Larry Kramer Says Gay Marriage Is An Embarrassment

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Larry Kramer is the longtime elder statesman-slash-screamer of the gay community, who's always berating LGBTs -- and the world -- for taking crumbs of acceptance without fighting for true equality.

And he's usually right.

The Normal Heart author is appalled that so much fuss is being made about gay marriage having been approved in New York because the reality is, until DOMA is repealed, the marriages won't be on an equal plane with straight ones as far as rights and acceptance.

Says Larry, "These marriages in whatever state are what I call feelgood marriages.

"Compared to the benefits heterosexual maarriages convey, gay marriages are an embarrassment."

Larry feels it's absurd "that we should accept so little, and with so much hoopla of excitement and self congratulation."

Make you want to scream? Well, don't.

Larry isn't a feel-good kind of person.

And if he wants to throw caca at the gay marriage parade, fine.

We need someone to balance things, and besides, he's right!


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corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

Everyone already understands what Larry Kramer said about state level marriage equality. There is no reason not to celebrate an important step along the way towards ditching DOMA and getting actual marriage equality everywhere. Now, if you want a sustained analysis of how class and assimilationist and sexual freedom issues come into play in the "priviledged" campaign for legally formed couples...well, okay, that's a discussion. Certainly a portion of the millions spent on getting marriage equality could have helped, say, some homeless glbt teens.

FindingNamo
FindingNamo

Because if there's one thing Larry Kramer hates more than feeling good, it's other people feeling good.

MartinNYID
MartinNYID

Perhaps because he's been sick for 30 years? And watched the compromisers sell out his entire community. Rah rah rah, better run to catch an ecstasy and a pride float! Liberation!

Murdoch Matthew
Murdoch Matthew

We're not accepting "so little" -- we're fighting for the whole thing, a bit at a time. Those Connecticut marriages moved NY State on; NY marriages will move the country on. The more gay couples are seen by the wider society as "married," the more natural it will seem. Kramer is right -- as long as there's DOMA, same-sex marriages will be second-class. But without same-sex marriages, there'd be no pressure to ditch DOMA. I wish Kramer were a little more conciliatory, but half our gains have come as extremists have made more lesser positions look moderate. We owe him, loud mouth and all.

Ronald
Ronald

Not everyone has your kind of scope, Mr. Kramer.  I totally, completely agree with you and wish that more would take the lead to repeal DOMA.  But you know what?  There are some folks in life who have simpler dreams.  Quieter vision.  They want to live their lives that way...simply and quietly.  Not all of us are as blessed to be in a kind of bully pulpit, let alone know how to use it.  And I dare say that most -- gay, straight, whatever -- are happy to be inspired and led by such a thinking, dynamic, forward mind as yours.  Sometimes baby steps really are better than no steps at all.  I have a sense -- if I dare say so, being a straight man -- that you realize some people are meant to jump into the fray with both feet.  Others wait... I hate the waiting so much of the time, but history tells us that eventually people come around.  In their OWN time...and when they feel it finally affects them.  Remember the line from FIELD OF DREAMS:  "If you build it, they will come."  You strike me as a builder, sir, with your constant prodding and pushing.  It's not only admirable -- it's necessary.

Timmmyk
Timmmyk

Oh, life is a fucking embarrassment. Chill out grandma. You did your bit. Get off the horse. I got married to my hubby in Ct. a few years ago. Nobody lit up a waterfall for us and our action helped spur what's going on now ,so inch by inch if it must or else nothing would happen.

MartinNYID
MartinNYID

Wow! What homophobia and sexism coming from within the community for someone expressing an opinion. How very right-wing of you. Chill out fag. (same thing, no?)

jonster
jonster

I did an informal poll, and it seems like most of my partnered-up friends want to wait for Federal recognition.  You can file jointly on State taxes, but still have to file separate for the Fed.  Larry Kramer is right, but it's only a matter of time. 

Ibis
Ibis

Everything he wrote in Normal Heart turned out to be true, so I'll cut him some slack about this newest utterance.

Vodkastinger
Vodkastinger

he is usually right.  I had the dubious honor of bumping into him on Gay St. not long ago, I thought that was appropriate.

MartinNYID
MartinNYID

I concur. The marriage, while moving and meaningful for the people participating in them, are not equal. I have maintained all along that if you seek a religious-based institution, you'll get it. Instead of demanding 'Marriage' the effort should be on partnerships - equal under the law, and letting whoever wants to parade in churches and synagogues do that on their own. Otherwise, you're asking the state to sanction a religious institution, which will be forever hostage to any 'DOMA' action the jackals of a given time want to jump on.

Two men and two women are not the same as heterosexual couples - they serve different purposes and share totally different dynamics. Society should be acknowledging and affirming the inherent qualities instead of trying to re-write some 1950s Beaver Cleaver version of life.

Norman Dostal
Norman Dostal

wrong of course-no one has ever pushed for religious marriages-we want civil ones which is what this country issues-marriage is only religious if you wnat it to be. No again, two adults together in a legal contarct is the same no matter what the sexes-what differences are you talking about? procreation-irrlevenat in terms of civil marriage and not required-no otehr differences besides bigoted, religious ones

MartinNYID
MartinNYID

No, take a basic civics course before spouting. 'Marriage' is a religious institution 'recognized' by the state. This is why the right wing has made a mockery of the entorie movement, and it reignited the gay-bashers in Washington. Second, if you think two men are the same as two women as one of each...you're delusional. Try getting some information from something other than the pop-media rumor mill

Robert Carr
Robert Carr

Bitterness is like cancer. It eats upon the host. But anger is like fire. It burns it all clean. Maya Angelou 

LyndonEvans
LyndonEvans

Kramer has long been a self-hating fag. Always has been, always will be.

Thankfully most ignore him when he opens his mouth or pens opines.

You could hand Kramer a fulfilled Rainbow on a gold platter and he would still find something to bitch about.

Larry ... just shutup and try to enjoy your less than glowing Golden (or is it Brass for Kramer) Years.

Heehaw
Heehaw

Can't he accept that the struggle keeps going, but at least a major victory was won?

Rara
Rara

Anyone think Larry's rants are really about drawing attention to himself??

Musto
Musto

Thanks to datalounge for the tipoff.

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