Rightbloggers Enjoy The Birther-rific Quasi-Candidacy of Donald Trump

tomt200.jpgIn case you missed it, Donald Trump is sort of running for President. He's shown his seriousness about this by speaking at the CPAC political convention, and by taking a job at Fox News.

That Trump might push this self-publicity campaign all the way to the 2012 Republican convention is expected by no one sane, which leaves many rightbloggers out.

But even some of those who doubt Trump's sincerity are grateful that at least he's bringing attention to the serious issue of Obama's birth certificate.

Trump first leaked a little birtherism early last month, telling Good Morning America that he had "a little doubt" about the President's background.

Later Trump went further, noting to Geraldo Rivera that Obama "spent a lot of money to keep this [birth certificate issue] out of print." (He admitted he had not seen George W. Bush's birth certificate, but he was "sure he has one.") Trump also brought his act to The View (Whoopi Goldberg suggested his claims were racist, which Trump later called "insulting") and was praised for his "valuable service" to birtherism by Rush Limbaugh.

True Disbelievers were ecstatic. Birther Report said that Fox News -- yes, Fox News -- "is in complete damage control mode... CAN YOU SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!?... they can't ignore the power of Trump. Don't let up, Trump!" They also claimed Army Lt. Colonel Terry Lakin had been "sent to prison for asking the same simple question that Trump is now raising." (Lakin was actually imprisoned for refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he was not convinced that Obama is legitimately Commander in Chief.)

To be fair, some rightbloggers found the Trump birther campaign unproductive. "There are more legit things to hit Obama over the head with than where he was born or where he was raised," said BigGator5 of RedState. "The point is, Trump doesn't really grasp the intellectual basis behind conservative principles," said Alana Goodman at Commentary, "and apparently has no interest in learning."

Yeah yeah. But pointy-head cavils took a back seat when Trump released what he portrayed as his own birth certificate as a challenge to Obama. "Exclusive to Newsmax: Trump's Hospital Birth Docs," roared the birtherrific rightwing site, and showed a small certificate with a little seal in the corner.

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Call that a "birth certficate"? It's crooked! And why the shadow? What are they trying to hide?
"Donald Trump Shows His Birth Certificate: Now He Wants To See Obamas," said The Warning Signs. "Barry Soetoro - Can Not Hide From Himself - Donald Trump," headlined Morning Liberty Radio.

Some took the old Birther-with-an-Explanation approach. "I remain convinced that Obama is a citizen... but it is odd that Obama has refused to make a full release of his birth certificate," said Say Anything.

Democrats for Sale was interested in Trump's claim that "even in the classes he supposedly took at Columbia, no one remembers Obama. Something is not right and we have to wonder if at Columbia he studied in a foreign country as part of their program." Wheels within wheels! Maybe that apartment he allegedly lived in was a front, too.

When it was suggested that the document Trump gave to Newsmax wasn't a real birth certificate, Trump provided a more legit photostat version, and kept calling for Obama to put up.

Left Coast Rebel suggested, reasonably, that this switcheroo had been Trump's plan all along. He counted this as a triumph against the "Lamestream Press," which made it a positive in his book even though he doubted Trump's sincerity as a candidate.

Others felt similarly. "In the end, Trump will not run and will not be successful in getting Obama to release the long form of his birth certificate," said Right Wing Thinking. "However, Trump might very well succeed in diminishing the sting of the 'birther' label." Sharon Rondeau of The Post & Email, Inc "sent by fax, email, and certified mail to The Trump Organization in New York City" a lengthy missive offering "to meet with you via telephone or in person to further discuss the evidence against Obama and those who put him in power."

It may be helpful to note here that Obama's Certificate of Live Birth (that is, his birth certificate) has been viewed and photographed. But the issue persists because, polls suggest, many if not most Republicans choose to believe in it. And while many rightbloggers are pleased that Trump is playing directly to that crowd ("Trump is accomplishing in two weeks what some lawyers and pundits have been unable to do in two plus years"), more practical rightbloggers weren't so happy about it.

At RedState, for example, gawken speculated that if Trump brought up his birther theme at a Republican candidates' debate, the liberal media would unfairly use this as an excuse to talk about it ("These people are NOT impartial, they aren't our friends...they are working diligently, every day, to defeat us, and the principals we advocate").

Birtherism is supposed to be a Republican secret weapon -- accent on the "secret." It may be hinted at, as the more believable Republican candidate Mike Huckabee did when he said he'd "love to know more" about Obama's birth certificate, but always with plausible deniability, lest independents be alienated. To paraphrase Kirk Lazarus, you never go full birther. That's why the bigger rightbloggers like Instapundit mainly drop intriguing related items about Obama's heritage ("DONALD TRUMP: You know, I think that Obama fellow just might be a Muslim") without getting too deep into it.

Still it's a tonic for the troops, as shown by The Last Refuge's endorsement: "I'm rooting for THE DONALD to keep beating the progs over the head with an issue I don't give a hoot about."

And seeing as it's early in the election, some of the boys and girls actually took the time to explain what else they liked about Candidate Trump.


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Drummer70
Drummer70

LMAO!!! A blog chock full of libtards!!! While I think it's comical that the righties are still trying to dig up proof that Obama isn't eligible to be president, it is even MORE amusing how all of you lefties keep your heads in the sand and refuse to even question it. Not that matters at this point.... The damage is already done. GW Bush and Obama have BOTH proven why forcing through legislation that only one party crafted is a problem. The healthcare bill will prove to be a disaster just like no child left behind has been... for the same reason... The good ideas from the other side of the isle were completely ignored. Right now BOTH parties are a disaster since they have both moved towards their extremes, which is the source of idiocy in both parties. Anybody who isn't open minded enough to listen to the other side and seriously think about their ideas is a moron. Unfortunately, that pretty much sums up the majority of Washington DC these days... Including the clown who is currently in the white house, and the clown he replaced.

HMDK
HMDK

Wow. That is the rambling of a 17 year old who thinks he's smart.Both parties have gone to their extremes?While, yes, the Republicans have gone to total insane rightwing nutcase,Democrats have gone... care to take a guess?Well, here's the answer anyway: Further right, and are now occupying a place the Republicans used to hold. Both parties have not just moved right, but done so knowingly and with donation-dollar-signs in their eyes. Not donations from common voters, though, nahh... donations from the already ultra-rich, It always amazes me to read right-wing americans saying shit like the Obama white-house is socialist and shit... Are you fucking kidding? I live in a country where the U.S. Democrats would be considered far right, and we have it better here than you ever will unless you get over your weird obsession with stomping on your own dicks. The U.S. is rich, rich beyond imagining. It won't ruin your country to actually tax the richest among you, so that all benefit. Besides, a healthy workforce is a more lucrative workforce. Stop trying to resurrect the Pinkertons or trying to drag your whole country into the dark times of early industrialization.

ktheintz
ktheintz

If Trump "doesn't really grasp the intellectual basis behind conservative principles, and apparently has no interest in learning", then he's light years ahead of Alana Goodman at Commentary. So give him his due.

Andrew
Andrew

Why would he need to attend 'collage'? He can already cut and paste.

Roy T.
Roy T.

The Republican presidential candidate clown car just keeps getting fuller. I honestly can't decide who would make a more entertaining campaign: Trump? Gingrich? Palin? Is there no end to the embarrassment of riches here? Can God truly be such a Democrat?

Drummer70
Drummer70

Well, the same could be said for the democrats in 2004. When John Kerry is the best you can come up with, that's a problem..... John Kerry just wasn't likable. Obama on the other hand, is likable. The GOP really DOES have a shot at winning the white house in 2012 because of the economy.... If it's still in the tank on election day, the Dems will be in trouble because people will blame them for not getting the economy turned around, just like they blamed Bush for causing the recession. Keep in mind, the truth doesn't really matter here because perception is everything when it comes to getting elected. The recession is proof of that.... BOTH parties caused it.... The Dems for deregulating the banking industry and pressuring banks to make all of those bad loans, and the GOP for deregulating the stock market which allowed the problem to become a lot worse than it should have been. However, since most Americans believe the president has a LOT more power than he really does, Bush took most of the blame for the recession, and Obama will as well if the economy doesn't recover in the next year or so. With all of that said, the GOP will NOT win back the white house if they can't come up with a good candidate to run against Obama. It will be just like the Dems in 2004 when they couldn't come up with anybody better than Kerry.

J. Pacicca
J. Pacicca

Trump's tactics are his usual mode of manipulating the press by his unconventional conventionalism. He, at best, is an American amusement, not presidential material.

R. Porrofatto
R. Porrofatto

Right-wingers see themselves as victims of the crime of electicide, sentenced to years of punishment because an ignorant populace legitimately elected a Democrat president. As usual, (see Clinton, impeachment of) the solution of these self-proclaimed law 'n order types isn't to go win their own election, but to get themselves off on a trumped up technicality, pun intended.

Drummer70
Drummer70

The same could have been said of the lefties who claim bush somehow cheated in the 2000 election...

Specialist G
Specialist G

Well, there is the inconvenient fact that Al Gore got more votes, not just in the country as a whole, but specifically in Florida. Whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not, it holds a lot more water than your birfer (preffered spelling) fantasies.

Ben Rush MD
Ben Rush MD

You question folks' sanity but you seem to back a candidate so devoid of a position that "FORE" should be his campaign slogan. However, I agree that Trump is enjoying the publicity as always and is not a serious candidate - or even a comedic Paulsonesque candidate.

Leeds man
Leeds man

you seem to back a candidate...

I assume you mean Obama. Has anyone here expressed support for him, or are you "reading between the lines"?

commie atheist
commie atheist

"FORE" should be his campaign slogan

Obama? I thought he was talking about noted golfing President "now watch this swing" Bush.

Snarl
Snarl

Woot, good job, Roy! The birther lunatics are crawling out of the woodwork to relitigate their case. Are they related to bedbugs?

Fearguth
Fearguth

Re: 'John Wayne Toilet Paper': On a float trip I took down the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon several years ago, our portable toilet was affectionately referred to as "The Duke."

TR7
TR7

i think this is the deal: no matter that nearly all records, files, documents and virtually anything else which creates a paper trail of obama's past has either been sealed, lost or have some discrepancy involved, i think basically no one on the left will ever admit it because i really think THEY DON'T CARE. i really think they don't care where he was born or if he's muslim or a communist or marxist or whatever.

i remember having a conversation about obama's eligibility with a co-worker and after some discussion on whether he was born in this country or not, she stated in all seriousness, "does it really matter?" i was like "oookay." end of conversation.

in my opinion, the way the left views the question of obama's eligibility situation is quite similar to the way they view the illegal immigration issue. many on the left favor complete and total amnesty for illegal immigrants. remember, many on the left make up the open borders crowd and support the santuary city phenomenon as well opposing the elimination of automatic citizenship for infants born in this country to illegal immigrants. they also oppose establishing english as the official language of the united states. all these issues and more are what constitutes the leftist agenda. many times, with respect to all the points mentioned above, leftists usually fall back on the race card to discredit anyone who supports enforcement of anti-illegal immigration laws and concepts. similarly, people who question obama's eligibility are marginalized and accused of being a racist.

in summary, i think the issue has reached the point where it doesn't make any sense trying to persuade leftists and the leftist mainstream media of any possibility that obama may in fact be an illegitimate president or in the very least that serious questions exist with respect to obama's eligibility. same goes for certain rinos who, for whatever reason, also do not want to even entertain the notion.

that said, if obama were truly a transparent and honest individual, he would cast aside his ego for a second, show his full and complete long form birth certificate and prove his distractors wrong.

Drummer70
Drummer70

Well said TR7. Then again the race card ALWAYS gets played whenever a non white person doesn't like something. It's a shame because it makes it less meaningful when there really IS a racism issue. Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf people? Keep in mind, the same leftist media chose to endlessly talk about Sarah Palin's lack of experience while completely ignoring Obama's lack of experience. So much for honesty in the media huh? The same can be said for the conservative media outlets as well when it comes to spinning things however. The bottom line is Obama's reluctance to put all of his records on the table is EXACTLY what keeps people questioning his eligibility to be president. If he really has nothing to hide why hasn't he had all of his records released? And for the libtards out there, if Obama was a conservative, you would be questioning his eligibility. Your blind hypocrisy is what makes you stupid.....

GeoX
GeoX

You're a very stupid person in oh-so-many ways.

cleter
cleter

*sigh* You know John McCain wasn't born in the US, right? Why weren't Republicans concerned about that?

zuzu
zuzu

in summary, i think the issue has reached the point where it doesn't make any sense trying to persuade leftists and the leftist mainstream media of any possibility that obama may in fact be an illegitimate president or in the very least that serious questions exist with respect to obama's eligibility.

How can we miss you if you won't go away?

ktheintz
ktheintz

In the real world, birthers are the people from whom one backs away slowly and says "hookay", not the people saying "so what" to those birthers.

Ignobility
Ignobility

in my opinion, the way the left views the question of obama's eligibility situation is quite similar to the way they view the illegal immigration issue. many on the left favor complete and total amnesty for illegal immigrants. remember, many on the left make up the open borders crowd and support the santuary city phenomenon as well opposing the elimination of automatic citizenship for infants born in this country to illegal immigrants. they also oppose establishing english as the official language of the united states. all these issues and more are what constitutes the leftist agenda.

Actually, this is your agenda. The left isn't all that interested in your bigotry.

Al_Swearengen
Al_Swearengen

You should prove that you have more than 2 brain cells, because you're failing miserably at it.

Ben
Ben

It must be obvious to you why people who question Obama's eligibility are marginalized and accused of being a racist. You know, because they didn't do this to Bush, Clinton, Gore, whoever else, but they are doing it to this black guy. And it seems like nothing is going to disprove them, even, you know, all the proof that's out there.

So why don't you believe all the evidence? How much evidence do you have that you were born the United States? Sorry, you can disagree with his politics but saying he wasn't born here is nonsense, and makes you look like a racist.

GeoX
GeoX

i really think THEY DON'T CARE. i really think they don't care where he was born or if he's muslim or a communist or marxist or whatever.

Hate to break it to ya, but NOBODY cares except you and your batshit crazy conspiracy-mongering pals.

Ben
Ben

...Or even if they do care, they've noticed that he isn't a Muslim or a communist or a Marxist or whatever. He's a center-right Christian who was born in Hawaii.

GeoX
GeoX

Man, it would be SO SWEET if Obama actually WERE a Secret Marxist. Alas, it just ain't so.

Leeds man
Leeds man

prove his distractors wrong

Oops, Freudian slip!

TimTom
TimTom

Trump would be a great President. At least he has run businesses successfully, unlike the community organizer in office.

Ben
Ben

Yes, because the government is a business and has nothing to do with community service.

Al_Swearengen
Al_Swearengen

Ha! Great joke!

The Short-fingered Vulgarian took daddy's money and bankrupted a fucking casino. Twice.

It's just testament to our reality-TV culture that there are morons like you that think he's some kind of great businessman just because he "plays" one on TV.

Emix
Emix

Do you know how hard it is to bankrupt a casino! It aint easy. It takes super human skill. Maybe Trump is super human.

UnholyMoses
UnholyMoses

In what universe does "multiple bankruptcies" = "[running] businesses successfully" ...?

I've said it before, and I will again: million of people in this country are convinced all of human history happened from 1980 - 1988, and then from Jan. 20, 2009 - Present. Anything else in between never existed, or somehow doesn't count.

It's like they joined a cult ...

StringonaStick
StringonaStick

Oh, exactly so! What's one more Trump bankruptcy amongst friends?

Tex
Tex

The left completely ignores that Obie the I Won has multiple problems with the eligibility issue. None of which have been cleared up. The Democrat Party of Hawaii REFUSED to certify him as eligible. Pelosi removed the eligibility statement from the nomination letter to the states. Why?

#1 USA law and treaties with England at the time of his birth required his mother to live in the USA for 5 years past her 16th birthday to convey NATURAL born citizenship as the SOLE USA citizen parent. That means 21 years old and she gave birth at 18 years old with the father as a British Subject. This gives him duel citizenship, USA and British, which is NOT a NATURAL born citizen and a constitutional requirement for President.

#2 The document his campaign posted on the internet is NOT a long form birth certificate. His sister has the same document and she was born in Indonesia as an Indonesian citizen. Hawaii pasted the short forms out to immigrants in that time period and the state will not accept them even to get a driver’s license. He needs to produce a long form.

#3 If he was born in Kenya, as his Grandmother on his Father’s side has stated, with a minor aged mother and a British Subject Father he is a British Subject.

#4 He admittedly attended public school in Indonesia and you cannot do that unless you are an Indonesian. If his Step Father, Loto Soetoro, adopted him or his mother renounced his citizenship and naturalized him as Indonesian, he is currently an illegal alien.

#5 There is good reason to suspect he attended collage on scholarships reserved for FOREIGN students. Who knows for sure as ALL his collage records are sealed.

#6 In his book he talks of his travels to Pakistan at a time when USA citizens were banned from travel there. He could not have received a visa with a USA passport and likely traveled as an Indonesian.

One question, why has Obie the I Won spent somewhere between 2 million and 8 million dollars fighting (at last count I saw, 68 suits) in court to NOT show his records?

GlockPalin
GlockPalin

Uh, none of that is true.

#1: If you are born in the US you are an American citizen, no matter how old your mother was at the time.

#2: Hawaii never gave birth certificates to people born elsewhere. It's a birther lie.

#3: Yeah, and if he was born on Mars he would be a Martian. But he wasn't.

#4: Also a pack of baseless speculation and nonsense.

#5: Oh, well, if a bunch of racist serial fabulists think there's *good reason* to believe something for which the is absolutely no evidence, I guess we should look into it, huh?

#6: US citizens were not banned from travel, they were advised against it. No remotely the same thing.

Angry Geometer
Angry Geometer

If you spent half as much time trying to find a job or a woman other than your mentally handicapped sister willing to have sex with you as you spend on making up new racist nicknames for the president, you'd be much better off in life.

You might even be able to attend "collage"!

Proper Gander
Proper Gander

What is the Democrat Party of Hawaii, and why should any sane person care what they have to say about eligibility of a member of the Democratic Party?

I'd tell you to take your meds, but i suspect that it's the non-prescribed ones that are to blame. Lay off the pipe, tex

tr7
tr7

it's typical how left-wing writers and bloggers will do everything in his or her power to paint trump or others who question obama's eligibility as nut cases, loonies, crazies, etc. this writer does it as does chris matthews, chuck todd, anderson cooper, et al. however, none of these people actually try to debunk any of the assertions being put forward with clear facts and meaningful discussion. they always fall back on the "ridicule your enemy" nonsense. they try to marginalize people who raise this question. of course, they point to the certificate of live birth and the newspaper announcements, which they know full well is not sufficient to prove a persons place of birth. yeah, the passport office may accept such nonsense however it's not what is being requested. then, they talk about how bush did this or that. that may or may not be true, however, the question remains.

well, they think they're really cool and savvy being so dismissive however it is said that more than 20% of the nation believes obama was not born here, then that's roughly 60 million american citizens and that's a whole lot of people asking a very simple question: just show your complete original birth certificate and move on.

zuzu
zuzu

yeah, the passport office may accept such nonsense however it's not what is being requested.

Yeah! What does the passport office know about determining citizenship, anyway?

it is said that more than 20% of the nation believes obama was not born here, then that's roughly 60 million american citizens and that's a whole lot of people asking a very simple question: just show your complete original birth certificate and move on.

Which leaves 240 million American citizens who aren't complete idiots.

synykyl
synykyl

...20% of the nation believes obama was not born here...

20% of the nation does not know its ass from a hole in the ground. Strangely enough, it's the same 20%.

Drummer70
Drummer70

Those who blindly refuse to even question it because he's a member of their preferred political party suffer from severe cranial rectosis.

synykyl
synykyl

There are a lot of Republicans and independents in the 80% that reject your ridiculous claims. Those folks are not blindly partisan, they are sane.

cleter
cleter

You know John McCain wasn't born in the US, right?

Drummer70
Drummer70

You're right... He was born on an US military base in Panama. His parents were stationed there. That is a different argument than the argument about where Obama was born. Military bases are considered US soil... no matter where they are. Also keep in mind that nobody questions where McCain was born. With Obama, that IS the question.... Given it's pretty silly that people are still up in arms about it...I think it would be in the best interest of the Democrats to have known for sure before the primaries because imagine what would happen if it turned out he wasn't? I could picture every bill he signed being repealed among other things, which would be a disaster for the democrats. Not to mention the HUGE chunk of credibility the dems would lose as well. THAT is why I think Obama probably IS eligible to be president. That still doesn't change the fact that his reluctance to release some of those documents fuels the argument for those who believe he isn't eligible, and therefore, makes little sense in my mind.

Angry Geometer
Angry Geometer

Donald Trump released two birth certificates (flip-flopper!) Neither one was a "long form birth certificate". Why? Because such a thing doesn't exist, not at any time or in any state in the United States.

If you don't know that, it's probably because YOU weren't born in this country. Please go back to your home country and quit dumbing down the USA and mooching off of us. We have enough homegrown idiots we need to feed, thank you very much.

zuzu
zuzu

Actually, the long form does exist, but since it's not a vital record but is what the hospital completes and submits to the office of vital records which DOES issue the official Certificate of Live Birth, it contains private medical information of the mother, and so it is not required for much of anything (nor can it be released publicly due to medical privacy concerns except with the permission of all parties whose medical information appears on the record, and the ship sailed on that one when Ann Dunham died). My understanding is that in Hawaii, about the only reason you'd need one is to prove that you're a native Hawaiian.

Nevertheless, someone who had official access to the long-form certificate kept on file with the state of Hawaii looked at it and confirmed its existence and validity. These jokers just won't accept that.

Drummer70
Drummer70

While that may be true, why not release it to the public? It's obvious that some people aren't going to let this rest until they do. I know I would just to put an end to the question once and for all. Then again, those who are convinced Obama was NOT born in the USA would likely claim that the document was bogus anyway... Even if it was proven to be legit. It just seems to me that be being reluctant to release those documents, all Obama is doing is fueling the argument for those who believe he is ineligible to be president.

Epac
Epac

If he did actually wave his birth certificate around, how disappointed would you be? LOL....

Drummer70
Drummer70

If Obama actually DID wave around his birth certificate, the whole birthing thing would go away instantly, yet he has yet to do that. Haven't any of you lefties EVER wondered why? I would think that it would be in Obama's best interest to put it out there and make the whole thing go away. It would be a LOT easier than having to defend his eligibility to be president over 2 years after he was elected president don't you think? I'm not saying that he isn't eligible to be president, but NOT putting is completely beyond doubt just doesn't make any sense.

coozledad
coozledad

In America, we use capitalization and punctuation. Where the fuck are you from?

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