Scientology Quick Hits: Janet Reitman Is Not Afraid, and Other News

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Some updates and news nuggets from around the world of Scientology watching this Tuesday morning:

-- Our story about Placido Domingo Jr. picked up another British newspaper with a report in The Telegraph. We're told that it's making waves all over Latin America, too.

-- Last night, Janet Reitman made her second appearance to support her book, Inside Scientology, reading to a packed crowd at Half King in Chelsea. One of the people in attendance was ex-Scientologist Larry Brennan, who Reitman acknowledged as one of the people who was an invaluable source for the book. For me, the most interesting moment of the night was when someone in the audience brought up Paulette Cooper, the last a journalist who wrote a book about Scientology, in 1971. [Oops. Forgot about Russell Miller, "Bare-Faced Messiah," 1987.]

Cooper was targeted for extreme retaliation by Scientology that was intended to either drive her insane or get her imprisoned for life. Was Reitman concerned that she'd suffer the same fate, she was asked. It was something to see Reitman make a steely glare and say she wasn't afraid in the least. There was no question that she meant it.

-- Roger Friedman has an interesting scoop about how the Jett Travolta Foundation is spending its money. You remember the tragic story of Jett, the son of John and Travolta and Kelly Preston who died in 2009 after having a seizure and hitting his head while the family was in the Bahamas. Some controversy followed because for years the family had attributed Jett's seizure problems to a little-known condition called "Kawasaki Syndrome." But to Bahamian police, Travolta admitted that Jett actually suffered from autism -- a slap to Scientology, which insists that autism doesn't exist and is a fantasy of the evil psychiatric profession. In the wake of Jett's death, Travolta created a foundation in his son's name. Friedman checked the foundation's most recent tax records to see how it was giving to charity. Would money in Jett's name go to Kawasaki Syndrome research? Autism charities? No. Sadly, and predictably, some of the money is instead going to Scientology itself. Out of the $27,850 the foundation gave in 2010, $2,500 went to a Scientology detox charity in Ocala, Florida, Friedman reports.

-- Over the weekend, the Australian newspaper The Age reported that the church of Scientology is threatening to sue an anti-cult group there for defamation. The church doesn't like various things said about it in a brochure the "Cult Information and Family Support" organization put out to advertise a national conference in Brisbane. The brochure claimed that Scientology "psychologically manipulates persons under coercive controlling circumstances and runs a 'labour camp.'" Perhaps one of our readers could fill us in on Australian libel law. In the U.S., there is no chance that such a lawsuit could gain much traction -- everything in the brochure could be backed up with plenty of evidence from court cases, let alone press reports. But what we found more interesting than the possibility of a defamation lawsuit in Australia was the fascinating response from a church spokeswoman, Virginia Stewart, who said that Scientology "shares none of the characteristics of a cult":

''We do not have a messianic leader, we do not predict the end of the world, our members are urged to think for themselves and are not subject to 'coercive persuasion or mind control'. And we most certainly do not promote suicide or murder as solutions to human unhappiness. Quite the opposite,'' she said.

You may or may not have noticed it, but here at Runnin' Scared, we try not to use the "c" word. We'll quote someone using the word, but to us, "cult" is an overused label fraught with contradictory meanings, and ultimately a useless way to describe something as complex and interesting as Scientology.

However, it is notable to see a spokeswoman from Scientology explaining why her church is not a cult. We'll leave it to our readers to go through her individual points and examine whether they are convincing or not.


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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"


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Scilonschools
Scilonschools

I remeber the clip from Panaroma of UK politician Charles Hendry MP standing up in parliament supporting the View that the Church of scientology was not a cult!Though a critic of 'Scientology' as practiced by the current Church, the version of Scientology that is persued by Indies on Marty's Blog (REAL? Scientology) does seem to have a very different flavor!

Transremaxculver
Transremaxculver

I havent had the oportunity to read Ms Reitmans book yet, but I get the impression she has managed to put herself just on the right side of the CO$ for now at least. A part of the problem defining Scientology aa a cult is that it is now gaining some distance from its origins, so looks more like a traditional religion.

Unfortunately this doesn't make it any more ethical, or necissarily dilute the more disturbing ideas expressed by its founder L Ron Hubbard.

http://transremaxculver.wordpr...

I hope the link is within policy, appologies if it is not.

Schockenawd
Schockenawd

Tony, you're right about the label "cult."  It's insufficient to characterize Scientology.  Demanding unquestioning loyalty from adherents, holding members against their will, requiring that they disconnect from dissenters... those are things a mere cult might do.  Scientology is so much more.  Reitman's book does a fantastic job of describing some -- but not nearly all -- of the reasons why.  The story of Scientology needs more telling, and I, for one, hope she keeps on telling it.  Maybe Volume II will end with the story of Miscavige's downfall.  That cat must be somewhere near his 9th life by now.

Guest
Guest

The question is not *IF* Janet Reitman will be fair-gamed -- but how. Fair Game is Scientology's established policy. Why should they make an exception just for her?

The timing of John Travolta's 'announcement' could hardly have been a coincidence. Coming right after the Placido Domingo news broke - news that quickly spread to every celebrity site around the world. Maybe the OSA plans celebrity "news" in advance, waiting for the right moment to release it?

Let's see what happens when the next "Scientologist celebrity quits in disgust" story hits the headlines. Will it be quickly bumped off the front page by some puff-piece about Tom Cruise or Kirstie Alley doing something for charity?

MarkStark
MarkStark

While Scientology may not have set a date for the End of the World, Hubbard did set a date to present to the public "The World's First Clear." It was to be the beginning of the new world order of the Homo Novis, the superior scientology super being that would form into legions and "clear the planet." It flopped miserably.

There were Scientologits who claimed the planet would be clear in a year!

Since then, Scientology hasn't attempted to present any "clears" or people with "super powers" to the public. They won't even present their leader David Miscavige to the public, which is all kind of cult-ish, no?

The last attempt for Scientology to prove something to the public, was when Tom Cruise informed the world of the evil psychiatrists, and set Brooke Shields straight on the use of psych drugs like Paxil. The campaign was to bring about an Apocalypse for the evil psychs and big pharma, leave the public in awe about  the scientological wisdom of Tom Cruise. All it did was put a big dent in his career, and make him a laughing stock, giving rise to thousands of new critics, or at least people who knew scientology was a big fat scam.

So, if you don't want to be a cult Scientology, you can start by giving away your doctrine for free, and not making such a controlling trap of it all.

freeSanDiego1
freeSanDiego1

Poor Tommy Davis has his work cut out for him. Of course Miscavige is still gonna kick the crap outta him and send him to RPF to scrub bathroom floors.

Fake Tommy Davis
Fake Tommy Davis

Listen to Epac! Yeah, who cares! Indifference to fascism parading as religion, alive and well (okay, so semi-well thanks to bastards like Ortega) in America's back yard has helped us flourish for decades! There is no pink elephant in the room!

By the way, anyone got the keys to this place who can let me out. I've scrubbed the dumpsters with a toothbrush twice now and this rice and beans shit is getting old.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Thank you for your front line report on Janet Reitman's Book Tour.

[Oops. Forgot about Russell Miller, "Bare-Faced Messiah," 1987.]

Also, Robert Kaufman, 1972/73 - Inside Scientology - ISBN 0700401105

Full title: Inside Scientology: How I Joined Scientology and Became Superhuman

William S. Burroughs gave the book a very positive review in Rolling Stone. This led to a battle of letters between Burroughs and Scientology supporters that played out in the pages of Rolling Stone.

Epac
Epac

Question: why is the Voice spending so much time on Scientology? I'll be the first to admit they're a bunch of wack-jobs, but seriously...who cares?

Hartley Patterson
Hartley Patterson

In reality the modern meaning of Cult is well established, but as with other 'controversial' subjects the denialists pretend that it isn't. It is a checklist rather than a dictionary definition, and the Church of Scientology gets most boxes ticked.The big taboo is that there is no clear divide between 'cult' and 'religious organisation', just as there is no clear divide between 'pornography' and 'art'. Groups that started out harmless can slide into cultism, cults can grow up, reform and become religions. 

Ron
Ron

I don't know where Virginia Stewart found that rigged definition of cult, but Scientology doesn't seem to pass even that one unscathed.

Dr. Robert Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform is one of many benchmarks for measuring organizations for their totalist ideologies. (Avoiding the c word.) Try Scientology against this one, and I think that it's a good fit:http://icsahome.com/infoserv_r...

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

:''We do not have a messianic leader, we do not predict the end of the world, our members are urged to think for themselves and are not subject to 'coercive persuasion or mind control'. And we most certainly do not promote suicide or murder as solutions to human unhappiness. Quite the opposite,'' she said."

1. Yes you do. He's daid, but that hasn't stopped you 'hiphip hooraying' his picture at events, which doesn't look at all odd.

2. Yes you do. The end of the world is nigh! Society is on a downward spiral that only Scientology can reverse. Does she even read her own cult PR?

3. Hah! Hah! Hah! Just having a motto of "think for yourself" doesn't mean it's encouraged. Recent tales from the freshly escaped tell another story.

4. Explain how R2-45 and "dropping the meat body" doesn't promote suicide and homicide.

Keep on spewing those lies, Ronbots. We'll keep on exposing them. And, excuse the term, "slapping them down."

kyote
kyote

What was the Travolta announcement?

MarkStark
MarkStark

"The question is not *IF* Janet Reitman will be fair-gamed -- but how. Fair Game is Scientology's established policy. Why should they make an exception just for her?"

If I had written this book, I'd worry about some subtle garbage the cult would try to punish me with. If the book is big, there's always a remote chance a mentally unstable (estimated as high as 10% in Scientology) member will come after her, for interfering with planetary salvage.

The makeup of the cult is condensing now, and some of the people at the bottom of the barrel aren't really what I'd call stable.

Hubbard reacted so strongly against Cooper, because they thought the backlash from her book would be enormous. It wasn't, and as good as they were, neither Miller's or Behar's  articles/book did not stop the influx of vulnerable people into the cult either.

But what if Janet's book is enormous and starts shaking high rollers out of the cult?

Right now though, they are just busy tormenting ex-members (and even people around them, like Mike Rinder's employer) and trying to keep the cult membership together. The last thing they need is to fair game Janet when she's before the public eye. Poor Paulette was just on her own, no internet, no anonymous.

Janet may feel the pressure disappear when Wright's book comes out. If Janet's doesn't do it, Wright's book could have the power to pull politicians into the fray for removing their tax exemptions and more.

Wright's article has already had a big impact. He's one of the most respected writers in the world.

The cult is making huge mistakes and Tony is picking up on it all. The interview he did with Placido Jr. was important.  

Guest
Guest

It seem to be proportional to how well-informed someone is.  The intelligent, well-informed observers are furious about the destruction and deception conducted by scientology. The less informed are more likely to say "meh, just like the Lutherans."

Look into the details and you will find the answer.

Sanddancer
Sanddancer

Because there's a story to be told. Mr Ortega is shining a spotlight on the deplorable practices of an entity that prefers staying in the shadows. No one's saying you have to click and read the articles.

Guest
Guest

Might I suggest you read Janet Reitman's book, "Inside Scientology"?  You will find out about their many front groups and also some of the means of  infiltration in our society, in schools,  government,  financial institutions, and with it bringing the coersion, blackmail and criminally tinted tactics of getting what they want.

So yes,  there are reasons to know more about it because what they want, what they really, really want is to control all sectors of society, on the entire planet, and that includes getting rid of "nattery" people who write (or even think) unfavorable things about it, like wacko.  Oh, and they have a few very wealthy patrons feeding the machine.

Sharon Angle, now there's an example that should scare the hell out of anyone.  And there's this other reason.  It's been decades now that neither the IRS Commish, Atty General, FBI has acted to protect its victims and their communities, which has left many wondering why. 

Jeff Lebowski
Jeff Lebowski

I get what you're saying and sure, there are plenty of groups out there abusing people, but if there's one thing the public hates, it's a liar.  Scientology masquerades as high scale, hugely popular religion with millions of members, but 90% of their time and money is spent deceiving people.  They flood the Google news with bogus stories, pay people to show up at their new org openings, and generally put on this facade when the actual truth is a polar opposite. 

As a member of the uninvolved public, I hate when a business/organization/"religion" assumes we're stupid.  And when the truth is that people's lives are ruined and families torn apart, I want the world to find out immediately.  Maybe Scientology is still fooling some people, but thanks to Tony Ortega, more and more people are seeing the truth behind this pathetic excuse for a religion. 

EyesOnYou
EyesOnYou

Here's why Epac. Because under the guise of a religion it is destroying people's lives. Yes, those involved who have drunk the kool-aid are wack jobs, but their non-involved family members are made to suffer if they disapprove of church practices. There are many reasons this cult needs to be brought down. That's just one. You've obviously read about them here. So Ortega, as an investigative journalist is attempting to expose the corruption and vile practices. You may not care, but there are tens of thousands who are affected and do.

kyote
kyote

I care!  The Voice is one of the few media outlets conscientious enough to keep track of this and spread the word.  Even though most of the public like to joke about Scientology or dismiss it, people's lives and families are begin ruined by this org, and there isn't enough justice for them or knowledge of it.  Also, it's good, honest reporting.  And entertaining writing.  And for people who don't care about these issues or don't think it impacts their lives at all, they should consider how criminal it is that the org has tax exempt status.  Our whole society is damaged by that.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Mr. D.,        The "end of the world" will happen, or not happen, depending on what we do or do.       Suggestion:  There are way to many atomic weapons all over the place, so how about all of you help SCN to what it can to help avoid a worldwide nuclear winter?  Instead of attacking us, would you please help.  We live in dangerous times.  Very dangerous.

MarkStark
MarkStark

How could Scientology be a cult? Scientology bought the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) just so they could help people be aware they aren't a cult. Before, too many family members of people trapped in the Scientology cult, were being informed and helped by CAN and that had to stop. Just as it has to stop with this similar volunteer organization in Australia.

Scientology is here to help people obtain freedom, including freedom from any notion Scientology is a cult.

Anyone who thinks Scientology is a cult is hiding crimes, and belongs in prison, or should be "disposed of quietly without sorrow," according to Hubbard. Tom Cruise would want 'em in the "history books" with the other SPs. (Not that Tom has ever read a history book; he's too busy reading Hubbard and CCHR cuckoo.)

If Scientology makes children haul rocks or puts people in hard labor prison camp for "having unkind thoughts about Hubbard," that's just spiritual rehabilitation, an ecclesiastical retreat. Tommy Davis, cult spokescreature, said so.

They don't salute portraits of Hubbard like he's Jesus, it's more like he's just, Stalin, but still alive. They didn't leave Hubbard's Kool cigarettes waiting on a desk for him in every Org, because they expected him to come back! It is just done as a sign of respect, for Hubbard's Teegeeack-shattering research on radiation and the health benefits of chain smoking.

Xenu? Xenu who! They don't have any secrets. Just walk into an Org and see for yourself.

Maxchampion
Maxchampion

You'll have to give Virginia Stewart some leeway, Barbz. She's been spending time in Scientology's labour camp. Oh wait...

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Thank you for the excellent post, MarkStark.

I think that it is very nicely thought through and carefully reported. 

What with Hugh B. Urban's book being released next month, and a likelihood of Lawrence Wright's book following - perhaps sometime during the remainder of the year - impact evaluations will be met with some fascination, here of course, and elsewhere.

I believe it possible that 2011 may be the year that "hell broke loose" for the cult and that by the end-of-year, its rotten, decaying fangs will be close to falling out. 

Ian McEllen
Ian McEllen

I think that Reitman is relatively safe, at least from the corporate entity. Scientology has too many opponents now, too much of the world is realizing that they're dangerous. In the "before times" (you know, before the internet), they could harass critics and do nearly anything they wanted to attack them, and it would go relatively unnoticed. Now, every time they do something unethical or plain horrible, the world knows about it, and they're left issuing a press release about how some scientologist talked someone into having their legs amputated (I kid you not, that's their latest press release). But then again, I'm just a wog, so I could be wrong. After all, the entire city of ingelside by the bay is trying to fight the "squirrel busters" as they harass a former member, and scientology can't seem to figure out that it's making them look like a crazed cult. Not that they are, of course.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Sorry for the typos, I have corrected them:D------   The "end of the world" will happen, or will not happen, depending on what we do or don't do.  Suggestion:  There are way too many atomic weapons everywhere, so how about all of you helping SCN do what it can do to avoid a worldwide nuclear winter?  Instead of attacking us, would you please help us.  We live in dangerous times.  Very dangerous.   If we let our society continue on its current course we will probably all die.  It will be painful.  Many people will die slowly.

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

" we do not predict the end of the world..."

And here you are, contradicting your own spokesclam. Imma send a KR to RTC.Why are you worried about atomic weapons, to use a slightly outdated term? Ron says radiation just washes off, so no big deal.

BTW, what is SCN doing to help "avoid a worldwide nuclear winter?" Fundraising so your midget can die "standing tall" in new lift heel shoes?

candace6
candace6

It must drive Miscavige and his goons crazy that they can't pull another Cooper on Reitman.  No doubt they have fond memories of the world pre-internet. 

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Mark; it's your $acred cult that is on the verge of self-destruction. We're just here to watch, comment, and help it along, wherever and whenever possible. 

As per usual, you are projecting all of your dysfunctions, defects and problems outwards, onto other people and the world at large. 

You believe that anyone not practising $cientology is as defective as you are. Not so, Mark.

Watching an institutional train-wreck of this magnitude is rare, and the parts that don't involve the disgusting, nauseating denials about abuses of human rights are often very entertaining.

Sometimes, even your stupidity is entertaining, but that is very rare.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Mark; you should tell that one to Lisa McPherson's parents! 

They'll be relieved, by golly!

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

"<snip>... I'm sorry to say, you all will someday suffer for your sins to us and the spiritual evolution for this planet." 

So what do you and your vile corrupt cult have planned for us all, Mark? 

What forms of suffering are you intending to inflict upon us all? 

Be honest, now. You're one of the most ethical human beings on the planet and you mustn't proffer little white lies on us all. So, do tell!</snip>

Scientia
Scientia

DM was not hand-picked at all, lol. You are being lied to. Visit the savescientology website and read actual LRH documents outlining his intentions for management. Whilst you're at it, ask yourself why Pat Broeker suddenly disappeared after Hubbard's death, and why there is no LRH reference regarding the title "COB" or indeed Miscavige's placement.

Scientia
Scientia

No, Mark. As I have already explained, lots of "lotsofs" are not stats. Do you think when a Managing Director of a company asks his Regional Directors for their stats, they reply with "Lots, sir! We're definitely expanding!'

"A statistic is a number or amount compared to an earlier number or amount of the same thing. Statistics refer to the quantity of work done or the value of it in money. A down statistic means that the current number is less than it was. An up statistic means the current number is more than it was. We operate on statistics." -- LRH, HCO PL 16 December 1965, Issue II Organization of the Int Exec Division - Statistics of the International Executive Division (OEC Vol. 7, p. 89).

Scientia
Scientia

I don't read all the comments hete, Mark. Indulge me. Was there something specific?

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Gary,I have answered your interrogatory remarks; please see below.  (Slightly edited for better comprehension.)

1. Do you know anyone that has been expelled? (YES) I had friends --very good people-- that had been kicked out after they had read the stuff you all write everyday --- they turned against us.  They must have been brainwashed (or drugged) by the "Independent Scientologist" ("Squirrel") fake auditors: they really got very weird. 

2. Did you really like them while they were in the church (YES)  and then became convinced by their actions that they had very quickly became rabidly antagonistic members?  (YES----they bought up the black propaganda.)

3. Is NOT agreeing with management that is a true crime in your world?  (No, not at all; but of course, members have to follow a few operational rules --- that is, if you want to participate in our programs.)

4. If so, why?  (Scientologists and Scientology executives respect and often admire different points of view; but of course, our technology cannot be altered or corrupted to substitute for the lack of understanding of standard procedure by every new Sam, Dick, and Harry.)

5. Are you afraid to disagree?  (No. I mean, I have confidence in my opinions and I feel the Church will evaluate what I recommend gladly.  They know that often there are no quick or simply way to get certain things done.  My input helps them evaluate how the general public and other Scientologists see things from their own perspective.)   6. Have you been saying that your former and current church leaders have been "creating false data" about having all the answers?   (I have never seen any of them say other than that they follow the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.  I have found that to be true, very definitely.  I don't expect anyone to have all the answers: I think life is way to complicated for that; I mean, individuals have their own data; they know their own area of expertise.)

7. Didn't Hubbard write books on these scenarios and then COB make them easier to follow?  (Ron gave many, many lectures.  Some people see a change in some procedure and then get all upset because they haven't see all the data: Ron had more than one way to get something done.  For example, I have seen at least three different ways to do a "touch assist" [[spiritual healing technology]].)

8. How can all of us ever work together, for the common good, when some commentators say that you "look down" on us as "wogs" and criminals?  (Oh, no please don't get into that again.  I mean, yes, I do think I am spiritually evolved, and yes I do think that stealing LRH materials for your "Independent Scientology" centers is criminal --- but I would like to say, very firmly, that I do not "look down" on anyone at all.  Let me put it this way...  We all want a better world, and I think that each of us is trying to accomplish that in the best way that he or she can; and I am certain that of each of us, in some way or another, add to the experience of life.  I hope it is understood in what I am saying, here, and that it is that I appreciate everyone, and all points of view.  I think life is a learning experience.  I could never really learn very much at all, if we all had the same abilities, disabilities, and viewpoints.  

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

Scientia----  Here's write I Wrote to Old OT 7 it should answer your concerns:

(but first -- thank you for the good LRH quote -- please keep in mind that was personally picked by Ron as his successor, and also that David worked many years as Ron's right-hand executive!)

I have been a Scientologist for quite some time and I have seen expansion all over the place.  We have 60 years of heartbreaking work that we have done.  Even the people who say that have left us are, in any real sense, still are what you should call Scientologists ---- in their true heart they know that we gave them live enhancing self help. 

I say that if you you view this in the same way that a mother looks at the trouble she experiences with her teenage children you will experience the sense of responsibility that Scientologists have for former members. 

A real  mother views her family situation as I view other Scientologists, and that is in the same way that they would say:  I will always love my children and help them no matter what they did or what they are likely to do.  Morally, biologically, and otherwise, you can never say that your children are not your children even if they scream that they hate and disown you. 

You will always be there when they are ready to come home.  What you must do is to wait out the storm.  Life on of this earth is tough, and one should expect upsets and explosions.  It is all part of the universe's difficult process of needful learning.

Sincere people that buy Dianetics and Scientology books are the very best people on this planet because they really what to make a difference in a very big way -- in way that only Scientology can do like no others.  So if they buy a book and they have a good heart and have good intentions then they are a true Scientologist.  We will always stand behind them.  We will always help them.  We have lots of new organizations and missions and drug rehab facilities to help them whenever they need it.

We have lots of new Hubbard lectures, now priced at budget prices, that are recorded on quality CD's with full transcripts and massive glossaries to help them like never before.

We have new Sea Org members, newly renovated buildings, and we have newly bought buildings, shops, and factories.  We have new celebrities, and new friends in government and in other religious organizations.  We have new Way to Happiness users and members, and new teachers and children that are using Applied Scholastic education improvement technology.

We sold 20 million DMSMH --- quite some time ago --- obviously, the sales totals are much higher now; and people have bought Self Analysis, A New Slant on Life, and Fundamentals of Thought, etc., at the public book stores.  Also, there is always a lesson to learn in LRH fiction-market books, and we have sold plenty of those books like never before.  We now also sell mass-market CDs, and everyday someone is talking about Scientology in the media.  (So I say thank you, to you, and the other commentators on this site --- I mean seriously, thank you for the publicity.)

If you want to know how many of us there are, don't ask the survey taker:  the IRS spent 40 years harassing us; I would never tell a survey person that I was a Scientologist. 

You don't have to be a signed up member to be treated, and respected as a member, you just have to make helping people job 1.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Questions asked: 

1. Do you know anyone that has been expelled? 2. Did you like them while they were in and then convinced by your peers and/or uppers that they have suddenly become bad people? 3. Is not agreeing with management a true crime in your environment? 4. If so, why? 5. Are you afraid to disagree? 6. Are you stating that your former and current leaders have been creating false data about having all the answers?7. Didn't Hubbard write books on these scenarios and then COB make them easier to follow? 8. how can we work together when you look down on us as "wogs" and criminals...

Answered: 1. - Yes, I had friends (good guys) that had been kicked out...

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Ah, victimhood; so much fun for you, Mark.

IRS, FBI, suppressive people surrounding you, giving you illness and malaise; "religious" persecution around every corner and on every blog. 

And you love it. You wallow in it.

It's all part of the great work - Psychosis As Salvation.

But you bought the ticket and you're taking the ride. How do you like the victimhood express so far? Next stop - Dead Org!

Scientia
Scientia

What false data did your friends believe, Mark?

Guest
Guest

 I definitely think this Mark is trolling us.

Guest
Guest

Are you saying scientology is being harassed by the IRS and the FBI?

That's a powerful accusation!

Scientia
Scientia

What statistics do you see that are up, Mark?

How are you expanding in so many ways?

There really is no need to go down tone and start throwing insults. Or, for that matter, your A=A=A accusation that I = "the guys" (what's that about?)

Confront me, and communicate. These are valid questions, Mark. If you say the CoS is expanding, fine. Just show me the stats you are basing your claims on.

Per LRH ED 131 INT 8 Dec 1970 Life Repair Block, "Orgs have only 2 major final valuable products. One is well-trained auditors. The other is satisfied pcs. ..Tech and Admin policy exist only to assist making these two products IN VOLUME."

Please show me where you have observed these stats to be UP.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Scientia---- I see up statistics all over the place.  I have been around for a long time.  I have good powers of observation.I see bright intelligent happy Scientologists, and users and friends of Scientology, all over the place. You guys have failed.  We are expanding in so many ways.David Miscavige is doing a great job of expansion (and all kinds of improvements); you are mistaken --- and he is doing all this while a whole bunch of lunatics are messing with our members and trying to turn then against us.  What a crazy world -- get this, the ever most effective spiritual technology and its leaders are attacked every day in the Village Voice.  No one would believe this, if I was say, 50 years in to the future and I tried to explain to them about the crimes to Scientology, in the early days. 

The old good thing I can say is that one was able to kill Ron (and yes, they tried) like the way they killed poor old Jesus Christ.  You guys make me sick.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

You guys attack my emeter with your "factual" comments about the greatest psychological tool ever developed. 

Come on, don't play me as a fool  -- you know you lie and you justify it because you are right and we are wrong.  But there is no justification, I am sorry to say, you all will someday suffer for your sins to us and the spiritual evolution for this planet.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Yes, I had friends (good guys) that had been kicked out. Why?  Because they believed false data that ones have put out there.  They attacked the church and we kicked them out.  No harm done, someday they will be back.  I just think that they need some time to be alone.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Gary, If you don't look down on me then I don't look down on you.  I think it is more likey -- you think I am blind in some areas and I think you are blind in some areas.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

No one has all the answers because people are individuals, each one needs what he needs -- and it is only them that know what that is and how to get that.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Scientology (and me) never toss anyone aside. 

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Come on Guest, don't you see the mess we are in.  I mean, don't you think we need to spend as much time as possible on saving our society from self-destruction?  You, or your mates, here, said that we Scientologists "predict the end of the world" and I am saying that we don't --- but that we do realize that we all are in the extreme danger of self destruction.  This is not a "prediction" -- and your insistence that it is, is just another example of how you guys misunderstand what we do and say; purposely, I fear.

Scientia
Scientia

Mark, that sounds wonderful. Really, it does. Sadly it cannot be achieved in a group that is led, and being butchered, by a Suppressive Person. I suggested you look at the stats; did you? Check the mags and compare with 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

What is the Ideal Scene for the CoS? Thousands and thousands of big, booming orgs across the whole planet? Millions of auditors being trained. Millions more pcs going free. Standard Tech available to ALL. The chronic tone of mankind shoots upwards. Great PR, great word of mouth...aww shucks, everything's just great.

Now look at the current scene: a few big buildings look great but remain pretty empty for the most part. A small number of auditors are being made each year. Clear stats are at an all time low. Lousy PR. SHITE image. Don't believe me? All you have to do is LOOK. (It's not a dirty word, you know!)

WHY do you think we ended up here?

WHO is behind it?

Apply the tech, Mark. If you care even the slightest about KSW then for goodness sake, apply the tech.

Look, don't listen!

"To adjust a scene you have to LOOK AT IT." -- LRH, HCO PL 16 March 1972 Issue I, LOOK, DON'T LISTEN.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Dear D.,Sorry, no offense intended. I have met a lot of wonderful government people but the official policies of the government are destroying our country.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

"Disagree" is the wrong word, Mary.  We don't want people who are rabidly antagonistic.  We will help them at some later date after they stop being so antagonistic.We are winning, this is not lip service; it is you exSCNs that have lost.  I don't want you to go into apathy though; you can always ask for forgiveness and make amends for the damage you have done; which I think has been very heavy.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

I don't tell survey people I am a Scientologist. Anyone can be a Scientologist, they don't have to tell the survey person, "I am a Scientologist" so that the IRS/FBI may some day decide to harass them.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

 "I think that the government is pretty much of of the picture -- they are incompetent."Thank you so much for the" incompetent" statement. I'm sure my brother will appreciate the accolades bestowed about his many years of service in the "government". If you find out who I am you will also find out that I am not lying and your foot has a new hole.

Mary Magdalene
Mary Magdalene

How do you bring people together when it's the Scientologist goal to disconnect with anyone who disagrees?  How will you talk to them to help you clear the planet? Is this just lip service because you are losing? 

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Re: "our next life could be in a world that has no future"

  From what I've read from former members, your current life has no future. When you run out of money and are unable to "produce" your "church" will toss you aside as they have done to many others. Little or no money and no current friends to turn to because you are unable to contribute to the greater good. This is where the truly good people of this world shine. There are many people that help ex members get back on their feet.   Do you know anyone that has been expelled? Did you like them while they were in and then convinced by your peers and/or uppers that they have suddenly become bad people? Is not agreeing with management a true crime in your environment? If so, why? Are you afraid to disagree?  Also,  "You may have already figured out how you are going to do all this massive survival action; but the rest of us haven't a clue."  Are you stating that your former and current leaders have been creating false data about having all the answers? Didn't Hubbard write books on these scenarios and then COB make them easier to follow?  Finally, how can we work together when you look down on us as "wogs" and criminals because we don't buy into +95% of Hubbard's fiction.  This makes you the "haters".

Guest
Guest

I agree SFF!

If scientology would redirect its efforts, and use the "always attack, never defend" Hubbard mentality to expedite nuclear disarmament, rather than ruining families and bank accounts, I'd almost consider giving them a hall pass.

Arielle
Arielle

If mobilizing people is Scientology's best, then how come there are more Rastafarians in the world than Scientologists?

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

SFF---   What I think Scientologists do best is to mobilize and inspire people who want to want a difference.  Do you want to make a difference.  I do.  I am open to good suggestions that might to stop the world's stresses and hateful antagonisms.  I will help. I think that the government is pretty much of of the picture -- they are incompetent.  The main thing, I think, is to reduce stress.  Less stress = less explosive antagonisms.

Mark Miglio
Mark Miglio

Mr. D.,Even if you wash off the radiation from your body, how are you going to get it out of the environment and out of the air?            Radiation was a very long life, and it will travel in the air from one place to another.  Even if the air decontaminates in six weeks --- if you are one of the few that live in a lucky "unaffected" areas ---  what are you going to eat --- who is going to produce the food and what land will be available.           The forests and the soil of the earth will take a very, very long time to decontaminate, who is going to do all this cleanup?  Who is going to pay for it, who will have job to even pay taxes, were will all the government employees be working, what will they be doing other than arresting people who are unemployed, starving, and stealing.           Maybe you will be out of this path of extreme death, destruction, and long-term sicknesses, but what about the millions of people who are in the cities that have been attacked.  And what about medical treatment.  All areas of this country are depended upon the other areas.  If you live within the areas that have been attacked (or you are in someway supply-chain connected), do you think you will be able to get supplies of any kind like when there is no food, electrical, or petrol, production in key areas.           If electrical production stops, due to lack of coal, or whatever; the city water pumps won't pump.  Where will you be able to get your water from, and who will stop others from stealing it from you?            How will you put out the fire that could be burning your apartment building?            Food producers won't be able to grind their grains.            When something becomes broken -- just try to get it fixed -- you can't.           You can kiss the internet and your smart phone goodbye.            How long with this disaster last, and how many sick people will die, I don't know --- Let's work together to make sure it doesn't happen.  There are a lot of haters in the world, their solution is to kill people and now they really have weapons that will do just that; and don't believe propaganda that the government can prevent this extreme disaster.  They failed to handle Cuba, North Vietnam, Israel, the Arabs, or even relatively simple things like unemployment, and the New Orleans' Hurricane Katrina disaster relief.          You may have already figured out how you are going to do all this massive survival action; but the rest of us haven't a clue.  So like I said before, how about giving us Scientologists a hand, so that we all don't have to face the grim future that I see if we don't connect up with each other and establish a coordinated mission of some kind in order to reduce world stresses.  We need to work together as friends -- no more stresses.  Most of you were once with us; we can work out a way to work together again.  We need to stop the tensions; our next life could be in a world that has no future.

SFF
SFF

Apart from building underground bunkers to ensure that Hubbard's writings will survive a nuclear war (which doesn't really show much confidence), what exactly is Scientology doing on that front? Rather than expending energy attacking psychiatry why not take on the arms or nuclear industries or use the allegedly huge international organization to promote meaningful adherence to the non-proliferation treaty? Or using your lobbyists in the US to push for disarmament?

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