If Scientology is Going to Survive, Maybe It Should Listen to This Guy (UPDATED)

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Tad at his desk at the DC org
I recently stumbled upon a smart blog post written by a Washington D.C.-area Scientologist that I wanted to share with my fellow Scientology watchers.

The blogger does not identify himself, although he has posted several photographs and appears to be named "Tad." I wager that our astute readers (who include both present and former church members) will be able to put a full name to a face.

In his blog, titled "Studying Scientology," Tad has revealed some things about himself: he appears to be a second-generation Scientologist, and both he and his father work at the D.C. "org." Tad is a young father and earnestly cheers on announcements by Scientology leader David Miscavige about new church buildings opening around the world.

We were especially impressed by Tad's latest post, which he put up on July 5. It's titled "Preserving the Authenticity of my Religion."

Tad begins by making the point that there's often some disagreement about what the founder of a religion actually said or meant:

Every religion has this issue to one degree or another. From the Bhagavad-Gita to the King James edition of the bible, so many enlightened texts have relied in whole or in part on the interpretation of another (or of committees & parliamentary bodies) on what the founder originally taught.

In fact, he's found a good example from his own church, he says.

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Tad had recently finished some coursework in Scientology that relies on a 1950 book known as Notes on the Lectures. It's really a compilation of notes taken by students as they were listening to L. Ron Hubbard give lectures at the time.

A few years ago, Tad says, tapes of those original lectures were found in poor condition. But thanks to modern technology, Hubbard's words were recovered and can be listened to today.

The result, Tad, is fairly shocking.

Now, I've had the opportunity to read the previously-issued Notes on the Lectures book nearly-back-to-back with the actual lectures that Mr. Hubbard gave, and the result is pretty horrifying. There are some portions of the book where you can fairly well understand which lecture it is that the student note-takers were talking about, as it seemed they were tracking with the lecture. In other places, though -- especially with some of the diagrams they came up with, it seems like they either missed the point entirely, or were making up their own vision of what Mr. Hubbard was talking about.

After giving David Miscavige and Scientology's ecclesiastical clearinghouse, the Religious Technology Center, a plug for their dedication to finding and preserving Hubbard's every word, Tad then winds up for his final kicker:

It made me wonder -- how much of what we know of today's world religions is actually how the founder or spiritual leader taught or said? How much of it was faithfully passed on with fidelity, and how much was either altered completely or made up whole cloth? That much, we'll unfortunately never know.

I'm sure our readers, and particularly any religious studies majors, will have a field day with that question. Has a lack of taped lectures or hotel receipts in the lives of Siddhartha Gautama, Jesus of Nazareth, or Muhammad ibn 'Abdullāh hurt them any as founders of world religions? Hardly. And on the other hand, the painfully well documented details of life in Palmyra, New York, haven't always helped a more modern prophet like Joseph Smith.

As for Hubbard? Well, I can relate to what Tad is saying. If I were a fan, I'd be elated to see false records of what he said be supplanted by more accurate data.

But on the other hand, reading the upper levels, there's really no doubt we're getting material about galactic overlords and invisible alien parasites right from the horse's mouth. Tad can be assured that Hubbard's space opera tales have been passed on with high fidelity -- but as for that "whole cloth" question? Tricky.

As usual, we'll be interested to see how our faithful commenters analyze Tad's thoughts. I hope you'll all agree, however, that his blog post is one of the more lucid and interesting things we've seen from a Scientologist in a while. Miscavige, you want to turn things around? Allow youngsters like Tad to wrestle with issues in your church -- and with outside criticism -- honestly and without fear of retribution. Just a suggestion.

Update: Judging by the comments below, it appears I may not have been as clear as I should have in this post. I thought I made it pretty apparent that I respect what Tad is doing in his blog post -- that he is pleased to see some of Hubbard's early lectures recovered, superseding what had turned out to be a misinterpretation of them.

I thought I was also clear that Tad celebrated Miscavige and RTC for recovering Hubbard's original words. I don't really see how that would put him in trouble with the church.

I also admired his ability to relate his experience to that of other religions, which sometimes have to struggle over the original utterances and meanings of their holy texts.

Tad expresses some satisfaction that in his own religion, he can listen to the words of the founder directly. Again, I don't think that's controversial.

I only threw in a complication at the end -- that Hubbard's meaning isn't really in doubt when it comes to the OT III and other "space opera" elements of Scientology, and it would be interesting to see Tad wrestle with those materials and not some less controversial lectures from the early 1950s. That's what I meant about how refreshing it would be to see someone of Tad's intellect being open and honest about his religion.

OK, carry on.


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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"
An Interview with Nancy Many, Former Scientology Spy

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Anon A
Anon A

If Tad the Scientologist is part of the Washington DC Scientology Org, then I have a question I'd like to address to him directly....

How are you guys at the DC Org enjoying AnonSparrow's megaphone?

YouTube search:  anonsparrow1

Liars suck
Liars suck

Pure truth. Now there are some facts! Bravo Miles Biondo!!!    Wow. Relief.  Love the truth.

sizzle8
sizzle8

Googled his name.Tad Reeves post is the Internet Officer for Int. Contact info:

Church of Scientology International

6331 Hollywood Blvd Ste 700

Los Angeles,  CA 90028-6313 United States

Seems he's up to his eyeballs in Scn's web presence.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Another thing about "wins." Sea Org members in particular think that everyone else is getting wins, except for them, so their wins become "stats," to help Sciloontology save the planet, the big shared win. Since they feel guilty about being the ones who aren't getting any real wins, or super powers, they think it is their duty, for the greater good, to save the planet.

Public members just feel uplifted, by the wins of other people. It gives them hope they will get them, and it helps them exaggerate their own experiences and importance. A bout of elation, becomes "going exterior."

Some people are helped by the placebo effect.

It's like entering a room where everyone is happy and laughing. It makes you feel happy too. It's fun to be around people who have a purpose, seem enthusiastic, have the answers, and want to save the planet.

Tad probably has questions, but he'll always stifle his questions, until as others have said, he has a crisis, or perhaps sees the cult go through a crisis. Let's say it is discovered that DM has been keeping his wife drugged and restrained, and there's a big public trial.

Another good thing will be if someone every makes a really good movie about Hubbard, Paulette Cooper, the Headleys, Lisa M. or Astra Woodcraft.

For me, I think the dynamic in the Woodcraft family, would make a smashing drama. It is also a film that could be made on a low budget.

Guest
Guest

Thanks, Miles.  In the future, if I ever need to pull out the big guns, you're on my speed dial!

mark Scientology Miglio
mark Scientology Miglio

In some ways a supervisor is better than a professor.  Why? because some professors take great works of literature and misinterpret them.  I say, let the authors speak for themselves ---- help the students arrive at their own personal understanding.

Scientology Course Supervisors always helps the students ---- they never send the students home without assisting them right there in the classroom, even if it takes additional time.  The supervisor would never say, "this is the proper interpretation -- I am the expert here".

I do not know you, Miles, but since you have thoroughly not understood what a Scientology Course supervisor is and what he or she does, I can not trust your other thoughts.

Supervisors supervise student studies.  Hubbard does the teaching.  Supervising student studies it is a very exacting job and requires our very best Scientologists.

I am happy to provide you with this "education" despite the smirks you show for our feelings.

Google Scientology Xenu
Google Scientology Xenu

Tad Reeves is the person this article is about. He is one of those Scientology goons who sticks camera is protesters faces. He has a site on how to raise babies in Scientology saying it is the best way to raise a child all the while ignoring the L Ron had two sons, one killed himself to get away from him and the other disowned him saying his father was insane. A daughter that no one has heard from in 20 years all proving that Tad has his ass up his head if he thinks LRH had the answers on how to raise a family. Tad is a second generation cultie and is father drove another DC Scientologist John Boucher to commit suicide! Also Tad and his wife did something really disgusting, signed docs saying they were never asked to have an abortion when in the Sea Org when she got pregnant. They insulted all the women who suffered over the years calling them liars.

The only thing Tad has the answers to is to how to be a delusional nut and if LRH said feeding your kids lead paint chips was good for them this guy would be buying 40 Lbs bags of them at a time.

Dallas
Dallas

His name is Thaddeus (Tad) Reeves.  He is actually a very intelligent guy if you take away his blind faith to Scn.  I worked with Tad at the Dissemination Division at FLO (Flag Liaison Office = Upper Middle Mgmt of Scn) when we were both in the Sea Organization in 2005. (Yes he is ex-SO)

He was put in charge of the Scientology.org website as he is very web savvy while I was in the Typesetting department.  Chuck he actually was in the Int Training Pool to go up and fill back up CMU/PDO but somehow didn't qualify after being in it for months just like about 99% of the other people who are "supposed" to go to Int Mgmt.  No one usually passes the Security Checks they put on you as the 100+ questions on your thoughts about L.Ron and Uncle Dave make you go a little crazy.

Tad left the SO in 2009 because his wife Kathryn was pregnant so they opted not to get an abortion so don't know how much he liked it there. Luckily for him this was also at a time when the Headley's suit was occurring against CSI for forced abortions and therefore Tad and Kat got special treament that leaving SO members don't usually get.  In fact his predecessor who ran the website (Ron) also got his wife (Andromada) pregnant and she left after about a month of heavy manual labor but he did not leave until 6 months later.  So Tad & Kat had nothing but nice things (or lies) to say in an affidavit for the church saying how helpful they were with the pregnancy.  You can see these affidavits at St Pete Times Truth Rundown Part VII "No Kids Allowed" article docs.

So that's a little background information.

Theresa Defino
Theresa Defino

Tony, I think what people are shocked at--me included--is that you are acting as if this is a "real" religion, worthy of scholarly study. It's a cult. Its beliefs are nuts. All that is aside from how its leaders and ex-leaders behave. We should want to help this young man break free, not praise his efforts.

And Tad, say `hey' to Sylvia for me. And if you ever want to meet and give me the file on me, let me know. Thanks.

mcSurfer
mcSurfer

Ha ha. Mr Ortega gets a view of what we face when he himself tries to insert one little bit of approval. :-) He gets a view of the audience, so to speak.Tad talkes about early works of Hubbard, works which Hubbard refers to repeatedly as both advanced and basic. Advanced, as he delineated his findings as to the full potential of the mind and the spirit, but had to work from then on in order to build a gradual approach to be able to handle some of the stuff he mentions - both in application and in the receiving of the techniques. Even critiques of the time can´t but acknowledge that Hubbard himself were able to create "miracles" with the techniques, but had to work for a long time in order to find how to bring over how he did it, in a way that others could apply it as well. That was not as easy as he first thought, as witnessed by Tads text about how the students notes differed from what he actually said. Also, he spent a long time building "The Bridge", in order to make it possible for an individual to reach, stably, the upper levels. And as for OT III story etc, that is more something MADE controversial and used to ridicule. There are books available, even in libraries, where Hubbard tells stories you wouldn´t believe, and it would be a sorry affair if scientologists were supposed to "believe what Ron says" there. When reaching the upper levels, one has understood enough about Scientology to know that literal acceptence of another persons "truth" is amongst the worst thing a person can do. Personally I´m more interested in the application of the actual techniques on the OT Levels - how they can help me on my continued journey towards becoming more and more myself, spriritually.Today it is very much a priority for scientologists to study the early Basics, and anyone can pick upp some of those books and see for her/him self that the direction of Scientology is increased ability to look, decide, act by ones own will and with self confidence and empathy and responsibility for our world. That is what makes scientologists hard to "control" if one is not able to make them decide it for themselves. That we close ranks in the eye of attacks is a natural phenomena, and that we are reluctant to be openly personal about Scientology in media is not so hard to understand when you see the cruel attacks leveled at anyone like Tad.  In my opinion, those defectors, like Rathbun etc, who claim they have gained a lot from the auditing in the Church they are now leaving and attacking (go figure), they use that ability I mentioned above to make that defection, isn´t that odd? 

Thetagal
Thetagal

Tell Tad that the Notes on the Lectures should never have been used in the COS as part of any study checksheet because it wasn't written by LRH.  So no big deal if the actual lectures were different, no one claimed they were the same.Tell Tad that I hope the RCT has put back the two words they left out of Axiom 3 --the two missing words were "or not".  Patricia Krenik, Founding Scientologist 1951, not connected with the COS.

Sid
Sid

Scientology cannot possibly survive with people like Tad actually thinking about the subject. Scientology, like other cults, rely on the participant agreeing to switch off critical thought and just following the process.

Thinking for yourself is absolutely forbidden, despite the claims to the contrary. The path has been laid out, don't try a different path, don't engage in "verbal tech", do NOT discuss your case, just turn off your mind and follow the path. KSW!

I'm not saying all Scientologists are poor on critical thinking skills, but their loyalty to their group and leaders seems to trump their ability to think critically. Scientologists often get frustrated that critics are forever seeking to reveal the warts-and-all truth about LRH. This is because we know that loyalty to LRH as this "super-being" is one of the reasons that Scientologists won't allow themselves to really think about the reality of Scientology.

The only thing a Scientologist is ever encouraged to discuss are his "wins". Scientology relies almost totally on people shouting about their wins. Without this, people would almost certainly say "hang on, I'm not getting these promised experiences". But, hearing everyone else talk about how great Scientology is makes people think it must be their problem.

It's great that Tad is blogging, and if he keeps thinking about the subject I am hopeful he will one day be able to free himself. Unfortunately, critical thinking is something that tends to improve with life experience, and being a second-generation Scientologist he has been indoctrinated so young that it will definitely be very difficult for him.

Good luck Tad.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Miles; a brilliant critique of ideologically driven gibberish! Thank you!

It was the "professor" barb that snagged my shirt when I first read Scnist's post and preposterous claims. 

Your taking it to task is commendable and I salute you, Sir!

Bravo!!!

subgenius
subgenius

Please don't let Scientology survive in any form. Brainwash people into brainwashing themselves and others without knowing it. Do not want. Please, no. That would be sad, tragic and doomed. Doomed as doomed can be.

Guest
Guest

Spot on, Miles.  Well done.

Chuckbeatty77
Chuckbeatty77

Let's see if Tad joins the Sea Org (religious order, the lifetime staffers), and moves up to the Int Base, and goes to work in the LRH Tech Compilations Unit, which is the unit entrusted to sort out ANY past screwups in the compilations of Hubbard's "traffic" which he ordered be put into scriptures format.   I've worked, for a tiny time slot, 1988-1989, in the LRH Tech Research and Comps Unit at the Int Base, back then, and read the detailed Hubbard instructions on HOW to compile his works.   There are several very experienced EX compilations personnel who can be interviewed.   Tad's free to go try his hand at the job!    Hopefully new religion scholars will bother to interview the ex compilations personnel who have done hundreds of Hubbard scriptural compilations, and who know of all the private instructions Hubbard left the compilations staff at the Int Base, how to do their jobs.   Hubbard didn't even pen all sentences in ALL of his final years final scriptures, but he did specify exactly how those final years scriptures writings were to be done.   The tiny insignificant problems of "bad" past compilation products by the supposedly "bad" past compilations staffers, well, there's always room at the top for those wishing to go up the ranks in the Sea Org, qualify to work at the Int Base, qualify and train to work in the compilations unit, and then have access to the RAW Hubbard tidbits of writings and  notes, from which Hubbard ordered his compilations personnel to compile the actual scriptural detailed "bulletins" and "policy letters" and other issue types (Hubbard lays out about 2 dozen different "issue types" for the relay of Scientology matters to his followers and staff, and his intention was that his writings be made clear and particularly he stressed his writings which he calls "timeless tech" were the writings that need be compiled and issued in the clearcut various "issue types" and given to the applicable staff and or parishioners for use).   Well, Tad, go join the Sea Org, and see if you make it up to the level of those that actually do the compiling, and who do the correcting of the past "bad" compiling.   This sub subject has been written upon on several blogs by one famous compilations officer, Dan Koon.   Tad should google "Dan Koon" and read Dan's explanations of Dan's years in the compilations area.- Chuck Beatty, ex Sea Org, 1975-2003, Pittsburgh

MarkStark
MarkStark

There's a reason religious scholars don't touch Hubbard's writings, or his taped speeches. It is babbling lunacy. The other reason is that with over 1000 books, it is too much babbling lunacy. It is whatever is true for you...

subgenius
subgenius

The Life of Brian: "What did he say" "He said blessed are the cheezemakers for they shall inherit the earth."

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Whoa. I seem to have confused folks about my intentions in this piece. Please read my update above.

Scnist
Scnist

Tony, I am a Scientologist, and as I see this column is pretty biased against Scientology, I already expect my comment will probably be criticized.  However, I must make this comment.  What this "Tad" is saying is just the opposite of what you interpreted from it.  It was David Miscaviges 5 o 10 year project to restore all tapes, and review all materials for fidelity.  Tapes are something great for Scientologists since they are unaltered lectures by L Ron. Hubbard.  Thanks to Miscavige's long running project, we know now even better what he said, so it is harder for someone in the future to try to alter it.  The "Notes on the Lectures" is a book published many years ago that isn't being circulated anymore, since now we have the original lectures.  Now, another thing you might not know is that when we study courses and recorded tapes, the course supervisor (the equivalent of a professor) is prohibited from giving interpretations.  He can only refer the students to the appropriate original materials from Hubbard, and it's up to each individual student to interpret for himself what he can take out of what he just studied.  Different students find different uses for one same lecture, as to how they might use what they studied in their daily life.  Notty's comment is pretty "nutty" in my opinion, since it is quite the opposite as what is encouraged in studying Scientology.  I can tell you that since I am an active Scientologist.  As I said, I do not expect this to  be appreciated by biased people.  But it happens to be the truth.  For example, someone says this will not be appreciated by the Church.  However, it was the Church itself that withdrew this book, substituting it with the original lectures, once they were restored.  Again, the opinion regarding this, asuming without enough real information about the subject, happens to be quite the opposite as what really happened.

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

Then maybe we'll see a little bit more from him. As he started posting from Louanne's old assigned location, I'm guessing that he's filling her slot while she's in RPF, or maybe for permanent-like. I'm looking forward to it, it's about time we saw some fresh faces.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Yes, a very large www presence.

There is a major Flicker photo instalment.Photos of wife & child at a stress test table and stuff way worse than that, and that one is just ghastly.

There is a major exposé on the Why We Protest Site. Videos of Tad in action at the DC org, photos, as mentioned, plus one of a CCHR demonstration. 

Guest
Guest

Wait, you just said "Supervisors always helps the students", but "professors take great works of literature and misinterpret them."

Two massive generalizations.

Leoryan78
Leoryan78

Theresa,Tony is very savvy and knows what is what when it comes to Scientology.  He has been around the block and back when it comes to the subject.  I think you are mistaking his phraseology; he uses the terminology "his religion" when he is referring to Tad, meaning at least, that it is Tad's belief that it is a religion.  Even if we might believe it a scam, to him, it is a religion.I actually have come to think more and more, it really doesn't matter what you call it, because if we say that we are not criticizing the beliefs, we are criticizing the crimes of the organization, it really doesn't matter what we call it.  Crime is crime, and needs to be stopped.  People in the RPF need to be let out.  People not allowed to leave freely without fear of consequence or blackmail, need to be allowed to leave.  Defrauding people must stop.  Refunds must be given.  Families need to be put back together. And CoS has to stop attacking and harassing people.

mark Scientology Miglio
mark Scientology Miglio

Theresa, well let me ask you, what is your definition of a real honest to God religion?  Did you not get anything of a spiritual nature from your studies of Dianetics and Scientology.

Leoryan78
Leoryan78

Which version of the Basics is this, McSurfer and how many times have people been asked to buy basically(see what I did there, lol), the same book?  Just so if something "new" is discovered, it creates a ready made new product for sale.  So discovering, finding errors, etc. can be very profitable for the current leadership.  Since there is no more Hubbard writings, it is a neat trick to try to keep up; isn't this about the 17th time something has been "fully revised and updated" and so there you have to buy the new copy one more time? 

"Even critiques of the time can't but acknowledge that Hubbard himself were able to create miracles with the techniques"Um, well no, not really.  Actually, the reviews of the time were scathing and not at all favorable on a variety of counts-lack of independent evidence, no research data presented, no real backing for a majority of the claims, etc. etc.  Indeed, the reviews of the time, not only didn't speak approvingly, but they said that it was potentially dangerous.  Google Dianetics and reviews.

Guest
Guest

mcSurfer,

Has there ever been a scientology "saint"?Has there ever been en "enlightened" scientologist?Has there ever been a scientology wise man/woman that people come to learn from?

I'm not talking about Hubbard.  I happen to believe he is a nut case, with good reason.  But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that, despite being a nut case, perhaps the "tech" he created helped somebody achieve a spiritual breakthrough. 

Who was the most revered scientologist, in terms of wisdom and ability to impart wisdom?

I have a theory that there aren't any.  And we know your "clears" aren't anything special. This implies your tech is worthless. 

Thetagal
Thetagal

Hi.  Not odd at all if you understand the anatomy of GPMs:)

Pat, with tongue in cheek:)

MarkStark
MarkStark

"The only thing a Scientologist is ever encouraged to discuss are his "wins". Scientology relies almost totally on people shouting about their wins. Without this, people would almost certainly say "hang on, I'm not getting these promised experiences". But, hearing everyone else talk about how great Scientology is makes people think it must be their problem."

So true. I think of Astra Woodcraft. There she was stuck in the Sea Org at an early age, attractive, brilliant, and very productive. She was plagued by fear of losing her family, feelings of inadequacy for just questioning things, in her mind. She thought there was something terribly wrong with herself. She was trained to feel guilty about her own thoughts, including any doubt about "the tech" or Hubbard, or crappy non-education she was receiving which at one point was reduced to 6 hours a week, all on one day.

Being a child brought up in it, she hated that the e-meter was this all-knowing device that could reveal her thoughts. It is used to interrogate children.

Some frustrated freaks she worked with, adults, could probably sense her insecurities, or were jealous of her intellect or productivity, and she got picked on. She was also groped by Wally Hanks on a visit to the Ranch.

Meanwhile, her father has his doubts, but can't express them, because his kids have turned into robots and he's afraid of his own children, and afraid of expressing any doubt about Scientology to them for fear he will become separated from them, by robowife, and the system.

This is the reason people who leave Scientology sometimes face such confusion and anger. They realize how little it had to do with the one incident that was the last straw, and instead realize it is the whole damned system that is crazy, not themselves.

At one point, Astra was shown some material where it was determined that life on earth would be over in a few decades unless Scientology could save it. So, no matter how dysfunctional the organization was, it was something that had to be done, to save the planet. And that it would eventually start working, once it had spread enough.

It is an elaborate trap they were stuck in, one that any sane reasonably intelligent person can see from the outside, even if they have only the basic facts.

So, they fake these wins, feel guilty about it when they fake it, and when they get out, they realize they were punished and held in fear for being healthy and normal. They were stuck in a sick, upside down system.

There's also the realization celebrities and rich people rarely see the dark side of this control. They have lives outside the cult. Children raised in the Sea Org didn't. Tad didn't.

Guest
Guest

 What is it for me? Babbling lunacy:)

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Jjjgnbhututijhit888y6ug

He may have been a babbling lunatic, but he was producing Space Opera!! O.K., maybe not as good as his contemporaries.....

subgenius
subgenius

To communicate is to be misunderstood.---not me, but I wish I said that

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

"....course supervisor (the equivalent of a professor) is prohibited from giving interpretations.  He can only refer the students to the appropriate original materials from Hubbard...."

No, not the equivalent of a professor. If it has any equivalency, it's TOUR GUIDE. Get a grip!

Old OT7
Old OT7

"the course supervisor (the equivalent of a professor)..."

Since I was a course sup (supervisor), I demand to be called "Professor Old OT7!  And if Hubbard could get a fake diploma  from a school that was a "Diploma Mill" and call himself, "Doctor" as in a PhD., I would like to be called Dr. Old OT7.  Anyone got a problem with that???

Markmiglio
Markmiglio

Thank you for your data, Scnist.

Maxchampion
Maxchampion

Scnist, I appreciate you engaging with the subject as you have, and the tone of your comment. Thank you.

Expelled4Life
Expelled4Life

Unaltered, huh? LOL! Here's just a few examples of current alterations: 1. The book "Science of Survival" was originally dedicated to Diana Hubbard. The current version has removed her name. 2. The Scientology high crime called "musical chairs" has been removed from the current Scientology "Ethics Book". Why? Because that's how Miscavige temporarily mans up his "Ideal Orgs". 3. Google "Altered Hubbard PDC tapes" to find out how the PDC tapes have been changed. Not to mention the books that have been removed from the lineup such as "Child Dianetics". Could this be because Sea Org members who are forced to get abortions might actually read it?

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Scnist, please read my update above. I'm actually agreeing with you here.

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

"​Tad had recently finished some coursework in Scientology that relies on a 1950 book known as Notes on the Lectures. It's really a compilation of notes taken by students as they were listening to L. Ron Hubbard give lectures at the time."

Word-clear 'recently.' The book is still in use, but you Dept. 20 people keep on making up stuff. You know, since Hubbard was such a micromanager who had to review and approve everything, I'm not buying the DM shore story about all this "misunderstanding" with transcripts. Hubbard would have had to approve the transcripts.

Oddly, DM's versions seem to have been slightly altered to fit in better with today's social mores and attitudes.

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

Scnis, if I understand correctly, wouldn't interpreting Tad's comments on his behalf interfere with his own comms cycle? In other words, how do you know what he meant? 

Liars suck
Liars suck

He could even be one of the wannabe hacks who pumps out those creepy vile slander blogs that make The Joker look like Mr. Kangaroo by comparison.   :::whistling:::  now how is it we are getting lists of those coward bloggers who lie lie lie to defame  with enough malice and hate it would curdle milk and with a flower to dust?

Hey Tad, Hey Mark Miglio,  Hey Louanne,   Hey Sandra Gomez ....your walls have ears.

Liars suck
Liars suck

Look at Tad's face.   Do you see crafty?     I do.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

You have altered by intent... 

...good, true, certifided, real, supervisors (the only ones that can be called "supervisor") always help their students. 

Those that don't will be corrected for errors in their abilities.

I said...  SOME prrofessors.

Guest
Guest

 Why would she? The founder/author was a drug-addled psycho.

McSurfer
McSurfer

Sorry, by critiques I meant people involved, who were there. Not the media. One well known negative book about LRH had two areas they could say to his advantage. He was actually phenomenal as auditor (practictioner of his techiques), and no dirt on the sexual area could be dug up.

McSurfer
McSurfer

The people we respect the most in Scientology are those that has done things that really helps many people. It´s what their actions resulted in which is what counts, and by this, to be clear, is meant things that people would normally considered as "help", not only for example "how much they expanded scientology", even though the latter is of course in our eyes a way of helping people.

Even though people who have sharpened and regained their inherent abilities and wisdom (because that is ALL scientology is doing, except giving methodologies) they don´t do this "come here and listen to my wisdom"-thing. That would be very non-scientologistic. 

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Today, I am feeling a bit charitable.

Here you go, Mark:

"Anyway, Everyman is then shown to have been crucified so don't think that it's an accident that this crucifixion, they found out that this applied. Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6, and I don't know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the Cross. There was no Christ. But the man on the cross is shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified man, has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. Therefore you get many PCs who says they are Christ. Now, there's two reasons for that, one is the Roman Empire was prone to crucify people, so a person can have been crucified, but in R6 he is shown as crucified."

Class VIII course lecture #10 on the ship Apollo, October 3, 1968

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

I DO! Have you done anything to earn it, like making a large donation to a fake "school"? No, I didn't think so! So unless you do something notable and respectable like that, you'll just have to earn it! ;)

Taco
Taco

You can google the alterations, there are many.   One is that the OT is left out of OT TRO -- it was turned into TR0 With Eyes Shut.    NOT the same!  OT TR 0  has the word operating thetan, a symbol for the soul or consciousness....the drill is about "seeing and being" even without visio.  The word OT is key to the drill.

Taco
Taco

Didn't I call it. ?? Scinist come in and explains the subtext of Tad's blog, the real communication layered in by contrived cunning "PR".   It's a Miscavige plug!!   They are sneaky babe!!   The "real" communication was supposed to be that David Miscavige saved the day and Scientology, and that Hubbard was an idiot for publishing books with "so many mistakes"   Right.   LOLOL  This is what drives the megolomania of Miscavige, narcissism.  This is how he justifies violating the auditor's code to smear wonderful bright people.

Tad is no intellect!

mark Scientology Miglio
mark Scientology Miglio

Ian, Scnis, is giving an evaluation not a "interference".  Good God, can't we say anything at all?

Liars suck
Liars suck

Let me be more precise:   imma talkin about those creepy vile slander blogs produced by The Church of Scientology and its Office of Special affairs.     :::ooops::::   we see you :) and soon the world will more too.

They are evil. Evil is as evil does.  And no "good cause" justifies evil.

Leoryan78
Leoryan78

"Critique" doesn't refer to a person, that word would be "critic".  A critique generally is a review from someone not involved.  If a "critique" is from someone who is involved, that is not much of a critique; it is self-interested and potentially self promoting. 

As far as "dirt on the sexual area", well, I guess that depends upon what you want to consider.  Cheating on his first wife Polly.  Marrying a second wife while he was still married to the first.  Being abusive and crazy to his second wife.  Both wives accused him of being mentally ill.  Cheating on the third wife with other women.  We wouldn't even touch upon admissions that were entered in the case of Scientology vs. Armstrong.

Guest
Guest

Yes, the "come and listen to my wisdom" thing _would_ be very "non-scientologistic."

That would be more like a religion. And it would be harder to charge people. 

Xemnu of the Magic Planet
Xemnu of the Magic Planet

Hubbard wanted to be the big badass Antichrist, but he really didn't measure up.  I'll give him a gold star on his forehead (pointed down of course) for trying.

Guest
Guest

I'm not sure "sacrilege" is an appropriate term for the perversion of a psychopath's writing.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Ron had more that one version of various things. 

I know of at least 3 variations on touch assists. 

Who said Ron didn't do that version, too?

Just because you see the word "eyes" doesn't invalidate the role of the thetan, nor does it "make it all about the body."

Do talk more if you think I am wrong.

Sandiega
Sandiega

From what I understand,   having OT TR0 remain as it was written by the founder,  a person doesn't have to have acheived fully opertation abilities beyond his or her body but it orients the rest of the drills...that to be there and perceive as a BEING, beyond the body, is the foundation of the following drills.

It was changed by Miscavige from OT TR0  to "TRO with eyes Closed."

I am a theology student and see it turns it into a totally different thing, making it all about the body.

It's a sacrilege, that one little alteration alone as it relates to the body of Hubbard works.

mark Scientology Miglio
mark Scientology Miglio

If what you say is rightly expressed, I still don't see the problem.

What you are essentially saying is that the student must be, or consider himself to be an "operating thetan" in order to understand and do the TR 0 (Training Routine # 0)? 

I am not being cute, here.  Please explain your thought more exactly.  I would like to comment.

Liars suck
Liars suck

Mark "Scientology" MIglio --- The Invalidator Make Wronger      (love you Tom Cook!!)

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

As the kids say... "Snap!" The question remains- how can you interpret for him?

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

of course! But my point remains- how does he know what tad meant?

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