Cary Grant and Randolph Scott: A Love Story

This historical observation just came in from regular reader Gregory Moore:

"It's happened to me more than once: While conversing with a straight person, Cary Grant's name will come up and the topic of whether or not he was gay arises.


"It seems that straight people -- especially straight women -- will bristle and become very sexually territorial about him. Sort of like, 'No, you can't have him! He's ours!'

"I can't think of any other star whose nebulous sexuality gives rise to such a tug-of-war between the hets and the homos.

"For me, the answer lies in the following photos I've collected over the years of Grant with Randolph Scott. Grant's 'friendship' with the devastatingly handsome Scott was remarkably open and fairly candid in the dangerously oppressed 1930s.

"There were several photo shoots for the fan magazines of the two 'merry bachelors,' who for several years shared a beach house in Santa Monica, as well as a mansion in the Los Feliz area of Los Angeles, which was commonly referred to in the press as 'Bachelor Hall,' both before, during, and after their various marriages to women (they had seven marriages between them).

"These photos are just a few of the many I've found, and I find it so perfectly clear that they were much more than just 'roommates.' It's obvious that they shared a great love and were just about the most physically gorgeous couple in Hollywood history."

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Radiant30
Radiant30

It is well known that sodomite/homosexual/effeminate males are drawn to arts (i.e. acting esp.)...but if true it's impossible to have a love story when 2 of the same sex are together.  It would be however a perversion of sexual and mental/spiritual union...and a insult to 'drag' a man out of the closet already dead & not alive to defend himself (esp. considering claims by some of fake pictures, marriages, false rumors, etc.)  In the end...unless you have a confession (even death bed)...it's a disgrace to his legacy.  I'm 30 something and know this...so I'm assuming whomever the writer is must be at least of age to grasp the truth of the fact?

Ed_Gauthier
Ed_Gauthier

Mr. Musto's column attracts yet more commentary speculation by folks who don't ever seem to want to deal with the simple fact that many stars were just bisexual. Some bis prefer women more, some don't. In the case of Grant and Scott, if they were bi, they both preferred women. 

When a plain gay covers up his status, he marries one "beard" only, not several. And the spouse they married would also be bisexual and/or otherwise interested in non-sexual pursuits, like drinking. At that time, there was also a very heavy influence of "British class" covering the Hollywood studio system (attitude, line delivery, even clothing), much of which seems quite effeminate by today's standards. The fact that Grant was British to boot further cements this outward impression. 

Yes, naughty nympho Mae West's point of view would not tolerate any man being distracted from jumping her gorgeous curvy frame for even a moment. So to her any guy not always acting ultra-straight must therefore have been 100 percent "gay." But such was not the case.

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

This is not proof they were gay.  If you read David Niven's biography he describes how he and Errol Flynn were housemates too.  Lots of straight single guys room together when they're not married.  The fact that Scott had two wives and Grant 5 should be evidence enough.  Besides there is nothing risqué about these photos. 

ibzorro51
ibzorro51

You know, I am sick of these losers trying to implicate dead people as gay. This is pathetic. To what end would these sickos try to say they were gay. Even if they were they were great actors and didn't or couldn't flaunt it back then. I am sick of loser saying "I'm gay, look at me." NO THANKS.

dwschock
dwschock

it would be obvious today, but not necessarily then--guys can "love" each other but still stick to rules that they believe in, such as sexual / religious ethics (not saying they should or shouldnt) of their time. They also might just "like girls" instead. These guys clearly love each other, as great friends, and what else matters, where the body parts go or dont, and so on?? The main part is the love, and that is to be respected, and celebrated, IMO. And as a straight man, I also can appreciate these very beautiful men. We are humans first. All love deserves our devotion and protection.

hmppessoa
hmppessoa

I don´t care if they were gay, they were gorgeous

iriscutforth
iriscutforth

There were several actors that made up the Randolph Scott character.  There was two with white hair that were the best One was my father, Theodore Melbourne Wigle, he has a w marked with ink on his photo among youtube, "What ever happened to Randolph Scott?" to id him from the others.  He was the best stunt man but shorter than the older Randolph Scott. My dad, claimed to have nine kids with 2 wives. Hugh Hephner never married. Clint Walker filled in on occassion but with long shots. But, there was another someone like Peter Graves. I just can't remember rite now...all family men except for Hugh who may have felt that he was the owner of the copyright as he was the investor. Was Hugh gay? I think he was sort of not interested in anyone. I remember though that as a child that had been arrested for loitering/playing outside around 6 years of age, Hugh came running claiming that I was his child but he knew that he wasn't the other Randolph Scott. He felt sorry for me. Strange, isn't it? And, he paid the fine.  I think that these rumours were done to keep people away from the real families or someone had a REAL grudge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rhleeiii
rhleeiii

Two men more gorgeous than anyone ever had a right to be.  Having sex play with whomever they wanted, whenever they wanted.  Sounds pretty "advanced" to me.  I can understand how difficult it is to imagine for anyone that would prefer to slap them down with a label of "gay."  God I hate narrow minded sexual politics.  Both of them were great actors and charming as hell.  Better than we deserve, haha.

Namora
Namora

I seem to remember a photo of the two of them cooking breakfast together that looked very gay indeed. It was "the one" that convinced me.

maxum650
maxum650

Great pics, Thank you VOICE.

Two hot guys, great fashion my lover and I are both thinking of smoking again after seeing the siluet pic ......sunday Morn...a good read, coffee, french breakfast,,, and   Winston....   

douzpwa
douzpwa

Fact that people are questioning and still do not for sure know one way or the other tells its own story! I personally dont think so, i  lived with a mate for 4 years before getting a flat and then another mate needed help and stayed with me for a few years before he passed away we were best friends and helped each other we were not gay! Too many people guessing and presuming what they want to believe! If it were true then I doubt there would be so much debate?

marketingthemuse
marketingthemuse

imagine living in a time when you could not express yourself without ruining your career? Oh, that might be happening right now to folks working for corporations whose leaders are known for their  extreme politics & generous PAC giving.....

deestin1972
deestin1972

Why is it that when people wore baggy pants back then no one tried to claimed they were trying to 'act black black '?That's all I hear now days. *rolls eyes*

 

Anyways, on to the issue at hand. I really can't say if they were gay or not (regardless of gossip, photos, hearsay, etc). Back then you have to remember guys didn't act as macho in the same way they do now. They hugged, kissed even, and nothing much was thought of it. Now a days, they would go into shock and die on the spot if another man hugged them or something.

 

But the odd things is, certain very sexual suggestions and actions between males of this generation are very common, but it's considered ribbing and joking. Don't ask me why... I'm a chick, but I mostly hang out with males, other chicks find me odd, for some reason.I don't care about yapping about makeup or some guys or a lot of gossip (some gossip is fun, I must admit...lol).

 

Anyway, these guys are straight, and would knock a block off if it was even hinted they had any 'gay feelings'. Sad, yeah. But that's how it is. Even odder, the ones calling themselves liberal are far more homophobic than the ones calling themselves conservative, but neither type will admit to any homophobia..lol.  They are always making comments about wrestlers they don't like being gay as if it's a bad things and a good put down. I got on them a few times about it, but to no avail. *sigh*

 

Cary Grant and Randolph Scott, two good looking guys, and from the looks of it, may have been a cute couple. :-)

wayout
wayout

The picture with grant reading what I assume is a script, while lying by Randolph's feet as the latter is absorbed in his book, is the sweetest and also most telling vignette. Can you picture any straight buddies doing such a thing, in a house that's big enough to accomodate separate reading rooms?

ldbigg
ldbigg

Randolph was worth well over 100 million dollars when he died.

ldbigg
ldbigg

Betsy was third, Dyan was fourth.  Barbara was fifth.

ldbigg
ldbigg

No. his roommatte was Orry Kelly.

Jensie
Jensie

Two gorgeous and talented actors....Wonderful photos thanks for sharing them!!

Guest
Guest

They're so adorable together. If they were boyfriends, it must've really caused conflict between them to marry women as cover ups. That's very stressful. 

jim fornaro
jim fornaro

Also May West outed them back when she wrote her auto-biography, not to be mean but as peice of trivia.  They  were not Hollywood's first, you had Errol Flynn and Tyrone Power that had a gay afair for many years just revealed about 10-15 years ago.  Saadly Society has not changed and these romances had to be kept hidden.  God only know how many of our bygone Hollywood legends lives a sheltered and secretive life because of bigotry!

mrchrome
mrchrome

Add fudge to the sauce...?

Sherry
Sherry

In the 1940 census, Cary Grant and Randolph Scott and listed as partners at 1018 Ocean Front, Santa Monica.  I'm just sayin.

S Bullock
S Bullock

I am gagging over someone like you being born...you mom should have swallowed 

Carl Parran
Carl Parran

As for their rooming together. One does have to consider that it was the 1930's, and, America, along with the rest of the world, was in the Great Depression. Two bachelor roommates did cut down expenses; and, if anything, both were known to be real skinflints, when it came to a buck..

Flying Tiger
Flying Tiger

What rubbish! Cary Grant was NOT homosexual! He just rather enjoyed sleeping with chaps who were.

Jane the Pain
Jane the Pain

Also, while Cary Grant was "gorgeous," I could never imagine a romantic interlude with him.  He seems like a wonderful guy with whom to spend the afternoon shopping and talking about other love interests and about our kids and hopes and dreams for them.  But a lover?  I think it is because he gave off a gay vibe.  Now, Daniel Craig may be a rather unpleasant looking guy with his clothes on, but I couldn't imagine being in a room with him without wanting to rip those clothes off.  He gives off a straight as hell vibe.  I am a woman.  I know a guy who is off limits when I see him.

Jane the Pain
Jane the Pain

First of all, the comment about women being "territorial," that is true, but only with other women.  Most women would gladly cut a guy lose with her best wishes if she found out he was gay.  A woman will beat herself up forever over the loss of a man to another woman--she will always compare herself to the woman who won.  She can chalk up such a loss to a man as not being reflective of her shortcomings.  

That being said, I do think Cary Grant is gorgeous, but I have always thought that he was gay.  It is just so obvious to me.  I think he married to stop the rumors.  The connection between these two men is clear in their body language.  I also always thought that Rock Hudson was gay, and I am sure that someday, George Clooney will be "outed."  He is so gay.  But, so what?  Good for them. I just wish they could be more open about it in this society, but for George to lose his aura of "availability" and "heterosexual manliness" would be career suicide.  

Regidens77
Regidens77

I long had R. Scott as my idol. This makes me want to cry.

James N Beatson
James N Beatson

In the autobiography of Hollywoods top private eye he told how Grant's wife, Betsy Drake, hired him to follow Grant as she suspected he was seeing another woman. The PI caught him in bed with Scott, which led do the divorce.Jim B

ferst38
ferst38

@ibzorro51 RELAX, they aren't implying anything they are setting the record straight ;)

Psion
Psion

@ibzorro51 - the only losers and sickos I know of are those among us who deny love exists.  I'm gay - look at me, honey.

aquaboy347
aquaboy347

@iriscutforth What in Hell are you trying to say? If English is your third language I apologize, if you paid for your education, you should ask for a refund.

aquaboy347
aquaboy347

@iriscutforth What in Hell are you trying to say? If you went to public school for an education, you might think about suing. If you paid for your education, you were robbed and still consider suing.

bibidoll21
bibidoll21

@iriscutforth This is so unclear, who could possibly understand what the heck the point of it is!!

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@wayout wishful thinking you damn queer.  In those days guys acted less homophobic in one sense but if one guy actually made a physical play for another he would get busted in the chops. 

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@jim fornaro Oh yeah, Mae West:  that's a reliable source.

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@jim fornaro all you fags like to pretend this gay love existed in order to increase your "self esteem".  Power is about the only one I believed was bisexual since he took a world trip with Caesar Romero, who was definitely gay.  A straight guy isn't going to go anywhere with a fag.  Period.

tedcristler
tedcristler

Ah yes, the sound of ignorance and bigotry. Education helps both ailments.

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@Sherry you think "partners" meant guy in 1940?  Try again.

tedcristler
tedcristler

Hey, I lived on Ocean Front Walk in Venice with my partner in 1983 and 84. We weren't famous, but it was one great place to be when your young and crazy.

Brat1of2
Brat1of2

Wow. Lemme guess, your a republican. I think, based in your closed mind, that your mom should have swallowed. Ps, I'm not gay and doubt these men were either. Close friends living and having fun does not make them gay. The 30s were a different time.

Bill Clark
Bill Clark

Leaveit alone. Who cares!!!!  They were great actors!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@Jane the Pain Right you are.  Everyone should read Dyan Cannon's book about Cary Grant, which produced a daughter.  She was one of the most attractive women in the world.  Before that he pursued Sophia Loren.  And he was in his 50s/60s at the time.

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@Jane the Pain I don't think Clooney is gay either.  I'm a few years younger than him and still chase women; usually at least 8 years younger.  Some guys just don't sew all of their wild oats until they're at least 55.  There are just too many beautiful women around.

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@Regidens77 don't worry - just a bunch of lying, crap spewed by the gay community.  They also made up that Matthew Shepherd was killed because he was gay when in fact it was a drug deal gone sour. 

The_Westerner
The_Westerner

@James N Beatson You are discounting what Ms. Drake herself said about how Grant screwed like any normal red blooded American (well English) male.

rnaether
rnaether

@ferst38@ibzorro51 

I do not care if they were gay or not, as actors they were some of the best and that's what I care about.

If they were gay  I hope they enjoyed life and if they were not I hope they enjoyed life.

gfm2011
gfm2011

Wow. Lemme guess, you're a complete idiot.

tedcristler
tedcristler

Sex education really should of been taught at your school.

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