I Saw J. Edgar And I Have The Gay Details!

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SPOILER ALERT!

I liked J. Edgar, the Clint Eastwood-directed flick, written by Dustin Lance Black, about controversial crime fighter J. Edgar Hoover, played by Leonardo DiCaprio.

More than anything, it turns out to be a tortured love story between Hoover and his underling/companion Clyde Tolson, played by Armie Hammer.

They hold hands a lot and share knowing looks, and at one point Hoover tells Clyde, "I'll get us adjoining rooms," as you think, "I bet you will!"

A flashback shows Hoover telling Ma (Dame Judi Dench), "I don't like to dance with women," which spurs her into closeting overdrive.

She shows him how to dance with a woman (herself), reminds him about the open gay everyone called "Daffy" (as in Daffodil) who killed himself, and snarls, "I'd rather have a dead son than a daffodil!"

Flash forward and Hoover is telling Clyde that he's gotten physical with Dorothy Lamour and is considering marrying her.

Jealous Clyde goes ballistic and they violently fist-fight, followed by Clyde planting a desperate kiss on Hoover, to which Hoover warns, "Don't you ever do that again!"

Rejection-fight-kiss-rejection. Yet they kept coming back to each other for more bouts of conflicted passion, with Clyde the conscience behind J. Edgar's self-loathing.

There's also the inevitable scene in which J. Edgar puts on his dead mama's dress and pretty necklace and falls apart crying. The glamorous pain just wouldn't stop!

By the way, the film tells us that when Hoover died, Clyde got the estate, and when he died, he was buried next to his love.

And all they had was that one bloody kiss?

Ain't that a crime!


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alexgeana
alexgeana

I've heard so many great things about this movie !!!

BinDereDunDat
BinDereDunDat

I don't buy it for a second. Why do people think J Edgar was some kind of celibate saint? They were a gay couple plain and simple. And one look at pictures of Clyde Tolson and you know whose cock was in whose mouth...

bsomers
bsomers

I am now convinced that Dustin Lance Black's only talent is his ass.  I cannot take a man with Justin Bieber's haircut seriously as an artist. 

Would love to know who really wrote the "Milk" screenplay.

Brando
Brando

No way, they were spankin each other off in the washroom behind scenes.

Carl Theodore Dreyer
Carl Theodore Dreyer

That fucking cocksucker tried to get me deported because I, unlike his pansy boyfriend, succeeded, emphasis on suck, to fuck the shit out of Dorothy Lamour...but then I heard Bing and Bob tipped that closet queen off.

Jonster
Jonster

"It seems like the film is using the extreme homophobia of the time to make a comment on how it tortured gays into the closet."  Splain it to me Lucy!  Great wrap-up. 

It reminds me of Larry King's question and your answer about pedophilia...and attacking the vulnerable.  So much of Hoover's time went into cementing his own job security by collecting as much dirt as he could.  The story I heard was that the Mafia taught Hoover to blackmail.  They had a pic of him that would have brought him down.  That's why Hoover never went after the Mafia and allowed them to grow all through his corrupt reign, saying there was no organized crime in America.  He sought the most shameful of secrets on others, secrets as "shameful" as he felt his own to be.  I almost don't want to see the movie because I find him a disgusting human being who was probably involved in some really nasty nasty things.

Diesel
Diesel

Yep, he was selectively evil and also took credit for some things he didn't even do. A real smarm. Bt naturally movies look for the sympathetic side--how they got that way. It would probably not be fun to sit through 2 and a half hrs about a total prick.

MSpeer
MSpeer

Hollywood just can't do it, can they? Why would they take on a story based on a gay relationship and purge it of its essence. I would bet that those two guys had some very good times together and given the times and their circumstances managed to have a life (regardless of what I think of their politics). And Jesus Christ, of course they kissed and had sex and did drag. Who doesn't? To make the whole thing tortured is looking at it from an outdated, incorrect perspective. Reminds me of Night and Day, that silly Cole Porter bio pic from the 40s. And yes, I have to go that far back to find something as stupidly wrong it its characterizations.

JEWISHPRINCESS0
JEWISHPRINCESS0

I loved Cole Porter ..his music will never be equaled. He was a genius. .The movie was more about the music and it was his life after all whatever he did. The movie was De Lovely.

Gregorama
Gregorama

That was ANOTHER rotten film about Cole Porter and, in my opinion, the very worst film "bio" of all time, bar none.  But they took great glee in making Porter out to be this confused, salacious queen.  When the film had him drop Alexander Woollcott off at "the Rambles" in a horse-drawn carriage, I thought I was going to spit food.  The low point of that film, however, was when they actually had the nerve to take a swipe at the earlier film, "Night and Day" and snigger at how awful it was.  The nerve.  Jesus, that movie ("Delovely") was fucking atrocious.  Atleast "Night and Day" had Cary Grant.

Gregorama
Gregorama

I do agree with your assessment, MSpeer...but unfortunately, one does not have to go all the way back to 1945 to find another film that candy-coats a gay figure to make him/her palatable to the "mainstream".  It's been the Hollywood norm from day one and continues that way to the present day---apparently (thanks to MM's excellent summary) also exemplified in "J. Edgar," too.  In fact, I think it would be easier to count the biographical Hollywood films about known, real-life gay persons that do NOT traffic in "de-fagging".

MSpeer
MSpeer

You are completely right. Probably more that we know.

Musto
Musto

Well, it seems like the film is using the extreme homophobia of the time to make a comment on how it tortured gays into the closet . But yeah, there should have been some sexual activity. Even tortured gays had sex!!

MSpeer
MSpeer

You better believe it. From my past there were the two Episcopal priests and one Greek Orthodox, not to mention the legions who frequented a notorious bookstore out on Rte 22 in Green Brook, NJ back in 1980-81.

Timmee
Timmee

Please, tortured gays have the hottest sex. Everybody knows that. It's the one thing guilt and shame are good for.

Victorherbert
Victorherbert

What do you want from Clint Eastwood although he's seems to be in the process of being anointed as the "Grand Old Man" of Hollywood.

Lear
Lear

Your summary sounds great. I wish that was the whole movie but it goes on for 2 hrs 20 mins.

Parnell
Parnell

OK. Leonardo DiCaprio wearing Judi Dench's dress??? This I gotta see.

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