Scientology Stalking Richard Leiby, Part 2: Frenemies Among Us

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Ida Camburn
This evening, former high-ranking member of Scientology Marty Rathbun made public additional secret documents which he says outline Scientology's investigations of Washington Post reporter Richard Leiby.

Wednesday, Rathbun released a document which showed operatives for the "church" investigating Leiby's 2005 divorce by sorting through his ex-wife's garbage.

Tonight, we get a document which reports how information about Leiby was gathered by using people he trusted as friends.

A friend asked Leiby how his trip to California was. He said that it was terrible because of the rain. They know each other through Ida, and she knew he had been in California working on an article. The topic initially was Ida and some concern about her health.

It took me a while to register who this "Ida" was that is mentioned in Scientology's document. But then I remembered. And then I really got angry.

For years, when I was doing some of my own investigations of Scientology as a reporter in Los Angeles, I would receive e-mails from a kind woman named Ida Camburn. She had been fighting Scientology since losing her son to the organization in the 1970s.

She lived in Hemet, near Scientology's secretive desert headquarters, and she tirelessly tried to expose Scientology's abuses, earning her the nickname "Queen of Critics" among ex-Scientologists.

When you're in this business, let me just say, you deal with all sorts of people. Some of them are incredibly helpful, others waste your time. Some are a pleasure to deal with, others try your patience. No one, in the 16 years I've been reporting on Scientology, was more pleasant and helpful than Ida Camburn.

Last year, Ida passed away. If she were still alive, I suppose she would not be surprised to know that Scientology was so concerned about her activities, it cultivated a mole that knew both her and Leiby.

In the document, this "friend" who knew them both reported back to Scientology that Leiby was apparently showing some frustration on the job:

Leiby said that he has been busy working in other priorities. When the friend wished him good luck on his story on Scientology, he went down tone. The friend commented that he did not appear to be enthusiastic about it. Leiby response was, "sometime other things take priority and you get taken off something and don't get excited any longer." Leiby said that it would take some months before he does anything with the Scientology story and he said it as if he had no idea himself of when this would be. He then told the friend that he doesn't have an exact timing or deadline to do it. The friend wished him well and ended the conversation.

I talked to Rathbun tonight, and he explained to me how he knew the document had been unaltered since it was smuggled out of Scientology. I asked him why he thought it was a significant item.

"I'm exposing a technique," he said. "I want to show to what lengths these people will go. That they will spend years to get people close enough to you to get the information they want."

An additional item in the document reports that an operative spoke to Chuck Beatty, a well-known ex-Scientologist and critic of the church. Beatty supposedly tells the operative that Leiby is a better reporter than many that call him with dumb questions.

Beatty responded with a comment in Rathbun's blog, asking if he needed to check his records to try to figure out who this spy was. Rathbun tells me that Beatty is now doing just that.


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up


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36 comments
ScamProof
ScamProof

 All I can say is thank you Tony for never letting up on your exposure of the horrible tactics used by this creepy cult. Scientology took my husband (who is in his 60s) for everything he had. They went after his retirement account, advised him on how to raise his credit limits so he could give them everything he could borrow, took everything he had worked for all of his life, ruined a 26 year marriage, drove him into bankruptcy and destroyed a family. We are trying to pick up the pieces now. I have never seen such ruthless manipulation in my life! I am busy organizing the whole story on a blog and will be interviewed soon for a documentary exposing this cult for what it is. I can't wait to tell our story so other unsuspecting people can't be harmed this way. They are ruthless and the silence of the victims is one of their best tools for continued existence. Keep them under the microscope, please!

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Ok. Chuck Beatty verifies that this document exists. And it's not surprising, as he knew he was being messed with at the time by the church's seekret spy department (OSA) because of his exit from the cult, the media attention it brought at the time and his subsequent activities in helping others leave and in reporting abuses within. He posted at usenet group alt.religion.scientology just a month before the date of the document Rathbun posted about, that he'd been contacted by 3 people, all of whom were very amature in trying to pose as critics of the church. So this document was most likely provided to Rathbum by ex Church exec Mike Rinder, who ran OSA and has since defected. Good for providing this document. Lets see them move on to producing the real stuff, like reports turned in of spying on people like Leiby/Defino, and other reporters and journalists because they dared to report the facts about this totalitarian organization.

subgenius
subgenius

 Just saying hi Tony, your work is much appreciated.And to Theresa (thanks for posting) and all others who have been hurt by $cilontology, all it takes for this evil to triumph is for "good" people to do nothing. Fight back.Ida, I wish I could have hugged you, but I know how much the rise of anonymous gave you comfort. You lost a son, but gained over 9000 new children. This was a life worth remembering and learning from.Something in my eye  

A Real Critic
A Real Critic

It's disturbing how Marty says "these people" (scientologists) while dodging the fact that he is still in and doing nothing more than gathering intelligence for David Miscavige while pretending to be some type of critic. He's a flaming hypocrite.

Scientology victim
Scientology victim

Please keep doing what you're doing Mr. Ortega.  You're setting an example of courage and fearlessness for other journalists to follow.

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

 Thank you Tony for exposing the truth!  We appreciate you, so does Ida.

anony
anony

RIP Ira, you will be missed.  OSA cooks at it again, trying to prop up a dying cult.  Ironic that they were the ones that killed it. 

MarkStark
MarkStark

Now is the time for all good journalists to come to the aid of their profession, and to report on the tactics of the cult of Scientology. Thanks for doing so Tony.

Scientology's "plants" are being outed. If only Katie Holmes would wake up to the fact that Jessica Feshbach is a cult operative assigned to befriend and "handle" her, not a real friend. The cult couldn't risk another Nicole Kidman, where the zombie wife wakes up and doesn't respond properly to "processing."

Jeffrey Lebowski
Jeffrey Lebowski

Scientology's 'Religious Freedom Watch' website still has a profile on Ida Camburn as an 'anti-religious extremist'.  Even after she has passed away, they will not let her rest in peace.  Even her son still has a letter posted speaking out against his mother....  absolutely disgusting.

Jeffrey Lebowski
Jeffrey Lebowski

Scientology's  'Religious Freedom Watch' website still has a page on Ida Camburn as an anti-religious extremist.  Even after she has passed away they will not let her rest in peace.  Her son still has a letter posted as well.... absolutely disgusting.

 http://www.religiousfreedomwat...

Theresa Defino
Theresa Defino

Going through my trash and whatever else was done and might still be being done is far worse than this. 

Em.
Em.

Belly crawling phonies!!!  What can we do?!?

Guestusa
Guestusa

What a creepy and chilling violation of decency and all that is sacred!! OMG. That seems unbelievable but I know someone it happened to :-( !! "Justified" Betrayal. Isn't that what terrorists do...justify destructive betrayals of fellow human beings?

I suggest anyone who knows a Scientologist who has had parting of principles with the Corporation do a quick scan of any people who seem odd or overly suddenly "friendly" or pushy and asking questions.

OMG!! Scientology is sinister, and the spotlight is on the members who pretend quite an opposite image ...friendly, self-righteous world savers. Scientology has ruined itself and anything positive Hubbard hoped for. The people are walking examples of dullard cowards. PROTECT yourself ...what a sad gross story. Thank you Tony Ortega, Thank you Mr Rathbun!!

Johntyler
Johntyler

A study in mental health is the activities that Scientology Frenemies stoop to to defame obviously good people! Photoshopping images, calling them names, writing banal comments, insipid robot patter ...and THEY HAVE NOT CLUE how obvious they are.

Randall-Say No to Sleaze
Randall-Say No to Sleaze

Thank you, Tony Ortega. The irony of the Scientology Corporation is their duplicitous polarity. You come in and it's admiration and ideals and honor and ethics. A friend of mine paid in over $150K for services and after that, THEY think they own HIM and can slander, libel, follow, defame, terrorize and deceive. Where is that?

What gives Scientology Corporation the right to harass and libel people? Every time I turn around there's something new about this Corporation's unconscionable tactics. Thank you and thank you all standing up despite attempts to crush you. No amount of "help" "bettering the world" justifies this kind of sleazeball operation.

PPLONGBO
PPLONGBO

Marty needs to come clean on his crimes whilst in the organization. What is he trying to cover up?

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

 And the hits justa keepa comin' Tony!

Thank you!

Theresa Defino
Theresa Defino

You know what, Mary, let's NOT where I'm concerned. I want the documents myself to see what they reveal but I have no desire to serve the needs of any current, future, former, ex, indie or whatever `church' members. I have no connection or interest in this organization. I asked Rathbun to give me what he has; no shock, he has not replied. You can find me and email me if you want to chat off line.

Florent O.
Florent O.

Yes. Disgusting. -  And the turd on top is the twisted audacity of the name of their publication. Freedom Watch? Right. It's the exact opposite -- Religious Slavemaster Watch.

Katie
Katie

Sorry you went through all that Theresa. 

Susan Meister
Susan Meister

Who knows what Marty is up to. Its plain he's lying about "revealing a technique" and "the lengths these people will go to" because that pattern was exposed back when Paulette Cooper was being Fair Gamed.  Take the time to Google that story, Theresa, if you haven't already. Believe me, you got off light compared to the illegalities Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder were involved with.

PPLONGBO
PPLONGBO

How many people do you know that have been affected by disconnection? I do not expect an honest answer from a scientologist, we all know that Hubbard told them its okay to lie, cheat or even kill in the name of scientology.

Guestusa
Guestusa

Scientology tactics are unAmerican. They are an epic failure at what they profess to sell.

eyesonyou
eyesonyou

The only rebuttals you and the other brain-washed, Miscavige robots have in answer  to considered and thoroughly researched critcisms and/or horrific personal experiences, are "What are your crimes?" or "You're insane" That's pretty much it -- brainless.

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

 You little rat, OSA bot, YOU are just afraid of Marty exposing your crimes.   Why don't you get your stupid little midget leader in front of the camera so the world can  question him.  Oh no, David Miscavige is afraid of being interviewed because him and his dear friend Tom Cruise are criminals.

Guest
Guest

IF you have been keeping current, you would know that he is doing just that- coming clean.  He in uncovering things for the benefit of humanity. There is still a chance for you too.  

Guestusa
Guestusa

Mark Rathbun's trying to destinkify himself from rabid psychos like you who have no clue about spirituality and use it as a pretense to abuse life.

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

 You little rat, OSA bot, YOU are just afraid of Marty exposing your crimes.   Why don't you get your stupid little midget leader in front of the camera so the world can  question him.  Oh no, David Miscavige is afraid of being interviewed because him and his dear friend Tom Cruise are criminals.

eyesonyou
eyesonyou

 I personally know over 100 people who have been directly affected by the policy of  disconnection, and who knows what the ripple effect of that has been for many others It is a suppressive, disgusting and inhumane practice, shattering lives and causing pain and anguish.  Those of you robots who pretend that it doesn't exist or enable it, need to remove your heads from the sand (or some other place) and take a look. What a despicable pack of characters you all are!

GuestUSA
GuestUSA

 Hey PP.  Well lemme see. I know, personally, about 26.   But realize the scope goes beyond that because Scientology Crush procedure does not only affect the person being shunned/crushed/defamed/targeted (whichever the case, sometimes all together) but also the person's family, work, dreams, business, you know, the circle of life around that person.  It's tragic.   The horror of it is that any policy that Hubbard wrote is abused in the hands of vindictive stupid people who are clueless and will try to damage a life, ruin people, trick, lie, infiltrate, pretend to friend in order to destroy....with the conscience of a rock. 

Guest
Guest

No he's not. Post a comment about what he did while he worked for the Church, and it won't see the light of day (or you'll be dismissed as an OSA agent). Rathbun is really not much different than Miscavige. L Ron Hubbard and Scientology "technology" are the REAL source of the abuses.

Marty's just trying to make a buck by selling Scientology to disillusioned Church members, but at the end of the day he believes in the same crap, including the Introspection Rundown that killed Lisa McPherson. Remember, he tried to cover up her death, and to this day he believes that Hubbard's method of dealing with her psychotic break (locking her in a room and refusing to talk to her, which led to her death) was the right thing to do!

Theresa Defino
Theresa Defino

Really? It doesn't feel that way to me, and he's made false claims about me, twists statements I've made, takes them out of context, allows accusations that I'm a Scientologist and and when I try to rebut them, he refuses to post my comments and accuses me of not contacting him! I have NO respect for him whatsoever. 

PPLONGBO
PPLONGBO

You need to look in the mirror and say that statement, out loud. 

Bullseye
Bullseye

PPLongBo, #FAIL   :-)   Your brand of defame and descredit  gets stupider with the grwing malice of your pretend church.

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