Scientology's Spies, its Prison System, and Training Jerry Seinfeld: The Spectacular Life of Nancy Many

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In both of the two major books about Scientology coming out this summer, Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology, and Hugh Urban's academic history, The Church of Scientology, we noticed that Nancy Many shows up multiple times. And no wonder: the former Scientologist has lived an amazing life. She happened to be in the right place to take part in or witness some of Scientology's most interesting moments, from working directly with L. Ron Hubbard, to spending time (while five months pregnant) assigned to the prison-detail RPF, to spying for both the Guardian's Office and its successor the Office of Special Affairs, to, years later, testifying in the Lisa McPherson civil trial.

Many put out her own book a couple of years ago, My Billion Year Contract: Memoir of a Scientologist that documents her career. We devoured it recently and then talked to Many about her crazy life.

You were in so many notable places and times. No wonder you show up in both Urban and Reitman's books.

Sometimes when those major things were happening, I would feel like I was in a weird movie.

We noticed that one of your many positions was to work with celebrities. You were even president of the Hollywood Celebrity Centre from 1980 to 1982. But you seemed pretty scrupulous about not mentioning any names. Can you tell us now who were some of the celebrities you worked with?

Jerry Seinfeld, for example.

SERIOUSLY? What can you tell us about Jerry in Scientology. He tends to downplay it today.

He was at the Celebrity Centre in New York. He did a few courses and he did one or two sessions. Then, the first time he want on the Johnny Carson show, in Los Angeles, before the show he came into the Hollywood Celebrity Centre and did his TRs [training routines] to prepare for it. And that's when he was a big hit and his career really took off. Then he went back to the CC in New York.

Was he in much longer after that?

He probably just dribbled out.

You were important to the Lisa McPherson civil lawsuit because you worked as an operative for both the Guardian's Office and its successor the Office of Special Affairs, the covert operations wings of the church. You were able to testify that OSA, despite what the church said, was largely continuing the same policies. In other words, you were able to say with some authority that Scientology has practiced spying operations over a large part of its history. How would you explain to someone unfamiliar with Scientology why it would even NEED a spy wing?

I have no idea why a religion needs a spy organization, especially one that rivals the FBI in sophistication -- as one FBI agent stated after the [1977] raids. I have worked for both and even though OSA says "we are not like the Guardian's Office," they are. They always attack both covertly and overtly. The operation we see on Marty Rathbun is the overt one. There is a corresponding covert action being taken. I do think Marty of all people, is aware of this.

Your experience in the Sea Org's internal prison, the RPF, was so incredible, having to sleep in a smelly parking garage while you were five months pregnant. Later, when you faced the prospect of going back in, you and your husband Chris chose to escape instead. That suggests to me that in some ways, the RPF is something of a mental prison, rather than one with bars. Do you wonder about how many people are on the RPF today, and what would you say to them to help them escape?

No, believe me, Chris and I had to escape. We were being kept separately and with different guards. They had taken our son, and we knew they could make him disappear or hold him hostage. At the time we escaped before we got him, we did not know if the church had already taken him elsewhere to be able to coerce and manipulate them. I am so sorry to say that these days they have motion detectors, cameras everywhere, in addition to the usual separation from the group and being kept under watch. It is disgusting. No pay, or if we got some it might be $10. Illegal living conditions. The best way to get out is like Daniel Montalvo and call someone on the outside and have them work to help you out.

You worked directly with Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard. How would you contrast him with what you know of the church's current leader, David Miscavige?

I also did know Miscavige. I first met him at Saint Hill [Saint Hill Manor in West Sussex, England] when he was about 14, then at Flag [in Clearwater, Florida], and then when he would come down to Florida from Gold [Scientology's secretive International headquarters near Hemet, California]. In fact when I was spying for RTC/OSA, they pulled me out...They knew I was burnt out and possibly going to turn. [This was during the time Scientology was suing David Mayo, a man running a rival Hubbard center in Santa Barbara. Many had been sent in to spy on it. She was then asked to help in the ensuing trial, in which Scientology was suing Mayo for copyright infringement.] I was prepped as a witness, but never took the stand. After they won, Miscavige and one of his assistants walked over to me and gave me one of those half hugs, shook my hand and had his arm around one shoulder. He thanked me for my work.

My basic view of the difference is that Hubbard was a human being. Yes, he had his faults, he could get angry. But he also had another side to him. He would go back and help clean up the damage done [by his temper].

Miscavige, on the other hand, feels that Tom Cruise is the greatest Scientologist and doing the most. That hit those of us out (even after many years) as a slap in the face. In Hubbard's time the most important people in Scientology were the Sea Org members. If a celebrity felt the urge to do more, he could work to gain the status called "Honorary Sea Org member." Miscavige denigrates Sea Org members while raising celebrities and other wealthy people to the level of being catered to by Sea Org members. Hubbard would never have done that. Never. Miscavige hurts people in anger, but then never goes back to repair things. Hubbard lived well, he had perks and privileges, but not the ostentatious life that Miscavige is building.

I met Tory Christman very shortly after she left Scientology. Those first months were very difficult for her. You seemed to be "recovering" from Scientology for years. What is it about Scientology, do you think, that makes it difficult to leave and recover from it?

It is very difficult to leave Scientology for many reasons but one of the main ones is the incredible friends you have made. You think: how can I leave them behind? In addition, if you leave you are left in limbo. No Scientologist, whether family, friend, or simply another member, will speak with you, let alone help. Most people after years in this group have lost all contact with any non-scientologists. So where do we go?

What's next for Nancy Many? You figure prominently in Reitman's book. Are you being asked to speak? Are you done with this subject? Are you experiencing any harassment?

I have had minor harassment, but truly none to speak of since Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun are providing cover. [The two former high-level executives seem to be bearing the brunt of OSA activities. That we know about, at least.] I have gone back to graduate school for the needed degree and training to be a chaplain. I am still being asked to speak, but I pick my avenues. I am still working with the mentally damaged people Scientology creates, and am saddened each time I learn of another suicide. After going through what I went through, one is never fully recovered, you simply have to integrate what happened into your past and move toward the future. It is a work in progress.


tortega@villagevoice.com | @VoiceTonyO

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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. Among his other stories about L. Ron Hubbard's organization:

The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"


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butseriously
butseriously

Nancy Many is certainly right about the long process of recovery. When Ifinished her book I thought "This woman is still hooked." Her husband suggested the same thing. Reading her article now I have the same awful feeling. She has still not come to terms with the reality of the sadist, Hubbard, as has, for example, Hanna Eltringham-Whitfield. It is worriesome to me that Many would be a chaplain-however well meaning. She strikes me as a true believer looking for her next home on planet insanity.

Thepiper
Thepiper

Tony, I love the gentle intro "she was in the right place to witness..." . I can't think of a worse place for a preg mom to be than on the way to RPF slave camp. "What religious study are we doing today,mein herr? Oh, we're going to Concentration Camp for the next few years to see how long it takes you to break and be more agreeable! Baby should love IT!" Remember, big brother is watching- it's for your own good!

figaro
figaro

Yes a prison without bars by how the conditioning in scientology captures the mind to serve its purposes or else. It can be how a convert enslaves their own mind by the conditioning of the policies & tech of the religion compelled to be do & have only scientology .like converts of religions feel forced to stay the course so as to eventually get to heaven & avoid hell. 

Nancy
Nancy

Do not forget the Upper Indocs, where people were trained in how to control another person and not let them leave.  Physical pressure was and can be used.  And does anyone remember "HCO Bring Order.  I've seen people tackled to the ground because they wanted to leave 

Old OT7
Old OT7

Back in the 70s in Hawaii, someone in the mission called out, "HCO BRING ORDER!"  Someone had come into the mission and was summarily tossed out for making fun of scientology.   And you're absolutely right!  You are very carefully taught to control people  and to be controlled yourself.  Remember being asked to send a thought to a person on the other side of the planet making them send you a postcard?  In hushed tones, everyone told me it never happened.

Appledore2
Appledore2

I so remember that.  I was among the first Registrars to be trained on the used car salesman book by Les Dane.  Believe me after that long period of drilling it into your head and practice practice practice - execs listening into your private conversations with interested people to find you "mistakes",, as my firend who also recieved this training in manipulation -- we can sell snow to the Eskimo's, no doubt.nancy

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Anyone who wants to leave, can leave.  Please do so. 

Old OT7
Old OT7

I'll sign that memo, Gary!  Very well put!  Of course, you know what will happen the first time a member tries to speak up.  Heck, Heber was the president of scientology and now resides in the "Hole" at Int Base.

Xenusad
Xenusad

 Agreed!  We can't really claim to be owed any form of respect from the general public until we start promote transparency and own up to our crimes.  The "coming clean" needs to happen, and part of that is the irresponsible fiscal structure that bankrupts so many vulnerable practitioners. 

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

And you are welcome to like whatever parts of scientology that you like. There is no problem with any of that. 

As you have stated, it's the abuses and criminality that are so vile, and must be stopped. 

And if you, as a scientologist really recognize such problems, it is incumbent upon you to do whatever you can to stop the abuses taking place within the organization.

If you witness criminal behaviour, report it. If you are a witness to abusive behaviour, step up and stop it. 

But please, don't stop at just being fed up. Show some courage and take a stand for what is appropriate human behaviour, not the moonbat fascism that so many of us are completely fed up with.

Xenusad
Xenusad

Some of us scientologists are just feed up with the fee structure and human rights abuses, but otherwise still like some parts of scientology.

Old OT7
Old OT7

And they are.  In droves.  But, of course, you'll never hear it from your masters.  Did you really think your cult had 10 million members?

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Good to see the Village Voice spotlighting Nancy Many. Readers can get a more indepth answer to questions like these by reading her excellent book. Many's book is one of the most revelatory tomes on Scientology from the member point of view.

Paul Jay Salerno
Paul Jay Salerno

OSA I can smell you out there waiting to post. We are crashing your stats bitches.

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

No you are not.  Hey, thanks for the publicity!

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

I think I'm starting to get it, with Mark Miglio.

It's an OSA strategy, attempting to bore us to death. 

Isn't going to happen but sometimes they do try hard.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Nancy; I believe that your analysis of the celebrities and ultra-rich is probably quite accurate. 

The org in my city is a wasteland.

The pictures of the Toronto org present an image of architectural decay gone very bad. No up keep whatsoever. Of course there may be shiny, new buildings in place, but there are no clients. 

Of some interest, over the last couple of weeks, I've seen photos posted on-line of org entrances sporting "Help Wanted" and "Now Hiring" signage. It would appear that the supply of 'slaves' has dwindled. 

nancy
nancy

I wonder why the Celebrities and Rich Members are told not to go into any of these "orgs" after the grand openings?  They are told they will get their auditing and training from special units.  Could it be that management (DM) doesn't  want the Donors to see that their money bought no new members, or that a lot of these Organizations can't even pay their water and power bills ????

Nancy
Nancy

you obviously have never read my book, nor have you spent time in the upper echelons of the Sea Organization.

Nancy
Nancy

send me your address, I will gladly send you a copy for free.nancy

Scientia
Scientia

It's called having a multiple viewpoint system, Mark. Check your admin dictionary. It means being able to look at and acknowledge a number of reports so one can get a more complete and accurate view of something.

Old OT7
Old OT7

LOL!  Seinfeld could use this in his stand-up routine.  

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Nancy why would I want to read an attack book --- I got what you said here on this site.  Do I also have to beat myself up and read you book, too?

Oh, and help you make money by slandering us?

Old OT7
Old OT7

No, actually your stats (not the false ones like 10 million members) are falling  off a cliff.  

Tarquin of Bloomsbury
Tarquin of Bloomsbury

Mark,

You are not listening to or hearing what is being said.  So far your communications  have merely been positional  justifications, entrenched explanations and "sung by rote". 

You see, by aligning yourself and identifying with a particular set of beliefs, you WILL feel that you are being attacked personally when someone attacks the belief.  You WILL feel WRONG and, judging by your posts you are trying to CONVINCE people that THEY are wrong and you are RIGHT.  Man! I do this all the  time and my girlfriend is always pointing it out!.  

Before I can hear what someone is saying I have to get passed who they're being.  

So the question here is "Who are you being in the matter?"  My sense is that you are more trying to convince yourself of something by countering those who've been around a lot, lot longer than you.  This shows me that you are disconnected from yourself ( a very normal and every day experience for most people) and just 20 minutes meditation per day will re-connect you with your [higher] self in a very short space of time.

Scientology is OLD technology... like the old steam-driven traction engines.  Things have moved on and old technology belongs in a museum. there is SO much more available that will turn you on to your own amazing life.

Are you open and willing to experience a paradigm shift? Don't be a Luddite!"

Appledore2
Appledore2

thanks for your support Old Ot7,  I am also an Old OT7, perhaps we can see more than others.  Sorry but I enjoyed those levels (for major part).  Sorry to see them disappear.nancy

Appledore2
Appledore2

you don't get it still.  the Scietology now offered since DM, has been a complete alreration of Hubbard.  He had to RE WRITE ALL of Hubbads books?????? Just think about that.Just that one little crumb that I know you have been told.Believe me, Hubbard was very hands on.  Nothing went out in his name that he didn't go over first.  I have seen it in the originals of all the Policy letters up till 1982,  That's when I lost contact, but that is also when the altering began.  Try and find an original OEC Book and one now "fixed" by DM.nancy

Appledore2
Appledore2

Clears like LIsa McPherson???  Who died a few short months after declared "clear".  She is dead.  DM's tech produces those products.  Don't read my book, just read the copy of Greg Bashaw's last letter to the head of the FSO.  He was dead two weeks later.  He was completely abandoned at his most desperate need for help.  That is not Scientology,  that is DM.

Appledore2
Appledore2

Sorry, Mark, you can't see the big picture even when it is staring you in the face.  Of course those RPFers will say that to you while in.  Everything they say or do is watched and monitored.  One little negative comment and like the game of chutes and ladders, they will have just gone down a long chute.  As for those back on post, do you think they are going to say one bit or word about their experiences in the "Rehabilitation Camps".They know they would be sent right back for 'obviously not getting "it" the first time."

Talk to the auditors who have taken into session and worked with people who have been actually ON the RPF.  They can give you a broader experience than mine.  But, even in mine -- the first action that was taken was to take our 2.5 year old child AWAY from us, and have us under guard so we couldn't go see him on our own.

How's that for a bright future.... Nowadays, there are not so many young children around,  but now they force divorces.

Go to the RPF, you lose your spouse.  Isn't that Scientology hard at work making a better world.

nancy

nancy
nancy

Sorry, I saw LRH's communications after he discovered the Safe Environment Fund existed.  It was, just like IAS, no exchange.  Just donations.  I can't begin to express how livid he was.  He said 'we do not make money for nothing, we make money by selling and delivering what we have to offer --auditing and training.

He thoroughly expressed his attitude towards a group that would do that.

The Safe Environment Fund quietly disappeared.

Years later, when he was no longer supervising things, it grew like an Octopus.  Donations for everything.  Often lump sums of$10 million dollars a pop.

Scientia
Scientia

All I am doing is asking you, as a Scientologist (sic), to apply the technology and look.

15 missions in Taiwan but no Org? Do you have staff numbers for each? I have seen inactive groups listed as active "missions" before, as well as being just one or two people set up in someone's house. Would be good to get that data; thanks Mark.

Sadly, no; you have not addressed these issues. You claim the CoS is expanding "like never before" and yet provide no relevant stats. You talk of "new buildings" and "celebrities" as if this is what is needed to prove org expansion. All a new building proves is that the org HAS a new building. It doesn't show whether the org actually needed it or not, whether it was upstat (and filled to capacity) from DOING Scientology, from delivering services at a greater rate than last month, last year, last decade, and so forth. That would be "a deduction of what might be". Obnosis dude. (Fluuuuunk!)

"You see what the goal of this is? It is to get a student to the point where he can look at another person, or an object, and see exactly what is there. Not a deduction of what might be there from what he does see there. Not something the bank says ought to go in company with what is there. Just what is there, visible and plain to the eye. It’s so simple, it hurts." -- LRH, HCOB 26 October 1970 Issue III, Obnosis and the Tone Scale.

By ignoring or degrading the only two stats that count, per LRH (pcs processed & auditors trained), you ignore/degrade the only reason why tech and admin policy exist (ED 131 INT Life Repair Block, 8 December 1970) and indeed the very reason orgs exist (HCO PL 31 January 1983, The Reason For Orgs).

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Everything you are saying is so loaded with antagonism and partial facts.  Haven't I already addressed all these issues.  Now you ask a bit too much --- do you not get the SCN mags or have other sources of data --- there are 15 missions in Taiwan, and there is a new flagship  building in Clearwater, Florida called the Cove -- it is an auditing center and restaurant.  If you do your homework you will see we have a lot more buildings and staff all over the world ---- and haven't you seen the huge new dissemination production facility, staffed with Sea Organization members that we now have in LA?  (One of our websites has a video of this state of the art facility.) 

It takes big bucks to keep all of these new things open and ever improving.  How do we pay to keep the new groups, missions, and orgs open?  By donations from new people; new people who study and audit --- that's basic business sense, don't you see that?

I believe in what Ron says when he tells us not to lie.  I have seen that he is right on the button, as expected. 

Lying violates the rules of the greatest good.  We will suffer the same sad fate as the rest of the unsuccessful organizations within our country if we lie.  Also, you can't go OT if you a liar.  Scientia, please don't ask me about this again. We are expanding like never before --- new organizations, new celebrities, new non-Scientology friends and affiliations with governments and other religions. 

knock off this antagonism and go and visit some of the new people. 

David is doing what he needs to do --- you don't have all the data.

Old OT7
Old OT7

If they tried to re-brand, would that be considered "squirreling?"  I know it's not the tech, but changing the name of the cult would indicate a reversal.  If you just say, "scientology" to people on the street the reaction is not a positive one.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Mary; you can hope for whatever you like, but I'm working my hopes hard and looking forward to a bright, shiny Darwin Award for Mr. Miglio.

The way I'm looking at it, we got stuck with way too many moonbats.

One less moonbat? Epic Win!

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Your growing list of medical credentials is astonishing, Mark!

Now, you're an ophthalmologist!

Amazing! Wonders never cease!

What's next? Neurologist? Cardiologist? Orthopaedic Surgeon?

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

What happen to the 'clears' and 'OTs' after they die?

Are their bodies stuffed by taxidermists and put on display in a museum of some kind?

I'd pay top dollar to see that kind of exhibition!

Scientia
Scientia

This is the chap who came up with the "great idea" (to pretend to be a Scientologist) on another post.

tamsonsbairn
tamsonsbairn

Mark, why do you say you wouldn't tell a researcher your religion. Surely you should be proud and stand up and tell the world of your faith, they're hardly going to string you up for it, are they.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Give us time the world is ours (and yours, too) ...but anyway one slow day (if you really saw one) doesn't mean much.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Excellent choice of word, Old OT7 - "toxic" ! Precisely! 

Ever wonder if re-branding is on the table?  Or, how much longer can this abomination stagger around like a retarded zombie in a low-rent horror movie?

I give it five years, and I think I'm being generous.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Amazing!

Either Tony's blog is being trolled, or some scientologists are quite suddenly starting to get it! 

It will probably be a long while before the mighty midget gets it, but for now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Xenusad
Xenusad

Some of us scientologists are fed up with the pyramid-scheme structure of the fee-for-service based orgs.  We feel it is poor fiscal management to keep building orgs that sit empty.  Also, why not use that money for good causes, like feeding the poor and providing clean water to those in need.  One fancy org could feed hundred of thousands of the poor.  

Xenusad
Xenusad

I'm a scientologist, but that useless fundraising to build orgs that sit empty doesn't make any sense to me.   Useless waste.

Old OT7
Old OT7

Scientology front groups are there for one reason:  The name scientology is toxic and 2) recuritment.

Old OT7
Old OT7

From one defector to another, my heartfelt thanks to you for helping those trapped inside the world's must insidious cult.  Nancy,  you are truly a "Freedom Fighter!"  Keep up the great work!  And thanks for writing your book! 

Old OT7
Old OT7

All these shining and new "Ideal Orgs" where the members are expected to pay for these buildings, and...they stand virtually empty.

Scientia
Scientia

What new people? What new groups? Just show me the stats. It is a simple request. This is basic admin tech, Mark. Why are you unwilling to apply it? (You ARE a Scientologist, right?)

Mark, I strongly recommend availing yourself of the Data Series. Its application gives you one hell of a bullshit detector. You cut through apparencies and are able to see what IS.

"When you can sort out data and become skilled in it, you will become very difficult to fool and you will have taken the first vital step in grasping a correct estimate of any situation." -- LRH, HCO PL 11 May 1970 Data Series 2, LOGIC.

Start applying the tech and LOOK, Mark. Take some responsibility for our philosophy, per the Code of a Scientologist. You must come up against a lot of information about the CoS and David Miscavige that conflicts with your own beliefs or what you have read in church literature. Is it all lies? Are critical ex-churchies overt-ridden SPs? Are all Indies squirrels? Are your friends who were expelled SPs for having an alternative viewpoint? Really???? Am I "whining" because I apply admin tech and ask for the stats to support your (and DMs) nonsensical claims of expansion? It is easier to not-is and take comfort from serfacs rather than confront uncomfortable or inconvenient truths. But it aint Scientology.

"It is a wise man who, confronted with conflicting data, realizes that he knows at least one thing - that he doesn’t know. Grasping that, he can then take action to find out." -- LRH, HCO PL 11 May 1970 Data Series 2, LOGIC.

Take action, Mark. Find out the REAL stats. Find out who is running the CoS and what is really going on behind the scenes of an organisation you support and flow power to. Apply the tech.

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Dear Scientia----  Just what do you think all of our new people in those new orgs, new missions, new social betterment groups are doing ----- whining on the internet all day?

Seriously, why are you so sure you are right. 

Didn't you ever like any of your auditing?

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Clears?  Go into Flag or AOLA you can meet the Clears and OT's everyday when they are announced. 

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

Nancy, I have seen RPF volunteers happily on various projects working at one thing or another and I have talked to people who have been in the program and they told me that the studies and auditing was very good.  And that it was a good experience and they are now back at work in regular executive positions.

So you spent all those years there as a Sea Org member who got lots of auditing and you don't think we were a "church", this must be so sort of sad joke --- you have been so untrue and dishonest to our public. 

Please don't whine about how everyone was unethical.  If I believed that crap I know I would be out within 24 hours. You will never win a court case like this.  Ridiculous.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Keep up the very good work you are doing, Nancy. Hopefully Miglio won't become another suicide statistic when he starts realizing how the church lies to it's members and gets them to employ fair game tactics to try and stem the free speech of it's former members and critics.

Scientia
Scientia

New "celebs" (wow!!) and lots of lotsofs do not a statistic make. Seriously, Mark. Let's continue the TR3, shall we?

Per LRH ED 131 INT 8 Dec 1970 Life Repair Block, "Orgs have only 2 major final valuable products. One is well-trained auditors. The other is satisfied pcs. ..Tech and Admin policy exist only to assist making these two products IN VOLUME."

Please show me where you have observed these stats to be UP.

Guest
Guest

"If you want to know how many of us there are, don't ask the survey taker: the IRS spent 40 years harassing us; I would never tell a survey person that I was a Scientologist. "

 Maybe if Scientology donated at least one dollar to something that could be considered  charitable then you and it wouldn't feel the need to hide. All of that bloviating boasfulness we've come to expect from OSA internet "handlers" but not one documented "clear" in all that time. Can you tell me who John Mcmaster was?

Nancy
Nancy

Sorry, I am too busy helping and handling the individuals leaving your "church" in states of severe mental distress, some complete nervous breakdown, and some who commit suicide after having been members for over 30 years.  I am sorry to say that statistic is in affluence.  But they don't tell you about those, do they?   DM truly turned that statistic around.  

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

No, I have been a Scientologist for quite some time and I have seen expansion all over the place.  We have 60 years of heartbreaking work that we have done.  Even the people who say that have left us are, in any real sense, still are what you should call Scientologists ---- in their true heart they know that we gave they live enhancing self help. 

I say that if you you view this in the same way that a mother looks at the trouble she experiences with her teenage children you will experience the sense of responsibility that Scientologists have for former members. 

A real  mother views her family situation as I view other Scientologists, and that is in the say way that they would say that I will always love my children and help them no matter what they did or what they are likely to do.  Morally, biologically, and otherwise, you can never say that your children are not your children even if they scream that they hate and disown you. 

You will always be there when they are ready to come home.  What you must do is to wait out the storm.  Life on of this earth is tough, and one should expect upsets and explosions.  It is all part of the universe's difficult process of needful learning.

Sincere people that buy Dianetics and Scientology books are the very best people on this planet because they really what to make a difference in a very big way -- in way that only Scientology can do like no others.  So if they buy a book and they have a good heart and have good intentions then they are a true Scientologist.  We will always stand behind them.  We will always help them.  We have lots of new organizations and missions and drug rehab facilities to help them whenever they need it.

We have lots of new Hubbard lectures, now priced at budget prices, that are recorded on quality CD's with full transcripts and massive glossaries to help them like never before.

We have new Sea Org members, newly renovated buildings, and we have newly bought buildings, shops, and factories.  We have new celebrities, and new friends in government and in other religious organizations.  We have new Way to Happiness users and members, and new teachers and children that are using Applied Scholastic education improvement technology.

We sold 20 million DMSMH --- quite some time ago --- obviously, the sales totals are much higher now; and people have bought Self Analysis, A New Slant on Life, and Fundamentals of Thought, etc.  Also, there is always a lesson to learn in LRH fiction-market books, and we have sold plenty of those books like never before.  We now also sell mass-market CDs, and everyday someone is talking about Scientology in the media.  (So thank you to you and the other commentators on this site --- seriously, thank you for the publicity.)

If you want to know how many of us there are, don't ask the survey taker:  the IRS spent 40 years harassing us; I would never tell a survey person that I was a Scientologist. 

You don't have to be a signed up member to be treated, and respected as a member, you just have to make helping people job 1.

Meeps
Meeps

Mark, what happened to your friend Louanne [Lisa Lirones]. I'm serious. Although she's been posting nasty things about us, we are concerned about her well being and hoping she is not in the RPF. Please let us know if she is OK and give her our regards.

Gary Lee-Nova
Gary Lee-Nova

Mark; did you even read Tony's Interview with Nancy? 

Did you read this?

"Your experience in the Sea Org's internal prison, the RPF, was so incredible, having to sleep in a smelly parking garage while you were five months pregnant."

A freaking parking garage Mark! How could that be a "good experience" ? 

Are you completely deranged? Retarded?

Is that it Mark? You have some kind of hideous disease we're all supposed to feel the deepest compassion for? 

Is that it, Mark Milgio, $tudent of $cientology?

The previous five sentences are called interrogatives, Mark. 

That's another word for  'questions.'

Can you answer any of those questions?

Old OT7
Old OT7

I'm guessing the planet of the midgets.   People are locked away in the slave labor/reeducation camps (aka RPF) for months and even years.  Mark, how's Heber and Shelly Miscavage doing?  Isn't the tiny tyrant having sex with Lou?

Mark Scientology Miglio
Mark Scientology Miglio

When I said that I was referring to the Sea Org people who know they did wrong and they want to make amends. 

So what you are telling me then, Nancy, is that you don't think you did wrong?

Nancy
Nancy

RPF is a good experience,  you have GOT to be kidding.  I wonder what planet you are from?

SCN student Mark Miglio
SCN student Mark Miglio

The RPF is a good experience.  It is nothing to be ashamed of, nor is it something that one should not admit to others (that one had done voluntary work in the RPF. 

Ron says something like, Do Not Regret your Yesterdays  -- I think that is very true.  People are here on Earth to learn things -- spiritual beings learn by making lots of mistakes.  The RPF is a learning experience and the result is a better person. 

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