Q&A: EMA's Erika M. Anderson On How To Shock People Using Stolen Classic-Rock Lyrics And Firing A Gun At Age 14
Is there anyone's songwriting in particular that you considered the model for a poppy version of this kind of drony, confessional music?
Uh, Lou Reed? Everyone stops to figure out if it's like, PJ Harvey or the Breeders. I'm like, dude. Lou Reed, man.
Are you uncomfortable with the degree people are putting the lyrics under the magnifying glass?
There's an element of outrageousness to themokay, give me a second to collect my thoughts here.
People say histrionic things in pop songs all the time. For example, "I'm just 22 and I don't mind dying." That's from, like, a bar-rock song. The most famous version of that is from George Thorogood. That does not come across like an extreme line in that song. For some reason, I don't know if it's the delivery, or what it is, the lyrics come off as extreme. People say crazy shit in pop songs, even mainstream pop, you know, "I would die without you," and Eminem and Rihanna's song about burning a house... so I must be doing something that's either fucking with the language, or fucking with the delivery that's actually making people stop and listen to the lyrics and actually contemplate what they're saying and the extremity of things. But I don't actually feel like they're saying anything more extreme than any other thing in pop music. I think somehow it just comes across as barely believable. [laughs]
Does that make it easier for you to sing about intensely personal stuff, then, since it's expected that a lot of pop music exaggerates all the time?
Even in the confessional songs there's an element of me taking it too far. There's a little bit of swagger, a little bit of bravado, a little bit of, like, "I'm gonna push this one step too far." Maybe I won't feel it at some point, but I need to push it over the top so that I can even express these things. I feel almost like a stand-up comedian: the best damn comedians are talking about things that are true, but they put it in a way that's shocking. But you're laughing because it's funny because it's true. You're not if something's completely made up, so there has to be a grain of truth in it. But the line switches really quick, so it's hard to tell from one second to the other, am I winking, or am I... and that's fine with me. A lot of singers who are successful make you feel more than one thing at once.
When I was a kid, all those bands like Korn were singing about abuse, and judging by all the happy beachy indie music of the last few years I feel like a new generation is able to be shocked by histrionic songs about abuse again.
I've been writing similar shit for a while so I can't really say if it's in complete opposition to what is going on.
One of my favorite lines on the album is "You've corrupted them all with your sexuality." I feel this innate feminism in waving these taboo images in people's faces and daring them to compare you to Courtney Love.
When people make a bigger deal about the violent darkness of the lyrics than they would... in any case, the lyrics are intriguing people and making them want to start a conversation, which is cool, because I like lyrics. I'm a lyric person. But I don't know, maybe the "wounded woman" archetype is easier to understand than a wry, borderline sarcastic, funny... [laughs]. It's easier to be like, "We've seen this before, we saw it in the '90s, the angry, wounded lady." And there's some angry, wounded lady stuff on there, sure. [pause] Oh, I just killed a spider with my hand.
Not to make another '90s comparison, but many people thought Bikini Kill were militant and dramatic but they were funny.
They were so funny! They wrote "Suck My Left One," "Carnival."
So what's the best "big fat breakfast"?
Oh, when I think of that I think of a worm! A bird eating a worm.
I'm in New York right now and I just had these maple bacon beignets, and I keep thinking about them when that song ["Breakfast"] comes on. But now I'm going to think of a worm, so thanks.
Exactly, you're going to think of a worm. Maple bacon worm.