Greenwich Village McDonald's Beating Updates; Ronald Responds

• I bet the ladies learned how to act. That ass whooping was thorough. I do not condone men beating women but I do support defending yourself.

• I cannot imagine how any rational person can watch this video and have any negative thing to say about this guy. He was being pursued by two animalistic acting people who had already attacked him. He had retreated at least 15, maybe 20 feet away and the two lunatics had already jumped over the counter to finish attacking him. Now, wrongheaded politically correct observers want to play Monday morning quarterback, and dictate how much or how little force the guy should have used to defend himself. These idiots could have had knives. He was right. Leave him alone.

• Okay.... He has a history, but again he did his time. McDonald's hires an ex-con but doesn't know about...highly unlikely. No, they faulted in assuming that ex-cons, who have been force to live a "Survival of the Fittest" life for god knows how many years, can re-enter society as easy as pie....BS. Any company that hires an ex-con should be responsible enough to have a sort of mentoring program established to address the "con's" personal, emotional, and social issues. He over reacted in the wooping the to idiots even after they were clearly overwhelmed, but those two dumbasses got what they were giving x a metal rod.

• Hey Rayon has been ACQUITTED. Charges dropped because he acted in self-defense!! He's release from jail and plan to sue MacDonald's for not having adequate security. He SHOULD also file civil lawsuits against both assailants. I'll be he'll win, too. Thanks to whoever had that camera video!!!!!!!!!!!!

• The employee acted in self defense. Those two black lesbian bitches thought they were men and jumped over the counter to assault him. I understand of the them spit on him. That in its self deserves a ass kicking. He acted in self defense and gave those men bitches a good ass kicking. Hooray for him. I bet those bitches will think twice about ever doing that again. Those dykes should be prosecuted.

• Okay, McDonald's - From now on you'll be "screening your employees a little more carefully" - looking for what? People who don't mind getting their ass kicked on account of keeping you from being sued? Corporations are disgusting rats who don't give a damn about their employees safety. Scumbags!

• Fat girls can still pack a punch.. Ever heard of "putting your weight into it"? And those girls still continued to come at him.

• I agree with what you just said.....uhh, in reply to yourself.

• The policy of every McDonalds I've been to since I've been able to read the placard at the drive through window has been "No Bills Over $20 Accepted". While that may have changed at some point I still haven't seen any visual reference to the contrary at McDonalds so if I were going there for lunch today with a $50 bill I would be considering it a favor that they even took it at all. And if they've decided to change the policy there should be an automatic understanding from customers that the reason they weren't taking $50 and bigger before is because they get counterfeit bills in those denominations and should be prepared to have them verified. It happens at clubs, bars, liquor stores, all over the place so I don't see how this would cause such a reaction. Makes me want to know whether or not that bill turned out to be legitimate.

• I disagree. A police officer would have tased these two right after he got slapped. He wouldn't have been backing up still counting to 10 and figuring out what he was going to do while two bitches hopped the hood of his squad car once he'd gone to the other side of it. And it would have taken I.A. about 10 minutes of reading the case file to get him back to work. As I said before the only difference would have been that these chicks would never have gotten the chance to "pursue" the officer anywhere and once they were down and doing the funky chicken with a couple million volts in them there'd have been no getting up and thus no need to keep them down later. And it would have been exactly what he should have done. That's the problem with keeping the public docile and less formidable than the crooks. When it comes time to deal with the crooks now, in order to do it you've got to overdo it.

• +1. Raised by that same generation and evidently part of the last generation that understands this.

• A cop that got attacked and pursued would have tazed these two women, and went back on the job after the investigation. And frankly, I wouldn't have lost a moment's worth of sleep over it, had it been the result of an unprovoked attack like this was. Had this guy had a taser or stun gun there wouldn't be caved in heads right now. They'd have gone down and stayed down, just like they would have if he was a cop. So, no. Nobody except eternal victims would be calling for his badge. The rest of us don't do that unless he's the one who introduced the violence. A trained fighter could have broken these women's arms, legs, or necks with 1-2 moves. That's neutralizing the attacker too. I wonder if that would be excessive as well to you despite him stopping when they stayed down and not "continuing to use force"?

• Bitch you can shut up next. Nothing "ghetto" about following corporate rules about $50 bills at McDonalds dumdum. As a matter of fact, they were doing these two idiots a favor taking the bill in the first place since the goddamned sign at every McDonalds drive-through says "Bills over $20 not accepted" in plain English. I can't imagine kooks like you and Lisa up there have those "real jobs" you're talking about either when you've seen those signs yourselves and plainly don't get what the hell they mean. I'm a small woman. I've got enough common sense to know that once I put my hands on anyone, male or female and I cannot handle them physically, I am from that point on , on their good graces. I have no right to expect them to show me any mercy or consideration because I have already thumbed my nose at their expectations of same. And if I am stupid enough to try to take the fight to them further? LOL. This is only tragic because this man's fellow employees were cowards and their employer clearly has no concerns whatsoever about the right of its employees to a safe working environment. Had this been two muscled up Black gangsters hopping the counter and getting fucked up by a white employee with a pipe, it would be a whole different story too, and nobody would be saying shit about what "had happened" in the past. None of you would be defending the attackers and condemning the victimized employee. So glad to neither be American nor born in this generation brainwashed by official philosophies in school and government that breed victims. This country is full of shit.

• I can't say I made a bet as to the race of the perpetrators no. But I'm sure you made a bet on the race of the victim didn't you? And you lost that bet too, didn't you? You numb shithead.

• That's what they get. I've seen some lesbians, not all but some of them want to be a man and think that a man won"t knock them out. Moral of the story watch your mouth and stay in your place.

• Years ago, I was a cashier at McDonalds. That's one food chain that will NEVER go out of business. Your comment reveals either your frustration or illiteracy. Few comments on this site express that typically "McDonald's cashiers are heartless and can't contain their anger" as you've sarcastically remarked. I don't blame MACINTOSH for knocking those 2 thugs with the iron pipe. After being slapped, he still did NOT defend himself. It's ONLY when they jumped the counter and advanced towards him that he had to stop BOTH thugs in their tracks. Who knows? They could've had a gun or knife. Really he may have SAVED the lives of customers and fellow employees. He was in a rare and dangerous situation. After being slapped and NOT doing anything did he defend himself.  I don't fault him or McDonalds.

• "​The moral of the story: Watch out what you say or do to McDonald's cashiers." Yeah, Because all McDonald's cashiers are heartless and can't contain their anger. That's gotta be it. Idiot.

• As a female, I deplore violence except in self defense. Once thug#1 slapped him, he should've slapped her back! Once thug#2 jumped the counter and both pursued him, he had every right to defend himself. Even after they were beaten to the floor, I would've continued beating BOTH of them far longer than Ryan did. This vid is not about race but age, gender and respect. Young folks often forget that in a heated argument, the adult is THINKING ahead while the youngster is still TALKING. This explains why 1 older adult was able to hospitalize 2 younger customers. Years ago, something similar occured with my teenaged co-worker after a rival football game. During the game, my teenage co-worker (L.A. gangsta type) decided to make a series of loud, lewd jokes at an older, overweight woman as she walked past. Much later after the game was over and with local media present, the teenager got a royal beatdown by a man well into his 50's (apparently the older woman's husband). The teen was body-slammed headfirst into the pavement. The incident aired locally. The teen was so embarassed, he didn't filed charges. Instead, he paid his own medical bill and moved out of state. Moral of the story for anyone, don't start a fight you can't finish!

• As a female, I deplore violence except in self-defense. If you pay careful attention to the first few seconds (in some versions of the vid), Ryan is in a HEATED argument with the 2 customers. As a cashier, I know dealing with money and angry customers is a VERY tricky art. Don't know what he said, but one got so mad she slapped him. The other jumped the counter. As this point, Ryan had every right to defend himself. As an older Black female, I can tell you this vid is NOT about race. It's about gender, age and respect. Young blacks imitate the characters they see in entertainment: Black females imitate Tyler Perry's Madea and Black males imitate gangster rap music lyrics. What parents need to remind their kids is that in a heated situation, the adult is THINKING ahead while the younster is still TALKING!!! This explains why one older Black man was able to hospitalize 2 youngsters. Sidenote: I believe the screaming, blonde White female was a fake. Note how she keeps screaming, talking, looking around, then returning to watch Ryan beat the 2 females.

• I bet at some point she thought.."wait a minute,I'm not really a man".WOW!!

• couldn't have said it better myself,you go boy!

• screw that,I would have beat those b*****S down too!

• What you nimrods fail to understand is the shooting was an accident.He did time because he shouldn't have had the gun and he was too poor to get adequate legal representation.they were  playing with a gun and it went off,killing his friend.Get your facts straight.

• Go to the facebook page for Free Ryan McIntosh!  Ask Angus if you have any questions...

• I truly doubt that!  Not with all the media attention and people involved who feel this is self defense...Let's see how this plays out....Check out the Free Ryan McIntosh facebook page.....

• I believe the only one learning a lesson is the one who smacked him. As for Rachel Edwards she still has alot to learn.  Her idle threats finally got her what she deserved.  A person like that just does not seem to learn from anything.  I won't be surprised if she gets into something else, she seems like the type based on the video....Hopefully Mr. McIntosh will be out of jail and home with his family like the two beast are home in their comfortable and warm environment.  Where is their jail time?  Assault and Battery...Free Ryan McIntosh....God can only help those two unruly idiots who feel they can beat the world.  Guess you walked down the wrong alley way this trip.  What's behind door number 3?  An AssWhooping of your life.....Well like Tupac said "All Eyez on You"  Guess they believe Mr. McIntosh should not have been employed at the Mikey D's and he was in the wrong for doing his job....Not that they were possibly intoxicated, yelling insults, cursing, being aggressive and violent....No we are wrong and they are 100% right....Carry On!!!

• I guess you didn't notice them try to get up.  The inhumanity is in you that you expect a man to  take a beating.  Somehow he is supposed to know---you preume that they were just going to slap him around and not stick a knife into him---that they aren't going to kill him.   He is a man not a slave. So, they weren't going to use a weapon? They weren't going to knock him down and kick his head?  We do not know what they would have done to him but we know by their actions it would have been no suprize if they had killed him. They deserve about 5 years in prison.  he deserves a medal.

• Not true. He ran into the back and they came after him into the little aisle.  You are presuming there was some back door.  And, you are also presuming that he could calculate that he was faster, but they were moving pretty fast.  They could have caught him in the back near all that equipment.  I would have been terrified to have two people obviously out to commit a felonous act of violence on me.  Ask yourself what would run through your head?  Why wouuld those two come after him like that?  Makes me wonder if this was a hit that was unrelated to their visit to McDonalds.  Otherwise why in the world would they act with  such aggression?  And, if was not related to something outsdie McDonalds then they attacked him with obvious intent to do serious bodily harm.  What if he slipped?  What struck me was it appeared that the first woman that was comingn down the asile in the McDonalds---a tiny aisle with hot and dangerous things all over---did not appear to stop until she got a good hit.  This was justified.  You probably think because he was a man or lowly McDonalds employhee that he should have to take a beating that may have done seriously bodily harm. When that day comes we have slavery again.  He is a man with rights.  A man with rights.  The Occupy movement should see that this is another example of corporate slavery when a man is supposed to take a beating---he did the right thing.  And, what is shocking is that you think he did not have the right to keep them down.  He did.  They were detained from a felonouss attack.  He was under a physical threat.  He had the right to demand they stay down.  He is a not slave but a man.

• David... Re-read my post moron. Right in there it says we did not find out if it was counterfeit as they assaulted the cashier before we were able to find out. Actually in response to EVERYTHING you said... Re-read my post, try to utilize just a small portion of your brain... Oh and yes dumbass, a slap is still an assault. It is a simple assault, yet is an assault. Women or man... Someone strikes you, you have the right to defend yourself. Once they jump over the counter the simple assault becomes more aggravated as now they are trying to escalate it into other areas of the law. I could tell you what areas, but judging by your post you are too stupid for me to waste my time discussing this with.

• They definitely got what they deserved. Get drunk, act stupid, assault somebody needlessly, then be prepared to get your arse whipped! I hope the system will let him off and someone hires him, with more pay and a more respectable job.

• I glad you are for males getting attacked. 

• What would have made him snap. How about being attacked and cussed out. To suggest that a crying child wo make him snap is unfounded . I hope if you are ever attacked you just take ,  since you know if you fight back you are in the wrong .

• You are sexist as hell. Do you know what flanking is, this means you surround a target so he can not escape.The cashier was flanked. While he was walking away he was stopped by one of them from the side and the other one got him from the front. I bet if the Cashier cashed a girl you would support anything they did to protect themselves.  You know women do kill people .

• NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  They ran after him.  They deserve to be 6 feet under.

• When someone hits you first, all bets are off.  Like if someone breaks down your front door, you have every right to shoot them.  If someone tries to get in your car, you can run them over, etc.  I feel bad for this guy.  But I dont feel bad for them.  They have a lesson learned in life.  They wont fuck with no one any more.

• Where is the fat white bitch who was screaming?  I seriously want to talk some sense into her!

• Yes, McDonald will consider your email by re-hiring him.  You are a funny person.

• How do you know that they know that the $50 was counterfeit?  Besides, it was not indicated anywhere in the news that it was counterfeit. Further, If I own a counterfeit $50 bill, It doesn't mean I manufactured it.  Where's your brain?  If I did manufacture it, I know it's a felony, even a child knows that.  How do you assume that they entered with the intent to commit a crime?  Don't assume imaginary things, otherwise you will be consumed with doubts all your entire life.  And the cashier was assaulted?  How?  They beat him up with a golf club?  A woman slapped him with an open hand, not a fist.  Physical assault always entails some injury.  Was he injured?  He probably was embarrassed in front of other customers, so to prove his "masculinity," he shoved way,not a man, but a girl.  Again, you keep assuming that maybe, maybe, maybe they wanted to take money from the cash register (which doesn't open like a drawer, you have to enter a code).  And they, maybe, maybe, maybe wanted to commit another felony, where there was no prior felony.  You amaze me as a very narrow-minded person who like to argue and argue and argue just to win an argument.  You make me sick.  Go get some education.

• Mohammed, You have a weird sense of reality. Let's see... She called him a "Bitch ass nigger", a "mexican", repeatedly said "Fuck you", "F--k you — I hope you get deported. Your mother's a b--ch", said to his manager "Oh, you want to fight". So, based on all that once she slapped him and jumped the counter it is a safe assumption that her intention was bodily harm. And calling these ghetto bitches, two young women is offensive to young women. So get it straight Med...

• If I were him and I was slapped by a woman, I must have said something rude to the woman, otherwise why would she slap me?  Let's say she slapped me just because I said I wanted to scan or verify the $50.  Fine, I'll take a slap from a woman, it wouldn't hurt (unless I am a pussy, which I think he is,) and I would control myself by not shoving her away.  I'll go to my manager and explain to him or her the situation.  The manager will then come to the counter and deal with the problem.  But this cashier has a criminal mind.  He chose to ignore that he has a boss. He wanted to escalate the argument into a fight which would satisfy his killer instinct and give his ego a sense of heroism (even over two young women).  Shame on him.

• Correction: like => likes

• Give him a job, but make sure there no metal pipes around him.  It seems he like to practice golf on human skulls.

• Mohammed... Yeah you got it, I don't know what legal provocation is. Yes I did paste it from Wikipedia, and... Is that not the correct definition? No, it is the correct definition. Oh so they were robbing the place of food? He has the right to defend his workplace. He was not chased? Wait, thank god he had the ability to watch the tape over and over again. Are you listening to your self. Try to see it through his eyes. You just got slapped, and now one person is jumping the counter and the other is coming through the other entry point. Oh and by the way I did not see anyone try to grab a sandwich. Yeah, he should stop and think... "OH maybe they just want to steal a sandwich." Are you serious.

• You keep repeating the same scenario.  Is this the only scenario that could think of?  I answered your scenario somewhere on this blog.

• I don't think that you understand what legal provocation is.  You just copied and pasted from Wikipedia.  You said, he 'lost control..."  This will be against him in court.  Also you said,"...what he viewed as a serious threat..."  What did he view?  He saw no guns, no knives, no nothing.  This will also be against him in court.  You also said, "he was assaulted and chased".  What kind of assault?  Slapping on the face by a woman?  This is ridiculous.  Also he was not chased.  The video shows they were grabbing some sandwiches, while he went to the back of the kitchen to grab the metal pipe.  He could have warned them before hitting them; they could have retreated.  This is also against him in court.  Nice try.

• Oh and Mohammed... Passing a counterfeit bill is a felony under federal law. And robbery is a felony as well.

• David, If they did indeed pass a counterfeit $50.00 they did enter with intent to commit a crime, in fact a felony under Federal law. We don't know if it was real or fake as the cashier was assaulted before he was able to check. And just correct you...  Castle laws may extend to a workplace, car, or other residence where the occupant is legally and the intruder is illegally. Once they hop the counter they are there illegally in McDonald's. In fact how does he know they are not jumping the counter to take money from the registers or steal food. So, they may also have been in the process of committing yet another felony. And I love the do you have a kid argument... My child would never act like an animal and would never use force unless it was a last alternative. And if he just slapped someone and jumped the counter at someones place of business he is asking for whatever he receives.

• Mohammed, Thanks and I understand what Legal Provocation is. But let's examine that... In criminal law, provocation is a possible defense by excuse or exculpation alleging a sudden or temporary loss of control (a permanent loss of control is in the realm of insanity) as a response to another's provocative conduct sufficient to justify an acquittal, a mitigated sentence or a conviction for a lesser charge. Provocation can be a relevant factor in a court's assessment of a defendant's mens rea, intention, or state of mind, at the time of an act of which the defendant is accused. OK, so you are at work and a customer passes you what looks like a phony bill. You say I need to scan this to insure it is real. Some words are exchanged and the slaps you in the face and jumps over a counter top with his buddy. You have a split second to make a judgment. Now remember in a matter of 5 seconds you have been slapped and two people, 1 of which just assaulted you, jump the counter to come after you... Are you thinking, "do these two people have weapons?" Or are you thinking, "I am outnumbered and need to protect myself!". Right the second one. It is not like he was slapped, he walked to the back and grabbed a weapon came up front and challenged the people to jump the counter. He was slapped, they jumped the counter, he ran to find something to protect himself and utilized it. Ok, so as it pertains to Legal Provocation, he was provoked, and for a temporary period of time lost control in order to protect what he viewed as a serious threat... Remember he was assaulted, and chased. Let's look at another possible scenario... You are walking down the street, someone comes up from behind and punches you in the head, you run, they chase you. You pick up a 2x4 on the street and beat the assailant senseless. Is a jury going to hold you liable? No, you were attacked and chased. The intention was to hurt you. If the women did not jump the counter and he did what he did, felony assault. But they chased him, self defense.

• Ashy Larry, let's say you are in a bar, and the bartender says something which hurts your feeling, and you slap him on the face, and then he shoves you away, causing you to fall down from your chair. You get angry, and you go around the bar and enter his territory for the purpose of smacking him. He sees no weapon in your hand nor does he see you reaching into your pocket.  Suddenly, he breaks a whiskey bottle and stabs you with it on the neck, just before you had a chance to smack him, fearing that you may be carrying a gun. And you die from your stab wounds (God forbid.)  If there were twenty witnesses in the bar at that time and all of them testified and told the court exactly what happened, do you think the bartender will be acquitted on the basis of self defense?  I don't think so, because he has to prove to the court and to the jurors what is called "legal provocation," meaning that he must prove that he was in a position in which not using self-defense would most likely lead to his death or serious injury.  There was nothing visible to the bartender (a gun, knife, dagger, crowbar, etc.) to prove legal provocation.  Just "feeling," or "thinking," or "fearing" that you may be carrying a gun or any other weapon, is not a compelling evidence, neither to the prosecutor nor to the jury.

• Hi, Im a corporate majority owner and would definitely give this gentleman a job. He not only diffussed a terrible situation but he save everyone in the process. These thug women could have shot someone or have come back to seek revenge in a negative way. Lets be real people we can no longer turn the other cheek on threats of violence. American we have become to weak. Mc donalds shame on you.

• Mohammed, He does not have to retreat... He belongs behind the counter, the two customers do not. This is very simple case of self defense. He was assaulted, and then the assailant jumped over a counter and went after him further. He simply incapacitated the assailant and insured no one else would be assaulted and no one else was in danger. 

•  Wait, did you say I am racist and hate black women?? Oh, I see... You are on of those folks who always try to make things an issue of race. You know one of those folks that keep collecting food stamps in their Gucci purse, and then complain about how their situation is EVERYONE ELSES fault. This is racist and that is racist. And no I did not enjoy seeing her get beaten, but she is the catalyst for the entire issue. Even if he insulted her, she assaulted him and jumped the counter in an aggressive threatening manner. She could have easily turned and walked away.

• I hope you will not be one of the 12 jurors because the other 11 will be laughing at you.

• u must live under a rock or something because police use lethal force whenever they feel their life are in danger. how do you know these two animals didn't have a weapon. shit there a whole bunch of objects behind the counter they could have used as weapons, its a freaking kitchen with hot grease all around. they already assaulted you, and now they chasing you down. self defense case closed...i hope they pick jurors that believe in self defense not asshole who support bullying other people while they are trying to make a decent living.

• In a police station, there are several policemen who can subdue you and your buddy and arrest you.  They will not shoot you just because you jumped over the counter and chased that cop whom you dislike, unless you pull a gun or any other dangerous weapon. Nice try. 

• quick scenario...so i'm at the police station, i don't like what the cop behind the counter is telling me, i smack him across his face and then my buddy and i jump up over the counter chasing after him....imagine that outcome!!! n yes it would be justified!

• quick scenario...so i'm at the police station, i don't like what the cop behind the counter is telling me, i smack him across his face and then my buddy and i jump up over the counter chasing after him....imagine that outcome!!! n yes it would be justified!

• What the cashier did is classified as felony.  He will go to jail, guaranteed.  At least 8 years, if he is lucky.  If one of the women died during the beating, or while in hospital, jail time would be 20 to 30 years.  Prosecutors are not stupid.  The video is very clear.  He could have retreated from the back door to avoid trouble, but he chose to come back with a murder weapon and beat those two young women savagely.  It looked like he was attempting to exterminate two rodents running loose on the kitchen floor.  It was apparent from the video that he wanted to finish them, but it seems other employees' requests for him to stop have curbed his killing instinct.

• Congratulations, you sure are a very educated man.  And impolite too.

• Oh my dear god. I, like many others have worked at McDONALD'S, they do have you take class on situations. They also have an office in the back that locks from the inside. This was nothing short of criminal. I hope the rest of you don't have to be beaten mercilessly to figure that out, but if it does just know your comments here will be there to get your attacker off. Bravo

• You are a white person, a racist, disguised as Donnell Rawlings (Ashy Larry).  I say racist because it seems you enjoy seeing black women being beaten to death.  You hate black women.  If the women were white, you would find the cashier criminal number ONE.

• First of all, this is a public place, not someone's home. Also, they did not enter with the intent to commit a crime (not from video). A fight broke out, and yes they instigated it. It not burglary, and the "castle doctrine" does not apply. Do you have a kid? If he or she picks a stupid fight, do you want someone to beat their skull with a crowbar? And a man beating a women? maybe he should have had his head beaten by the dad of the teenager he murdered. Follow this case, he is going to PRISON.

• How do you know they are bitches?  How do you know that the cashier didn't insult the woman before she slapped him?  You were not there. And what's wrong with being fat?  You should realize that the court will not buy an argument like, "I thought they were going to kill me", or "I thought they may be carrying weapons, that's why I beat them so badly to protect myself."  Too bad, he'll be going back to his old cell.

• Lisa, everyone can see that... But unless you are the one who was just assaulted and threatened when two fat bitches jump the counter, you cannot say it is overkill. His thought, as my thought would be, is I need top protect myself and insure these criminals cannot use a weapon on me or my co-workers.

•  Samira, Did not say I went to Law School... Reread... I said I went to school for law... Translation, which I should have been more clear, I studied law at school. As an elective as I pointed out already... No school I went to was THE UNIVERSITY of NONYA

• The cashier wasn't retreating, he went to retrieve a weapon. The girls surely messed up, but a lot of people are missing the overkill involved. Watch the workers near the end of the video who try to talk to him, at about :55, they try to take the weapon away from him, but they shrink back for fear he might attack them. This is going to hurt him. If they were trying to take the weapon away from him, they obviously didn't believe he was in danger, no one else there thought he was in danger. Watch the video three or four times, and you will see that.

• So you have a BS (bachelor of Science) and an MBA (Master's in Business Administration).  Now, law is an art.  It's neither a science nor a business.  Before, you said you went to a law school.  Oh, I see, maybe you flunked in the law school, then switched to other disciplines.  Where did you get your BS and MBA from?  University of Shitoclovakia?

•  Nope, not a lawyer... Studied law extensively as what we, who go to college, call electives. Also, if you look up all of big words that I told you to look up you might learn how not to look so stupid when arguing with someone about law.

• HAHAHA fake degrees... Scholarship paid for my BS and work paid for my MBA. Fully accredited moron. You probably would not have even gotten into school if it was not for affirmative action. Slammed!

• Did you study online?  How much did you pay for those fake degrees?

• You are a lawyer?  Then go and represent him in court.  The prosecution, the judge, the jurors, and even the people attending the trial will be laughing at you.

• HAHAHAHA... Right. No you will no longer speak to me because you realize that your point is absolutely ridiculous and holds no legal relevance. I have a BS and a Masters degree. Which half of high school did I not finish?

• It does not matter what happens after the assault!!!!! The assault occurred and they immediately jumped over the counter. OMG you are irritating. The cashier does not have time to reason and try to figure out what might happen. He has to defend himself against the person who just ASSAULTED him. He also has a right to use force to defend property. Once they jumped the counter he has the right to defend that property as the animals had no right to be on that side of the register. BOISTEROUS in their behavior? a : noisily turbulent : rowdy b : marked by or expressive of exuberance and high spirit. The above definition is what you argue the girls were. They were violent and aggressive and criminal in their behavior. He belongs behind the counter he does not have to flee. They do not belong there he has a right to defend that space.

• I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you because you sound like you haven't completed half of high school.

• I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you because you sound like you haven't completed half of high school.

•  Actually you are wrong... Are you a lawyer? Have you gone to school for law? No, ok then shut your pie hole, because I have. Where your big issue is that I do not have to wait to be shot to think that I may be shot. I do not have to wait to be stabbed to think that I may be stabbed. What he did was justifiable, as a "slap", as small as you may think that is, is assault. Look that word up too, while you are examining the various items I have told you to look up. Jumping the counter is aggressive and makes the aggressor culpable for what occurred. Had she not slapped him or jumped the counter and approached him, NONE of this would have happened. That makes her the catalyst for all of the results that took place.

• Nobody is saying that the girls were right in what they did.  They were boisterous in their behavior.  But they didn't assault him after jumping up the counter.  The assault (slapping) occurred only once in front of the counter, and he shoved the woman away.  They were trying to grab some food after they jumped up the counter.  If he were afraid they could be armed and dangerous, he could have walked away from the back door rather coming back with a metal pipe and beating them with excessive force as if we was trying to kill a couple of rodents.

• You clearly do not understand the law...  Why don't you look up the legal term causation? What the girls did was the cause of their own demise. You keep saying he could have this and he could have that... HE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO!!! He was at work trying to earn a living and the girls assaulted him. He has every right to defend himself by any mean necessary. Go read what statute? Why don't you specify since you know the law so well. Why don't you also look up self defense? "one must prove legal provocation, meaning that one must prove that he was in a position in which not using self-defense would most likely lead to death or serious injuries." Two people approaching him who have already assaulted him provides legal provocation as does defending other employees who were in the back as well. You've been LAWYERED

• The women were trying to get up to escape because he was beating them non-stop. Your legal term of "causation" is not applicable in this case.  If a guy slaps me on the face or punches me out of anger, and I happen to carry a gun, does it mean I have to shoot that guy?  You respond to slaps with slaps and punches with punches.  Only when you see the other guy trying to retrieve a knife or a gun from his pocket, then shooting him before he shoots you is considered self defense.  Shooting a person on the basis of "thinking" or "assuming" that he may be carrying a weapon is not an acceptable argument in a court of law.  It is considered a felony of the second degree, not self defense.  You need to read more about the law, not just causation and reaction.

• You can argue without calling names and insulting my intelligence.  You are free to your own opinion as I am.  I watched the video ten times before I made my post. The only punches the women served occurred before they jumped the counter (and by the way, it was a slap across the employee's face, to which he immediately shoved back.)  Once they jumped the counter, they were trying to grab food.  At that point, he proceeded to hit them with a weapon, knocking them both to the floor. He continued to beat them while they were on the ground, even when they tried to get up and escape. Hence the broken bone, bruises, fractured skull, etc.  He wasn't cornered.  Every restaurant has a back door for fire safety and garbage disposal reasons. I'm pretty sure if you go visit this exact McDonald's, you will find that the employee had a way out through the back if he actually wanted to escape.  According to the law, he did not show enough restraint. I know it's easy to look at this emotionally, but that is the entire problem. He had a chance to fully retreat and he did not. He used a deadly force instead of simple physical force.  He screwed up.  He had no right to order them to stay down. Go read the actual statute before calling these girls animals.  He will definitely go back to his previous quarters.

• George, my understanding is that the women kept trying to get up which is why he kept beating them. There was inherent danger, as the assault had already occurred making him feel threatened and of the defensive. Here is what the jury must consider... There is a legal term called causation. Causation is the "causal relationship between conduct and result". What caused the action that the defendant is being held responsible for. Well an assault and trespassing caused the action. So was his reaction due to the plaintiffs initial actions, yes. Now the jury has to consider was he justified in reacting that way. I cannot see how they would not find that he is. He was already assaulted which means he feared further bodily harm from the assailants. He also may have thought that someone who is willing to assault him and then jump a counter may very well be carrying a weapon. So he decided to incapacitate them to avoid any further conflict. 

• The girls could have walked away instead of assaulting him and jumping the counter like a bunch of rabid dogs.

• 123Samira, wow what a shock that you are playing the race card. Your intelligence shows exactly why you would play the race card. This is not an issue of black vs white so stop being so ignorant. If 2 white girls slapped him in the face and then jumped over a counter I would be saying the same exact thing. You are probably defending these two animals because you act the same exact way as them. You think that you can just assault people when you do not like what is being said. Just like he could have walked away after being slapped (which is assault my ignorant moronic friend), they could have walked away if they did not like what insults he was saying. You are a hypocrite and an ignorant one at that.

• First, you have no right to call these women stupid and retarded.  You never heard what the cashier told them in terms of insults. They wouldn't have slapped him for no reason.  Second, I wonder if the girls were white, would everyone still think they deserved to get beat down incessantly with a metal rod? We can discuss the double standard of the customers being men and the cashier a woman...why not change the race? We cant' have it 57 ways. Fair is fair. I know if they were white girls, this black man would've been shot dead on site.

• how do you neutralize an attacker with no rope ,handcuff string etc.etc.. the only thig availible maybe some straws, and with the right knots maybe he could have made some restraints....PICTURE THAT !!

• Are you serious?  The man defended himself against two charging dimwits. He could have ASKED them to stop? Really? Did u not see how out of control they were?  His fellow employees should have stopped the two dingbats.  Those two are the danger to society.  How dare you assault the man for doing his job.  His past has NOTHING to do with this at all.  Those women provoked HIM. They caused all of it.

• you need to watch the video again ..after they was down he told them to stay down!! if they dont stay down then the threat is still very alive. Would it have been better for him to let them up to atemp another attack on him or maybe some other employees/

• This comment is for Mr Tim Bates, I respect the fact that everyone would not employ a harden criminal who go around hurting people for no reason, but we all make some bad choices in life that we're not proud of and this man has paid for his mistake and trying to get his life together. If it was left to you he would never have a job and probably be robbing and killing people  to survive. Do you prefer that ?

• statistics don't lie dumb ass....race has everything to do with it....

• I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS PAST.HE WAS DOING HIS JOB BY MAKING SURE A $50 DOLLAR BILL WAS REAL.THEY HAD NO REASON TO ASSAULT THE GUY FOR THAT.AND THEN CHASE HIM AND CORNER HIM THAT CRAP AIN'T RIGHT.THEY GOT WHAT THEY HAD COMING!!

• Pmoo, that was a excessive post.  You think he went overboard.  I see your point.  Those last few wacks were unnecessary.   But this man isn't a police officer, or a professional in conflict resolution, and shouldn't be judged like one.  He was a man being attacked at his place of work.  Adrenaline and emotion take over.   Man was put in an extremely tough situation.  BTW, did you use that they were drunk as a justification for the two assailants?  I think that grounds to use harsher defense.  Drunk people lose reasoning and they are dangerous.  Man's not a saint but he's no animal.  Either are the people who believe that self preservation is a person's human right. 

• This cashier still has the killer instinct inside his brain, and he is a danger to society. Since when do men beat women so savagely under the excuse of self defense?  These two women posed no threat to the cashier's life.  Yes, they cursed and slapped him and jumped over the counter to continue harassing him, but they did not pose a real threat to his life.  They were just angry at him and had no motive to kill him or even to seriously harm him, because what happened was just a verbal exchange of insults and heated arguments, nothing serious to justify killing him or seriously hurting him.  He could have asked them to stop harassing him or hitting him, without hitting them back.  He had no justification whatsoever to go to the back of the kitchen and come back with a metal pipe, which is a murder weapon in the eyes of the law, and start beating them with it savagely, even when they were down on the floor.  I am sure his intent, as evident from the video, was to beat them to death, but he stopped when his fellow employees and customers begged him to do so.

• The cashier could have walked away from trouble by exiting from the back door and calling the police.  Why did he come back with a metal pipe and started beating them continuously and mercilessly, even when they were down on the floor?  He wouldn't have stopped swinging the pipe at them until death had it not been for customers and fellow employees who screamed, demanding him to stop.  This is not self defense.  He had a choice to leave the scene, but he chose not to.

•     What Security guard? Its corporate downsizing baby. He was the Cashier/Security guard(undercover). Trained by the best inmates of NY. 

• "The hit that put them on the ground was enough...if they got up again and continued to come after him as a threat, then swing again but not when they're down.  Good job defending yourself, bad job continuing to hit the women while they're down." -- copied. I totally agree with the above comment.  That's what the jury, I guess, will be considering during their deliberations.  The defense, according to the law, must be progressive, not abrupt and without prior warning, depending on the level of threat, of course.  The cashier should have warned them not to make any move while they were down. If one of the women tried to reach into her pocket while on the ground, then the cashier has to assume she is trying to pull out a weapon, in which case he has every right to swing his rod again. He then must warn that woman that if she tries again to reach into her pocket, he would have no choice but to kill her.  If she refuses and tries to reach for her pocket, then he has every right to kill her.  On the other hand, the cashier also faces the risk of being shot and killed by the woman if she had a faster reaction.

• I hope you are right, but sometimes the legal system is so twisted that the prosecutor wants concrete evidence that the two women posed a threat to his life, such as pulling a gun or a knife or a grenade.  The cashier's action could have been progressive rather than immediate, like defending himself from their hitting, asking them to let go, pushing them away without hitting them back, and asking his fellow employees to call 911, etc. You may say, but it would be late, they could have killed him first. It's true, but that's how the legal system works, unfortunately.  A police officer would have acted in the same manner and radioed for help, otherwise he would be charged with police brutality, unless the attacker was visibly armed, in which case the police officer has every right to kill the attacker.

• George, I must disagree with you on this one. The cashier was already assaulted and perceived them jumping the counter as a threat to him and his co-workers. Being in the situation he has no idea if they have a gun/knife etc... Even on the ground, if the lady had a gun it is still an imminent threat and he has a right to completely neutralize the attacker by any means that eliminates the risk. Jumping the counter removes them from being customers, and turns the situation into a possible robbery/hostage situation. If this were to happen at say a bank, the guy would be being hailed as a hero.

•  I have emailed McDonald's as well... This guy should not have been fired, he should have gotten a medal for protecting everyone else behind that counter.

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