Lara Logan: Was She Actually Raped? It Makes a Difference.

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Lara Logan, just before she was mauled in Egypt
​Was Lara Logan raped by the insane mob in Cairo last Friday? Most media are shirking their jobs by a careful tiptoe around that key question. Ask women (or men), and they'll tell you that actual rape is worse than a mauling, even if the beating includes vicious groping. Exactly how much of a sexual assault was it? That matters. If it was actual rape, then the outrage needs to be ratcheted up. Among those not afraid of addressing the question is the New York Post, whose Clemente Lisi reports today:

The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape."

Was it or not? If it was, that would take this horrific act way beyond the pale. Despite what CBS and her family and the pusillanimous media say, the need to know trumps privacy.

Judging by the plucky and blunt Logan's frank talk on Jon Stewart's Daily Show and other venues, she will eventually tell us the details.

And it wouldn't be to satisfy some twisted prurience. It would be because she's blunt and a real reporter unafraid to deliver unpleasant truths. Here she is on Stewart in 2008:

Now, was Logan raped last Friday? The Times's Brian Stelter skirted the question, writing, like almost all the other media, that Logan was "sexually assaulted." Was it rape, or was the sexual component of the vicious attack considerably less than that? Were there chants of "Jew! Jew" (even though she's not Jewish) while she was being attacked? It's also possible that she was sexually assaulted in every which way but rape. Yes, almost as bad, but still not as bad as rape.

Stelter ended his story with dry statistical crap:

The committee, whose board includes Ms. Logan, said Tuesday evening in a statement: "We have seen Lara's compassion at work while helping journalists who have faced brutal aggression while doing their jobs. She is a brilliant, courageous, and committed reporter. Our thoughts are with Lara as she recovers."

There is little information available about instances of sexual assault affecting journalists. In an article for the Columbia Journalism Review in 2007, the writer, Judith Matloff, wrote that foreign correspondents rarely tell anyone, "even when the abuse is rape."

Yes, they rarely tell anyone. But this story is out, so there's no turning away from it. What are the details?


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Atomsk1
Atomsk1

Lara Logan is a proven liar who has been caught faking stories. Her claims of rape have no worth, and are most likely complete exaggerations, if not outright fabrications.

tritj
tritj

Guest and AmyFisher23 and the rest of the other pervs, you are the sickest scum on the earth and you will get what you deserve. 

schill
schill

It is not overwhelmingly shocking to think that a bunch of young men, surrounding a young, sexy, blonde American woman, might think that since the current regime has just toppled and there won't be a new regime until morning, would be so bold as to attempt a "street rape". If you think such a thing is not possible, I urge you to just spend the night in Louisiana on a February (Mardi Gras) night. I am a man and I WILL tell you that !YES! MEN are capable of just such a thing if they think they might get away with it. While your story makes it sound as though this was "UNFATHOMABLE" here, I beg to differ. This did not have to be Egypt or Syria or any number of any other Non-American destinations. All this had to be was enough young men with over-active hormones in the right situation and BANG! a woman gets raped! I agree that heaping the scorn on ALL Egyptian men is wrong where this incident is concerned. My point is that you make it sound like you are "protecting" your buddies. While Lara Logan's story is sad and scary (to say the least) you make it sound like a circus show... "Was she really raped?" "Step right up folks, let's see if she was REALLY RAPED" WTF Lady, you get some sick satisfaction tempting the crowd to imagine the event in even more graphic detail? The point is she was attacked and in the midst of "freedom emerging from the ashes" and yes (as a man) I agree that any sexually related touch or grope is well within the "rape" category. I make no attempt to defend anyone person here, I am simply stating what this all looks like to me and I see an angry female reporter who seems to have an axe to grind. You are not doing this story ANY GOOD being "indignant" and "taking this personal" as if you hate the Great Lara Logan. You act like you hated being in her shadow. The point remains that an innocent woman "just doing her job" in Egypt (this time) was attacked and carried off into the crowd. THAT RIGHT THERE IS ENOUGH TO CONCERN ANYONE FOR THEIR SAFETY! Why do you want to make it bigger than it is? She survived a bad situation and it could have been in any country. I understand what you say about the media using extra spin to make Egyptian Males look bad. I get that... That is what they do so they can help our corrupted government use that later for their horrible assaults on our nation from within. If you want to do some REAL REPORTING, get the word out that America is under attack by the very same Bankers that are trying to destroy YOUR COUNTRY as well!!!!!! (petty bickering is useless!!!) Go be a real reporter damn it!

Kain
Kain

It's pretty sickening how many women here are mocking the victims of actual rape.

I'm not sure what's more disturbing. That they have been actually raped, as they claim, and are still digustingly mocking real rape victims with their claims that a groping is the same thing as rape. Or that given how warped their definition of rape is, whether they've destroyed some poor persons life because they've declared something as stupid as being mutually intoxicated (but still consenting) to be "rape" when they regretted it the next morning.

I hope it's the former, since they're defending the same logic behind the latter.

zhan yee
zhan yee

This stupid bitch had it coming she looked so happy when she gets interviewed about the details of her rape. Bet she enjoyed it.

liamua
liamua

She was raped, according to her own words on the 60 minutes interview.  It was a horrible and violent attack that affected every inch of her body.  What bothers me about this article, however, is where it seems to place the threshold of acceptability.  Yes, rape is the ultimate form of violation.  I have been sexually assaulted in a very "mild" form of the term - pinned down and groped over my sweater - and it was horrible and took a long time to recover from, but it wasn't rape, which would have been worse.  However, well, have you ever heard of the toilet flush analogy.  Wouldn't a violent attack where one person is targeted by a huge mob, pulled away from her group, physically and sexually assaulted to the point where she no longer has any control over her body cause the toilet bowl to flush for you? - do you need the added assault of rape?  Even if no rape occurred, the membrane has long been broken.  Her level of psychological damage will require an involved recovery process either way and will depend on more factors than just the nature of her assault.  

Maybe my problem is with Mark Harkavy's reporting.  He asks what he believes is a crucial question, but doesn't seem do to any work to find the answer.  Did he call anyone, try to get statements?  Your lack of work on the story sends a flippant message about the story.  It's worth arrogantly asking questions which come off as mere attacks on another news agency than taking the story seriously enough to actually try to find the answers.  That is insulting, to Lara Logan and to me, your reader.  Also, I am sickened by those who claim that since she is a woman (or an attractive woman) she therefore should never have been in a dangerous situation.  Ugh.  Male journalists put themselves in danger for the story and are sometimes attacked and violated in horrible ways -- remember Daniel Pearl?  Should he never have been in Pakistan?  She had a full security detail.  The news and celebration were hours old and she happened to be there and was doing her job- reporting the BIG news story.  

Austin
Austin

Well, take it from Lara Logan... "the raped me with their hands, in front, behind"..."they were inside of me, everywhere"..."the intimate injuries, the tearing inside"

I believe that is rape, and so does the World Health Organization in their definition of rape as the penetration of the vagina or anus by the penis, ANOTHER BODY PART, or object against a person's will.

fukChronicle
fukChronicle

I think you wrote this to get hits or are a complete moron. Either way you are still a souless idiot.

Top Notch
Top Notch

From what little I've seen attributed to authoritative sources on this subject, it would seem that in fact she was not raped (in the clinical sense of the word) but was instead punched, sexually assaulted (groped roughly), stripped of her clothing and then beaten with one or more of those little wood flag poles that were in such abundance in Tahrir Square that night.

Given the prevailing customs in that part of the world, I would read the latter as saying that Lara Logan was caned.

A caning can be best described as a spanking on steroids.

Little wonder then that CBS's Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent would much prefer that the details of this assault not be explored.

Lolli
Lolli

Dont believe the hype. - just got her ass kicked.. save the drama..it was a fuckin war zone bozoes

Larry
Larry

First of all, I will not read any of the comments before I respond because it will create bias in my response. I will go by the information Ward Harkavy just provided above. She is a honest reporter, but will she be honest about what happened to her? Anyone who has been traumatized knows that it is hard to explain the details of what happened. That is, if they remember the details at all. I've been jumped before and the details are a blur. Grabbing every part of her body, spitting on her, kicking her in the head...anything that a twisted mob can do is a terrifying thought. If she does lie, who cares? Even if the truth came out later, by another source, who would criticize her for lying about something like that? In fact, I hope the truth does come out, by another source, because those would be the witnesses who can help identify the attackers.

its just music!
its just music!

I don't understand, rappers are people too, they should rape as they please, I personally don't like any rappers because its just not my style but a rapper should rape all he wants.

guest
guest

I posted this on a site: A number of years ago I was in the entrance of St. Peter's Church in New York watching a wedding procession leave. I felt something pushing into my back. Turned around, and some jerk had an erection and was pushing into me. *(he was clothed, but you could tell). I yelled, "You are a f****** pervert and left. Sorry I didn't have my stun gun with me.

charles
charles

She was not. She released a statement saying her clothes were ripped off, she was punched,kicked and whipped with small flags. I can rest a little easier knowing it's not what you pervs wish it was.

Sally
Sally

I think the phrase "sexual assault" needs to be dropped and more precise terms used: (1) forced vaginal penetration; (2) forced blow job; (3) Tit grabbing; (4) Ass Grabbing; & (5) Forced Anal-Sex. In the modern era we can all handle more specific terms and vague labels hide what actually happened and what is being alleged.

Joe4more
Joe4more

In all due respect, sexual assault can mean a grab on the buttocks; this is of course inappropriate. Why do I get the feeling that it's in Ms. Logan's best interest to keep everybody guessing....I'm just saying; some reports are blunt, using the word rape. If this reporter was raped it should be condemned by all for the horrific act it is. If this reporter was physically assaulted (known job hazard), what happened; was she groped during the attack, which technically speaking becomes sexual assault at that point? Details would clarify without going into graphic minutia.

Guest
Guest

I didn't see this kind of talmudic discussion when the Abner Louima case was in the news. Was it rape or was it penetration or was is allergy to a bouquet of flowers? She had internal injuries. Morons.

Timofi
Timofi

Wade, you are a tool. Your rape "rating" method is idiotic. Here's a tip: you get a 10/10 for being a braindead goose. Do you have an editor ?

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

Lara Logan is a proven liar.

erin
erin

fuck you dickface

Pjfrick
Pjfrick

To the assholes that called her a whore and said she deserved it- why don't you swing by my house so I can cut your eyelids off and throw sand in your eyes? Oh, and I hope some psychopath comes along and slits your throats. Punks.

erin
erin

the only way a bitch like you could end up with a girl like that is by forcing her, go to hell

Angel
Angel

oh? post your address im sure theres a few who would like to see if you enjoy a broomstick up your ass...............

erin
erin

you wish fucker..

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

How does a woman being physically assaulted, WITHOUT rape, make her any different or more important than the tens if not hundreds of thousands of MEN who were physically assaulted and outright MURDERED by police and military in the same area at the same time? Oh thats right, those men arent blonde, pretty, and white, so they deserve no sympathy or attention.

Pretty white women are the most spoiled, self-entitled creatures that have ever walked the face of this Earth. They cant help but make everything about THEM.

"Yes, yes, an entire country overthrew its oppressive government, but lets focus on the REAL story here: I, a pretty little white princess, got stuck in a glorified mosh pit for a few minutes!" --Lara Logan

Moenjason70
Moenjason70

Yep....and this could have happened to any reporter there......I hate to say it but, thats one of the risk you take as an attractive blonde reporter amongst a bunch of overly excited men. She is a news whore that wanted a story so bad she was blind of the potential risk. BOO HOO she was slaped around a bit. No one would be saying shit had it been a man....had it been a man he probably would have been beating to death because I can see a bunch of egytian women throwing themsleves on top of him to save him. MORAL OF THE STORY DONT GO PLACES WHERE THE RISK OF GETTING AS ASSKICKING ARE HIGH....You would see me walking around in thee hood at night right after all the clubs closed for the night and all the thugs are on the streets making there waymback home.....HELL NO...be smart

Amyfisher23
Amyfisher23

I don't like her but am glad she wasn't raped

Amyfisher23
Amyfisher23

I don't like her but am glad she wasn't raped

erin
erin

if they remember the details at all? yes VERY VIVIDLY

Johnq1999
Johnq1999

Rapper or rapist? Damn get your shit straight!!! I would like to hear you say rape is ok when if your mom, sister, wife and daughter get raped at the same time!!! Take a minute and think about it... Really picture it? You would probably enjoy it you sick fu**. Women get brutally raped all the time and it is very traumatic. People who question this story not because they are turned on, but we want to check the story (ex: if a journalist says he got shot, where's the gun shot wound?). Whoever you are, your thoughts are very dangerous and you should try to control them. If you ever act on it, your gonna be 'Bubba's' bitch in state or federal prison for a long time.

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

So? Every time a woman hugs me her boobs push into my chest or stomach. Should i be offended? Should i start calling them perverts?

Why should people be ashamed of their natural bodies?

Veebeezzz
Veebeezzz

No one wishes she was raped, you are the one with the perverted mind, to even suggest that. A-hole.

Veebeezzz
Veebeezzz

I think there are more appropriate legal terms like RAPE, for example. But, thank you. I totally agree. I am a survivor and I know the difference between being groped and beaten and being raped and beaten. People should not be told half truths by the media. it only fuels rumors and doesn't give due justice to the outrage of the crime. Better to not report anything about it.

K G
K G

you're right - this sick cow is milking it for all it's worth. To think, she was beaten by a mob and won't even tell us if something was shoved into her vagina. THE NERVE!

antiM
antiM

internal injuries may no be from rape. you can have internal injuries from external damage... such as being beaten, being in a car crash, etc.

Ward Harkavy
Ward Harkavy

I'm an editor. "Braindead" is commonly hyphenated. And my name is Ward.

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

Is that all? Arent you forgetting to threaten them with rape as well?

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

Wow, youre right. The worth of a man IS completely dependent upon how many and what kind of women he has sex with! What an excellent cultural justification for rape!

"If you ever want to be a real man and have sex with an attractive white blonde woman, youre going to have to rape her!" --erin

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

But you dont understand, the obvious and 100% predictable consequences of women's actions are never their fault!

Sharon Tate
Sharon Tate

"I would like to hear you say rape is ok when if your mom, sister, wife and daughter get raped at the same time!!!"

Sexist crap. What about if my son gets raped? Boys at boarding schools in the UK and Ireland used to get raped all the time - singly and in packs, by other boys and masters at their school. Far more often raped in fact than their sisters, mothers or future wives ever were.

Second, ask any female who has been raped anally how much it hurt. Being raped anally with a penis hurts far more than being raped vaginally. The vagina is designed to take a penis. The anus is not.

Anal rape is far worse than vaginal rape. Boy are anally raped more often girls are vaginally raped. Ergo, males as a whole know more about the pain and humiliation of rape than most females ever will.

Joe4more
Joe4more

You clearly didn't finish reading my last line of the post: "...clarify without going into graphic minutia"The silence on this topic, conflicting reports, speculation.........only benefits one person: Lara Logan. Wake up you're being played!

Atomsk1
Atomsk1

Tell that to the Catholic church!

DevilMayhem666
DevilMayhem666

"Rape is not one of those circumstance."

Mother nature seems say other wise. Look up "sperm wars". The vagina might be "designed" for gang rape. To mother nature reproducing is reproducing.

Angelica Gicatta
Angelica Gicatta

@ KG

Well, KG, she did manage to turn on the computer didn't she? Where does that leave the rest of your hysterical and overwrought argument? So much for your feeble ad hominem attack.

Of course the human and non-human mammalian vagina is designed to take a penis. Unless you don't believe in millions of years of evolution. Even under the "wrong” circumstances, vaginal rape is far less painful than anal rape. If you don't or can't understand both of these clear-cut observations, then you are so ignorant I have trouble understanding how you can even comprehend turning on a computer. Oh but you did. Oops - sorry I forgot. Blond moment.

And the poster is likely quite right, even though, presumably for your own reasons you evidently find the thought too painful to countenance. Such reliable research as has been carried out and published, not publicised on Jezebel to be sure, shows that it’s likely that boys and young men kept in institutions such as boarding schools, orphanages, reformatories, borstals and prisons experience a higher rate of rape than girls and young women in similar institutions. In the home, amongst family members, we simply don’t know for sure.

Contrary to popular myth, and to the hysteria of the sisterhood, all we know for sure is that the reported rate of rape outside the home and outside institutions is much higher for females aged fifteen and upwards than for males in the same context.

If you fail to understand all the above then you are so ignorant I have trouble understanding how you can even comprehend turning on a computer.

Oops - there I go again!

K G
K G

1) The vagina is not "designed" to take a penis. The vagina can accommodate a penis under the right circumstances. Rape is not one of those circumstances. To put it into perspective - the vagina can accommodate the passage of a fetus under the right circumstances, however I'm pretty sure if I snuck up on you and shoved a life-sized babydoll up your vag you would mind it a little bit.

2) Boys are not anally raped more than girls are vaginally raped. If you think that is even remotely true then you are so ignorant I have trouble understanding how you can even comprehend turning on a computer.

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