Ashton Kutcher Attacks Village Voice in Late Night Twitter Tantrum [UPDATED]

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Ashton Kutcher is throwing a bit of a Twitter fit.

The cause? This week's Village Voice cover story, which takes a hard look at the That 70's Show star's campaign against child trafficking.

Kutcher might be hurt that the article characterized his baffling series of comedic TV spots on the issue as "fatuous and silly."

"Ostensibly about an intense issue--childhood sex slavery--the videos reek of frat-boy humor."

But Kutcher's tone-deaf notion of public-awareness advertising is the least of his problems, as the article makes clear. The bigger issue is this: the catastrophic epidemic of hundreds of thousands of child prostitutes doesn't seem to exist.

In April, Kutcher went on Piers Morgan to claim that there are "between 100,000 and 300,000 child sex slaves in the United States today." But when the Voice dug into the numbers, it found no such thing. In fact, according to police data from the country's 37 biggest cities, the average number of arrests for juvenile prostitution is a fraction of that: 827 per year.

When the story dropped, Kutcher didn't take well to having his pet project so thoroughly debunked. He let loose with a dozen Tweets last night, including the following:

Hey @villagevoice if you ever want 2 have a productive conversation about how 2 end human trafficking as oppose to belittling my efforts lmkless than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply


hey @villagevoice if you want to dispute the online data I've collected about the consumption of child porn or the hard facts from NCMEC lmkless than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply


Hey @villagevoice I'm just getting started!!!!!!!! BTW I only PLAYED stupid on TV.less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply

The Voice was happy to take up the conversation:

Wow, @aplusk having a Twitter meltdown! Hey Ashton, which part this story is inaccurate? http://tinyurl.com/3nme6l8less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply


OK @aplusk, we'll bite. Tell us the hard facts you have collected. We'll fact-check for you.less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply

Kutcher posted, then quickly deleted a tweet that said simply "I'm up now, been up." Then followed with a more reasoned tweet linking to his writing on the subject:

My perspective on human trafficking Data written June 23.. http://t.co/qAr5nn3less than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply

If you follow the link, you find this from Kutcher:

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Ashton concedes that math may not be his strong suit.
Human trafficking data is extremely incomplete due to the psychological complexity of the issue and the lack of funding that has been allocated to research. Often times the data becomes conflated due to the lack of transparency from the victims themselves.

Sex trafficking is defined as: A commercial sex act induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age

Proving force, fraud, or coercion can be very difficult considering that the victims have often times been brain washed, beaten, raped, molested, threatened, and tormented and fear revealing the identity of their trafficker. Often times what appears to be a voluntary commercial sex transaction is not. Therefore gathering a precise data set can be very complicated. In addition to this, many of the "voluntary prostitutes" are under the age of legal consent. Rough data has shown that the average age of entry into the global commercial sex trade is 13 year old. Mind you this is the average age. And depending on sexual consent laws in a particular country (18 in the US), all girls under that age fall in the category of sex trafficking victims. This alone accounts for many of the "voluntary prostitutes". One must also consider a girl who may have been brought into the sex trade by a trafficker at a young age and now has grown to the age of legal consent. Even though this girl may now be choosing to sell her body for sex, given the pre-existing circumstances, it's extremely difficult to assume that she would have made that choice had she been given prior free will.

However there is a great minority of women who do independently choose to sell their body for sexual services. Rough estimates say 20%. These women are often times rolled into sex trafficking statistics due to poor accounting or NGO's who are unnecessarily compounding numbers based on moral bias.

Ashton is basically conceding he uses "fuzzy math." What he doesn't tell us is that the problem he and Demi are touting on a media tour is a vastly inflated epidemic.

If Kutcher's serious about solving the problem and wants to be a "real man," he'll support the Wyden/Cornyn Sex Trafficking Bill, which actually helps the victims affected by this horrific crime.

UPDATE:
Kutcher's twitter-battle with the Voice didn't stop there. See the rest of the exchange after the jump:


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Denzel231
Denzel231

I think it's ok to bring awareness of child sex trafficking, or prostitution in general, it's supported by all kind of actors like Timberlake etc. but .... the press has reacted negatively. That surprised me and that brought confusion to the whole thing, I did not expect the press to talk so negative about DNA foundation and its movement. I think DNA is cool and should grow. If some people would start reacting less emotionally in this forum and be more mature...it would certainly help. I guess there are always only few people who really care and the rest just follow...but as already mentioned, DNA is a good cause, there is a lot to do, but one thing is sure, they are not the first ones to fight child slavery or prostitution of kids and young adults and adults. They are just supporting those, who already started doing street work for example. So, please, think before you judge and write crap here! And if you can't help it, then you have to forget to call yourself mature and responsible. Cuz somebody who is responsible, does not make fun of people who want to change the world to a better one! That's as if you believed in the guy who shot John Lennon. If you believe in certain things, u defend them, which I am doing. If you don't believe in certain things, you break them down. Which people do, when they cuss at Ashton & Demi & others who are working for DNA with a direct thought. I think VV is making a mistake with its backpage, but the sorry thing is that VV is certainly, as already said, not the only paper doing this shit. Just one last thing: if I get to see or talk one of these dickheads of the press who dared to say that DNA found. and those involved are doing the wrong thing, I might loose it. That simple. The press is doing the worst thing ever by talking bad about DNA, they have done it, they will do it again, but that I do not forgive! That is the biggest shit I ever heard off! I have worked with organisations, similar to DNA and know what work is and working to help peoples lifes, and all that for nothing! So I do not accept the press to destroy all that important and necessary work just by talking bullshit. I have given many hours, months, years of my life to get people out of drug addiction and other terrible situation, I have done that with organisations similar to DNA and I believe in it. It was good work, it has helped others to survive, which is the reason for DNA, so why destroy the good PR of Ashton Kutcher with for example videos against human traficking etc.?? Why make fun actually? Because this is how I felt when I heard they were criticising the videos made by Kutcher & co.I would like to know what some people think, when they live a rich, fullfilled life, with their family and with their wealth, while other people are being sold for sex! There is a terrible unfairness in our society, and it starts with money unbalance. Now, either the press will support DNA found. or they will have a big problem. Life is unfair enough with a lot of persons, don't make it worse. Help the right people to fight big problems in the world and don't point out to them with your finger when you actually do not understand anything at all.

 

Denzel231
Denzel231

I think, the persons 'in charge' of these prostitutes, or similar, just did not think or expect this situation to be exposed the way it is being exposed right now. Same for VV, they thought that nobody would care about their ads, actually it is surprising how 'loud' this situation has become. I think it's important and good, although it is a battle which will take a long time to develop and an ever longer time to end. That is why it has been a tabu for all this time or it was something 'dirty' nobody wanted to talk about or mess with. But the dirt has become so much, that now it has finally become an issue. Of course there is the need to get organized, because these people need support in every way, I mean the people who have to prostitute themselves. Just by putting them to jail or by sending them back home, is not going to solve anything. It will only start again, only more silent and more hidden.

j b
j b

In my city of 3 million people there was only 1 confirmed case of child prostitution on CL before all these morality squad DERPs had the adult section banned.

They found a 17yr old girl that voluntarily whored so she could buy a new iphone. She was never a homeless crack addict or pimped by anybody. She lived in an expensive suburban home, had her own car and normal family. Some girls are just sluts and don't care. Also, she never got the chance to whore because the same DERPs reported her ad to the cops immediately as suspected underage, and she was picked up before anybody could pay her for sex.

There was no cyber mafia of organized child pimps. If you want to see what that looks like go to any Cambodian border town. They pimp out the Viet children because in their culture they are worth nothing. The girls are sold to traffickers because their toothless villager parents are penniless and a girl's life isn't worth much to begin with in the 3rd world so might as well sell her. If Ashton wants to change something find a tiny village with a bunch of kids and give everybody $20k. That wouldn't even dent his wallet, and would actually result in less child trafficking. Or, bribe the cops the same amount of money to actually do their job and shut down the border brothels. Match whatever bribes the child pimps are paying and one up them. Could probably do it for $5k

A real solution (direct money) not blowing important funds on commercials and newspaper ads to promote your own celebrity. Find a villager with a bunch of girls and give them cash, put the twitter and soap box down

Hurrdurr
Hurrdurr

Kutcher is a little weasel, he's already trying to rat backpages.com to lawyers and cops in order to force remove all the consenting adult prostitution and using the bullshit hype of child sex trafficking as a scapegoat.

If girls can't post ads, they will end up back on the streets and put themselves at risk to actual real pimps, not vapor cyber pimps that don't exist.

Deeznuts
Deeznuts

Kutcher STFU you ass wipe

V. vardaman
V. vardaman

I'm afraid it's hard to take Ashton seriously, due to fact that we do not know him, we only know his image that is projected to us through the media and the roles he plays.

JOR
JOR

Wasn't Ashton cheering and preying upon the exploitation of teenage girls as sex objects, even though it was all just an act?wwwdotyoutubedotcom/watch?v=PZmE_V_9PRw

Archmage_lo
Archmage_lo

Figure 75,000,000 people in school 3-26.24/75,000,000, 3,125,000 people  divide by 2 because we only care about girls... 

Figure if 300,000 girls every year, then will average out to 300,000 per age group.

Comes to 1 in 10.  That's right....

According to Ashton Kutcher, 1 in 10 girls are being sold into sex slavery.

http://www.census.gov/schools/...

G in NYC
G in NYC

Funny something like this comes from a mag that makes all their cash through the softcore porn/happy ending offers in your back pages.  Wow I really have lost every ounce of respect I've ever had for the Voice as a result of this embarrassing attempt to pick a fight with a "dude" (and co-opt some of his much-larger audience) who (regardless of fuzzy math) is obviously trying to do something of value.  I'm no puritan but really VV - you can't find anyone doing anything more egregious to attack?  It's really a pathetic attempt at leveraging his brand and I'm done with you.  For the first time I have a reason to be glad print media is dying...

Hillsmanh
Hillsmanh

Mr. Kutcher is looking at this complex issue in a thorough and, therefore, accurate way.  He is more likely to be correctly representing the situation with his statistics, assuming he is honest, than any fools looking at arrest numbers for their idea of sex trafficking's scope.  Any basic education in crime numbers/reporting would include that certain crimes are vastly under-reported/difficult to identify quantitatively.  Keep up the good work, Mr. Kutcher.  Consider two things (1) not giving specific numbers if you don't have them - if it's complex, talk about it in a way that represents that, and (2) disengaging from Twitter-land.  While your article is informative, it could have been disseminated to the public in some other way, and this back and forth bickering is beneath you and the issue you represent.  Thank  you.  

Mandyt
Mandyt

I'm really dissapointed by the Village Voice. You have so many resources that could help so many teens in trafficking, homelessness, drug addiction, etc. And yet you've chosen to spend your resources disparaging the people who are actually addressing the problem. It would be really great if you'd all stop blowing smoke up each other's butts and actually do something productive to address this problem.

Ggearity
Ggearity

Village Voice, you're suggesting that if Kutcher were serious he would support the Wyden/Cornyn Sex Trafficking Bill..... but the press release you link to (jointly released from the offices of Cornyn and Wyden) states: "According to FBI estimates, more than 100,000 underage girls are exploited for commercial sex in the U.S. each year."

So.... what are you really trying to do here? I think it's clear you're firing at an easy target for media attention, and not doing your proper research.

BradWilliamson
BradWilliamson

P.S. 

Snark -- You're doing it wrong. It's not funny, at all.

BradWilliamson
BradWilliamson

Hahahaha! Village Voice are such hypocrites! 

Almost half of your newspapers consist of adult services ads! You think all those ads are really driven by adult services? So naive...

Grow up. Who cares if Ashton's figures aren't 100% accurate? It's a worthwhile cause, no matter if it's used to gain publicity or not.

Denzel231
Denzel231

if Kutcher thinks he's saying intelligent stuff by getting angry at these people of the Voice, he's lost complete vision of reality. This here is the little fish, it's the big ones he should get angry at. Ok, so they might have prostitutes on the backpage, but I think then he should aggress every newspaper on this planet. It's a sad thing, I agree, but common, he's just doing it with the wrong ones. Instead of keeping his aim high and catching the real perverts. He's right, but only to 30%. That's all. Sometimes one can loose ones aim, and I am afraid that's his problem. I read these adds everywhere, I just don't react to them cuz not interesting. So why get angry with the Voice? Ashton, get your act together and let them be. Keep your eyes on Demi!

frog
frog

if Kutcher thinks he's saying intelligent stuff by getting angry at these people of the Voice, he's lost complete vision of reality. This here is the little fish, it's the big ones he should get angry at. Ok, so they might have prostitutes on the backpage, but I think then he should aggress every newspaper on this planet. It's a sad thing, I agree, but common, he's just doing it with the wrong ones. Instead of keeping his aim high and catching the real perverts. He's right, but only to 30%. That's all.

AmeliaA
AmeliaA

Funny how this blog entry left out Ashton's tweets about the Village Voice's classified ads being used as a venue for escorts and prostitutes.  Like he tweeted... how many of those ads did this publication age-verify.

iamcuriousblue
iamcuriousblue

Take-home message of "Team Ashton": It's OK to make shit up for a good cause!

kenneth
kenneth

WoW V.V. are you realy this effn! stupid you talking about arrests!! i even think ashtons number could be low. V.V. fire the idiot who wrote this article and the one who  approved it or better yet sell there a$$ 

Irene
Irene

Village Voice, your defensiveness and low-blow counter-attacks wreak havoc and prove that you know you're in the wrong. Your final line is blatantly ignorant. If you truly are against human trafficking, you support ALL activists' efforts, there is no room for bringing one down to boost another. The mission is unanimous, end sex slavery. PERIOD.

What you are doing here, is trying to salvage your pride and your image, you're not helping the cause whatsoever. it has nothing to do with numbers, it has to do with honesty and your classifieds are indeed supporting the supply part of this horrible happening. That's a fact and there isn't anything fuzzy about it, it's plain and simple. 

The truth is, you have allowed this sort of advertising and that constitutes contributing the trade. Instead of blah-blah-blahing about this in your cowardly defensive ways, just bow your heads, do the right thing, shut up and purify your classifieds and put an end to your participation in it, that's all. Perhaps you can regain your journalistic integrity by doing the right thing; which is siding with the good guys and that does indeed just so happen to be Ashton Kutcher, Demi Moore and all those who are fighting this crime.

Or, just put your heads in the sand and shut it because karma will run its course.

Reflecting Pool Discourse Blog
Reflecting Pool Discourse Blog

This will mark the absolute end of my #villagevoice fellowship.  A bogus (disingenuous) @villagevoice data challenge issued by V-V in 'Bad Faith' - for purely self-gratification ego purposes ("I gotcha" self-ejaculation).  For all the #villagevoice dolts and ego-strokers that are listening (or coherent) - Figure it Out.  Child Sex #traffickers, as of this writing, are NOT faithfully registering their businesses, their business activities nor are they registering the names of their victims.  Any notion that YOU, the @villagevoice super-sleuth geniuses, have managed to conclusively arrive at a reliable, plausible number of victims, is so ludicrous that it is tantamount to a "psychotic break from reality" (de minimus - "an acute narcissistic personality disorder").  They probably believe the U.S. gov't unemployment figures are gospel too.  Yikes!  The #villagevoice needs to stop fondling itself via delusional egotistical diatribes that trample extremely important issues.  The #villagevoice has trashed an important issue regarding defenseless "child victims" and left us with a patently bogus, fraudulent counterfeit that trivializes this problem.  I'm disgusted with the @villagevoice and I'm outta here - for good.

Caustic_Commoner
Caustic_Commoner

Bad facts undermine a good message, reduce its relevance, or lead to irresponsible actions, like, I don't know, searching WMD's in Iraq. Even one child trafficked for sex is one too many! But hyperbole hurts, not helps.

Mr. Kutcher would do this cause, and himself, more good to re-assess the facts, admit any inaccuracy, apologize if wrong, we're all human, and move forward with credible figures. After all, it's not about him and shouldn't be about him. If it is, then the kids lose again.

Mademoiselle B.
Mademoiselle B.

I fully believe that DNA are presenting inaccurate facts and I commented on the initial article. I also agree that the visibility they are able to bring to the issue means they have a responsibility to present the issue and the facts in an ethical, unbiased manner. I concede that they have not really taken the time to inform themselves on the agendas, motives and strategies employed by the big players or the background of the "anti-sex trafficking advocacy" machine/industry.

That said, I don't think DNA intentionally set out to misrepresent the real extent of the problem and I certainly don't believe they are motivated by or attempting to further an agenda, as is the case with those who initiated the shock-campaign. DNA, in my opinion, is guilty of not doing their homework before irresponsibly repeating false information but they are not guilty of fabricating it themselves. That's why I'm a bit puzzled by the Voice's choice of approach. I fail to see how a full-on attack of the "messenger" can lead to real dialogue or positive results. It also leaves most of those guilty of fabricating the false numbers essentially off the hook, which is ridiculous and doesn't accomplish anything.

I think it is a poor and counter-productive choice of strategy and this is pretty disappointing. To those of us who have looked past the shocking headlines, inflated numbers and are aware of the motives and agendas - there is no doubt that inaccuracy of the figures is real, that many of the claims are unsubstantiated and that none of it would hold up under scrutiny. There is no need for attacks or vendettas when simply exposing the truth is all that is necessary. And personal attacks do not really inspired people to rethink their positions or consider your arguments because they're usually too busy defending themselves or attacking back.

I hope the Voice will reconsider the way it has chosen to handle it because right now the point is being lost in the emotional, egotistical and macho, personal battle. That is a real shame, not to mentioned a wasted opportunity for all involved..

Kimd
Kimd

you've convinced me. Underage Prostitution is no longer a problem in America. Got it! Thanks VV! 

Texpwr
Texpwr

While sex trafficking of any kind is deplorable,the "fudging" of numbers is nothing new.Just look at all the resources used to "combat" the sex trade in Dallas during the Super Bowl,which resulted in hardly any arrests at all.

mjm
mjm

let's get a couple of things straight here:Kabbalah is up there with Scientology with the cults. Madonna turned to it because Catholicsm is not recognizing same sex marriages (umm, hello Madge, get your head out of your ass and come back to NYC). Demi Moore is mentally unstable (history of suicide in her fmaily)

Tomato
Tomato

Gotta love comments by Greaseho and others: You guys are the village idiots. There's a big difference between 300,000 and 800 and change. Get a grip on reality. In reality, you are a cople of people posting over and over under different names. Anybody who actually read the story -- and who has half a brain and no vested interest (read: is making money off this being a gigantic national problem) -- can logically disagree. Oh, and really gotta love the moron who says VV didn't check it's facts. Sheesh, this retard wouldn't know a fact if it bit her on the ass.

Denzel231
Denzel231

why does one have to make Ashton pay for a sick society? Whores r sick, inside & outside & even if they r poor & Ashton is rich, does not mean he's responsible, period.He fights a good cause & to talk about this issue is a big step forward, cuz it's a taboo. What u r talkin about is not Ashton's battle field, then u would have to pay the kids money too, & a lot of other people who r rich. No, the issue here, is what can we REALLY DO FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS who r obviously on the wrong road?! There should be places where they can go to & talk & open up & solve their problems in a better way than with prostitution. That's all, there is only this way I can explain this to you. Cuz these individuals r in financial need, certainly, & the government does not give a damn, so somebody has to give a damn. That is what DNA org. is trying to do without too much religious stuff, cuz that is not a good way either. So I wish their Organisation a the luck in the world & all the help in the world. I certainly want to help them, cuz I know about too many individuals, who had financial problems & DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THEM QUICKLY.

Denzel231
Denzel231

that's what I think also. That's the point here. Making a big deal out of little fish, will never get him where he wants to go, or where DNA wants to go. He's just reacting over emotionally to something. Maybe he's really honest about this, but he has to see the consequences this is powering off. I think his cause is absolutely right, but the way to fight the cause is extremely important. What ways is he using here? I think there are better ones. I also think he and Demi have done more than enough right now to wake up the ghosts and wake up the minds of those involved. Now he should let it happen & see what will happen. To work at something does not always have to make a lot of noise!!!

iamcuriousblue
iamcuriousblue

Yeah, really, who cares about facts? You can prove anything with facts!

Irene
Irene

DO NOT lose sight of the collective moral goal. In the aftermath of all of this, the TAKE-HOME message if your home is where your heart is, is: It's NOT OK to contribute to sex slavery in ANY way.

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

Why didn't you just say "I believe the ends justify the means" and leave it at that?  No need to go on a whole tirade against truth in journalism.

Irene
Irene

....Essentially it DOES have to do with numbers...ages especially and the FACT that these stats are of a horrific magnitude but what you, Village Voice are arguing, is clearly not truly about "numbers" per se, it's really about saving face. Where's your conscience?

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

And nothing of value was lost.

Max_Power75
Max_Power75

  Wow "(history of suicide in her fmaily {sic})" means "Demi Moore is mentally unstable"? Is that a guilty by association tenet of psychology? Or, the most likely case, you are just making stuff up because you do not like Demi Moore. Creating "facts" or delusions, using the terminology of psychology, based on your feelings about someone could also be an indicator.that someone "is mentally unstable"

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

This article really brought out the DERP Squad, didn't it? How these commenter(s) managed to interpret the VV's article to mean that child prostitution doesn't exist is beyond me.

Team Ashton
Team Ashton

They obviously did NOT check their facts. If they had, they would have learned something and written this article in a different fashion. Did they once say how many underage individuals have been exploited in the sex industry? NO. Because the numbers don't exist! Did they bother to state that? NO. Because they're incompetent.

The Village Idiot has an agenda. While they're criticizing Ashton Kutcher's ads, maybe they should take a look at their own with a critical eye.

iamcuriousblue
iamcuriousblue

Actually, I don't think it's OK to support slavery, either sexual or nonsexual. But the real issue is that the "abolitionist" movement has been throwing around some pretty skewed definitions of slavery, treating all forms of sex work as slavery by default while ignoring nonsexual forced labor. And supporting some pretty ass-backwards policies of trying to drive all sex worker advertising off of the internet and back out on to the street, something that's not exactly helpful. Kind of analogous the Canadian religious activist mentioned in the article who has been trying to prevent sex workers from being able to hire body guards because they *want* to make sure the activity is harmful.

iamcuriousblue
iamcuriousblue

Well, I don't think it's OK to contribute to slavery either, Irene, sexual or otherwise, but the neo-abolitionist movement hasn't exactly made a positive contribution in this regard. It has pursued a policy that has underplayed or ignored the larger context of forced labor (which exists in both sexual and non-sexual forms) and instead diverted this effort into a moral crusade against commercial sex, under the dubious claim that it is *always* slavery. More about this in another article from yesterday's Daily Beast that in my opinion deserves as much attention as the Voice one: http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

This policy has culminated in current misguided efforts to drive sex worker advertizing off of the internet, as if driving sex workers back on to the streets is in some way helpful. Its part of a larger hijacking of the human rights movement by faith-based NGOs (aided by feminist antipornography groups), and is close cousin to such policies as abandonment of a larger movement for intellectual and religious freedoms in favor an agenda focused on "persecution of Christians". This deformation of the human rights movement has been going on for the last 10 years and high time for it to be called out.

Irene
Irene

While I appreciate your paraphrasing, Mr. Eric, sir, "the ends justifies the means" simply doesn't do justice any justice here. I'm not on a tirade AGAINST truth in journalism, I am for it and this such scenario is important because journalistic portals such as this one, abuse their power. If all journalists were in it for goodness sake, they would have superpowers, the kind that would render them more and more successful in theor chosen vocation and both professionally and spiritually, the kind of success that would contribute to saving humanity, especially with regards to this cause... that VV is working against, not for. There are ramifications to all negative actions and intentions and that's why TRUTH in journalism is important to touch upon, because true TRUTH is having a conscience, doing the right thing, not egotistically trying the shift focus off the REAL issue in question.

mjm
mjm

celebrities = Derp squad

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

Wait, I'm confused: are you talking about the innocent people being duped, or the innocent children being enslaved? Because from the sound of things, there's a lot more of one than the other.

Irene
Irene

 It never makes me happy to know that some people prefer to fight over numbers than to fight to save innocence.

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

It never makes me happy to know that some people prefer to remain misinformed.

Irene
Irene

Yah, as long as you're happy...

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

If defending people who check and report on facts is the "wrong" side, then I'm happy to be "wrong."

Irene
Irene

You're defending the wrong side, Eric. I'm really sorry to see that. All the best. Peace out.

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

Your continuous rationalizations against telling the truth are also unwelcome.

Irene
Irene

your vagueness makes no sense and it's wholly unwelcome.

MrEricSir
MrEricSir

Oh, so you're in favor of telling the truth, but not the whole truth.  Got it.

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