Listen: A Scientologist's Anthem to the "Galactic Patrol"

For our fellow Scientology watchers, from our underground bunker where we keep an eye on all things Hubbard, we humbly submit this brief movie that should, we think, make a certain song immortal, forevermore.

Thanks must go to a very loyal friend of Runnin' Scared, Xenubarb, who found this song for the ages tucked away in a website.

We've added some slides and some explanation to help you begin to understand the depth and power of this musical voyage. It's best seen full-screen, so make it big!

Please come back often for more doses of our Scientology coverage, both serious and not so serious.


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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"


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Zander
Zander

The 1980s Bill Robertson was terrible at public relations, while the 2011 Independent Scientologists specialize in PR towards "wogs." They're the new slicker - and sneakier - Scientology of the future.  No wonder David Miscavige is envious.

And on the topic of OT 3, "Xenu and Incident 2," upper level "OT" Scientologists similarly specialize in B.S.ing "wogs" about it.

One of the popular B.S. lines these days is, (smirkingly) "It's only a metaphor!"

Remember, Scientologists think they are "the experts at handling human emotion and reaction."

Each "wog" "handled" is a "win."

Guest
Guest

So I've thought about it long and hard, being a former pro, and decided that since scientology is dying out in it's present form,  it's time to take the show on the road.

Either "The Cult's Got Talent"  or  "UnAmerican Idols", but with a twisted mix of behind the scenes reality show contest occurring, because, you know,  in scientology nothing is ever as it seems.

The possibilities are endless.  The songs would be such a small part of the show.  Think of OT's finding their keys or a parking spot at the mall.  The Miscavige Musical Chairs with Queen playing could take up a series,  maybe even it's own Fall lineup offshoot.  Tommy Davis must be one of the judges.  Oh,  the possibilities. 

Personally,  I think it would take over top position of all reality shows, run them over like a Sherman tank,  #1 all the way, and make billions  (hear that, DM?  think about it).  

I hate to say this, but I would pay to see this if it was only on a Pay For View basis.

MarkStark
MarkStark

I read where Capt. Bill composed 19 albums. He was the Capt. on Hubbard's Apollo but later split when Hubbard disappeared (went into hiding) in 1981, and Capt. Bill formed his Ron's Org group in Europe. He thought the cult was being taken over by government agents.

Perhaps Chuck can tell us what was going on between the younger officers who took over, and Ron, and Capt. Bill. Seems like Capt. Bill would have been the logical choice for taking over the cult. I'm going to look for some of his other music because this is kind of quirky, with excessive modulations -- its about three songs in one -- but I kind of like it too.

Maybe I'll join Ron's Org so I can reach OT 16. I want to be part of the Galactic Patrol!

Guest
Guest

Apparently, the church of scientology is accusing the Village Voice of being pro-pedophilia, today over at www. catholic. org:

"You are promoting a publication (Village Voice) that is pro abortion, pro gay and has pornographic advertizing on their web site including, as covered last week, the Village Voice attacking a very prominent celebrity for fighting against child prostitution. In fact many advertizes pulled their ads from the Village Voice due to their position on child prostitution i.e. being tolerant of this very disgusting subject.

So you have picked a VERY strange bedfellow for Catholics (pardon the pun)."

This was posted today.

Chuckbeatty77
Chuckbeatty77

Experts, who have read and seen Hubbard's final years writings, have seen rather a slightly less "space opera" final mindset of Hubbard's.   But experts HAVE to read what Hubbard wrote in 1982, 1983, and read the things that Robertson himself unfortunately did NOT read of Hubbard's last writings.   Experts assignment:   "INCOMM" advices,  "ASI: advices, "Archives" advices, "LRH film treatments".     I'll lay this out, for those who finally DO the actual Hubbard scriptures final study, and see that Hubbard was still absolutely space opera, but he placed his bets for the space opera future in several "pots."    INCOMM advices spell out how Hubbard specified the millions of years ago space civilizations that survived using automated advanced computers, Hubbard gives the "Duke of Chug" story, which if an expert has NOT read the "Duke of Chug" stories, told to Foster Tompkins, and if you haven't read the 1982 INCOMM traffic, then you miss Hubbard's continued more detailed emphasis on the INCOMM branch of Scientology (Hubbard was so serious about this, one only has to read the INCOMM advices from Hubbard, to grasp this).    ASI advices are more how Hubbard wished his whole life's writing legacy to be "positioned" and presented, and includes Hubbard's thoughtful for all time orders to implement the year "Writers of the Future/Illustrators of the Future" contest and awards to help launch the careers of new science fiction writers and illustrators.   ASI advices contain Hubbard's detailed laying out for who he wanted to oversee what, including giving David Miscavige, then "Chairman of the Board, ASI" the duty to have the "AVC" (editor/approval job for ALL strategic oversight for the whole movement), this "AVC" Hubbard advice to ASI, I believe, as probably the only damn ex member "scribe" interested in the detailed "legal" justification why David Miscavige himself usurped the "top" decision making role amidst the detailed corporate top echelons of Scientology, I believe the "AVC" authority that Hubbard wished placed in ASI, which was nixed by lawyers, since it put the for-profit ASI as decision making "managers" over the non profit church corporations.   But the ASI advices from Hubbard are critical to duplicate Hubbard's long range intent, for real, not merely the emphasis on the obvious ludicrous (not that Hubbard can ever himself be taken totally seriously, I agree he absolutely can NOT), but to understand his modified "realistic" views, the ASI advices are a must read.   The "Archives" advices lay out all of Hubbard's long held ideas of preserving his glorious dead space alien exorcism "tech", and all his other "talk therapy" spiritual pseudo-science psychoanalysis "tech" on the metal plates in the underground vault sites.   This is the real life bury the metal plates, for future lives Sea Org members or for other space civilizations to find here on earth, if all humankind wipes itself out.   This is the staid "space opera" bet placing Hubbard's "tech" in the ground, on metal plates, and this when one sees all his final years writings, he was NOT living it high on the hog, he died is a pretty un-luxurious "Bluebird" not very tricked out mobile/bus trailer, rather than live in the house at the ranch he was hiding out due to him never being happy with the renovations that kept being redone.   The Archives advices contain his space opera lament that no Sea Org members had good enough recall to translate Hubbard's writings into the Swahili language exists right now out there between space civilizations, allowing them to trade with one another, Hubbard dubbed the space Swahili "lingua spacea".   He lamented that on earth no one has good enough past lives recall to be able to translate all his works into lingua spacea, making it easier to do the future planetary dissemination of his "tech".    The Archives advices absolutely are the serious, to Hubbard, most important in judging Hubbard as regards to where Hubbard put his money.   He ordered his money to the corporation that is today CST (Church of Spiritual Technology) and it's the most secretive upper elite unit of Sea Org members, the famous Los Angeles area protestors "Angry Gay Pope" and "Anon Orange" have done unprecedented protests at the "mother" facility for the all important Hubbard "Archives" project.   ASI (Author Services Inc.) in LA collects all the royalty payments and the "licencse agreement" payments from all the various organizations in contract to use the Hubbard "properties".   ASI funnels the profits to the CST project, or it's supposed to.    That is Hubbard's intent for the money.   Finally the "LRH film  treatments" have amongst the final years' film writings of Hubbard, likely the most important film, a training film supposed to be limited to viewing only by the Class 6 Scientology therapist trainees, but us Sea Org members who do the Sea Org "RPF" (prison redemption, reeducation program for 'fallen" Sea Org members who wish to quit their "billion year" contract or who have screwed up in some serious way), we on the Sea Org RPF saw the one particular film, called "Why TRs", I call it the "Isaac Hayes" film, because it stars Isaac, who delivers the Hubbard message to the Class 6 Scientology therapist trainees.   In this film, Hubbard via Isaac says the trainees will be effective in their future lives, when they find themselves the sole Scientologist on other planets, to the degree they can recall from memory, the Hubbard "tech" to begin Scientology on those future planets which in future lives the Class 6 trainees find themselves!   This in a realistic look at how Hubbard's grandiose galactic megalomical plans the Scientology "religion" will extend to the whole universe, realistically, it likely will be via the Class 6 super dedicated therapist trainees, who in future lives carry the "tech" with them, as they transmigrate to other planets, to be the "source" of Hubbard's tech there.   The "Source" role, Hubbard, if one studies carefully and takes his future lives writings seriously, DOES give the "source" role to Scientologists who find themselves the sole Scientologist on future planets in the universe.   So, in fact, things are far MORE this type of group future participation Hubbard's ideas are extremist, but "realistic" about how to "get" there, and salvage this universe, "for real."     These final years writings by Hubbard, are still waiting inclusion in some overview book, or chapter, and no scholars, no media, have taken up this depth of the Hubbard canon.   And finally, the most weighty actual final years areas of writings by Hubbard, relating to FOR REAL, the future "space opera" concepts that Hubbard has placed permanently within the official Church of Scientology, the "money trail" of the all the money Scientology/Hubbard has amassed, leads into the ground.   Into the vault sites with the expensive stainless steel plates with Hubbard's scriptures, for the future space civilizations and future Sea Org members to "come back" and dig them up.     -    Chuck Beatty, ex Sea Org (1975-2003), Pittsburgh. 

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

Tony, I have even moar pain to inflict on you. Have you ever heard L. Ron sing?

Have you ever heard him sing "Thank You For Listening?"

Have you ever enslaved a civilization? (Please pay the registrar on your way out.)

Guest
Guest

There seems to be a meme within this song of   "We All Live Only To Die"

Now That's a religion "we all" can really buy into! 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

For the readers here who are unfamiliar with the pix of Hubbard (above) :  This is a newspaper article photo about  Ron's research on plant life and about how plants life communicates with each other and how share their feelings (of pain and such) with each other.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Interesting ideas!

I've always been fond of "America's Least Wanted." A weekly review of $cilon malfeasance, deceit and corruption. First up? A Rex Fowler jailhouse interview.If Jan Eastgate is convicted, a jailhouse interview with her as a follow-up. There are so many possibilities!

MarkStark
MarkStark

America's Favorite Body Thetans -- Each week a new set of BTs is featured and how they do things like make people want to "casually steal and slay." 

Scientology's Next Top Zombie -- Scientologists screen and choose a successor for David Miscavige.

Featured contestants will include:1. Barking-mad Norman Starkey2. Used-to-be-handsome Greg Wilhere3. Reconstituted Pat Broeker (He's back!)4. Psycho Apostate Marty Rathbun5. Hardly-ever-lies Mike Rinder (Except about anything to do with LRH, of course.)6. Ecclesiastical spokescreature Tommy Davis7. David Miscavige Jr. (Cloned by a Raelian-Scientologist and only 6 years old but feisty and ready-to-rule.)

Big Brother, Scientology Style -- Scientology cameras go live nationally. See Tom Cruise and John Travolta being audited, and using the toilet.

Guest
Guest

Wasn't there a German director, or composer, who tortured an entire orchestra and made them  perform and I believe record his stuff?  Not sure if Chuck or someone else posted it.  I do remembered it though and immediately check to see if this was covered under Geneva Convention guidelines. 

Guest
Guest

Obviously that particular OSAbot hasn't perused This Galactic Patrol thread, otherwise he'd know that This is the really sicko stuff. 

Chuckbeatty77
Chuckbeatty77

http://www.scientology.org/vid... at 00:34 seconds, Isaac in the red cape, on the “space platform” the view screen of his space platform telescope is honing in on a far away space civilization which the film then moves to, as Isaac narrates the Hubbard message.   This is the famous Class 6 Saint Hill Special Briefing Course only, tech film, called “Why TRs” which I call the Isaac Hayes film.    This is as much as is in the public domain, relating to this very important L. Ron Hubbard training film.   There's one more tiny half second snippet from the space platform seconds later in this same Golden Era Productions advertisement presentation video at the Scientology official website.   - Chuck Beatty, ex Scientology staffer (1975-2003)

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

I would have put that all on a slide, Chuck, just to freak them out. Should have thought of it.

Old OT7
Old OT7

Scientology says Hubbard invented music a few moments after creation.  He was known as Arpen back then.  The Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys and every other band, singer, orchestra, musical group owe EVERYTHING to this drug using, pathological lying, galactic roving individual. 

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Yeah, but I like this one because Robertson can actually sing. I love it when he goes operatic about the time Katie shows up.

SFF
SFF

I have a copy of that album on tape somewhere. The song sung by Hubbard is far from the worst thing on that album.

The title track, "Road to Freedom", feels like it could easily be re-purposed to be a plea to Sea Org members to escape.

mirele
mirele

"Thank You For Listening" is such a gawdawful...I can't even begin to express it. Of course, all the songs on that album are gawdawful. Elron's song is only the worst of a bad lot.

Old OT7
Old OT7

I remember reading what Hubbard said about that episode (auditing the tomato).  He said he could hear the  tomato scream when he sliced into it.

Mark, have you done OT3 yet?

choocho
choocho

ROFL, Terryeo, how did the cannbis and opium poppies feel when Hubbard packed them into a bowl and smoked them?

Guest
Guest

OK Mark,

I know that, as a scientologist, they don't really let you get a good education.  However, they SHOULD teach you how your praying machine works (the e-meter). 

It's called a skin galvanometer.  It's a cheap gizmo that was part of lie detectors long before your church decided it was the way to practice religion.

And it doesn't work on plants.

Including tomatoes.

The basis of the skin galvanometer is the sympathetic nervous system which changes skin moisture when you lie. 

Tomatoes don't have sympathetic nervous systems. Ron might have known that if he didn't flunk out of school.

Still, would love to see all that great research Ron did - although since he didn't really do any research, it would be hard to provide it for our review!

candace6
candace6

Really Mark?  To me it looks like little more than some nut staring at a tomato.  Just curious though, where might one find all of this "research" Hubbard supposedly did on plant life and their, ahem, "communication" with each other?

Clarkle
Clarkle

Sounds like he was smoking some plants.

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

No, no no! Hooking up a friggin tomato to an emeter REALLY DOESN'T COUNT AS RESEARCH!

I put a carrot in the toaster once to see what would happen. That's about the level of Ron's "research" in between swigs of rum and handsful of pinks and greys.

The difference is, I wasn't stoned, and I wasn't pretending to be a scientist.I was five years old.

"...how plants life communicates with each other and how share their feelings (of pain and such) with each other."

How plants life communicates...how share their feelings...

Did Scientology run out of people who can write in correct English, or are they scraping the ESL barrel?

Guest
Guest

 Hubbard also fancied himself an expert at art.  This prompted him to write a book called "Art."  If this book serves no other purpose beyond prompting the following hilarious customer review on Amazon, then it has done well:

"The work that reaches the most people...that communicates clearly with the masses, this is true art. Hubbard tells us this in his ludicrously patronizing writing. Surely the people who read this book are in 3rd grade. That is the level at which he communicates. He takes the creative and commercializes it..he takes art and demeans it, stripping it of whatever purpose, expression and soul it might have. This message is only underlined by the rest of the book, which defines how one goes about being an artist. Color, depth perception, tools....these things that you might find in your very first High School art class. He takes it one step further by showing us how gargantuan his ego is. He tells the reader (probably an artist) that certain techniques work better than others. For example, you should not use a rectangle and an octagon in the same work. Several different type sizes should not be cluttered onto one page..especially if they are on different lines. I wonder where some of the most current, inventive and visually stunning works of advertising would be if Hubbard had gotten to their creators.

There are no rules in art, and Hubbard sets rules on the first page. You cannot define, confine, and codify art. That is its very nature. Take that away, and what you have is advertising. The only art form that can be said to, by definition, have to communicate. His book, Art, loses any credibility when he sets his underlying theme down. From there on, all it does is serve to show what a monstrous ego he has. That Hubbard is not an artist is abundantly clear. That he is a poor writer of the lowest quality is also abundantly clear. That is the only certainty in this book, beyond the fact that it is nothing but a collection of badly written phrases attempting to tell artists something that they know is nonsense."-Customer review

LOL !!!  And this pretty much parallels Hubbard's contribution to religion!

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Man, that was some good chops there.  Too bad he didn't take up a career in Opera! I thought it was a hired voice, it was that good. Knowing it is Robertson singing makes the video even funnier.

The one and only time I saw Robertson was in 1981 or so, when I was visiting the Los Angeles organization. He was by himself, unaware that I was watching him. He looked to me to be completely out of his mind. Standing at attention and giving marching orders to an imaginary crew about the confederacy, his voice became louder and I became concerned. I was the only one in the area so I used the reception desk phone and asked the operator to get the Ethics Officer to come down and help remove him from the hallway so as to not scare anyone else. It was that scarey!

I found out later who he was. A real 'celebrity'.  A good friend of L Ron Hubbard's!. If only I'd taken the cue at that time and left the building myself!

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

I thought it was wonderful.  What lousy taste you have.  Ron has a wonderful sounding voice.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

I don't know if Ron did that -- but most intelligent people experiment will various things.  For the sake of data.  Not to smoke all day like I was told you do.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Guest----  I have been on a skin galvanometer and a e meter.  The e meter is something very rewarding if you really want to discover hidden stuff in you self than you didn't know, but becomes very clear as the e meter gets you closer and closer to it.  At that point you become free of whatever was bothering you.  Don't believe me --- that's your choice

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Dear Ms. C.,       There are many ways to communicate.  For example, just touching someone is a communication.  I never said Hubbard was communicating with plants (but my mom says she does it every day).

Old OT7
Old OT7

The cult claims that Hubbard did 30 years of research that resulted in Dianetics.  Problem is, they've never released the material.  Hubbard's first son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. said in an interview that his dad never did any real research.  He gave his son (aka Nibs) drug laced bubble gum and just wrote down what he said and that became scripture..  According to Hubbard Jr., his dad was quite heavy into drugs.  He also said, "You have to understand, my father didn't worship Satan, he thought he was Satan."

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Apparently, Mr. D., you showed, at an early age, some degree of research intelligence.  What ever happened to that great spirit? 

Someday you will go far.  Keep putting Veggies into toasters.  

What I  am saying is that plants share their feelings with each other.

Old OT7
Old OT7

Toward the end of his life, Capt. Bill lived with a friend of mine, Mike Goldstein, in  his basement in Colorado.  Mike said he was obsessed with the "Mother Ship" coming to get him.  Although I never got to meet Bill Robertson, I was told he was a great guy but gradually slipped into a delusional state.  If that really is him singing, he could have had one heck of a great career. 

MarkStark
MarkStark

So, nuttier than a fruitcake eh? Looks like I'm going to miss my muster for the Galactic Patrol. Guess that 'splains why they didn't want him patrolling the suitcases of money.

Vocally, his vibrato is too fast for opera today, although he has a fine voice for operetta or musical theater. He has good diction as well.

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

Thanks, John. What I should have said was that Ron's lyrics were wonderful as was his voice.

John
John

 You don't really have to specify that his voice "sounds" nice.   That's redundant. But we'll give you a pass since you only got scientology school. 

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Exactly what I thought... What? How can people still buy into 1950's scare tactics?

OTIII info can be found in Hubbard's own voice all over the net. Sorry if I goofed the floof for you.

Guest
Guest

They look exactly like the harleys of the 70's and 80's, except that instead of exhaust pipes they had rocket tubes, and the motorcycle helmets were pressure-sealed with oxygen. But they also had side-cars attached that were filled with glycol-injected frozen souls. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Guest 1,Hey, you can't sh-t done with an SG, why don't get a hold of a real meter that can do you some real good -- like our wonderful Electro-psychometer.  I know what it can do -- sorry that you are so narrow minded.  I hope you will give it a try someday.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

A true galactic ruler with access to rocket powered DC8s would send hisenemies into a sun rather than spending extra effort on locating a planet many light years away to drop his garbage. BTW, has Miscavige changed DC8s to Harleys in his latest version?

Guest
Guest

The "wogs" in the mainstream have long ago surpassed the dilettante, Hubbard, with the huge area of research called biofeedback.  (Actually, he stole the e-meter idea, but who's keeping track.) Skin galvanometry is part of that and you can buy a biofeedback device (much, much more sophisticated than your 1950's era e-meter)  on the internet for $100. (How much did you pay for your e-meter?  $3,000 ??)

Don't pretend the ancient e-meter and baseless Hubbard speculation on the nature of the mind is in-pace with all the biofeedback research that has been done since then.  

If you're really in to biofeedback, pick up a "Wild Divine" unit for $200 (vouched for by Dr.Weil, and Dr.Chopra... real doctors, not frauds like Hubbard), read the manual, and do it.

 I've just saved you $300,000. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

DMSTCC----  I think you are mistaken.  Here is the correct way to use the word mom. 

I asked my mom, "Hey, Mom where did you put the tomato plant seeds?"

Just think, as SCN expands, D., you'll have more and more of our help. 

I'd rather be auditing you though.  Auditing covers the essential things.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

I hope you stay close to your Mom  regardless of the inevitable collapse of your "church". Family should always come first. If it wasn't for your parents you would not exist in your present form. Do you believe in genetics?

BTW - Mom should always be started with upper case "M". Look on the bright side; As your organization deteriorates, you get free lessons in basic English.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

The definition of the word "cult" is well documented in books and the web. I would love to read your take on the subject of "what is a cult". When you google the word "cult" what do you read?

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

Rajneesh---- Perhaps you could get a good interruption of the written works of Buddha and compare it to Hubbard's writings.

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

Guest---- Let's be serious.  There is no reason that genetic inteligence would have a need to play chess, or say, speak english.  I think it is faulty, to judge them by our needs and pleasures.  No one should expect them to do more than they already do --- and do quite well, I would like to add.

Rajneesh
Rajneesh

I would love to be hearing more about your theory.  I'm interested very muchly.

Guest
Guest

 Mark,

I think you really hit the nail on the head when you commented that plants don't harbor a concept of death.  That's an astute observation.  I've also found that plants aren't very good Chess players.  That's my observation. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Guest---- I have studied quite a few similarities between SCN and Buddhism.  I think LRH was probably the original Buddha.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

DMSTCC ----  My feeling is that genetic intelligence is a non-physical (spiritual) thing.

----Guest----  I did not say that their level of intelligence is equivalent to human intelligence (nor even the intelligence abilities of our on body’s genetics).  I think there are different levels of genetic intelligence.  My feeling is that the concept of “death” is probably a high-level intelligence (human) conception; and that plants may have no concept of death other than as a consideration that they are of loosing one body form and will be evolving into another one.           As far as genetic intelligence "traveling" from point A to point B is concerned, the various forms of genetic intelligence do not need a physical transportation vehicle in the same way that spiritual beings do not need them either.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

My feeling is that genetic intelligence in a non-physical (spiritual) thing.I did not say that its level of intelligence equals ours or event the intelligence of our bodies. As far a "traveling" from point A to point B is concerned, genetic intelligence doesn't need a physical transportation vehicle just like spiritual beings don't need them either.

Guest
Guest

Yes, DNA fragments could be lodged in meteorites. It's possible even a single cell organism could survive in a meteorite.  But we're not talking the "intelligence" that "knows it will live again" as Mark implies.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

I'll have to come to MM's defense here. Just as the elements of our universe can be found either sparse or concentrated, so can intelligence be dispersed. However, if one can hone in on the source of this, he will surely avoid the pitfall of black holes of his soul and be able to create a new and better universe for all. 

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Oh, that's right! I nearly forgot. Silly me.

L. Ron Hubbard was a Genetic Engineer and won a Nobel Prize for it! 

What year was that, 1960?The guy won so many prizes I just can't keep them all straight in my mind anymore.

Guest
Guest

 I'm curious how that molecular ("genetic") intelligence gets transferred to Mars and Venus, like your religion's founder implies.   I mean, that stuff doesn't fly through space like that.  Even if you're on the Galactic Patrol!!  (Salutes)

Guest
Guest

 Well then you should be a buddhist instead of a scientologist.  Their scriptures and practices are universally respected, and you can practice for free.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

What are you sorry about? Having an IQ the square root of your shoe size?

We don't care about that.

We just hope against all hope that you don't spawn.

Darwin Awards, here you come!

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Here's some sincere help for you Mark Miglio:

"They're having their lunch over there." Not so difficult or is it?

Endive Salad! Awesome! Let's eat it raw!

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Mark,

"there", "their", "they're" - please word clear these. You're all over the road (in your little yellow bus)

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Thanks for the tip, Guest.

       By the way, Guest, which "Guest" are you?  We have so many on this site.         Could I ask you to put a number after the word Guest; as in, say, "Guest 007".   I ask this because I'd like to know if I already spoken to you. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Dorionp----  I agree, it is bizarre.

I think there is a genetic intelligence in all living things. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Yea, Tony, I think that their is a genetic intelligence that knows it will live another life.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

          No, Tony, I think it may be more like:  "It's a difficult world --- life is tough -- but I do what I can to help.  These people need to eat; and I have to die sometime, anyhow."           "These people have treated be well.  I would have liked to live longer --- but, oh well, I'll have a new life soon enough."

         Do you remember in Avatar where the indigenous people thanked the animals before they slaughter them?                    Well, I don't do that -- but idea has merit. 

Guest
Guest

"What I  am saying is that plants share their feelings with each other."-Mark

Mark, once again you sound like your cult founder, Ron Hubbard.  You state the speculative as fact, with an authoritarian tone.

It would be more true-to-your scientology roots if you said: "We've been researching this and are considered the world authority on plant feelings.  Our extensive and exhaustive research has demonstrated, without exception, that plants share their feelings."

Clarkle
Clarkle

"that plants are willing to make a sacrifice to us"  Do they have a choice?  Granted, I don't carry on conversations with my produce, but this just seems bizarre.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

So what you're saying is that an endive's last thoughts, just before it goes down my gullet, is "I regret nothing!" Hm. OK.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Yea, Tony, I feel the same way.  What I have decided (and I hope this is true) is that plants are willing to make a sacrifice to us (as a needful source of food)... it's their way of making a contribution to the life force.  All that we should do (my personal feeling) is that we should to try to be as nice as possible (or sensible) to them until that time that we take them to our plates.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

No worries, Mark is just proving that you don't need a brain (shock absorber) to communicate in more ways than one.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Damn, Mark, I don't know if I like that idea. I mean, imagine what the plants are saying to each other as I put another forkful of salad into my mouth. Jeez. You just put me off my lunch.

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