"Obama Actually Betrayed The Gay Marriage Cause"

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That's what one writer says.

Before you start screaming "foul" en route to resuming your gay-victory celebration, kindly check out the article by Roger Stone.

It makes some points.


"Once Gay Americans are through celebrating President Barack Obama's 'personal' support of Gay marriage equality, they will learn that Obama's 'evolution' changes nothing. Obama's new position is a bullshit cop-out.

"This comes on the heels of a cynical Obama campaign pirouette where Team Obama trotted out first Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, then Vice President 'Crazy' Joe Biden to say they support gay marriage and imply that the President would too--after the election.

"Now, incredibly, Obama says Gay marriage is a state issue. That's what they used to say about abortion and before that, slavery. Now the President says he believes that gay couples should be able to marry but he doesn't believe they have a right to do so. Obama would leave the question to the states--in other words--the status quo. This is like saying that public schools ought to be integrated but if the people of Mississippi disagree, well it's up to them.

"If Obama believes that marriage equality is a constitutionally guaranteed civil right, as former Governor Gary Johnson does, than it can't be abridged by the states. Forty-four states currently ban gay marriage. Under Obama millions of Americans in most states will continue be denied the right to marry the person of their choice.

"Obama's position is that, while he personally supports gay marriage, those 44 states are perfectly within their rights to arbitrarily restrict the access of certain individuals to marriage rights based solely on their sexual orientation.

"There are currently at least three cases winding their way toward federal courts that address the issue of whether the equal protection clause of the constitution guarantees gay men and women the same access to marriage rights as heterosexual men and women...

"Obama new position on Gay marriage undercuts the pro-marriage arguments in those cases.

"For Obama to declare that he considers North Carolina and other states' bans on gay marriage to be unconstitutional (which they are) would probably energize the Republican base. Team Obama knows that African Americans overwhelmingly oppose gay marriage equality and fear that a more sweeping forthright stand by the President might put Ohio, Colorado, North Carolina, and Virginia out of reach.

"Obama could take a lesson in leadership from Governor Andrew Cuomo who brought Republicans and Democrats together to make same-sex marriage legal in New York State. Instead Obama tries to have it both ways.

"Barack Obama is playing a cruel and cynical game with peoples lives and happiness. He did nothing to establish that gay marriage is a right yesterday."


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silverstein.larry03
silverstein.larry03

A QUEEN BECOMES A ROSE

The newly-crowned Rose of Tralee Maria Walsh has opened up about her sexuality and revealed that she is gay.

"VIBRATOR QUEEN": NOW THE ROSE OF TRALEE

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I guess for about ten bucks
And it came by special delivery
In a plain brown cardboard box
Well she opened it and inspected it
Well she went and dipped it in her Vaseline jar
And turned that sun-a-bitch on
Well she hummed and a wiggled, squirmed and giggled
Collapsed into utter pleasures

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She's in love with a machine
She swears it's the American dream
AC/DC try it and you'll see
It's guaranteed to make you cream in your jeans

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A 12 - inch wonder that the mailman had brought
But through her love she could not see,
What a terrible fate there was to be.
Well she found her answer to all of her dreams
In a battery operated Sex machine
Man nor beast could take it's place
She was destined to die with a smile on her face

She's a Vibrator Queen
She's in love with a machine
She swears it's the American dream
AC/DC try it and you'll see
It's guaranteed to make you cream in your jeans

One day while she was in the bath
She decided poorly,
To do her thing in the water
She paid no mind to that caution sign
That old AC current got her
Now people say, for miles around
They can still hear that dildo a hummin
But that's when I realized she can’t be dead
Hell! Her ass must still be cummin

She's a Vibrator Queen
She's in love with a machine
She swears it's the American dream
AC/DC try it and you'll see
It's guaranteed to make you cream in your jeans

She's a Vibrator Queen
She's in love with a machine
She swears it's the American dream
AC/DC try it and you'll see
It's guaranteed to make you cream in your jeans

hispanicmom
hispanicmom

Don't be confused. Homosexual marriage is not a "right" any more than it is a "right" for an adult to marry a minor because he/she "loves" him/her. 

To try to equate homosexual "marriage" to the civil rights movement is desperate and demeaning. 

Rodboy66
Rodboy66

We can dislike Stone all we want, but I actually agree with him that Obama's statement is a nice sentiment, but it stops far short of support.  Harry Truman had the balls to issue an executive order integrating the military; where was or is Obama's bold move?  LBJ was a tireless polecat pushing the Civil Rights legislation that had been languishing prior to JFK's assassination.  He didn't just say he "believed" in Civil Rights and stop there.  Those of you thinking Obama is going to take up this torch after he is reelected have short memories.  We have been promised the sun moon and stars by politicians since the 70's and there is a long history of our being ignored after election day.

VonD
VonD

I knew he would be FOR GAY MARRIAGE AGAIN since he was for before he was evolving on it before he was for it. BARACK OBAMA 2012! 

BTW, Mitt Romney announced down at antigay Unliberty University that he was against same-sex marriage and equality. 

exackerly
exackerly

I completely disagree. Obama's statement was huge. In a few years we'll look back and realize this was the biggest turning point in the fight for marriage equality. It's comparable to when LBJ said "we shall overcome".

And please remember guys, it wasn't all that long ago that even gay people weren't talking about marriage. This has all happened with incredible speed, and obviously there's lots more to come.

tommy
tommy

The endorsement is important becuase it helps delgitmize the political cover repubs have had to launch their veerbal abuse against us. Its not perfect, but it REALLY helps. It has a similar effect on foreign leaders whobseek to demonize us.

CMG
CMG

Roger Stone is one of the craziest if also the least trusting politicos.  

Plus I cannot take a man who gets a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back seriously.  

Southern Dave
Southern Dave

So he's fucked either way?

Welcome to Presidential Politics, 2012, as practiced by  Republican Repugnants, who'd be against Obama if Jesus Christ cane down from Heaven and endorsed him. ("BIg Deal. Where's God, The Father?")

You've got to laugh to keep from crying.

J S
J S

Okay, this is the plan.  This year, instead of pimping ourselves up for that Parade thingy, everyone in each state dress up in your best Diana Ross "Mahogany" costume and storm your state capitol (yes, the building, not the city).  It will be Stonewall all over again in 50 cities, 50 states (Puerto Rico, if you want to get in on the action, Ricky Martin will have his understudy perform on that Sunday).  The hell with civil disobedience, find the state legislators, drag them out of their churches or bars or country clubs, and make them listen.  Show them that "Hell hath no fury like a Drag Queen scorned," and then imprison them all in their state capitol until they undo their Legislated Hatred and Anti-Gay "Constitutional" [my ass] Amendments.

Let the rumpus begin!

Green Mountain Bear
Green Mountain Bear

Dollars fall from the sky and some people complain that they aren't twenties.

Monsieurpatric
Monsieurpatric

The President has changed the dynamics in play within the courts' levels of appeal.  This affects the final deliberations in the Proposition 8 deliberations.  It affects the upcoming widow Edith Windsor estate equity case.  It enriches the rights over benefits argument weighed by judges forwarding cases to the U.S. Supreme Court.  Mr. Obama utilized the bully pulpit in human and compelling fashion.  It's good to have the criticisms in the light of day but they in no way alter the sea change we witnessed yesterday.

Dink
Dink

Howard Stern has also jumped on the "Obama didn't go far enough" bandwagon.

Jonster
Jonster

Ha!  I appreciate the nod from the Prez, but seriously, what has changed?  He's late to the fair, and behind the times, but at least he said it.  As far as blacks being opposed to gay marriage, maybe we should say "male blacks" as both Coretta Scott King and Mildred Loving (a black woman who basically made it possible for Obama to be born an interracial child in this country) came out and supported gay marriage, only to be told to sit down and shut up by their black male pastors.   

latenitebump
latenitebump

the most dangerous man in america                              --the village voice 

about roger stone:played a key role in the election of: (drum roll please!)republican presidents from richard nixon to ronald reagan to george h.w. bush and george w. bush.

and OH! he chronicles men´s fashion.since 2009 his ten best and worst dressed list has been featured on the new york daily news.

anonTWO
anonTWO

Obama let down his core supporters, gay, straight, liberal and leftists alike by PANDERING  to the extreme right wing in order to be the POTUS in this country's entirety.

O played it safe in his first term and I'm not willing to give him a second chance, I am voting for a 3rd party candidate.

Shevmonster
Shevmonster

the writer is the kind of idiot who just aggravates everyone and destroys our community's ability to move forward by never being satisfied with anything.  Obama has been extremely brave to stand up for our rights. 

Haveityourway
Haveityourway

So,that means if the "State" voted to stop Gays from voting,that would be their decision and he would have nothing to do with it. I'm just sayin..

latenitebump
latenitebump

yes! coming from a man who´s proud to sit down with reagan and have his picture taken with nixon!

Raposo
Raposo

"A cruel and cynical game"? Really?

Roisters
Roisters

He DOES make some points. But it was still a step forward for Obama to say he supports it, and the author should have acknowledged that.

Monsieurpatric
Monsieurpatric

I'm told if you hold your breath long enough you can add an i,q, point.

corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

That's nutty. You mention an executive order of Truman's. There is no executive order for marriage equality. Anyone can see there is not chance of Congress doing anything on marriage equality no matter what Obama does. Congress won't even get rid of tax cuts for the rich. And Obama has done a lot, substantively, for glbt rights.

Why don't you tell us what national politician who attained office has _ever_ pleased you. Because there is not one who could possibly ever have come close to your unrealistic standards.

Assuming you're not a Romeny troll, of course.

Rodboy66
Rodboy66

Please take him seriously.  A lot of people didn't take Hitler or Sarah Palin seriously and look how far they got and what kind of influence they ended up having.

Jcrain
Jcrain

Not surprisingly, the Washington Post uncovered proof that Romney had been a major homophobic bully in high school. But fine, since Obama's the Great Betrayer, let's vote him out. Bring back war and the rest of the Dubya policies, now!

corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

That's because this writer in question is metaphorically, and perhaps literally, opposed to paper currency altogether. He's not really complaining about the denomination....

I see no need to listen to him.

If there are people on the left who have legitimate questions or reservations and can articulate them sensibly then that's different.

latenitebump
latenitebump

stop the generalization!rev. al sarpton praised the president! rev. jesse jackson praised the president.russell simmons--hip hop mogul--praised the president! john legend praised the president. all black males! south africa--a black male nation--has gay marriages! sanctioned by a black male."this isn´t a wedge issue for blacks with obamas, no matter how much the media would like it to be. at the end of the day, blacks aren´t confused about what canidate is best for them." end quote.GLAAD today issued a press release highlighting a variety of different latino and black clergy who support same sex marriage.

Timmee
Timmee

Late Nite makes a great point. While Stone has a cogent argument, I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him. He's as ring-wing partisan as they come.

VonD
VonD

Google Roger Stone. He's a very dangerous, right-wing enabling nut. That Michael Musto is even citing him is sickening.

corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

In other words, you're a Mittens supporter who is a bad liar and makes piss poor, pretend "far left" arguments.

JosephAlslop
JosephAlslop

Roger Stone is a right-wing operative who allegedly helped take down Eliot Spitzer, right? And he also helped put anti-gay idiot George W. Bush in office, right?

Just Google his name; he's a very, very nasty character who's done quite a bit to harm gay people.

Rodboy66
Rodboy66

People have to pass some sort of litmus test of being sufficiently leftist in order to make a valid point?  Filtering your sources of information to only those that think like you is "group think." (Look it up on wikipedia if you are not familiar with the idea). That sort of biased information gathering is what is driving both our major parties increasing polarization.  Neither side wants to give a damn inch and neither will engage in any sort of dialogue.

kcarb1025
kcarb1025

As it pertains to this discussion, it does not matter what kind of nut he may or not be. On this particular point, he is correct. Just as broken clocks are twice a day.

Rodboy66
Rodboy66

Didn't like the guy's point so you attacked him personally.  Wow, how original.  I voted for O the first time, but probably won't the second time.  Not everyone is a single issue voter.  While I dislike Romney's stance on a lot of things, I can say the same of Obama. 

anonTWO
anonTWO

 EXACTLY. You know me so well!

corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

We, but apparently not you, know about the source of this argument.

I said if there's a reasonable critique from the left then that is of interest. If the critique is coming from a right wing operative who has been wrong on everything his entire life and who is suddenly complaining that Obama is not sufficiently left wing then that's a Mittens shill.

Rodboy66
Rodboy66

 Amen, Kcarb.  Thank you.

corrective_unconscious
corrective_unconscious

I suggested everything the poster said was right wing swill while he presents himself as - what? - a Nader voter?

The funny thing about third party candidate voters in national politicians is that they can't even figure out that we have a winner take all system. They can't even figure out why that would be relevant to their third party voters.

By the way, name calling is under-rated.

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