Michael Fairman Talks to the Voice After his Scientology Excommunication

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Fairman as a Firefly baddie
I had to admit, when I heard about Michael Fairman's explosive exit from Scientology (see our story about it here), my first reaction was, "Michael who?"

His face certainly was familiar, but I wasn't sure where I'd seen it before...

"Penske File! That's what people yell at me," Fairman told me this morning in a phone call. "Most people recognize me for two shows I did on Firefly and one show on Seinfeld. If you mention 'Penske File,' people recognize me."

Fairman is also a regular on The Young and the Restless, and plays the husband to Jeanne Cooper, who has been on the show for more than 30 years.

But Fairman also had another distinction: for several years, he was the face of Scientology.

"For about three years they played an infomercial having to do with Dianetics," Fairman says. The ad encouraged people to call in for a copy of the L. Ron Hubbard book and some other materials. "According to Jeff Hawkins, who was head of marketing at that time, thousands of these kits were sold through that infomercial," he says.

In his stunning announcement that he was leaving Scientology and then the subsequent posting of his "Suppressive Person Declare" -- Scientology's excommunication document, which is rarely seen by the person being kicked out -- Fairman detailed his long loyalty to Scientology, and the many films, videos and events he participated in. He also wrote about how he impoverished himself to stay in the group, and how committed both he and his wife Joy were to advancing in the religion.

In 2009, he gave in to serious doubts about Scientology and began researching the negative press that has surrounded it in recent years. "I was really starting to question things," he says. He resented a high-pressure push by Scientology leader David Miscavige to get members to buy even more, at high prices. "It was a really hard sell, and it turned me and my wife off. I stopped going to events," he says. "Then, when Paul Haggis's letter came up in 2009, that's when I really started to look at things. It brought me to Marty Rathbun's blog, quite fearfully, because Marty had been painted as the most evil of evil."

Rathbun had been one of the highest-ranking members of Scientology until he left in 2004. He now lives in Corpus Christi, Texas, and he encourages Scientologists to leave the organization by convincing them that Scientology's leader, David Miscavige, is the source of the church's troubles, and that L. Ron Hubbard's original writings still have merit.

"Not long after that, I wanted to meet Marty," Fairman says. In November, he did just that. "That's when I crossed the Rubicon," he says, laughing. "I found him to be an incredible man. I had a wonderful time down there. I still believe in the validity of the technology. It's worked for people, and it's worked for me."

In January, as he writes on Rathbun's blog, Fairman was confronted by Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis about his interaction with Rathbun. Davis had with him Fairman's "Suppressive Person Declare," but he didn't let him see its contents. Fairman was able to obtain it later on.

"It really pissed me off. I was very, very angry," he says. "Most of it is a bunch of bullshit. And what truth is in it was taken from my PC folders." Like other Scientologists, Fairman went through "auditing," a kind of confessional counseling, and what he revealed about himself was jotted down by an auditor in a folder. Critics have long contended that Scientology keeps these folders -- which are supposed to be confidential, as in a Catholic confessional -- so that the material can be used against members if they dare defect.

Another effect of leaving or being tossed from Scientology is known as "disconnection." And Fairman says he experienced it right away. He had longtime friends in Scientology, people he had been close to for 25 or 30 years. "I lost all of my quote-unquote friends. One was my manager. They all just vanished," he says. "But I heard from a lot of people at Marty's blog. They're the only friends I have left."

As for family, Fairman says his son was never in Scientology. But his wife Joy is not so lucky. "My wife's mother and sister are no longer speaking to her. Can you imagine that? That's what they've done up and down the line for years and years," he says. "All this disconnection crap is true."

I wondered what his leaving might mean for his career.

"There is a Scientologist working on the show," he says of The Young and the Restless. "She told me, 'You have an enemy at work.' So I went to the producers. They laughed at the whole thing," he says.

"It has occurred to me that they might do something to defame my character. But look, I'm 77. I don't give a fuck," he says. "I'm a good enough actor that I think that's not going to be any concern. I mean, I don't think Tom Cruise would hire me, but I kind of dislike him for what he has allowed to go on."



Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration


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Krc Jenny
Krc Jenny

maggie and louanne, really???   either you are complete liars and have never taken more than a single course in scn or you are silly enough to think real scientologists don't recognize his face from dozens of trainng films. no matter how "loyal" you believe yourself to be in doing this denial ploy, you fool no one but yourselves.  the founder of Scentology, L. Ron Hubbard said Look, don't listen. Maybe, if you fancy yourselves to actually BE scientologist, you might  give that a try. It's called obnosis. Best of luck and when you get your confront up you will be welcome in the group of actual scientologist, outside of the "church".

Lisa Whytock
Lisa Whytock

Helped out in scientology for a long time and am sorry to say that I was even a part of the sham. Saw so many so called OT VIII's and not with the so called abilities and just the same old bullshit that everyone else has. Allot of push on getting money from people to get stats up, saw a relationship go down the drain because it was an inconvienence to the cycle and the other person was in the way. Saw the narconon bullshit not work but get used to try to get the person into the church,,,mo money. Knew that one of the people involved in taking care of lisa macpherson came to me scared and told me how they had killed lisa...she was booted out as unfit for sea org and can't remember her name or know where she is, I remember she was scared though. I remember staying up till wee hours not able to leave org till we figured out which ninny would be the one to reg for money ( of course to help the sob) so we could pay the rent and phone bill. I finally looked into old rons legasy and found that he was quite the crimminal and satanist and abusive to women. Not the big war hero that they lied about or the great adventurer into china, no blood brothers and the person who found this out the church has been going after for quite some time now. As for the guy who probably came up with the majority of auditing tricks...Mayo, was paid off and is retired and not talking now. I woulden't either. If you don't believe the mayo writing thing then why hasen't any more real auditing to the upper bridge been done? None to have...go find Mayo. I guess though, if you cut up and dissect the bridge and keep finding more hidden shit then you can play on that and then say ron "real" shit was just found and now everyone has to go back up the bridge...oh yeah, they already did that number. Keep em coming.

Mary Stephenson
Mary Stephenson

Are you kidding? This is the same conversation with the same accusations that I have seen on every message board on the internet. No matter what the topic is, someone is crazy, there are sock puppets involved, there are people posing as other people. What the hell? Do people just have a script and fill in different names depending on the topic? The internet is nothing if not predictable and boring. Maybe if people stayed on a topic it would be possible to have an intelligent debate or conversation, but instead 99% of the time everyone resorts to schoolyard behavior, name calling and berating. Grow up people!

Darinjazz2
Darinjazz2

Tom Cruise is either a complete fool and idiot, or he is a criminal !!!

theRTK
theRTK

What a brave man.It's inspiring that Fairman found the strength to leave the cult. I hope he and his wife find new, real friends, and inspire others to leave this cult before it takes any more victims.

KSW Queen
KSW Queen

The posters below are clearly "greenie weenies" in Scientology. You say "awhile" like what, a couple years maybe, you're a babe in the woods still clueless.  How is it possible you don't even know who Michael Fairman is, he was the star of the first Dianetics infomercial that played on late night tv for ages for crying out loud. Anyone who has not left or been forced out by now has either tons of misunderstood words or no sense of duty to Keep Scientology Working.  Anyone with a brain or integrity has already been booted out for either writing a report on all the technical alterations or for refusing to agree to lies or suppression any longer.  Thanks Michael for telling it like it is and Thanks Tony for getting it right over and over again!

justme
justme

I have to chime in here.....so many people blame "mischavage"....guess what...they were up to the same old same old..if not worse even before mischavage came around. now  its just the "information age" now, as opposed to prior to 1990......now its all going to be out in the open for the public to freely make up their own minds with all the info...good or bad right in front of them.  The had a strong advantage before the 90's .....becasue problems would stay small and localized unless the media got hold of it adn even then the access to the media was pretty localized..............now the internet is open for all to see, comment and criticise freely.in all nations between all people all over the world...there is not hiding anything now...love it!

Songbird
Songbird

Michael Fairman is a wonderful actor, a great father and a good friend. He wasn't expelled from the church. He quit. Then the C of $ said, "You can't quit, we're expelling you!" I quit, too. After more than 35 years of being hounded for money, money, money. And then, when I showed up for service, FSO (Flag Service Organization) treated me like crap. Now that I'm out, I'm happier and healthier and more stable than I've been in YEARS! The technology of Scientology does work but when misapplied, it can ruin lives.

Vossie
Vossie

Regarding David Miscavige as head of Scientology, he needs some real anger management and ought be be brought to book for Human Rights Violations. Further, it is understood that the persons L.Ron Hubbard had chosen to succeed him was nixed by Miscavige. There are other gross irregularities since the Miscavige takeover committed by him.let's face it people can no longer afford it and are being misled. There is very valuable information in books by other spiritual people if one cares to look at it to enhance one's spiritual being..

Vossie
Vossie

For one, I honestly have to laugh about Louanne's comment quoting L.Ron Hubbard "No man who is not himself honest can be free -he is his own trap. When his own deeds cannot be disclosed he is a prisoner, he must withhold himself from his fellows and is a slave to his own concsience" - If anyone was not honest with people who had joined it, it was L. Ron Hubbard himself. The lies have long been discovered by the rest of us public.

Sgt. Swimmer
Sgt. Swimmer

From Another Look...

"He died with a 'psych drug' in this system, Vistiril. Use when someone goes psychotic."

Vistaril is an anti-histamine ... an allergy medication ... with non-addictive sedating qualities. The coroner's report states he had a "trace amount" in his system at the time of his death, consistent with someone taking Vistaril for allergies. Hubbard was attended by a fulltime physician -- Gene Denk, MD -- a longtime (non-Sea Org) Scientologist who remained one till the end of his life -- and whose wife of 30 yrs recently showed up on Marty's blog.

In Dianetics, by the time you are only a crummy clear and not powerful OT8, Hubbard said there were no allergies. He said Dianetics was as consistent as Chemistry of Physics and he tried it on 270 people. So his having Vistaril in his system shows the cult to be a lie either way.

Bilbo
Bilbo

What a sucker!

Monkey33
Monkey33

"I'm 77, I don't give a fuck!" Most inspiring spiritual message I've heard all week!

Xenu Caused Our "Body Thetans"
Xenu Caused Our "Body Thetans"

The Wall of Fire incident added to the R6 implants equals the 4th dynamic engram. (This in summary is confidential “upper levels” Scientology history, which explains L. Ron Hubbard’s “secret” scriptures.)

Xenu is a famous Scientology ancient alien space leader. Xenu is the one who 75 million years ago caused the Wall of Fire incident. Xenu caused the R6 implants, and Xenu is responsible for the whole 4th dynamic engram. Altogether Xenu mass murdered billions of humanoids, and then he had them all mentally implanted (the R6 implants). Us normal earthlings today, we ALSO got mass murdered long ago by Xenu, and we were also implanted with the mental implants (R6 implants).

Xenu did this 75 million years ago, and the site of this mega mass murder and mental implanting was earth.

Billions of humanoids were shipped to earth, on Xenu’s orders, for this mega mass murder and implanting.

“Body thetans” (bodiless souls that still roam earth today, without bodies, these “body thetans” float around and attach themselves to EVERY human being on earth STILL today) are those billions of souls from the dead humanoids that Xenu had mass murdered.

On the cover of the Dianetics book is a picture of one of the volcanoes where Xenu had the mass murdering take place. Xenu had hydrogen bombs set off next to a dozen or so volcanoes, and the humanoids were brought to the volcanoes, and all were blown up and thus murdered.

“Body thetans” are souls. “Body thetans” came from these mass murdered humanoids (actually aliens from other planets brought here to earth to be mass murdered by Xenu).

Today, in a Scientology church, after a Scientologist goes “Clear”, then the Scientologist has to go to one of their “Advanced” churches. They have about 6-7 of these Advanced churches spread out around the world for the world population of Scientologists.

The local Scientology churches don’t teach the Xenu story nor do they teach how to get rid of your “body thetans.”

But only the “Advanced” Scientology churches teach about the Xenu tragedy. Normal Scientologists DO know about the “Wall of Fire” though. Normal average Scientologists do know about the 4th dynamic engram. The “Wall of Fire” was the fire windstorm that swept around earth, due to all the hydrogen bombs going off at the volcano sites. The “Wall of Fire” killed everyone on earth at that time.

All the dead souls of all these dead humanoids and earthlings, were then implanted for 36 ½ days, and everyone got the R6 implants, which is a bunch of crazy ideas.

But average Scientologists don’t know who Xenu is, nor do they even know the term “body thetans”. Hubbard made the words “Xenu” and “body thetans” confidential and secret to all “lower level” Scientologists.

Average Scientologists know only the “Wall of Fire” and the “4th dynamic engram”.

“Xenu” and “body thetans” are confidential words, which Scientologists are not even allowed to say publicly.

Average “lower level” Scientologists are not allowed to look on the internet and read the leaked Scientology confidential scriptures, or they get in big trouble.

For this reason, the “lower level” Scientologists have an imperfect and very partial understanding of their religion.

Even the “upper level” Scientologists are disallowed by Hubbard’s penalty rules to even say the words “Xenu” and “body thetans” in public, nor are they allowed to explain what I am trying to explain simply here.

Hubbard thought that a “lower level” Scientologist upon hearing what took place on earth, hearing the details, that the “lower level” Scientologist might start thinking too accurately about the 36 ½ days of the implanting, and get mentally “spun in” by all that old implanting being remembered suddenly.

On Scientology’s “upper levels” OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 today, and only at Scientology’s “Advanced” churches, do Scientologists learn about Xenu, about the “body thetans”, and learn how to get rid of their “body thetans” (exorcism, Hubbard’s got a telepathic exorcism procedure that is taught at the “Advanced” churches). The “body thetans” are a liability to us, because they leak snippets of the 36 ½ days of mental implanting into our minds.

So Xenu is just the bad guy in Scientology’s version of history.

And “body thetans” are just the dead and implanted souls of billions of humanoids mass murdered by Xenu and implanted by him, 75 million years, but these “body thetans” are hitchhiking on all of us, leaking mental garbage into our minds.

We in the public domain thus can have a fuller understanding of Scientology than the average “lower level” Scientologist. And we can discuss this belief system and the theory of why people on earth are mentally messed up (the R6 implants which leak from the minds of the “body thetans” into our own minds), but Scientologists are kept from understanding this until they reach the “upper levels”.

Only in the public domain are people free to learn about the Scientology “upper levels” so that the public can choose beforehand, whether to spend the years and effort to reach the “upper levels” where one exorcises one’s load of “body thetans.”

Caroline
Caroline

Isn't it sad that whenever anyone leaves Scientology they are suddenly a nobody. The same tactics were used against Jason Beghe when he left and no doubt will be used should Travolta or Cruise leave.What other "religion" makes it a point to smear those who decide they no longer want to leave? What other "religion" spends thousands of dollars to send four upper level members halfway across the country with silly, matching t-shirts and cranium cams to stalk an ex-member? While other religionshave soup kitchens, children's hospitals and homeless shelters, Scientology has, well, Louanne aka Jeanne, aka Berry aka.....who do nothing all day but troll the internet looking for ex-members to smear.

Perhaps Louanne should consider logging off for an hour or two each day to help find Shelley Miscavige, the wife of Scientology 'leader' David Miscavige, who hasn't been seen or heard from in 3 years.

LaughingAllTheWayToTheBank
LaughingAllTheWayToTheBank

NOTE: The "average" Scientologist is NOT allowed to read this article or any other article that has anything negative to say about Scientology or it's deal leader. They only read what they're told to read. In most circles that's called MIND CONTROL.

The ONLY people making comments on this story that reflect negatively on Fairman or positively on the organized cult of Scientolgy are their OSA people.

OSA: Office of Special Affairs - the cult's very own Gestapo-like wing.

RC61Austin
RC61Austin

According to the Internet, Y & R has two ....friends of Tom... Michelle Stafford and Sharon Case.

Mark Cabian
Mark Cabian

Who the heck are you Louanne? This guy has actually been in a movie... not just slaving away over a laptop for OSA. For someone that you assign zero meaning, you sure do know a lot about him. Why would you know so much about him if he is a nobody?

Since we're quoting ElRon, mind if I jump in? L. Ron Hubbard sez, "Check the elections for Ward 8 in Washington DC where a well-known Scientologist, Anthony Muhammad, came in fourth place and couldn't even garner 10% of the vote."

I almost hesitate to write that because I sound crazy when I attempt to misdirect those reading comments with a wholly unrelated fact. But, I learned that from watching you post Louanne. I've learned a lot about your style.

-your apt pupil

Tyler
Tyler

I am really getting tired people crying for attention after they've left Scientology. Leaving Scientology is a personal act, after all religion is a personal thing. Why seek publicity and have media amplify your complaints? There is nothing inherently heroic about leaving a religion, in fact it shows some kind of falling out and inability to resolve conflict. Why I should pay mind to this guy, I don't know.

David
David

I think Michael Fairman just wants to grab the limelight from the other ex-members who have made it a point that all their related utterances are recorded by the media. I don't think I can believe anything from a man that says "Please recognize me." Let your work speak for itself, don't beg for recognition. Oh wait, he already did it here, by telling an old story that even through time, still has no merit.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

I recognized his face, having seen it in a film at an event. But his name? Not really. If you missed that event, you probably didn't see him. The film is for new public, not long-time Scientologists.

No matter; he'll go on to get whatever roles he gets. But he'll have the nasty conscience to wrestle with that he's trying to keep others from having the same wins and gains he had--which were THE reason he stayed a Scientologist so long.

Scientology will roll onward with new people who are convinced not by actors famous or minor, but by the wins they themselves get in their Dianetics and Scientology sessions. By the wins they, as auditors, help others achieve in session.

Personal growth isn't about Hollywood types' endorsements or tantrums. It's not about who dislikes whom for what. And it's certainly not about a well rehearsed chorus of chattering whiners in synchronous orbits around the media circuit.

In the end, it's only about the individual getting his and her personal wins and finding smarter life solutions in session and from reading Ron's materials. What the hell else matters?

Skip all the victim talk. Grow some. You aren't getting any settlement money, so quit trying to set up a lawsuit, and go get a full-time job. You can't make a living selling "I hate Scientology."

To all those defecators who now damn Scientology, LRH, Miscavige and all else in their shrinking ken, I have to ask, "What were your wins that caused you to stay IN SCIENTOLOGY SO LONG? What personal wins kept you in for decades? Did you forget them? Were you lying when you said you had personal gains?

I know my spiritual and practical wins began nearly from day one--and on every level. No one can convince me "that didn't happen."

No one can ever convince me with their words that I should forget my personal experiences--and the ways I've helped others.

Go enjoy your upsets, but know that they are all in your personal, regrettably unstable universe. Mine is Gibraltar-steady.

TTFN.

John Cruisolta
John Cruisolta

Scientology is a cult. NO religion has hired goons that spy on people, defame them, and scour the internet posting as fake people in comment sections. NO religion does that. Not even do other cults do that. Scientology, you are THE ONLY creepy cult that has that distinction. congrats! Now, per David Koreshcavige, go SCOHB.

Rex Fowler
Rex Fowler

Oh I find the cowardly cult of scientology is so deliciously annoyed by the posting of "secret" materials that they tried so hard to deny existed - the internet is the ruin of Miscavige.

L Ron Hubbard claimed all that crap about volcanos 75 million years ago - but was too STUPID to realise that most of the volcanos he mentioned didn't even EXIST 75 million years ago.

WAKE UP scientology victims - YOU HAVE BEEN CONNED

It's not too late to leave, and there has never been an easier time to leave!

Anonymous is here - we will protect you!

Old OT7
Old OT7

Absolutely correct as I have done OT3. Bravo, XCOBT, bravo! What other church hides its true beliefs? Religion is free. Scientology is neither...

Jacklord1967
Jacklord1967

Well you seem to be paying plenty arn'tcha? Also doesn't seem like he's been seeking publicity either. Heroic? I don't know about that but when a 'church' makes it a big deal & f**ks w/ someones life because they don't dig what they are about anymore & REFUSES to be intimidated I'd say that they ARE BRAVE & HAVE PERSONAL INTEGRITY, yeah I think so.

Guest
Guest

Hi Tyler, it sounds like you're Louanne posting a slight variation on a theme. You're posting from the same ip as Louanne, Jeanne and KeeponLearning, right?

MarkStark
MarkStark

Around the world, more people have heard of Seinfeld, than they have of Dianetics or L. Ron Hubbard. Everyone who appeared on that show became part of TV history, even if they were on screen for 10 seconds. Of the people who who ever saw that episode, most would remember more about the Penske file, than they do the nutty content of Dianetics, if they ever tried to read that cuckoo.

For most ex-Scilons, especially the celebrities, like Jason, Larry, Paul, and now Michael, it is embarrassing to speak out, to admit you were "had," but they get angry when they are pushed, and communication being what it is now, Scientology doesn't have the power to shut them up, or even hurt their careers, which in the past, kept people like Christopher Reeve from speaking out a little more loudly against this scam.

If you don't recall, Reeve got in a little money scuffle with the cult over his bill, and at that point realized it was set up as a money-suck. So,during his last auditing session he told a Greek myth, as if it were one of his past lives, to see if the auditor or the emeter could detect that it wasn't his genuine past-life experience. Obviously, neither could tell.

Scientology can't subject any of its hokum to scientific testing, because the "true for you" thing is based on the placebo effect, which is real for some people, and it works for them.

For some stars, the cult also provides a unique system of pampering, support, friends, and out of that, career opportunities.

While it surprised Paul Haggis, when people whom he thought of as friends, like Anne Archer, wouldn't even listen to him, or communicate rationally, it isn't that surprising to people outside the cult. Hollywood people also ratted out the commies among themselves during the McCarthy period. People will do remarkable things, when they think their stability, social status, career, or beliefs are threatened.

Scientology has every opportunity to show that telekinesis, time shifts, the healing power of the touch assist and other super powers it claims are real, but instead of doing that, they just keep scamming the gullible.

People like Louanne, who can't write a decent sentence for the sake of Xenu, are the product of Scientology.

Guest
Guest

First of all, many do not consider scientology to be a religion since it is only practiced by the expenditure of a constant stream of money. That' s an obvious red flag.

You say "There is nothing inherently heroic about leaving a religion, in fact it shows some kind of falling out and inability to resolve conflict." That's exactly the kind of hogwash a scientologist would say - of course you don't want to lose someone you've coaxed to part with so much money.

I have a lot of respect for someone who chooses to explore different faiths. Or even changes religion. Most churches (unlike scientology) don't harrass you for leaving.

Oh by the way Michael Fairman was awesome in Firefly.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Fairman specifically made the point to me that he wanted to leave Scientology quietly, to "fade away" as he put it. It was only after Tommy Davis showed up on his doorstep, threatening to sue him for the cost of replacing his old films that Fairman got outraged enough to say something publicly. As usualy, it's Scientology's own actions that end up becoming its biggest problems.

Guest
Guest

Is that David Miscavige's third talking point that he just handed you a few hours/days ago? We already got some of the other points from your sock-puppets.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Michael Fairman did not ask me "Please recognize me." I was the one who asked him how people tended to remember him. Fairman also did not go looking for general press for his exit form Scientology. The Voice is the only news organization that has talked to him, and he was reluctant at first to talk to me at all. You may not like what he's saying after leaving Scientology, or that he was in Scientology at all. But he can hardly be faulted for speaking publicly about a tough decision that could negatively effect his life and career.

johnny d
johnny d

Google R2-45 K.O.LMay you will learn something.

Jacklord1967
Jacklord1967

Fact is YOU DON'T KNOW his motivations for staying in scientology, at all, you can only have an OPINION on that. Fairman has stated his reasons for leaving in plain english. Seems that he was NO LONGER GETTING WHAT HE PAID FOR & HAD QUESTIONS. QUESTIONING is verbotten in scientology & means that scientology is losing it GRIP on the will of the person in question. QUESTIONING SCIENTOLOGY IS ALWAYS BEATEN DOWN WITH "What are YOUR OVERTS/CRIMES?". He doesn't have a problem w/ scientlogy per se as much as the evil of 'church ' mangement & MIScaviges personal evil.

Also, scientology RELIES on celebrity endorsement. It is what 'Celeb Center' is for SPECIFICALLY & hubbard said so.

I despise all of it because it IS a crime on wheel & totally full of s**t. I'E' . "piltdown man used his teeth to bite others & was surpriesd by the damage he did..." ( from:history of man book by LRH). Now this was just something hubbard made up as 'Piltdown Man' was PROVED a hoax just a few years later than the books publish date. Yet anything hubbard wrote is taken as fact. His writings are packed w/ such BS & scinos are GULLIBLE

johnny d
johnny d

Hey K.O.L like I told Louanne, now pay attention :

It is not about Faith.It is not about Dogma.It is not about Religion.It is not about God, or Xenu, or anyone’s right to believe in them!

This is about a criminal organization’s ability to trample on human rights for a profit, an obscene, tax free profit.

Bob Johnson
Bob Johnson

you means "wins" like this one?

(from Advance! issue 15)

I would like to tell you of a rather interesting thing that happened to me on my way to Los Angeles, this winter. I was travelling through some rugged country and I hit a patch of iced road at a speed of over 70 miles an hour.

Then the car skidded around and off thr road wiping a post off like a match stick as it went. I simply said, "Oh hell!" and slapped a protector beam over the trunk of the body (chest and stomach area) and exteriorized out - up the side of a mountain - and casually watched the car do the most amazing flip I've ever seen. It travelled about 20 feet upside down completely off the ground and was going to come upside down on a concrete culvert.

At this point I realized, "I am not being responsible" and flipped two force beams on the side furthest and pulled the car over, right side up.

I am afraid I did this a bit too hard as it came down on the front end and side rather forcefully, and my body was damaged a bit as well as the car being a complete wreck. When it hit it bounced and came down in the concrete drain - which seemed the best for it at the time. My body was fairly well off.

I now know that my universe is real and what I decide to do in my universe affects the agreed upon universe which is real by agreement.

Lorna Levett OT VII

eyesonyou
eyesonyou

I guess you have to keep on learning. Most, if not all of the "defectors" are NOT damning the Dianetics and Scientology technology. They have stated over and over that it is the technology they want to preserve, not the squirrel activity that passes for Standard Tech in the church and has been slowly perverted by Miscavige over the years. No one wants to diminish or take away your wins. It's just that your eyes are wide shut to what actually has been happening. You know, like the frog who has been slipped into the pot of comforting warm water and...Take a look, if you dare -- your wins have given some degree of self-determinism.

SFF
SFF

Do your personal "wins" justify the criminal actions of the Church of Scientology?

All Catholics I know are horrified at the abuses committed by members of the clergy and the attempts of some of the church hierarchy to cover it up, yet Scientologists seem to pretend that all allegations against their organization are untrue?

eyesonyou
eyesonyou

Ditto, my friend.. Miscavige has had his panties in a wad ever since his coup d'etat in the 80's.. Any good that Dianetics and Scientology teachings have done (and there has been some good) has been co-opted by the fascistic control that now pervades the cult. Like all that have gone before, it is eating itself into extinction.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

So...? Apparently...?

You must think you're right about some of that?

Jacklord1967
Jacklord1967

Defies credibility right? If this was so why did Lorna 'allow' said car to do a flip & not engage in a more...productive display of talents & keep the event from going even that far along in it's destructive arc. The answer to that of course is that the scenario being discussed is a delusion or never happened at all. Show me a copy of the accident report please.

Wu Kapauw
Wu Kapauw

Oh, man! Thanks for the perspective. What a load of hooey Hubbard sold to folks, and convinced so many to believe it for themselves. No quackery there, eh?

Ah, Scientologists: cult of lying liars and the liars who lie for them. Oh wait - it's not a lie if it's "true for you", right? Louanne asks what keeps so many in so long - it's hard to own up to the 'sunk cost' of having bought into such a crappy scam.

Ask any ex, like Fairman, Haggis, et. al - all intelligent folks. To paraphrase the popular song "waking up is ha-ard to-o do-o!"

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

If even .05 percent of what you allege were actually occurring, law enforcement agencies from municipal through international would have loooong ago put a stop to it. We don't live in the Wild West, you know.

But such governmental agencies--facing responsibilities for their utterances that irresponsible bloggers do not--have not responded, or have found nothing upon which to act.

I'm sure each time one of the defecators or aprostates comes ranting into their office, the sub-clerk to whom they are now relegated quietly asks:

"Did you bring any tangible proof this time? A cell phone photo? A complaining note you sent Mom? Anything at all? Anything??"

FYI, as soon as someone comes up with *TANGIBLE PROOOOF*, I and thousands of other Scientologists will be clamoring for anyone responsible to be removed and expelled for GROSS violations of LRH policy.

But you can't confuse ALLEGATIONS with proof. That's what gossip columnists have done to the American mind.

The allegations are especially deflated when they are refuted on their face by the TANGIBLE PROOF of people's travel itineraries, videos of public events, etc.

So, if you can learn to discern between fact and word, we could try to communicate.

Otherwise, resume your conversations with Tinker Bell.

johnny d
johnny d

"So"?? WTF ?"k.o.l" or Louanne, or who ever you are "So"??Explain yourself, you are okay with the "churches" abuses??

Katie
Katie

(cont)Although I could go on, just one more for now.--1997 Scientology lost suit for libel after they tried to smear the prosecutor who had the temerity to bring the earlier criminal case for breach of the public trust against them. They ended up having to pay the prosecutor 4 million dollars plus fees. The Canadian court said, "Every aspect of this case demonstrates the very real and persistent malice of Scientology."

Katie
Katie

Hubbard was convicted of fraud in France in absentia in 1978, that's why he lived at sea and other places where he could not be jailed.He was also named an unindicted co-conspirator along with Kendrick Moxon in the Operation Snow White affair that garnered 11 federal convictions including Hubbard's wife.

CoS:- convicted of fraud in France Oct 2010, and at least two prior occasions.-head of Scientology center conivcted of manslaughter in the death of Patrice Vic, court found they drove him to suicide.-Rex Fowler, convicted of first degree murder 2011, after killing the finance officer for his company who had discovered that he was funneling money from the company to scientology for paying for courses. -1996 3 Scientologists convicted for tampering with a witness in a case against Scientology.- convicted in 1992 in Canada of breach of the public trust for infiltrating the offices of the Ontario Provincial Police and Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General. Seven members were also convicted for actions against the police, ministry and RCMP.-shut down by the Government in Greece for obtaining its license under false pretenses,trying to smear a priest, brainwashing, disconnecting kids from their families. Assets liquidated.- 2010 Italian police in Turin raid Scientology headquarters and discover files being held on people in government and high positions, including non-scientologists-in Russia, the public health officials have outlawed the purification rundown as a threat to public health Shall I go on? I can, you know. I haven't even begun to get into the deaths associated with Narconon and the charges and cases from that..

Jacklord1967
Jacklord1967

Sure they have. How about operation snow white in which hubbards own wife & 9-10 others went to federal prison ? WHy do you think hubbard was on ships throughout the 60's because he was wanted for tax evasion.

Caroline
Caroline

Yeah, John Gotti used to say the same thing. Scientology is sort of a Teflon cult, just as he was the Teflon Don. You know how that ended for Gotti, right?There's a prison cell just waiting for Slappy McSlaps-a-lot and those men hanging around in dark suits and glasses? They aren't there to "learn more". They're FBI.

All crime syndicates eventually come to an end. Scientology's is just going to be more enjoyable than the others.

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