Janet Reitman: Unflappable as Scientologists Question Her Motives

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Over at the Washington Post website, Janet Reitman, author of Inside Scientology, just concluded an hour-long live question and answer session with the public.

As usual, Reitman was calm and unflappable in the face of criticism. We pointed out this weekend that Scientology's official objection to her book is specious at best: they accuse her of not talking to active Scientologists while she compiled her book, which is marketed as the first truly objective, journalistic history of the church.

As we pointed out earlier, Scientology's criticism is a dodge.

Reitman worked hard in 2005 and 2006 to get the church's perspective on things, when she was originally researching the Rolling Stone article that became the basis for her book. Since then, some of the people she interviewed have left the dwindling church -- which certainly isn't her fault.

During the Washington Post session today, Scientologists raised this criticism again, but Reitman calmly swiped such objections aside. An example:

My wife and I have been Scientologist's most of our adult life. Our Scientology faith has helped us with our marriage (36 years and counting) as well as raising our three children. All three of our now-adult children choose to become Scientologists. While we taught them about Scientology while they were growing up, one can can only become a Scientologist by making a self-determined decision to be one -- which each of our children did. My question: Did you interview any currently active members of the Church from around the country for your book? If so, how many did you interview? My impression is that your research focused on a few disgruntled ex-members. - July 15, 2011 11:46 AM

A. Janet Reitman : Wrong impression. I interviewed many, and one of them has a key role in the book, and indeed, she ends the book. she's a fiercely dedicated Scientologist and was raised in much the same way that it seems you raised your own family.

Reitman takes very seriously her role as a journalist who approached the subject of Scientology without preconceptions and, actually, a good deal of sympathy for the Scientologists she met along the way. The church is never going to get a more thoroughly researched and basically good-intentioned investigation of its history from a mainstream journalist. (Well, at least until Lawrence Wright's book comes out! What an embarrassment of riches for Scientology watchers this year has turned out to be.)

But that objectivity won't keep people from questioning her motives -- in fact, folks in the Tampa area will get a chance to see her in action tonight at Inkwood Books. We'd love to hear any reports from the scene! Also, look for Creative Loafing Tampa's reporter Mitch Perry to be all over it. It was questions from Perry that prompted Scientology to put out that official response to Reitman's book we wrote about Saturday.

And Perry earns extra points: recently, Scientology purchased the building that houses his newspaper, Creative Loafing Tampa. Gulp! Keep up the good work, fellow alt-weekly wretches, and let us know how David Miscavige is as a landlord!



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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"
An Interview with Nancy Many, Former Scientology Spy


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KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

A key point that Reitman, et al., omit is the spiritual lifts, awakenings, and new zest for life that people reliably get from Dianetics and Scientology auditing and from the classes.

I've had sessions where I came out of the auditing room and the world was newly and incredibly  rich. I had heightened vision, smell, hearing, understanding, empathy and inexplicable love for even strangers on the street. 

Classes, counseling, and auditing others gave me greater ability to raise my children to be happier and more industrious, to anticipate/foresee what business associates and customers want, to "intuit" what they will respond positively to, and to have extra personal inspiration and energy in providing it.

So, yes, I do get impatient with people who--if allowed their narcissistic way (not including Reitman here)--would have dashed all Scientology off the Earth before I could get it. 

Had that lot had its way, I and all the other happy, dedicated and winning Scientologists would never have had those wins for selves, family, extended family, and the rest of those we know. Millions of Assists would have never been delivered to sick and injured. Tens of thousands of inner-city students would never have had the benefit of volunteers using Study Tech to catch them up in school. 

I see that huge cruelty in your hearts, and I do rankle. 

Are Scientology and all Scientologists magically wonderful? Do they make mistakes? Do I sloggingly agree with all and everything that I see? You figure those out. 

But the two mistakes your team rotely and routinely make are to negate the spiritual wins and life-betterment that keep Scientologists coming back, and you autonomically believe and relay as God's gospel any detractor's anti-Scientology rant--immediately after you beatify the complainer.

danielhaszard
danielhaszard

A cult does not require any set number of leaders, only the inerrant belief that they are the ONLY TRUE RELIGION. Nothing else matters once that ego kicks in and messes with their heads. Once that engages, it usually takes a life-changing event or change of circumstances to get them to reconsider their beliefs  The definition of a destructive religious cult is like alcoholism-if booze controls you instead of the other way around you are an alcoholic.

Religion can be benign then there are hard core Fundy groups that want to rule & control you like hard core alcoholism.The Watchtower society Jehovah's Witnesses as an example is not benevolent and won't let you leave their organization in peace.If they try to ruin your reputation and break up your family for trying to get out then they are a cult! Whenever you surrender your logic and reason to anyone who asks you to believe something on "faith" and to trust them because they know better and to please donate generously, it's a cult. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck....--Danny Haszard born 3rd generation JW 1957 dannyhaszard (dot) com 

MarkStark
MarkStark

Scientologists use six different levels of language:1. Secret words they dare not speak: Xenu, Body Thetans, Teegeeack.2. General inside Hubbardian cuckoo-speak: obnosing, comm cycles, planetary clearing. 3: Propaganda language for raw meat: "It's life, paperclips, your first dump, everything."4. Handling/cover language which varies depending on the situation: ecclesiastical, sacred, faith, freedom, self-determination.5. Sea Org language, which is particularly crude and vulgar, "because it gets things done." (We know that the "Ecclesiastical leader," his most holiness, David Miscavige motivates his closest underlings by regularly debasing them with stories of the sexual things they do to each other.)6. Attack language used against critics and ex-members: haters, bigots, psycho apostates, cyber terrorists, uneducated (in the ways of Ron), ignorant, one-lifers (ha ha).

This system worked fine before the web. Members felt deliciously nutty and special, knowing about Xenu, but not being able to speak about it. Or, knowing they were the "only" ones who can save the planet.

Now it is falling apart.

I was just thinking of this, in the way they will try to "handle" Janet Reitman. It works against them.

When talking about their faith, Christians use mainly one language, whether talking among themselves, or to others, and many of the principles became part of culture.

Guest
Guest

 My beingness obnoses the pulling-in of your out-ethics.  If you would word clear "entheta" and gain some mass, you might not feel so spinny.

Mred
Mred

this article in my opinion does not reflect reality in any way

Luis
Luis

I am quite amazed and the compulsitivity to argue back to Mark Scientology Miglio.  To allow the obsessive NEED to make him wrong to dim this comment's page.

Hats off to him for his ability to lure commenters into engaging him and making him the central character in the comments. 

As Scientologists would say: Very well Done Mark!

JeremyW - UK
JeremyW - UK

Say what?  Huh?  A healthy debate keeps the issues in the forefront, not the people.  I personally find those rebutting and labelling his sick Scientology standard dodging quite excellent. Very well done to all calling a spade a spade, or a Mark Miglio Amends Seeking zealot as it were.  I personally liked Squirrel Cracker.

Yes he's as troll and an OSA operative, but the conversations were marvelous exposes on the corrupt Scientology dishonesty and ineffective communication.

Peter
Peter

I'm special.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Yes, Janet handled the questions well. All those scientologists who participated by comments in the Q&A are not allowed to read the book and were sent by OSA, as volunteers with pre-set information and questions to ask, to do damage control for the church. That's how they do it, have been doing it and will continue to do it because Scientology policy dictates they attack or distract or derail their critics.

BTW, people asking about Pat Broeker should know that he's been living and working in the Czech Republic for years. He would not have been able to talk even if he wanted to because of a gag agreement he was forced to sign before being stalked and harassed into complete silence by Miscavige goons ( including then Scn exec Mark Rathbun ) for years.

MarkStark
MarkStark

"You steal their money with brainwashing-type technology that you say is from Ron Hubbard."

I do?

The only time I mention Hubbard to anyone is to use him as an example of a greedy, manipulative buffoon, who unleashed a monstrous system of "self help" and control.

Contact Capt. Bill Robertson. He may want you for the Galactic Patrol.

One of the frustrating things about scientology criticism is that the cult sends people like you to "handle" criticism or represent the cult. To the public, it just looks like Scilons are child-like and scary. Children of the Corn.

Yap Yaphank
Yap Yaphank

"they accuse her of not talking to active Scientologists while she compiled her book"

Oh, and if she had -- which she actually did and they lie about now -- she would have been welcomed with open arms -- oh yeah, I'm sure. 

The history of the "church" shows how open and honest they are when dealing with the "MeRcHaNts of ChAoS"  (cue: Cello Section -- dun, dun!).  If anything, the author is too kind to the church. If there's anything I think she doesn't exactly get it's the unsoundness of the LRH method and "philosophy."  However, a scholarly analysis of the philosophy and methods of the CoS is not the goal of the book. Rather, the book provides an excellent history of the organization and in that regard it succeeds brilliantly   No amount of singing choruses of, "I don't want to play in your yard" by the Church will change that.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

Tony Ortega, you've hit it right on here with this phrase:  As we pointed out earlier, Scientology's criticism is a dodge.  Bless you!

Scientology's criticism is a dodge.   Profiled.  Period.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Why is it Scilons go all ecclesiastical and pious with the public but are arrogant, elite, and nutty with each other? (See Tom Cruise video.)

We know that in their daily environment, children in Scientology's Sea Org and Cadet Org talk like sailors on shore leave, and are screamed at using the same vocabulary.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

One more part of the Scientology phony facade.  Scientology is a duplicitous organization,  insisting on "morals' for all but perpetrating and justifying the most heinous crimes themsevles.   Google: Rex Fowler, Jan Eastgate, Gur Finkelstein, Operation Snowwhite, Placido Domingo Jr.

Scilonschools
Scilonschools

Gur Finkelstein, now there is a VERY current news story!!Only Scientology would think they could mess with the Israel Police and get away with it!"Attorney Gur Finkelstein, accused by police in May of ordering several failed bombings and arson attempts, was rearrested in prison on Saturday on suspicion of ordering the killing of a state witness to prevent him from testifying"

Scilonschools
Scilonschools

Attorney Gur Finkelstein Scientology REALLY know how to pick them!, and I thought Ken Moxon worked a bit near the edge!!!

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Tony,  I would like to say that Nancy Reitman applied for services at the New York Church dishonestly.  That might not be a super big deal if one was, say, applying for a job; but in this case she was applying for service in a spiritual improvement center.  Dishonesty and omissions of actual intentions block spiritual evolution --- in a big way.  No reporter that enters our church will ever have spiritual gains if they all withholding basic information about their intentions.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

Well, Mark Miglio it seems your super duper spy intelligence flunked. Once again.   And you're pissed you didn't get any "smut" by luring Janet Reitman into a (bogus) unholy confessional to collect blackmail material on her.   

Hooray for Janet Reitman for seeing Scientology Organization is not worthy of the word "spiritual" nor "sacred" and espcially it is unworthy of people's trust.

Google Placido Domingo Jr. Scientology.   Only one example of the heart of the putrid malice and betrayal of your manipulative duplicitous organization! 

Worse, Scientology staffers like"Mark Miglio" have no accountability or sense of shame.  Sociopath zealotry.

BIG amends due buddy and runts of the world, for violating the supposedly sacred Auditors Code.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

"Mark" ,,,,Let's talk "Dishonesty"  Or if Sceintology staff was applying to rent a house up the street from Fair Game targets and lied about who they were   (case in point: Google Ingleside on teh Bay, Scientology). Or if Scientology lies maliciously to defame people with blogs.   Or if Sceintology infiltrates the government for other agendas. Hypocrite.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

By switching one letter in her name and not telling everything about herself in the first ten minutes she applied dishonestly? Isn't some skepticism and reticence in a new recruit not only legitimate but also desired? She left that first session impressed and wondering why anyone had a problem with Scientology. It was only after the second session, when the "L Ron is the greatest ever" stuff started coming at her that she realized there might be something to the criticisms of the church. If you've read the book, you should have noticed that Reitman looked for positive things to say about Scientology wherever she could -- and continues to. Come on, Mark. You've raised some legitimate points in this blog, but this isn't one of them.

mjm
mjm

Can't you get the PC folders thru the Freedom of Information Act?

it's illegal to hold them back if somebody requests them.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

I hope you are not going me to make me read the book, Tony.  I look to you as a source of information.  Here I can say from what I got from your articles (and others) concerning the book.

Apparently, Nancy said that she didn't want any more auditing; and that if that is because (if true --- a very, very unlikely possibility) that this happened because the "L. Ron Hubbard is the greatest ever stuff" type-comments in her auditing session had turned her off ----- Well, I don't really see how that was possible --- that style of auditing would violate all sorts of the rules of auditing. 

What I also know for a fact is that you have to be fully open up to your auditor in order to get any kind of real advancement (something more than someone saying, after session --- I liked my first auditing session, and along with a comment like, perhaps, --- Yea, my auditor was very nice.  He really listened --- I liked him a lot.  It was quite interesting. 

Dianetic auditing is not.... "quite interesting"... but rather, it is totally miraculous in so many ways.  Perhaps she didn't have these gains because she was  being a reporter rather than being a person who was able to really open up.  One has to be open -- to the auditor -- or auditing will never work. 

I know that she would not know that this is the only way auditing will work --- I hope she will go back to the NYC church for an open round II. 

Nancy, did nothing "wrong" (or something that word be "unworkable") if she was investigating a normal psych therapy. 

I am very willing to listen to your perspective, Tony.  I know that it is hard to understand the working rules of auditing -- you are being hit hard with new concepts that are not normally used in typical therapies-- but these are the things that make Dianetics so helpful beyond others .

Scientia
Scientia

Mark, do you understand Hubbard's phrase "look, don't listen"? It is from HCO PL 16 March 1972 Issue I , LOOK, DON'T LISTEN. What do you think it means?

candace6
candace6

Like releasing supposed "confidential" confessions would violate the rules?  Your "church" does that anytime anyone leaves and dares offer even the slightest criticism of the "church" under David Miscavige.  "Rules"?  Please Mark, you fool no one.

Guest
Guest

If auditing is so great, how come there are so many psychopathic scientologists? Why does joining scientology (outside of the context of being a token celebrity) drive people to the edge? How many have been ruined financially?

Are there any (outside of the token celebrities) prominent scientologists?  I'm not talking the "Jive Aces", but substantial people:  politicians, world leaders, nobel laureates?

Leo Ryan
Leo Ryan

Normally, I don't mind the appearance of a troll.  But I actually rather miss the real Mark Miglio.  Mark, come back, where did you go?

MarkStark
MarkStark

When Kate Ceberano (A Scientology celebrity, and Australian singer) was on Australian TV a few years ago, with her husband, they were asked about Xenu. Both of them pretended they had never heard of Xenu. It looked like a skit from an acting class.  They are both well beyond the OTIII level.

Given that a celebrity or any active Scientologist will mostly likely deny and lie, tell what cult members call "acceptable truths," what chance was there that Reitman could get in-depth and honest testimony from active cult members,  how Scientology has helped, what their doctrines mean to them personally?

We all know what cult members do when they aren't lying. They give a robotic sales pitch for Scientology, telling people they have to read Hubbard's books and buy into it themselves. I call it "robotic" because they don't seem to realize how idiotic it sounds to someone who knows the history of their cult, how it works, and from where Hubbard got his ideas.

Ex-members, however, are sometimes perfectly willing to tell what they thought they were buying into, for the years, sometimes decades, from when they were devoted, passionate, even model members.

Should Janet have transcribed all the MEET A SCIENTOLOGIST videos and made half the book about that?

"Our Scientology faith..." This is so bogus. Scilons never talk about "their faith." Nearly all the Scilons who participate in such a discussion or show up at one of her talks are going to be set-ups, prepped and rehearsed on what to say.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

"Our Scientology Faith" is another bogus alteration of Scientology. Scientology began as an applied, practical procedure and grew out of Dianetics.   Now it's been overtaken and filled with "faith, smoke n mirrors, incense, pews, frocks" and "faith".   It was NEVER about that until the little poodle indulged his blackmail and violations of priest-penitent privilege, the most sacred  code of real Scientology, to play Monopoly.  

Google "Placido Domingo Jr. Scientology Is Attacking Me"

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Please read my comment to Tony, Mark.

Nancy Reitman applied for services at the New York Church dishonestly.  That might not be a super big deal if one was, say, applying for a job; but in this case she was applying for service in a spiritual improvement center.  Dishonesty and omissions of actual intentions block spiritual evolution --- in a big way.  No reporter that enters our church will ever have spiritual gains if they all withholding basic information about their intentions. 

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

No person in their right mind, upon visiting or beginning a scientology Div 6 course or buying a book there, should provide their true name and contact particulars. To do otherwise is to subject themselves to a lifetime of unwanted Scientology spam snail mail and endless inconsiderate "stat pushing" registrar phone calls.

mjm
mjm

umm, it's JANET Reitman. further proof that you didn't even read the damn book, OSA spy.

and she said in numerous interviews that she had time to meet w/ reps from the CoS, who gave them a tour of the hq in Hemet.

Richard C. Mongler
Richard C. Mongler

No, because Scientology also offers courses that unlike auditing do not require you to give up any personal information. See how dishonest you are yourself?

Richard C. Mongler
Richard C. Mongler

You don't need to confess your sins to participate in a communications course or for studying the "basics" in a courseroom.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Auditing does not require you to "give up up personal information".  

You have to be able and willing confess to your sins in order to evolve spiritually.  

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

We cannot talk about the advanced levels, Mark.  New people that apply for service should do some the basics study courses --- if they like them they should attend the next more advanced courses.   

You and your friends are always insisting that we live by your rules, but I say you all are missing a basic understanding of how life works. 

You are a bunch of crooks who have stolen our works.

No Scientologists in good standing ever lies, but you guys all the time by way of telling dishonest half truths that mislead people in the direction you attempt to control them.  You steal their money with brainwashing-type technology that you say is from Ron Hubbard.

Please read my comment to Tony, and stop riding on our tailcoats.

Guest
Guest

The most damaging thing scientology can reveal to the public is the truth.  It's damning, in this case, to be sure.  The human rights violations may end up in court, which can muddy the waters.  But the bottom line is.... your church founder, Hubbard, was a moon bat. 

The advanced levels leave no doubt to the truth of that.  When you hear an audio tape of Hubbard issuing randomly spaced onomatopoeias,  with a group of advanced students laughing at every lame cue, it becomes apparent that is a reality you want to stay the heck away from.

So it makes sense why your church wants to hide that truth.  Also, you make more money that way.

Clarkle
Clarkle

Mark, it seems that the more you post the less credibility you have.  To say that no scientologist in good standing lies is itself a lie or at least a far stretch from the truth.  Was Rex Fowler in good standing?  Was Jan Eastgate in good standing?  Is Tommy Davis and every other scientologist that denies the Xenu story in good standing?  Were the scientologist convicted of "operation snow white in good standing?  I could go on, but I think you get my point.

Anon A
Anon A

Then I guess L Ron Hubbard wasn't a Scientologist.

After all, what would you call obtaining a fake doctorate through mail-order from the infamous "Sequoia University" and subsequently using the "doctor" title until the scam was exposed?  A big, fat whopping lie, perhaps?

Wikipedia: "Sequoia University"

Lisa Lirones reformed OSABOT
Lisa Lirones reformed OSABOT

bull$hit..Scientology Is Pathological in nature

using that measuring stick of NO REAL SCIENTOLIGIST LIES would mean Hubbard wasn't a Real Scientologist

Clarkle
Clarkle

So are you saying that Davis, Fowler, Eastgagte, Mary Jo Hubbard, and the others I meantioned, are not real scientologist?

Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin

That must mean that you're not a "real scientologist", because your statement in itself is a lie according to LRH and the axioms of scientology. What is "an acceptable truth" What is meant by "never be afraid to hurt another in a just cause" in the code of a scientologist?

You lied about PC folders never being published/publicized, and you obfuscate the facts about OT III's contents that were long established as "secret scripture" in the Fishman suit.Would you like a URL for any instance I raise about you lying?

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

"Mark Mig"    What are you talking about?  Most people here don't give a hoot about using Dianetics or Scientology thanks to the horrible public relations David Miscavige has given his "betterment" of Scientology, that exists as the atrocity the world sees now.

OTOH, you Mark Miglio, and your organization are crooks that have stolen the work of  L Ron Hubbard. and alter it to fit your unholy agenda of power, greed and world control.

You are lying ---- if no Scientologist in good standing ever lies as you claim (lie), what about those inane Squirrel Busters in Texas, lying to property owners to get a house?  Lying in the brochures they pass out?   Lying on the Defamation Blogs you have employees write to smear and destroy people.    What about Tommy Davis documented on world media. "Disconnection doesn't exist."

And still you lie.  With no shame.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

and right, Future Squirrel Cracker .... Disconnection and Fair Game do not exist.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

Like anyone would believe what you say?   lolololol!    Besides, read the papers world wide: the lies told by Scientology staff to rent property in Texas so they could stalk and Fair Game are documented by many legal authorities.

And Placido Domingo Jr.'s protest when The Church of Scientology  published a mocking blog divulging and spinning his personal info because he would not disconnect from his former wife and three daughters is news in Germany and Italy now, too.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

I hope to be able to join the Squirrel Busters team soon.  I will get back to you and tell you if they are behaving badly.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

You are riding on the tailcoats of Hubbard's work.   Hey "Mark" --- you're not supposed to publish people's pc folders and lie and libel either.  Especially when someone has not even been properly"Declared."   You're a hypocrite and you have lost the faith of the world.

Not only bigots know what real Scientology is supposed to be like.   I think Hubbard might have some lightning bolts in store for you :-)

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

And made up hallucinatory calumny that is more telling about the minds of who spins it than their targets. Creepola and definitely not trustworthy, Church of Scientology.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

Mark MIglio Scientology staffer and Scientology OSA is trained to look for loopholes so he can justify breaking the Auditor's Code   AND making up sordid smear wack jobs (that boomerang) --- pretending the data was available elsewhere and juts making it ugly lies and ridicule. .   Thank you for telling us how you do that.

MarkStark
MarkStark

When asked about Xenu, doesn't it make more sense to simply say, "We cannot talk about our advanced levels."

Or, "Dr. Hubtard said people could risk dying of pneumonia, if exposed to these galactic secrets before they are ready."

Scientia
Scientia

Looking IS the application of Scientology.

Scientia
Scientia

"He is a real Scientologist.."

You're kidding, right?

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Mark Miglio is the name of a long time scientologist and there is nothing here to suggest that it is not the real Mark Miglio posting. Go read up about him on whyweprotest.net

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Boy, you sure give Miglio a lot of power and credit where, frankly, it is not due. Mark is a real scientologist, an OSA volunteer, a drinker of the 'KoolAid' who seems to really believe everything he's posting here, despite not having read the book or having gotten the facts. Remember, he operates off of a script that precludes him from reading anything critical of the church. Who knows what information the church is using against him in order to blackmail or coerce him into partaking of this activity? Remember Hubbard's definition of PROPITIATION? How many scientologists have come to the internet in defense of the church as part of their current ethics handling? Too many to count and all have failed in one way or another because the internet contains so much fact that eventually they look and see and then get the big picture.

I looked at his facebook. He's got few friends by facebook standards and only a few of those are scientologists.  He's done little in the way of training and there is no indication on the internet mag lists that he's even had any auditing. He's been in scientology for many years. A friend of mine knew of him from NY and believes he has an A-J petitionable situation. What I see is a guy trying to get agreement where there is little to none here. I see him try to derail or quietly disrupt the threads. Whether that is intentional, I don't know but that is what a scientologist would do to defend KSW.

If you find him enturbulating, well, maybe you need to stop reading what he writes. He is mild in comparison to the others who write for OSA under fake nics. Mark Miglio is a real person who probably has nothing to lose by being here and everything to gain by getting a stat out of enturbulating people like you.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

Mark Miglio Scientology staffer (pseudo name) is covertly hostile, condescending, invalidative, and evaluative.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

Mark Miglio is covertly hostile and sarcastic.

Emmanu-c
Emmanu-c

Mark MIglio s a pro invalidator and restimulator

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Well, he's not a fraud, nor a disgrace.Mark is just a scientologist doing OSA's work and doing it to help Keep Scientology Working, or so he's been told.  It's the Church of Scientology propaganda that he espouses which is the fraudulent in nature. He just does not know because that is part of the con game. He's just doing what any of us did or would have done when we were members. I used to be just as dedicated, if not more, until I finally looked and made my own decisions, using my code of honor. Leaving scientology is a process, not a single event.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Yes, FREE and just in case you ever worry about losing your opportunity to go OT when deciding to leave the church, remember that all the materials are available for free on the internet.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

Definitely.   And trapping them on false pretenses.  The trapping starts in the very beginning.    Public are shown "Policy" that confessions are sacrosanct and totally confidential starting with the very first services.   Buying public are shown the Auditors Code and and the Creed of a Scientologist and the Bill of Human Rights.   And public believes this and purchases services  *on that foundation*  ---  which is a scam because in reality, the Auditors Code is routinely violated. 

People's "sins" are collected by Scientology Corporation for blackmail or future ammunition in case they whiste-blow.  Therre are dozens of documented libel publication that prove this ---most recently, google Placido Domingo Jr.  Scientology published a sin he divulged in confession because he refused to disconnect from his wife and three daughters.

I think this violation even undercuts Xenu --- because I don't want to tread on people's beliefs or right to practice something that doesn't harm others.   But I am incensed by the scam that solicits  feigned trustworthiness.   The betrayal is too heinous for words --- when you  think about  trusting people who...it can be years down the road, suddenly have a confession pulled out of the hat, and then embellished and fabricateed with lies with the intent to intimidate, silence or destroy.

Damn.  Does it get more ugly and pitiful than that?

MarkStark
MarkStark

Trapping people, extracting hundreds of thousands of dollars for "secret levels," instead of giving of doctrine freely, IS part of the abuse.

Impostor Busters
Impostor Busters

Actually who cares about Xenu ... it's a big universe for all we know who knows?  Let's stick with the utter heinous travesties and abuse --- Gur Finklestein, Rex Fowler, Jan Eastgate, Steve Brackett, Lisa McPherson, Operation Violet Wreath, Operation Snow White ....   get info on those with a search of each and the world "Scientology."

"Mark" Miglio -- you are a fraud and a disgrace.  You know it.

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