Scientology Spy List Exposed? Marty Rathbun Ups the Ante on David Miscavige's Secretive Crew

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Marty Rathbun continues to deliver bombshells at his blog.
Marty Rathbun dropped another bomb on his blog today, making public what he says is a secret list of Scientology's spy network in the western United States.

Rathbun is a top former Scientology official who defected in 2004 and in recent years has become the chief source of heartburn for current Scientology leader David Miscavige. Once an enforcer who helped Miscavige battle Scientology's enemies, Rathbun is now openly trying to recruit away church members by exposing Scientology's most damaging secrets.

Many of Rathbun's most recent document releases have come from the files of the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology's covert-operations wing, which, among other things, provides surveillance of perceived church enemies through the use of hired private investigators as well as volunteers from among the ranks of ordinary Scientologists. Rathbun posted what he says is a recent list of those volunteers, outing several hundred people as willing spies for the church.

Twelve years ago, I wrote a profile of one such OSA volunteer, a woman named Tory Christman who was used by her OSA handlers to keep a watchful eye on Internet criticism of Scientology. She willingly helped OSA until suddenly, and dramatically defecting entirely from the church.

The list Rathbun is making public is more than just a list of names. Each person is identified by which part of the country they are in, which Scientology "org" they are affiliated with, how far along they are in their Scientology training, what area of expertise they might be useful to OSA, other talents they might have, and finally, whether they are "trusted."

There's a well-known actress on the list, for example, who I have heard is particularly gung-ho in her dedication to Scientology. Her usefulness to OSA is listed as "political actions and Criminon," referring to a program that Scientology claims helps prison inmates. Her other identifier: "Is a celebrity."

We noticed that one person who chimed in early about Rathbun's posting was Michael Fairman, the character actor we wrote about recently after he made public his excommunication document from the church.

We called up Fairman, who said he was surprised to see his former manager on the list of supposed spies.

"She was my manager. and then she wanted to stay after I came out and was declared, it was very bizarre," he told me. In other words, even after Fairman had made public that he was leaving Scientology, his Scientologist manager still wanted to work with him. Now after seeing this list, it all makes more sense.

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Michael Fairman, as a Firefly baddie
"I don't know what their actual duties are," he says, referring to what actual work the volunteers on the list might have performed for OSA and its secretive operations. "I just know that these are the Kool-aid drinkers, people dedicated to do the church's work. It's actually sickening that they had this network of people. It's disgusting."

Fairman recognized three other names as Scientologists who had tried to do an intervention on him when he decided to leave the church. One was a fellow actor, identified as "Celebrity and Comedian" in the secret database.

"It makes sense that they would end up on that list. But what they were trained for or asked to do, I don't know," Fairman says. "It just kills me that they have a list and train these people to work for the OSA. It's pretty scary. What the hell is that, in a church? I mean, what the fuck is that?"

Meanwhile, Fairman tells me that he's been experiencing some of the same intimidation that Rathbun has been going through. Rathbun and Mike Rinder, another former top Scientology official, were recently in Los Angeles and had dinner with Fairman. Several days later, three Scientologists, one carrying a videocamera, showed up at Fairman's door, reminiscent of the "Squirrel Busters" episode at Rathbun's house that we wrote about earlier.

Fairman says he called police to scare off the Scientology goon squad.

Meanwhile, Fairman also tells me that the ABC station in Los Angeles interviewed him about the intimidation attempt for what he believes will be a multi-part series coming soon.

"Things are heating up!" he says. "I mean your articles and this [Janet Reitman] book, and I guess [Lawrence Wright's] book is coming out soon. Miscavige is, I'm sure, twirling like a top right now, because he's being hit by a lot of different sides."


tortega@villagevoice.com | @VoiceTonyO

Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link


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Sue
Sue

I'm not a scientologist, never have been, never will..just decided to follow up on something I felt was "not right".  Not that I can do much but I support the cause, it needs to be looked into for sure!

Ron
Ron

Anonymous type protestors have had better luck bringing down Middle East autocrats than Scientology. Ah well, the Scientology Spring is coming eventually...

sketto
sketto

Can't wait to see Miscavige in prison where he belongs. The day is coming, Davey Boy!

figaro
figaro

can't believe how scientology is so insecure by reason of its paranoia & at the same time suffers illusions of grandeur underlined by its supposed tech & policies.Many idealogies & cults suffer the same symptoms as does scientology.because they lack real truth dabbling rather in unnatural fantasies filled with wishful thinking. 

candace6
candace6

This is just delicious.  Every day brings a new PR disaster for the Scientology crime syndicate.  Meanwhile not a peep from Tommy Davis, which leads one to wonder if poor Tommy is doing time in the RPF. 

anjullyn
anjullyn

$cientology.....always worse than you think.

Zach
Zach

This is new information is helpful. However, this kind of thing has been standard applied Scientology since the 1960s. What it means is that Scientology is still "On-Source," and doing what its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, instructed be done.  

mjm
mjm

Jenna and Bodhi aren't the only celebs on there:

Denice Duff from 'The Young and the Restless' is on there as well (fyi: that soap employs two other Scientologists, Sharon Case and Michelle Stafford)

Untasered
Untasered

This looks like someone's spotty recall. 

Jim Dandee
Jim Dandee

Does having your own private Gestapo disqualify you for having tax-exempt status as a religion in the US?

MarkStark
MarkStark

This is good stuff. Of one Natalie H. the entry reads:

 "Actually right now I do not use her on anything sensitive, because she has a PTS situation and just never seems to get into an Org to get it handled."

I'm sure Natalie would love to know this is how they feel about her, and how she is in their record as untrustworthy on their rat/spy list, for her "case" which is supposed to be confidential. LOL.

Marty has fulfilled his "potential" of being a trouble source for this cult. He should be called a FRTS (Fully Realized Trouble Source.)

Guest
Guest

 Tony for a Pulitzer, yes plz!, he's done the due dilligence and has stayed on-task

Anonymous
Anonymous

You're no stranger to what scientology is and how it operates, Tony, so you'd surely have asked yourself in the most recent years of Scn Inc having a blow-torch applied to its belly as at what point will a Federal investigation begin. I don't mean an "investigation" about the likes of labor laws or human trafficking etc, I mean the kind of investigation that is reminiscent of the kind of raids at LA back in the 70's.$cientology may be taking heavy hits in the PR department, but as you know, the crime cult have a knack of bouncing back pr releasing another of it's tentacles disguised as "good for the community".

I cannot help wondering how many operatives $cientology has strategically placed in and around the corridors of power and law enforcement.

Look at what $cn got away with in France (all that disappeared evidence) before they got a piddly fine and still operate there.

You've seen a lot over the years Tony(and wrote plenty too), but you and us all are yet to see the sword of justice decapitate a multi-billion dollar enterprise/business cloaked in religion courtesy of the I.R.S

Keep at it Tony!

PamEllis
PamEllis

How many "religions" have an OSA-type organization?  This is too funny.

Mike
Mike

The only proof that this is a list of spies is the word of Rathburn...and you guys beleive him hook-line-and-sinker...

Torrbelgium
Torrbelgium

I wonder if anyone who has trained and lived and worked n that culture can ever shake it off. There is rampant distrust! constantly evaluating people whether they are cool, trusted, PTS, SP or whatever.  I don't think it's possible for Scientologists to ever have or be real friends because of that damage. Pathetic sick puppies :-(

HolyBaloney!
HolyBaloney!

O.M.G. Looked at the list   JENNA ELFMAN is a SPY for Spyintology!!! She does look kinda beady-eyed.

Mike
Mike

"Here is a list of communists in the State Department...oh, I mean OSA spies..."  I think it odd that a Church would keep a list of loyal volunteers that can be counted on.  You guys are so gullible.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Yes, Ron, but is fun to see them try. Actually, I feel sorry for them; because what new game will they have when they finally realize they were wrong about SCN (that it is not against them).

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Anonymous is a force of nature, like the climate, the ocean tides, the geo-forces of the earth and the mysteries of the skies.

David Miscavige is about as capable of "handling" anonymous as I am capable of handling a forest fire with a water pistol.

Scientology is doomed. It's already an international global joke to most people. When those people figure out that scientology is much worse than they initially thought, and not really much of a joke after all, all the doom will descend. 

Expect it.

Guest
Guest

 Yeah sure OSA, total lack of detail and it looks like it was written on the back of a napkin /sarcasm

MarkStark
MarkStark

Mike Rinder was head of the OSA, and then main spokesliar for the cult. He knows about this type of thing. The OSA (and before that the Guardian's Office) has been enlisting operatives from the time they framed Paulette Cooper and before.

MarkStark
MarkStark

This morning I read Marty's comments, and Natalie's is one of the first ones. She and her husband (who was her PTS situation I guess) have been out. It looks like the list is about 2 years old.

The more volunteers the OSA enlists to follow protesters and write their license plate numbers down, or shill on the web, or any work of this sort, the more of them who leave.

Pre-Interent, hiring professional PIs to harass by following people was probably one of the better alternatives for the cult. If they engage too many members in activities of this kind, some of these people start waking up, and some may get too carried away.

I wonder what Jenna Elfman's OSA task is. She's probably supposed to badmouth Jason Beghe, Lugli (An Italian singer), Haggis and other celebrities who leave or speak out, to control the climate in the celebrity cult community. That's just my guess.

PamEllis
PamEllis

Several people are working on a searchable spreadsheet version of this list to make it easier to review.  Why Marty was too lazy to do that already, I don't know.

And Mike...yes, one must take info from Marty with a grain of salt.  He still has a cult mindset and thinks Hubbard was great and not a lying narcissist.  But several of the names I have already seen are people working as agents for the cult and I have seen them at many protests. 

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

No, it's spelled R A T H B U N and "believe" has that 'i' before 'e' thing happening.

Are all you $cientologists on this internet beat illiterate or flummoxed by keyboards? Whatever the case, keep it going so that we never run out of lulz.

Zach
Zach

Proof? Scientology has been doing this sort of thing since the 1960s. Proof? See L. Ron Hubbard's written instructions revealed during federal criminal court case 78-401. You may remember that Mary Sue Hubbard was sentenced to Federal prison as a result of  that case, while her husband, L. Ron, ran and hid.

sizzle8
sizzle8

I know some of them. And I know that they've worked for OSA in covert ops.

Guest
Guest

 Well you can't even be honest or forthright about being a Scientology staff OSA member here to "handle" this article so definitely no one is going to believe you.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Seems to be at least a possible recruitment list as far I can see. Perhaps a bit outdated, but John Allender is listed as Trusted and seems to be showing up wherever Marty is and even at his home. If I were a jury member...   ...GUILTY. Trying to silence others most often lends to fact there is something to hide and my opinion is Co$ has a canyon full of crimes that we have yet to hear that they want to bury. Happy Hill 10 or whatever you call it these days.

mjm
mjm

career's over Jenna, see ya...

is Kelly Preston on the list, too?

Zach
Zach

L. Ron Hubbard's written instructions on how to run a spy network go back to the 1960s. There's quite a bit of material, including books on the topic - by other authors - that are required reading for Scientology senior spies and "case officers." I hope Marty Rathbun isn't going to be telling people that this type of nuttiness started with David Miscavige, because the truth is that it started with Miscavige's mentor, L. Ron Hubbard. 

Mark Ebner
Mark Ebner

I'm with you on the "loyal volunteers" part Mike, because, in a glaring tax dodge, none of the saps on the OSA spy list are paid enough to be classified as employees. Do you realize that you've been counting on them to stalk and harass me, trespass and rummage through my trash?  Proof?  Here: http://gawker.com/5801298/secr...

Guest
Guest

 Nope, you OSA-guys think you're something like secret agents, Mike, so it would defintely be spies.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

Well, Mike, then you might be really surprised to hear that this isn't the first time that OSA's meticulous recordkeeping has gotten them in trouble. Google "Operation Freakout", when an FBI raid on Scientology offices found documents and records outlining their intent to blackmail and discredit a journalist who was writing a book about scientology.  

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

No kidding... can't these Scientologists just take it easy, man!  This isn't 'Nam, there are rules!

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Jeff ---I will not say that the world is like 'Nam --it's worse. Just take a look at how self destructive it has become. Come on Jeff, help us Scientologists make a difference towards the insanity that you will see if you open your eyes a bit more. Our country is in serious trouble.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo---  You make a good pointbut you are confusing Scientologists with people who do that kind of thing.

Also, if someone loved you, my feeling is that they shouldn't ----- (divorce you, or whatever) for the reason that you are not spending enough time with them. I should hope that they would try to help you in some way.

Thanks for your input.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Mark-Single minded focus can be good, it can help someone advance.  But single minded focus can also make you miss good advice.  It can cause you not to see the warning signs around you.  It can make you sacrifice things, like love, that you cannot replace and may never get back.  No cause is worth the price of the people that love you.  There is no justification worth wounding them so.  If a cause makes you make that choice, then it isn't about truth, or right, or love.  

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo--- No need to feel sorry for my hypothetical man, feel sorry, instead, for the self-destructive environment he lives in.

He does get hit by the environment, but he is surviving whereas the environment is destroying itself.

My man is learning what it takes to be extraordinarily successful -- these lessons are often painful --- pain is an instructor.

My man is working very hard to help his environment. Average endeavors, and average men will not (and have not) solved the problems of the environment. My man is just what the environment needs.

If certain people would help him just a bit, rather than looking for things to criticize, he would be still married and even more successful.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Mark-I would feel very sorry for the hypothetical man in your example.  To have such a world view, to feel or think that everyone is trying to act to destroy his relationship borders on a paranoia.  But the clue to the failure is in your description -it isn't outside forces, but rather the man's devotion to the 'company', his placing the company and its interests over his wife and their relationship that caused the relationship to fail. 

Not only would it appear to me that the company wasn't helping the relationship, but by using the man selfishly for its own ends which even in your example seem elusive, it helped to destroy the relationship.  

Perhaps viewing the world in this way, and making up lists of people to spy on, or who one believes to be enemies, perhaps that lends to a paranoia about the world in general.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo--- here is what I believe:

If I am attacked by someone, it is probably because, (A) the attacker is asking for help in the only way he or she can---the attacker is basically good, like everyone else, and hopes to get help by making a nuisance of himself; or scenario (B) I have in some way attacked the attacker---until someone does to me what I sort of did to them I cannot really know how bad I was; or scenario (C) the attacker is trying to help me in the only way he or she can---the attacker wants me to evolve into a more ethical person and will provide whatever attack is necessary in order to ensure that I do evolve.

It is hard for me to image a situation where I would need to sever communications. Communication is the universal solvent.

Beings are basically good; they just need help. I would, in the case of (A), provide whatever help I could, or in the case of (B) I would stop attacking the attacker, and in (C) I would listen to what the attacker was trying to communicate (by way of his or her attack) and I would try to see if he or she might have merit in their accusations. I would try to discover what they were trying to say, but couldn't, or didn't because they didn't know how to express their true feelings.

 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo--- Let us say, hypothetically, that I was married to someone I loved very much and she, too, loved me; but I had spent too much time trying to handle various people and competitors who were attacking my company. Much of my energy was absorbed by difficult economic conditions, a drug culture, and a crime culture that all were affecting the operation of my company

At home, our personal and family relationship began to suffer and she, at some later time, started to believe what she had been reading on the internet about my company. She even began thinking that maybe I was sort of, well, almost evil.

In the beginning of the fall down, there were only a few people trying to separate me from my wife, but the more influential I became, the greater the number of people, both men and women -- and the media, and the internet -- who actively worked to break up our marriage, destroy my company. 

We got a divorce, even though I was both a good guy and hard working -- and loving.

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Be careful my friend; for no matter how much relationship tech (skills) you may someday learn (in Scientology or elsewhere); you too may be susceptible to hordes of people who want you silenced and your relationships destroyed----- because you threaten their economics---- and because you threaten their agendas.

I suggest you judge Scientology, not by what people do with their Scientology, but what Scientology will do for you: there will always be  people who have studied the technology who are better behaved than others who have studied Scientology. It takes years to become a great Scientologist.

As an example of what I mean: Please don't judge Coca cola by the people who consume it -- some may be healthy and some may be obese -- rather judge Coca cola by what it does to the human body.

This is the smart way to make evaluations.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

A few more-Heber Jentzch-President of Scientology, divorced twice.John Carmichael, President of Scientology, NY-his wife has been married before at least twice.David Miscavige's own parents-divorced.Laurisse Stueckenbrock, Miscavige's personal assistant and right hand-divorced.Virtually everyone who was/is on the RTC has been divorced at least once.  And I guess I shouldn't forget Tom Cruise, "Mr. Scientology", who is on his third marriage.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Well, see that's just it.  I would have thought that LRH certainly should know more about Scientology than anyone, yet look at the issues he had with his wives and his children.  Denise Miscavige Covington Licciardi Gentile, David Miscavige's twin sister, she's been in forever, and she has been married multiple times.  Anne Broeker Logan Tidman was right hand to LRH and I think was married at least three times.  Jessica Feshbach Rodriguez Davis, Tommy Davis's wife and Katie Holmes's handler, has been married three times.  And that's just picking well known folks whose names most people would probably recognize.  There are so many more examples.  If these high profile people, presumptively steeped in Scientology, can't keep it together, it makes me wonder.And as far as Quentin is concerned, I am inclined to agree with you and I welcome your search for info on the subject.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

I would like you to meet the Scientologists I know. The people you speak of ---obviously--- my opinion----- have not studied SCN very well. RE Quentin, let me just say that I will continue to seek positive information.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

# 1 is wrong.Everything comes from somewhere----  some source supplier. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with Scientology's life improvement technology coming from somewhere. # 2 is wrong.If a Scientologist needs to read crap in order to deal with it-- he or she does so---- just like I wave read Tony O.'s crap in order to handle the misconceptions he helps to generate.#3 is wrong.All most all organizations fire staff who do really stupid stuff. The Scientology Sea Organization tries to help these people, and give them a new chance to be where they want to be.#4 is wrong.Of course an organization has something to say about all the important things in life.#5 is wrong.Because TC has learned Scientology help technology that very few people know, he is in a unique position to help others in a very deep way. Please read Dianetics.#6 is wrong.We are not polarized. I consider you to be my friend. I realize that you have had some bad hits in your life.#7 is wrong.Everything LRH did was legal and ethical. I wish you could see that. I hope that someday you will.#9 is wrong.Scientologists try to handle family problems. Our families are wonderful. My intention is to help any family that wants to be helped. The intentions of the Scientologists that I know fully have the intention to save all families.#10 is wrong.We try to get people into better communication, where and when possible. That is why I am talking to you and your web friends today.#11 is wrong.An Upstate is someone who is advancing is his chosen field of activity.#12 is wrong.I hope that someday we can provide all our our vast number of services so cheap that anyone can afford them easily. Right now, we have various members "Angels" that help us pay our bills. I love them and thank them deeply.#13 is wrong.Our staff members work as much as they like because they love their fellow man. God bless them. They are your angels. #14 is wrong.SP is an other term for an evil behaving person. Of course, I do not "hang out" with an SP.#15 is wrong.I support anyone who follows the law and is taking action against someone who is trying to harm someone who is doing good.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Thanks for the offer. We are making progress.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Mark-Do you agree with disconnection?

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Mark-Most of the Scientologists that I know who have been around a while are the ones that have been married/divorced multiple times, and they have been in CoS forever, since they were young.  You would think that being in that long, they would have avoided such problems. I'm curious as to why/how you think Quentin was killed.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Rather wild "guess" there Mark.

If you tell us, with documented evidence, where Mrs. Shelly Miscavige is, I'll tell you what happened.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Okay, I guess you met a Scientologist that should not have been one. What happened?

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Dear Jim---- one day I hope we can be friends. Regarding your comments above, Have you "really looked at Scientology" yourself?

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo--- sometimes people get married and then, later, when they become more mature, they see that they had made a mistake. The Scientologists that I know are intelligent, have been around a for while, have studied Scientology materials (without misconceptions) and now have wonderful marriages. I met Quentin Hubbard shortly before his demise; my personal assessment (I do not work for SCN) is that Quentin was mostly killed.

Sirensealight
Sirensealight

Including the one that covered up the rape of a child and bullied that child into silence...Mark please sit down and stop with your "cult-speak".  AND thank our stars they never got Danny Elfman...when asked about his family members involvement in the cult...he warned..."Be Afraid...be VERY afraid."

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

You got that wrong Jim----   All the Scientology families that I know are among the very best. All of them.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Jim--- How did you become so twisted, I wonder. Are you a former Scientologist?

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

Misconceptions?  Which of the cult characteristics is wrong?

1. LRH is called 'Source'. 2. Scientologists aren't allowed to read entheta.  3. RPF, anyone?4. There is literally a Scientology handbook for everything.  The "How to Live with a Child" book is especially disturbing.5. Even Tom Cruise said, on film, that when he sees the scene of an accident he knows he is the only one who can help!6. Look at you now Mark.  This one isn't even debateable.7. LRH didn't spend his last years in hiding from the FBI, did he?  Oh right, he was doing research...8. Disconnection?!?  It's a great idea to leave family behind.9. Auditing to reveal past traumas, so they can be used to blackmail you later...10. Disconnection even more clearly defined!11. Are you 'upstat', Mark?12. Those $5,000 auditing sessions are worth it, though, right?13. How many stories are out there of people working for the church who had 1 day off in 4 years?  Hundreds.14. Do YOU want to hang out with any SP's, Mark?15. Fear reprisals, like sending their list of spies out after you?!? 

Game, Set, Match, Mark.

JimB
JimB

Scientology "Loyalty" and family love is about as deep as cellophane paper.   Very creepy.

Jim B
Jim B

Jeff, isn't Mark doing a good job of Scientology? Introvert, upset, diminish, invalidate, discredit, harass, scare, defame, libel.  There it is in action.

"Mark Miglio", do you really think all these thousands of people out here haven't "really looked" at Sceintology for themselves?  That's pathetic and offensive but so typical of Scientology delusional arrogance.

You hold up a pretty Creed but it's just the bait on the hook.  You can tell the little fishies: Hey, look, it's just a juicy little worm! Yumyum! Look for yourself!  But even fish get smart after a while and know there is a steely shiny HOOK.  You're creepy Mark Miglio, very creepy.

JimB
JimB

Jeff, isn't Mark doing a good job of Scientology? Introvert, upset, diminish, invalidate, discredit, harass, scare, defame, libel.  There it is in action.

Jim B
Jim B

You are covertly hostile.  You say that while you take down people's license plates and anything else you can get so you can stalk, harass, defame, upset and introvert them.  You're sick, Mark.  What makes it sicker is you really believe you are saving the world.   You're sick and harming good people.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Been there, done that, Mike. Conclusion: $cientology $ux.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

But that's just it, Mark, they don't.  For such a small sampling of people, there appears to be inordinate number having difficulty with divorce and disconnection.  Even Hubbard himself, who was married at least three times, two wives accused him of abuse, the other went to jail for Operation Snow White.  He disowned one child, his oldest son disowned him and change his name.  His second son Quentin killed himself, allegedly.  I agree that punishment causes other problems; trying to punish those still in causes some to leave, and others to simply suffer in silence with no desire to advance.  Punishing those outside, like exes, again makes you look like you want to suppress their right to believe and practice as they would.  

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Leo--- Scientology families survive very well together because they have learned how to communicate very well to each other. Despite this, there will always be some families that will not do well together. A Scientologist loves all his family members and will do whatever he or she can to work things out. Punishment is not a long-term workable solution; in fact, it causes many other problems. All beings are basically good. They just need help in order to handle their "baggage". 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Jeff--- you've got so many misconceptions about what is real Scientology. Why don't you meet some actual Scientologists, and find out what real Scientology is.

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

Mark, you're giving Scientology a bad name with these responses.  Should I just repeat what you said too?  Don't worry about responding to the cult characteristics, I'm sure it's blocked by your server. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Jeff--- Stop talking nonsense. Make yourself more clear.

LeoRyan78
LeoRyan78

Mark,Is disconnection contributing to or lessening the insanity?  You know disconnection exists and tears families apart.  You say you believe in freedom of belief but Scientology punishes those who believe differently.  How can you explain this?  Scientology has, through its official spokesman Tommy Davis,  variously 1) denied disconnection exists, 2) says that it exists but it is personal choice.  We know that it exists and that it is not a personal choice; that you would be considered PTS if you did not disconnect from the person who is the "trouble source".  Why must Scientology so rigidly control its members?  Are they afraid of truth slipping in?  If you were operating in truth, you would not be afraid and would allow communication with anyone.  Communication, universal solvent, yes? 

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

Hey Mark, by my count Scientology meets 13 of the 15 criteria.  How does that make you feel?

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

Characteristics of a Cult:1. The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. ‪2. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.‪3. Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).‪4. The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). ‪5. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). ‪6. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.‪7. The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).‪8. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).‪9. The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.‪10. Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.‪11. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. ‪12. The group is preoccupied with making money. ‪13. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.‪14. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.‪15. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

Hey nutjob, I was quoting The Big Lebowski!!  Spout your nonsense elsewhere. 

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