Battle of Birtherism: Rightbloggers Divide on Whether Obama is Foreign-Born or Merely Un-American

tomt200.jpgDespite fresh pushback from some top conservatives, the longstanding rightblogger obsession with Barack Obama's birth certificate has not abated.

Even as prominent rightwing columnists and politicians tried to talk down the birther surge exacerbated by the Donald Trump campaign, the notion that Obama is not a citizen was given a new lease on life by the impending release of a book by Dr. Jerome Corsi, cleverly titled Where's the Birth Certificate?

This looks like a schism in rightblogger ranks. But despite differing on one of the great issues in U.S. history, the birtherist and anti-birtherist factions are more united than divided.

Corsi is known, to the extent that he is known, for the book Unfit for Command, which swift-boated the Presidential candidacy of John Kerry. He has written previously on the Obama menace as well.

Last week The Drudge Report plugged Corsi's birther book in a front-page "exclusive" entitled "BOOK TO REVEAL OBAMA'S 'TRUE' IDENTITY?" -- even though the book is not scheduled to be released for another month. Drudge described the book as "this year's high stakes publishing project" and asked such meaningful questions as, "Does Corsi definitively declare the location of Obama's birth?"

In other words, it sounds like a publisher's press release no one bothered to make journalism-like, but we doubt this bothered true believers: The Corsi book quickly shot to Amazon's top ten in pre-order.

Several of the brethren were as excited about Corsi's book as Objectivists awaiting the release of the Atlas Shrugged movie or pre-teens anticipating a Justin Bieber concert.

"This is going to be driving Liberals, Progressives, Unionistas, the MSM (yeah, I know a Ven diagram of these groups looks almost like a single circle) batshit crazy the entire summer," predicted Robbie Cooper of UrbanGrounds, who said he'd pre-ordered a copy himself. "I'm not sure what Obama is hiding," added Cooper, "but I know he's hiding something."

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"Now you know why - no birth certificate!" Well, look, it can't all be serious analysis; even birthers gotta cut loose sometimes.
"Kool-Aid drinkers such as Whoppi Goldberg will screech and wail that [Obama] has already" produced a birth certificate, said The Freedom Medium. "There must be something pretty good in that Kool-Aid for Whoppi and the Obamaites to overlook the fact that an image on the internet that looks like it was Photoshopped by a 12-year-old is not proof."

Phil Brennan of The Cagle Post allowed himself to fantasize about a world in which John McCain is given the White House because Obama turned out to be Angolan or something. But despite his evident hatred of the President, Brennan couldn't enjoy his dream, because "the thuggish behavior of the pro-union forces in Madison Wisconsin" had forced him to conclude that, should Obama be expelled even righteously, there would be "blood in the streets."

Brennan decided finally to let the pretender Obama stay in the White House until the Republicans beat him in 2012, which he encouraged them to really work at it this time, even though this would "incur the wrath of the left-leaning media which would aim their poison darts directly at their hearts." (We believe Brennan was speaking figuratively here, and perhaps throughout.)

Give Us Liberty gave it to us straight: "ANY BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT MAY EXIST...WILL SHOW THAT OBAMA LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...PLAIN, PURE AND SIMPLE...HE DEFRAUDED AN ENTIRE COUNTRY...HE COMMITTED THE GREATEST CRIME EVER AGAINST OUR COUNTRY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR!..." Well, no wonder he doesn't want to admit it!

While this was going on, some big conservatives suddenly spoke out against the birther surge. Maybe they were troubled that the buffoon Trump was leading GOP Presidential polls; maybe they were afrighted by another poll that suggested birtherism is now almost a majority opinion among Republicans. (Let us not rule out conscience or a rising gorge, however unlikely these seem.)

Whatever: The Trump candidacy came under fire from National Review's Rich Lowry ("Trump absurdly promises to become a personal Scotland Yard for the birthers"). Glenn Beck and Michele Bachmann publicly backed off birtherism. John Hawkins of Right Wing News beseeched the brethren to evade "the birther trap." Former Reagan and Bush White House official Linda Chavez denounced the "false charge that Obama has never produced a valid copy of his birth certificate." Even Republican Nevada Arizona Governor Jan Brewer refused to sign a birther-inspired bill.

Some conservatives who didn't want to go full birther yet insisted that the persistence of this delusion was actually Obama's fault. Call it the "have your flake and eat it too" approach.

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Paul Smith
Paul Smith

Obama released his birth certificate Obama confirmed that he was born in HawaiiObama confirmed that his father is Barack Husein Obama, Sr.Obama confirmed that he is ineligible to be the POTUSGet the feeling Trump is about to spring his trap?

Synykyl
Synykyl

Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.

Julia Grey
Julia Grey

Wow, Obama releasing his birth certificate really DID make these people's heads explode!

Consumer Unit 5012
Consumer Unit 5012

Obama just got Hawaii to release his LONG FORM VAULT CERTIFICATE. Birthers wasted no time in declaring it an evil hoax.

The simple truth is, they'll never be happy. There isn't a certificate on Earth that can turn Obama white.

Paul Smith
Paul Smith

You are absolutely correct. Barry is one of two things - a usurper or a liar/fraud/forger and quite possibly both!

Sovereign Soul
Sovereign Soul

Who gives a squat about WHERE he was BORN? aka IS INELIGIBLE simply because he DOES NOT HAVE TWO AMERICAN CITIZEN PARENTS !! Has anyone here devoted any time at all in reading the U.S. Constitution? He could have been born in the White House but that does NOT change the status of his parents!

HE is well aware of his own ineligibility as he, when he was a Senator, VOTED to UNCONSTITUTIONALLY pass legislation that "presumably" gave John McCain the status of a NATURAL born citizen BECAUSE McCain HAD parents who were BOTH citizens -- EVEN THOUGH HE WAS BORN IN A HOSPITAL IN PANAMA --- NOT on the U.S. Base! SO, aka KNOWS that DUAL CITIZENSHIP of the parentrs IS A REQUIREMENT.

The FACT that the U.S. Congress ACTED TO INVALIDATE the Constitution which EVERY member of Congress has sworn an Oath to uphold, by making an AMENDMENT to the Constitution by Congressional VOTE -- which, in itself, IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IF McCain had :"won" the election, you know damn well that the Constitutionality of HIS claim to be an NATURAL BORN citizen whould be challenged by EVERY newspaper in the Nation -- and by every socialist/progressive no matter whether they were RINO's or Democrat.

Becksbierisgood
Becksbierisgood

I got a little dizzy reading your post.

A couple (well, more than a couple) questions:

1) Do both parents have to be citizens for the kid to be a citizen?

2) You claim: at some time the US Senate "VOTED to UNCONSTITUTIONALLY pass legislation"? Why would they need to pass legislation unconstitutionally when they routinely pass it constitutionally?

3) You claim: " ....aka KNOWS that DUAL CITIZENSHIP of the parentrs (sic) IS A REQUIREMENT." Really? My parents didn't have dual citizenship and I'm a citizen. At least my passport says my nationality is USA..

4) If my parents had been on vacation in Antarctica when I was born - and I was born there - would I still be an American citizen? Would I be eligible to run for President? Or, would I be unable to qualify to run for President?

5) You claim: the "....U.S. Congress ACTED TO INVALIDATE the Constitution" ... "by making an AMENDMENT to the Constitution by Congressional VOTE..." What? Actually I've never heard of a "Congressional VOTE" - usually the chambers vote separately. Also, did the Congress attempt to amend the Constitution simply by voting on the amendment? I missed that one - any chance you could steer me to where I could find out about it?

6) "...socialist/progressive...." What is that? Are Socialists (common ownership of the means of production and all) and Progressives (lets have a minimal social safety net so we are not a Third World country and we basically follow the Christian ethic) really the same? I was taught they are different.

7) Were you really referring to the 14th Amendment?

8) I'm more of a "numbers" guy and grammar is not my thing, but ..... I don't believe "RINO's" needs an apostrophe. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, you can see why I was a bit confused at your post -- perhaps you'd like to clarify? Thanks in advance ....

Sovereign Soul
Sovereign Soul

Hi Guys (Note, I correctly left out the apostrophe! Some habits are hard to break.)

There are several classes of citizenship and our Founding Fathers went to great lengths to clarify. Most people are confused by the words "natural" and "naturalized" -- there's a world of difference between the two.

There is NO way that one can deny that a person born ON U.S. soil to TWO parents BOTH of whom are CITIZENS is, in fact, a citizen and that is why they are described as NATURAL BORN (AS OPPOSED to naturalIZED. Those FACTS can not be argued and/or the persons birthright status changed "by edict" -- therefore the definition is abundantly clear. The citizen parents MAY be citizens by birth on our soil OR they may be naturalIZED citizens. BUT, and it's a BIG but. At the time of BIRTH BOTH parents MUST be citizens... a parent being naturalIZED after the birth does NOT qualify. This is why two "potential", and apparently highly desirable Republicans can NOT be qualified for the POTUS the "both parents" being citizens AT THE TIME of BIRTH does not prevail.

A very good comprehensive summary that will answer most of your questions will be found in the blog by Paul R. Hollrah titled Revisiting the Obama Eligibility QuestionApril 22nd, 2011 ยท 9 Comments. It can be found at: (copy & paste URL)

http://bobmccarty.com/2011/04/...

Much VERY good commentary on this issue can also be found at:Giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com

One more time. The status of aka's citizenship -- whether he IS or IS not born jus soli, is really irrelevant to THIS discussion. By his OWN ADMISSION in his AUTObiography he has admitted that Barack H. Obama, the FIRST -- who he claims to be his father, WAS a BRITISH subject in the protectorate of Kenya when aka was born. Later, with the sovereignty of Kenya as a new nation, his FATHER became a citizen of Kenya.

Do some homework guys! Whether MY beloved U.S.A. remains a Republic or is turned into a socialized country like the USSR or a Dictatorship like Cuba, ALL depends on enough Patriotic Americans becoming informed on the Constitution and its Bill of Rights -- BOTH of which have been vandalized by the Republicans as well as the Democrats.

Synykyl
Synykyl

... Who gives a squat about WHERE he was BORN? aka IS INELIGIBLE simply because he DOES NOT HAVE TWO AMERICAN CITIZEN PARENTS!! ...

That's not what U.S. Constitution says. Not now, not ever. In addition, the 14th amendment (1868) specifically authorizes Congress to create laws clarifying rules regarding citizenship.

Honest. You could look it up.

Leeds man
Leeds man

The FACT that the U.S. Congress ACTED TO INVALIDATE the Constitution which EVERY member of Congress has sworn an Oath to uphold, by making an AMENDMENT to the Constitution by Congressional VOTE

You mean the 14th Amendment? This is one of those Civil War hangover thingies, innit? According to the Amendment, McCain is without doubt a citizen. Nobody would have challenged it. Only lunatics would do that.

Paul Smith
Paul Smith

McCain is, without a doubt, a citizen.McCain is, without a doubt, NOT a natural born citizen (presuming he was not born on the military base)

Sovereign Soul
Sovereign Soul

You ARE entirely correct Paul. THAT is why TWO Democrats (I forget their names) proposed THE legislation to get the House to agree that McCain WAS, indeed, a NATURAL BORN citizen. It passed the House and was quickly approved by the Senate.

That was a ploy by the Democrats to "amend the Constitution" by legislative fiat -- NOT according to the TWO ways that the Constitution provides for making amendments! It was their -- the authors's, intent to "trap" the Republicans ... which they successfully DID, by making THEIR man, aka Obama, of similar status AS McCAIN, if there was any question as to aka's eligibility. This is WHY the Republicans gave aka a "pass". ALL of them KNEW that aka was son of a non-citizen and the Repubs. said nothing! There's a lot more to this than I can explain in this short space. But, belive the facts -- learn them and make up YOUR OWN mind. EVERY member of the 111th and 112th Congress has violated their Oath of Office ... some, so actively that their acts are treasonous, and all should be replaced with "new stock". Yes, that includes my 'beloved' Ron Paul who did NOT bring up the issue though HE is "Mr. Constitution" himself.

P.S. There is an excellent video that came out today that clearly illustrated that the so-called Birth Certificate that aka came up with today IS A FAKE ... a COUNTERFEIT! The video, apparently made by a very young man -- form the pitch of his voice, showed how the inscriptions of the answers were made in various layers, or, sequences, of formation.

You can VIEW IT HERE

Obama Birth Certificate fraud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

douglaswatts
douglaswatts

At Republican movie theaters everyone's the projectionist.

Shamrock3
Shamrock3

My concern is not that Obama is not a US citizen but that he believes he doesn't need to uphold the laws and conventions of the United States. It is customary and the law of some states that a candidate must prove they are a natural born citizen ad 35 or older. The arrogance that he believes he does not need to comply with these laws and traditions is what maddens me.

Release the darn birth certificate and it is all over.

Or could it be that it states his religion as Muslim?

Just like could it be that his college application to Columbia lists his nationality as Indonesian?

Just be honest and all this goes away.

Tracy Mohr
Tracy Mohr

My concern is that you're stupid.

Paul Smith
Paul Smith

My concern is that you're a slut.

Now how do either or our comments add to the discussion?

krampus_claus
krampus_claus

What maddens you is Obama's "foreignness". Like others have said, you dingbats have not accepted other perfectly legal and legitimate proof of his birth. He knows better than to believe he has anything to gain by getting sucked into your rabbit hole of nationalist delusion.

Consumer Unit 5012
Consumer Unit 5012

I like the theory that Obama is DELIBERATELY trolling the Birthers so that they can make the rest of the Republicans look bad by comparison.

Paul Smith
Paul Smith

I like the theory that Trump set a trap and Obummer just stepped in it.

Al_Swearengen
Al_Swearengen

No, you be honest. We know you and the others aren't so dumb as to not understand that Obama's Kansas born-and-raised mother means he's a citizen, even if he was born on the moon.

This is just the usual, "Hee hee. I can make Democrats mad by being willfully stupid. Just like my hero, Rush. Score a point for us, yay team!!"

Here's a golf-clap for you, moron. Good job.

Shamrock3
Shamrock3

Al,

You missed my point. All I ask, of any candidate, red, green or purple, is that you abibide by the rules and customs of our nation. Providing proof of citizenship and age is a requirement and the freedom of information act states it needs to be publicly available.

One rule for all!

Julia Grey
Julia Grey

He has provided the proof you seek.

The FOIA does not apply to personal information. HAWAII LAW, on the other hand, does not allow Obama or anyone else to have personal access to their archives, or to copy documents therein, due to the danger of people altering, damaging or absconding with them. Therefore they provide CERTIFICATION of the documents in their possession, as just about every other state does these days, given that photocopying old documents, especially multiple times, is likely to damage them.

That CERTIFICATION, with a raised seal, is all anyone needs to prove citizenship and age. Obama provided that certification to the Federal Elections Commission when he applied to run for president, just as all the other candidates did. It was the proof that was required.

Furthermore, in lieu of you yourself getting your hands on a copy and feeling the raised seal your ownself, the former governor of Hawaii, a REPUBLICAN, said that she had satisfied herself that the documents in the archives proved Obama was a natural born American citizen.

And his mother was indubitably an American citizen. The End.

gocart mozart
gocart mozart

Shamrock3 is an illegal immigrant. Will someone call IONS on him please before he takes a job from an American?.

glen
glen

And so he did, just as much as any president has.

UnholyMoses
UnholyMoses

He did. More than once.

In a related matter, we ask that you and the other birthers (no matter how polite you might act) to please show us on your birth certificates where it states your religion. Also, please explain to us all what separates the certificate you (or I) have on record and use to get, say, a driver's license, and the "long form" one people like you are demanding.

We ask because, in this place most of us know as "reality," there's no such thing as a "long form" birth certificate.

It's nothing more than a term coined by powerful people who want to manipulate the weak minded, easily bigoted, and already racist into hating the guy in the White House who happens to be blackity black black black.

Congrats! You took the bait, and got reeled into a boatload of stupid.

It's not too late, though -- you can either abandon ship and swim toward the Shores of Sanity, or go down with it into the Rift of Wingnut Batshittery.

Your call.

atafis
atafis

"All I ask, of any candidate, red, green or purple, is that you abibide (sic) by the rules and customs of our nation."

Ahem ....., he has.

coozledad
coozledad

And all rule for one!!1!.abibide?

Freshly Squeezed Cynic
Freshly Squeezed Cynic

Or could it be that it states his religion as Muslim?

Some religious tests, it seems, are not like the others.

GlockPalin
GlockPalin

Oh, shut up. Obama has provided the relevant authorities with the proof of his age and citizenship. He is under no obligation to provide it to you, personally.

Also, even if his birth certificate said he was Muslim, it would be meaningless.

Just be honest and all this goes away.

Bullshit. Obama could put up a YouTube video of himself coming down the birth canal clutching an American flag and an extra-long-form birth certificate notarized by Jesus and Ronald Reagan and this still wouldn't go away. It has nothing to do with the evidence.

coozledad
coozledad

Honestly, Shammy, what happened is the white guy lost and it blew a big hole in your vision of how the world is supposed to work. So you and a bunch of other simpletons latch on to any fiction that will help you dredge up your pathetic race-based self esteem.None of this goes away until someone develops a target drug for your condition, and the state helps you pay for it.

Cleter
Cleter

Have you seen John McCain's birth certificate? Do you know where he was born? Would you be equally outraged about President McCain's birth certificate?

lacp
lacp

I really, really hope this is parody, because if you're being serious here you're too stupid and ignorant to be allowed to walk upright.

laym
laym

Wait ... do I need to amend my birth certificate, now that I have converted to Flying Spaghetti Monsterism? I would hate to be out of compliance!

Clip Jobs rules
Clip Jobs rules

I don't know if he was born here and I don't care The voters knew they were electing somebody from a "different" background, it was a huge issue at the time. This should have been over and done with. Instead of wasting time on the nonsense the tea partiers should be spending time energy on things like Obama's anti terrorism campaign violating so many fundamental rights and killing so many sans due process that it makes the Bush Administration look like constitutional rights saints. Isn't this government intrusion?. And then there is the increase in rewarding financial crooks by bailing them out instead of imprisoning them. This was reason the tea party movement started

Julia Grey
Julia Grey

And then there is the increase in rewarding financial crooks by bailing them out instead of imprisoning them. This was reason the tea party movement started

Actually, the tea party started when there began to be talk about helping out-of-work people pay their mortgages for the good of everyone involved, including the mortgagee's neighbors, whose property values also plummeted in direct relation to the number of foreclosures on the block. Our little friend at the Chicago Board of Trade's viral video was all about how horrible THAT kind of program would be.

He had nothing whatsoever to say about taxpayer money being spent to bail out BANKS, INVESTMENT FIRMS and INSURANCE GIANTS who had in many cases perpetrated actual fraud. That's because HIS job and livelihood depended upon those entities being propped up.

commie atheist
commie atheist

And then there is the increase in rewarding financial crooks by bailing them out instead of imprisoning them. This was reason the tea party movement started

Really? I thought it started after some Wall Street guy ranted on TV about oppressed he and his pals were:

http://crooksandliars.com/john...

lacp
lacp

Poland. You forgot Poland.

Cleter
Cleter

So, the party that nominated The Panamanian Strong Man last time is suddenly very concerned about birth certificates? Good to know.

Glen
Glen

This is going to be driving Liberals, Progressives, Unionistas, the MSM (yeah, I know a Ven diagram of these groups looks almost like a single circle) batshit crazy

This is the only motivation these people have.

UnholyMoses
UnholyMoses

DING! DING! DING!

It must be weird to go through life as the right does, reflexively opposing anything simply because people they don't like support it (or vice versa). It takes an almost-admirable level of spite, an impressive supply of rage, and a boatload of selfishness, but they manage to pull it off.

It's just a shame an entire nation has to pay the price ...

M. Krebs
M. Krebs

Don't Venn diagrams always look like a single circle?

kevinh
kevinh

You may be thinking of pie charts.

Nom de Plume
Nom de Plume

This is the only motivation these people have.

It sure as hell ain't their country.

Substance McGravitas
Substance McGravitas

HE COMMITTED THE GREATEST CRIME EVER AGAINST OUR COUNTRY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR!

Gee, 9/11 IS a joke.

Roar
Roar

Just a friendly heads up, Jan Brewer is governor of Arizona, not Nevada.

edroso
edroso

Sigh, I should have paid closer attention in Geography class. Thanks, Roar.

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