and yet YOU do not engage in "propaganda"; rather, your critics or skeptics are "propagandists." Like Humpty Dumpty in Alice In Wonderland: a word means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less. And of course in all of your obfuscation (look that up if you don't know what it means, Michael), you and your dad, and Peggy, and all of CTCA's shills, er, pleased customers, have declined to name names. Who exactly are these compassion-less, or "big burly, wipe-that-smile-off-your-face" doctors you spent a lot of time condemning on CTCA's commercials? Names, please? I'd like to hear THEIR sides of the story, unpaid for by CTCA. Then let me, and all other "propagandists," that is, skeptics of CTCA and their paid minions, come to our own conclusions.

ernobaloghi
ernobaloghi

At CTCA website you can now see the video interview with Mr Stump EDITED to reflect the innacuracy of the TV spot. At the 0:25 second mark they have removed the false bit about "What are you laughing about". This is an obvious admission by CTCA that you lied on the TV spot, isn't it?

http://www.cancercenter.com/vi...

Michael Stump
Michael Stump

No we are still here!!!!!!!!!Just reading all your lovely comments.Mac Brachman the reason no comment back to you from any of my family members.1 being their is no need to lash back out at you for your anger towards my Dad and others.2 being you already have your opinion about everything.3 My Dads memory is not so good as you quoted.The one thing i do want to point out is im sorry for all your family losses,but my Dad had nothing to do with any of your life's tragedies.So please with that being said their is no need to bash Roger Peggy and Ctca.The people are real and their stories are facts not fiction.I truley wished someone as yourself and what you say you went thru had the passion and encouragement to reach out to others.But instead you lash out in spite and anger instead of encouraging others!!!Sad sad world we live in.Also like you said with your big word such as propaganda the only thing i see wrong with you using that word, is that your taking a word based on something you really dont even know anything about!!!Im not fighting with you but making a fact!!Since everyone is a liar and you know everthing.Once again sorry for your family losses but leave your propaganda to yourself its just a opinion not a fact. Sincerly Michael Stump

macb
macb

I notice since I posted four days ago that no one in the Stump family has responded, nor have they responded to emmi and John's perfectly reasonable requests to identify the evil, mustache-twirling "big burly doctor."

The Stumps were paid by CTCA to make a commercial to put CTCA in the best possible light (the usual reason for commercials); the commercial was manipulative and kitschy, using melodramatic music, juxtapositions, and pull-quotes to manipulate viewers. Again, this is standard procedure in commercials. It is also normal for sentient, intelligent beings like emmi, John, and myself to resent CTCA's attempts to play us like violins with their self-serving schlocky, saccharine kitsch. It might be forgotten there, but RS, like Peggy and the others in the CTCA ads, make very nasty aspersions about their pre-CTCA physicians that are outside the common experience of people who have worked with cancer doctors (or any doctors). No we challenge them to tell us who these evil pre-CTCA bastards were; maybe said "bastards" have their side of the story that won't fit RS, Peggy, and the others' (and CTCA's) version of events. Not to mention past CTCA customers who are, shall we say, rather less than satisfied with the results or CTCA's treatment (medical and personal) of them.

But I see Roger and his usually-loquatious family have fallen strangely silent.

macb
macb

I don't know if RS went through exactly what he says he went through. I do not think he is a liar. For the record, my dad died of PC (his name was Malcolm Brachman, born FW Texas 1926, died Chapel Hill NC 2005 if you want to check up on my story). He received treatment at Baylor Hosp. and SW Med Ctr in his (my) home town of Dallas before moving to CH, where my sis and her husband (an MD) live (my bro-in-law is on med faculty at UNC) and receiving desperation tx at Duke and UNC before dying. I myself am a semi-retired psychologist who worked primarily health psychology, oncology, AIDS patients, etc. before quitting (I have the financial wherewithal to do it) because I myself am a widower (my wife died of breast CA) and raising my teen son alone now. Working clinical health psych, onco, AIDS, rehab medicine, etc. over past 18-19 years, and in my personal life, with numerous family members who died of cancer (my mom Minda Brachman died of AM leukemia 2003 in Dallas- born Memphis TN 1931), I have seen all kinds of doctors at all level of competence and "bedside" manners.

Most (not all) had some politesse and skill when giving patients unwanted news on both AIDS and cancer inpatient units (AIDS units were common in urban centers back in the 1990s before the advent of antiretroviral drugs that made the condition more manageable/survivable, but when I was working on a "dedicated" AIDS ward along with other duties it was pretty much a death sentence, ca. 1990-96). What has always rubbed me the wrong way about the CTCA commercials is that all of these cancer patients, Roger and Peggy and the others, apparently never came across an oncologist who wasn't an unfeeling jerk or schmuck who handed his/her patient a "death sentence" and then unfeelingly walked out of the room "with no compassion whatsoever." It is interesting that CTCA and all these patients a) never came across a physician who could act like a decent human being before these patients encountered CTCA and b) suddenly when they got to CTCA every physician was such a mensch and caring human being they made Marcus Welby look like the wicked witch of the West. What a coincidence! Every patient (or at least every patient CTCA CHOOSES TO USE FOR THEIR COMMERCIALS) had an unfeeling Nazi for a doc and then their CTCA docs were all angels! I can say that I have had my share of being around people with terminal illnesses both professionally and personally and 90-95% of the docs were at least decent and tactful, and some went beyond that- crying with the patient, offering extra time to be with them and help them negotiate coming treatment options, etc. And yet in the CTCA commercials, it is uniformly: a) evil non-CTCA docs and b) angelic CTCA docs.

Forgive me Roger and family, but the world hardly seems to break down into such neat categories (and certainly not in my experience) and this is why when I hear you slam your pre-CTCA MD and Peggy do the same and all the others in the commercials, my "skepticism meter" flies over into the red zone. I think, what a bunch of self-serving propaganda for CTCA!

Again, at the risk of angering your ever-vigilant sons on this message board, I'm not calling you a liar. But your report of the experience may be just your memory, an imperfect thing. I'd like to hear that "big burly" doc's side of things, and Peggy's pre-CTCA doc, and also the doc of that woman who supposedly told her she was terminal as she was coming out of anesthesia, then walked out of the room. Don't they deserve to say their sides of the story, since you and CTCA so thoroughly slam them IN PUBLIC?

Sincerely, Mac Brachman

Michael Stump
Michael Stump

Dear John since my Dad is a liar and his family members.I challenge you since your so dead set that we are fakes.Go ahead and call my Dad his number is easy to get,you already have his name.So maybe he might reveal the big burly doc to you lol not.It does not matter what he says to you or others you still have your opinion.Everyone is intitled to a opinion.His is a fact documented with records and Gods healing power of strength and courage.One more thing its not that everyone at ctca and my family members are trying to prove a point or lash out at others.We are just trying to help others with this cancer really all cancers to spread courage and strength,believe me i have better things to do then write you back.Infact its your comment that ticks me off really.I guess im going to leave with this closing statement to the people with the knocks and hanging my Dad up with a clothes hanger while you flog him and get your laughs just as the burly doc did.Please check in to giving him a call he would be glad to talk to his critics.

John
John

I don't believe for one moment that an oncologist would say to a patient "What are you laughing about?, you have 6 months to live", there's just no way, not even a villain in a B movie would say that.

That fake-quote shows the entire story is fake. I don't buy all the Stump family members' comments here either. They are all made by whoever is in charge of advertising for CTCA, who know the importance of the Internet for the believability of their ridiculous TV campaign.

I CHALLENGE "MR. STUMP" to reveal the name of the "BIG BURLY DOCTOR", which is a TOTALLY SCRIPTED quote.

emmi
emmi

Has the "Big Burly Doctor" every been identified or verified?

NANCI
NANCI

THAT BIG BURLY DOCTOR NEEDS HIS FACE KICKED IN.

NANCI
NANCI

i.ll never forget it. there was this big burly doctorehe looked at me and said 'what are you smiling about; you.ve got six months to live'.... 'i.ve never seen anyone live through it'BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHATHAT DOCTOR NEEDS HIS FACE KICKED IN.

sgm
sgm

I have worked in the medical field for over 20 years most of it in hospice care. I know physicians can come across as harsh or cold when discussing death and dying;but for the way Mr. Stump describes how the physician addressed him in regards to his smiling I feel due to shock and pain, Mr. Stump only "heard" what he thought was sarcasm. During this time of the diagnosis can be overwhelming for everyone. I still would like to know what this facility can and will do that some of the leading cancer treatment centers in Texas cannot provide.

Jim A.
Jim A.

I don't have a problem with the commercial's message that this center provides a great service - I'm genuinely glad and happy for all those who've gone there and have found comfort and improved health - God bless all of you!

I just have a real hard time believing that ANY semi-intelligent doctor - even the "big burly" ones - would actually be so callous and flippant with a patient who was just handed a death sentence. I simply find it hard to believe that ANYONE - let alone a caregiver - would say "what are you smiling about? You have six months to live!" in the situation as presented in that commercial.

Mr. Stump's story and the scenario he presents, attempts to elevate the center's level of care by denigrating and disparaging the care given elsewhere. This only detracts from their message.

Roger Stump
Roger Stump

Tory

Actually I had been diagnosed a week earlier. The BBD was obviously suprised by my smile. The term BBD popped out of my mouth during the taping in Philadelphia. Obviously I cannot say his name and I really meant no disrespect. I really was expecting him to be able to fix me. He came so highly recommended. I will say that I was not smiling when I left him. I had no idea what to try next. Thank God I made the right choice. Remember the commercial is taken from 4 hours of tape. I said many things that day and had no control over what was used.

Roger Stump

tory
tory

It's not that people don't believe you have (had) cancer, it's the hokey story that you tell that's not plausible. Why would you be smiling as he (the big burly doctor) is telling you that you have PC? I'd be really upset and crying my eyes out. I've been sick for the past 4 years with kidney disease. Granted, it's not cancer but I have spent a great deal of time being hospitalized, tested, bioped, scanned, sliced, diced, transplanted, etc. In all of that I don't remember any of the doctors or caregivers being as insensitive as you're saying the burly doc was. And what does his size have to do with anything. Do you think it makes it sound worse? Are you saying that big people are insensitive?

I just think the commercial is hokey and unbelieveable. That's why you're getting so much flack. The American public is gullible but not that gullible. It insults people's intelligence.

Aundre
Aundre

First of all ctca is a place of hope, my family member is actually fighting PC...... Her doctor is Dr. Levin if you don't believe me type in Dr. Levin on you tube or better yet type in Chris Parrish she is the most recent surviver of pc from ctca her full story/ videos or on YouTube....also Peggy Kessler is real my mother took a pic with her at ctca in Zion,Ill

She doing good so far no cancer on the pancreas just some lesions on the liver, they are working on that....soon she will be in remission.

I believe Roger stump story.100% I have been to ctca, seen what goes on inside the place. By the way Roger I see you are from Alabama we are from Mississippi. The two states that favor.....glad hear of your success story, you are very inspirational to us.

Aundre
Aundre

First of all ctca is a place of hope, my family member is actually fighting PC...... Her doctor is Dr. Levin if you don't believe me type in Dr. Levin on you tube or better yet type in Chris Parrish she is the most recent surviver of pc from ctca her full story/ videos or on YouTube....also Peggy Kessler is real my mother took a pic with her at ctca in Zion,Ill

She doing good so far no cancer on the pancreas just some lesions on the liver, they are working on that....soon she will be in remission.

I believe Roger stump story.100% I have been to ctca, seen what goes on inside the place. By the way Roger I see you are from Alabama we are from Mississippi. The two states that favor.....glad hear of your success story, you are very inspirational to us.

Nathan Stump
Nathan Stump

Too Big Burly Doctor probably not just some low life spreading his useless and ignorant opions all i have to say is shame on you but one day you will answer to God.All i have to say is God will protect my father from all harm and what i think about you is your a low life piece of trash all you can do is run your mouth but if you was face to face you would probably shut your mouth your threats are not a threat to my dad or his family because me and my broher love him and will protect him at all cost unlike you who probably are divorced have kids that depise you and have no life so all i say is get a life you ignorant trash

Watchescommericalsalot
Watchescommericalsalot

Wow. I've always been a fan of the commerical but I'm surprised this story is real. God bless you, Roger--even more than He already has.

Dale Ann Burke
Dale Ann Burke

EVERY time I see a commercial with Roger Stump or Peggy Kessler, any of the patients from CCTA, I say a prayer. Praise God they found a facility that treats their devasting cancer with dignity. Wish MY mother had a place like this 28 years ago. God Bless!!!

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom

Yes, I've seen the commercial. Too bad Stump, the patient, didn't turn out to be a statistic for the failure of treatment.

Doctor Gareth
Doctor Gareth

There are many people misdiagnosed with cancer, and my question to the survivor: Did you have antibiotics at any point during your treatment? What was your CA19-9 level? You could have had pancreatitis or an abscess. Or even an angioma. You survived the cancer because you did not have cancer. It happens a lot. CTCA did not biopsy you or check if you really had it correct? Did you have surgery? They get average or below average grades from healthgrades. They are inferior when it comes to medical care. They are a business. It is all about marketing. IF they took a tiny portion of what they spend on marketing and ads and put that into their doctors and equipment, then they would be world-class. Perhaps they would find a cure? Instead, they use it to lure more patients in, stage 4 preferably because lawyers don't like stage 4 cases so they have low liability costs which they factor into their business model. You are dealing with New Yorkers - the B.S. meter is very well developed in NY.

Matthew
Matthew

One additional comment:

I said that the ad says clearly "results not typical". That is not really true.

The ad flashes a printed message, saying "results not typical", and some more stuff that there isn't time to read.

This message flashes in about 1/4 of a second, possibly repeated in another segment of another 1/4 of a second.

It is almost impossible to read the entiremessage. I still don't know what it saysin it's entirety.

Matthew
Matthew

The story of Mr. Stump is a true story, but how typical is it? His faith is very strong, and that is what it takes to win against cancer. I am sure that CTCA really did help him!

It is also notable that the commercial says clearly "results not typical".

It takes a strong will to live, and a strong belief that the disease can be beaten, to succeed. With these, CTCA is clearly the best hospital.

But Mr. Stump is not the typical patient. His belief that he will beat cancer, his faith that God will help him, are very strong, and give him the essential inner strength to defeat cancer. With those incredible inner strenghts, CTCA provides the extra edge, the winning environment,to defeat the disease.

Many of the rest of us? Human weakness..we do not have the strong drive to live andthe strong faith in God or even in ourselves. CTCA alone can't make up for these deficits.

That is why Mr. Stump is outstanding, hedefeated cancer; he could have been a leaderand led an army to victory. He could develop that inner faith to a high concentration, to the point where you could feel him enter a room.

And it is magnificent to see the support of his beautiful family!

"Results not typical."

Much love to you, and family, Mr. Stump!

and Congratulations!!

NaturalBornSkeptic
NaturalBornSkeptic

The distinct impression one gets from CTCA's commercial(s) is that they are better at treating patients --with better cure rates-- than other hospitals & doctors. If true this should be easily provable. If not, it constitutes deceptive trade practices and they should be forced to stop.

As with any medical condition, cancer has it's share of people who survive despite the odds. But singling out these outliers and their anecdotal testimony as somehow being representative of CTCA's "we're-better-than-the-rest" campaign stinks.

I recently heard that out of the millions of termanilly ill who visit the Catholic shrine at Lourdes, France each year only 60 have been documented as unexplainable healed. It sounds like Mr. Stump believes he's still alive because his god wills it. But by that logic, his god will will him gone soon enough. "Believing is seeing"

karen
karen

This commercial insults the intelligence of all cancer patients and the doctor's who spend their lives, workng night and day, treaing cancer patients. I don't believe for one moment that an oncologist would say to a patient "What are you laughing about? "You have 6 months to live". I'd like to know the name of that doctor to see if he really exists. This commercial should be investigated!!!!

roger stump
roger stump

Robert

The commercial and the webpage video material was taken from 3 hours of unscripted interview film shot on 9/25/2008 at a library on the campus of Rosemont college in Rosemont PA. The big burly doctor comment just popped out of my mouth. He was about 6'-2" and 300+ lbs with a scruffy red beard and hair. Along with saying "what are you smiling about" and "you only have 6 months to a year to live", he also told me that he had seen over 1000 patients like me and they were all DEAD, also said that he had never heard of anyone living from it and that chemo would be like "dear hunting with a BB gun". Lastly he used the all too famous "go home and get your affairs in order". After he finished, I told him that I wasn't going to die from it. He looked back at me puzzled and asked why not? I replied that "Jesus was not going to let me die from this".

God bless you too Robert

Roger Stump

robert
robert

Mr. Stump,God bless and continued good health. The part of the commercial that I was appalled and shocked by was the "big burly doctor" who said "what you are smiling about? You only have six months to live!"

I have nightmares about a doctor (burly or not)saying that me! Did the "big burly doctor" literally say that??

It is interesting to note the reference to the "big burly doctor" and his shocking quote is not metioned your video as seen on the CTCA website.

Robert

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Dear Swayze :((. You will be not forgotten forever. I feel sorry that you are not here with us.

Nathan Stump
Nathan Stump

Im sorry for the language i used but it makes me mad people make statements about people that are not true they need to look at the facts before running there mouth as far as michael musto goes all i got to say is he is a fool for not looking into this before writing this bull crap shame on him may god have mercy on him.My Dad is a true man of God so dont let me reflect who is cause im not as kind and patient and loving as my father,All i have to say is i love you dad and so proud of you and i do thank god for you each and everyday.So anyone else want to bash Roger Stump needs to leave him be it is considered a wise man to close his mouth then to speak and make a fool of himself

Nathan Stump
Nathan Stump

Anyone that has a negative comment to say about my dad ill come and beat there fucking ass my dad almost died from cancer and for anyone to make fun of it deserves to burn in hell so fuck all you negative pieces of shit Roger Stump is a real man unlike the ones who have no clue on what the fuck they are talking about so if some one has something say for now on just the the fuck up

Mary Seaman Lutz
Mary Seaman Lutz

Roger is a REAL pancreatic cancer survivor.His commercial was done without notes and without payment! He is faithful to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Anyway, it really doesn't make any difference what anyone else thinks. Hopefully you or anyone in your family will not have to go through what Roger and family has gone through. If you do, I sure hope you know our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!!!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

If any of you live near one of the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, I would encourage you to go in for a tour. They have nothing to hide. See for yourself the truth behind the commercials.

Anita Sherman
Anita Sherman

Roger Stump is my brother in law. His is a true story. I am the person who passed along the information to contact the Cancer Treatment Centers of America after his dreaded diagnosis in 2004.

Roger is a loving, caring husband, father, grandfather & friend. I've known him for over 40 yrs. Roger is exactly what he protrays. Roger is all about caring, sharing, working hard & sharing his life's commitment to our Lord.

Roger's faith in Jesus, his loving family, friends and the physicians/staff of CTCA have all played an important role in his beating this dreaded disease.

Roger worked hard for his survival. Please don't make a mockery of this wonderful story of survival. You should be encouraged to check out your facts before making such mean, hateful & totally incorrect statements!

Michael Stump
Michael Stump

Roger Stump is my father,and to you to make fun of our last name,is quite childish,grow up.To others that dont believe him that is your opinion.The cancer is real the story is real,paid actor no.Their is no money involved with his cancer.People get your facts right before you attack a man that has come so far in helping others,with his faith and strength.I pray for the ones that take likely of this and hope you are never placed in his shoes,and others that have pc.Also the paid whore comment was also childish and does not speak highly of yourself and who you are.Just a opinion i hope i dont get attacked like others that have posted on here.The truth will set you free and this is what he is doing so leave an honest man alone,bite your tongue before you even know your facts.I love you Dad keep your truth going.Ctca bless you.

cdparrish05
cdparrish05

@ssparker83 I would be more than happy to speak with anyone that is affected by this Beast.

My email is christinaparrish.ctca@gmail.com.  I would be more than happy to share my telephone# once I receive an email.  :)

pjcass84
pjcass84

They probably Can't Id the Big Burly Doctor---they might be Sued, GET REAL

flopjack
flopjack

@John i was in an Anaheim CA hospital with MRSA skin infections.. before they moved me to a 'private room (it is a Major Health Crisis these germs that are now resistant to antibiotics, so i should have been in some type of quarantine but nope.
Not at this near or in Anaheim Hospital. in California, was 2001.

ANYWAYS... 

There was this Hispanic woman with 2 children who spoke NO English and her older sister who did (Both in there 30's) a doctor came 'sweating' into our Huge room of 6 beds and sat down.. must have been hot out - said "so why haven't you started the chemo? didn't you understand what the UCLA doctors told you? You will be DEAD by Christmas! he was pissed off at her it seemed for having young kids and not doing anything for the last 3-4 months.
Then the dic, i mean Doc stormed out of the room.  The lady cried. Her sister cried for her and hugged her after the shock of those words hit home.
They spoke in Spanish. I speak some and understood them...  in fact "I" was trying to translate the rest of Dic MD's words TO THEM!  Since he surely wasn't bringing in or taking the time to find a translator.
So YES..  IT HAPPENS.  I had known them for 2-03 days.  and I cried for them all.

and it happened FIRST at The UCLA Renowned for their Great Care.  She went there first.  - I think that was around the end of Summer.

And yet Neither women had a clue AT ALL - Neither GOT What The UCLA People were telling them!
Neither understood that when the UCLA people said they needed to make more appointments "when convenient to them"...
but they'd thought they meant the following month or two.

- But in hindsight now.. and after that Doctor's hissy fit!.. that they had  (probably) meant appointments the following day or two at a TIME that was convenient - not a DAY or whenever it would be Convenient!!  Would probably have helped if they'd cared enough to bring in even a Spanish-speaking Nurses Aid!   Anybody who spoke their language since clearly a Spanish Speaking Doctor was out of the question to them at UCLA - for them anyways.

 - that they meant NOW NOW NOW!  YOU MUST HAVE CHEMO NOW IF YOU WANT TO LIVE!   I wonder ed what would have been different if they'd understood.

But was just as this white dic doc didn't either. 
THEY were stunned.

Then her husband came in - still in his dish-washing clothes - and brought in the kids

 - He gave her a kiss, then sat in the chair and fell to sleep in 10 minutes.
 the kids had crawled into the bed.  The 2 sisters spoke quietly to each other and the now-dying Mother asked her sister to take the kids when the time came... and Not to let HIM have them. (apparently there a story there between them that needed No Explanation as to why.) 

But they still didn't REALLY believe the doctor.  SHE was FINE!  Better Than ME!
 Laughing walking awake..  telling jokes.  Eating well..  eating brought in food - sharing - worried about ME!  Great great people.
I was soon moved into another room for One...  and i was discharged a week later and then it was Mid-December.. I ran into those two kids - rather THEY ran into ME at a Dolar Store in Anaheim.  I asked how Mom was they looked down..  she was at a hospice.  I showed the next day:  She was now in a semi-coma..  there was no talking.  no joking.  no eating.  just sleeping and silent tears from family.

Then she died 3-4 days later - never made it to Christmas.

Always HATED that the Dic of a Doc was right... Guess she did have some sort of an expiration toe tag at that point.

So people... Yea.  

Some MD's ARE  THAT  BAD... IF Not WORSE!  Whole institutions that treat every money group and insurance and yet don't care enough to make sure they understand YOUR LANGUAGE!  bastards

Some have Zero bedside manner.. some go in and 'explain' the situation in English to those that only really understand Spanish.  

You will be dead before Christmas.
That was a sentence that those who: "speaky lil English" can still understand.

pjcass84
pjcass84

i work at a Hospital, and yes, things like that can be Said, people say Crazy Things, doctor's, Nurses are humans, they sometimes say tthings Inappropriately, without Thinking, so, Yes, i believe it was Probably Said. Doctors are Human, are not infallible

pjcass84
pjcass84

yes, Doctors can be that way, i have worked at a Hospital 43 yeares, some are Honest, maybe Too Honest, Darn Right blunt at times. it does happen.

pjcass84
pjcass84

He may have been Smiling because he was in DENIAL. People all act Differently

pjcass84
pjcass84

well, INVESTIGATE IT THEN

flopjack
flopjack

@pjcass84  it certainly does.
i find it odd that so many comments are about their disbelief that this even happens or Could Happen!
Just shows how Lucky they HAVE BEEN - so far.

May all of you who find that comment as impossible...
may you keep on thinking that for a very, very long time.

Peace be with you all.

Jack

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