Was The Stonewall Raid Based On Drugs And Booze, Not Homophobia?

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From the film "Stonewall Uprising"
That's what one of the commenters on this blog says.

The guy--whose father was a cop at Stonewall that night--says Dad was there as an undercover narc to bust a place filled with drugs and unlicensed booze.

I recently wrote that transsexual Marsha P. Johnson is thought by some historians to be the person who flung the first glass.

The commenter responds:

"Actually, this is true because my late father was the cop that was hit in the face with a glass, therefore starting what the gay community uses as their watershed moment.

"The fact of the matter is that Stonewall was a notorious drug den. My father, six years passed away, was an undercover narcotics officer at the time and personally bought thousands of dollars of drugs there over a six month time period as an undercover officer.

"Additionally, the place never had a liquor license, which was the real reason for the raids and were told after each raid to back off the bar by the higher-ups in city politics at the time.

"So while Musto and others write about how this was such a landmark for the gay community, perhaps they should know the real story behind what went on there.

"And while this post will no doubt be flamed (no pun intended), it is the truth. Which will no doubt be disputed by people most of whom weren't even alive when it happened.

"My father, before he died, was approached on numerous occasions by authors wanting to write the story, but my father backed out, knowing what a shitstorm would occur as a result."

Flame away, people!

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Isaac Ibn Tabul
Isaac Ibn Tabul

Your not buying this. And I'm not going to ether. He said that his father spent six months in the bar on this sting. Hum, sounds like daddy liked the companionship that he keep. The truth of the matter is, homopobia or any form of hate such as racism always has that ugly assert of superiority of one race over another. Why the sam hell are we gays still putting up with this bullshit in the land of the free. We have this person who allegedly states that his farther said. And the old man has been dead 6 years. What took you so long to iterate this your story? I'm old enough to remember these times very vividly. And Istill find every part of our gay repression then and today to be repulsive. We have moved for wards at a slow pace in the last few years. But it was for wards. Not back wards or at a stand still, like before. Open your eyes children. Look how the mawkish vermin attacked Mr Musto on his collective observation on our gay brothers and sisters who fear and hate us and Obama. When the GOP pulls the bottom totally out, you rich GOPROUDS will not be able to come out of your lily white ivory towers to have your fashionable brunchs. The down and out will come for any and all who that they think have. Isee it happening now. The trickle down system does not work. It's destabilized America. and the worst is yet to come. The Stonewall raid volcanized the gays. And so will this that is yet to come.

MarkyMark
MarkyMark

Yeah I've always assumed it was raided because the mob missed some payoffs. 

evita
evita

The anger at Stonewall in the gay and trans community was a culmination of treatment by law enforcement in general. It was not only about the specific day in question it was about a pattern of harassment and ill-treatment from those paid to protect.

mookindahouse
mookindahouse

"The fact of the matter is that Stonewall was a notorious drug den."

and all the clubs in NYC in the '60s-'70s weren't? gimme a break

Jqx5
Jqx5

And here I thought it was because the owners/mob forgot to give the cops the drop that week.  So they raided it.  Lesson:  Pay off the cops or else. 

Guest
Guest

Some fine NYPD mustaches in that photo. Although the officer facing us on the left would appear to be a drag king sporting a stick-on. 

latenitebump
latenitebump

not true. homophobia. no one i´ve ever met who´s been to stonewall ever mentioned drugs. plus, it was the 60ties. weren´t drugs a big part of the american culture by this time? plus, he never specified what kind of drugs? mary jane?plus, it wasn´t only stonewall; places they raided. my friend was telling me about raids in philadelphia. he said they had undercover cops in the bathhouses (sometimes completely butt naked. when you approached them he said. they reached down underneath the bed, showed you their badge, and said you´re under arrest. his words), etc. he told me: when any two men were caught touching--back then--lights went on, whistles blown, and everybody went in the paddy wagon; off to the police station. he said they had cops outside wating for ass, too.he never mentioned anything about drugs.plus, he told me which one of the original members of the village people who was always being arrested (in the bathhouse).i won´t mention any names. i love the gurls who were there, tho!

Driftwood09
Driftwood09

He doesn't seem to understand the two issues are not mutually exclusive. We have known for a longtime that gay bars at the time were run by underworld types. And if a raid for liquor licensing reasons why harass patrons? We made lemonade out of lemons and he sounds like sour "lemons".

Dominic Cloutier
Dominic Cloutier

This is not an argument against the validity of homosexual oppression.  WHY couldn't the Stonewall get a liquor license?  WHY did so many of the transgressive segments of the population feel they could conduct illicit business at the Stonewall?  WHY were cops spending six months or longer at this place?  WHY, for generations, have homosexuals turned to drugs, alcohol, and other means of escape from oppression?  WHY did we need a homosexual agenda anyway??  Oh yeah... ^ that's why.  This cop's son, from his filial loyalty and heterosexual paradigm, sees cause, where anyone who's experienced even the residual oppression can clearly see effect. 

Savannah Montgomery
Savannah Montgomery

Every revolution has a messy beginning...it had to start somewhere...and The Stonewall was not alone in the drugs/booze thing...it was just the one that got picked on...at the wrong moment.

Parvenu
Parvenu

So everything the entire gay movement is based on wasn't really an uprising against homophobia after all? Oh shit.

Whomps
Whomps

I'm not buying this. 

Findingnamo
Findingnamo

His "not intended" pun reveals the homophobia at work in his brain.

Steven Bourgeois
Steven Bourgeois

I don't buy it either.  If it were true, then why wouldn't it have come out at the time it happened?But, even if it were true, then what difference does it make?  What's important is what happened as a result.  And for that we can be grateful.

Connor Mykel Thompson
Connor Mykel Thompson

 It probably did - whether or not it's a claim of innocence on the police's part or a true statement is not my true concern in this instance. Frankly, Stonewall was a gay bar in the 60's... there was most likely a lot of drugs and yeah they probably didn't have a liquor license because they were afraid of drawing attention or being rejected by the city council. Anyway, the whole point of remembering Stonewall and memorializing that day was because drag queens, crossdressers, transpeople and the gay men who solicited Stonewall were harassed and often beaten by the policemen investigating these claims of drug and alcohol violations. If you were biologically male you had to wear at least three items of male clothing to avoid being arrested. Gay men were often arrested for "public indecency". This was more a moment of standing your ground against police brutality.

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