Londoners See a Disaster, But Scientology Sees an Opportunity!

What choice do we have?  If we don't try, then the next destroyed family, the next 9 year old child to sign a billion-year contract, will weigh on our conscience.  I suspect we all harbor the hope to criticize the institutional practices, not the adherents.  But some struggle more than others to avoid lowering themselves to the cultist level (i.e., grade school) during the "dialogue." I suspect the critics are a group trying very hard to be tolerant and patient, when all the red flashing lights say a zero-tolerance policy is the most appropriate.

Why does anyone try to sway a Scilon's belief? As all of us who have educated ourselves on the cult's mantra know, they cannot think in any other manner except those put forth by their idiot founder and current dwarf leader.

They will never think for themselves. They believe that the VM's touch assists and recruiting people into the cult are really helping people. They really believe that they are forwarding the cause for Human Rights as Scilons.

If they do not toe the Scilon line their eternity is lost, no matter how deluded it is. All we can do is hope that some comment may spark the jolt that brings them back to the real world.

I am glad tohave any discussion with objectivity and try for a constructive and harmoniousoutcome.   I have no fear.   Yet I do take some strong objection withyour statement that 

"Pleasetrust me, you can and will achieve your spiritual dreams withoutScientology" .  You don't know myspiritual dreams to even make such a statement.   And Trust me has longled to be being led down roads to destruction for man and individuals.   The recent leaders in the USare a small example of that.  Some how many of the posting have this Airof Supremacy with one statement and if enough disagreeable people agree itmakes it so.  One of the first things youlearn in Scientology is Mr. Hubbard statement of "What is true for you iswhat you have observed yourself"   "Nothing in Dianetics andScientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is trueaccording to your observation.  That is all."

I have never had anyone in Scientologyfrom the first book seller to Int Management ever violate that with me.  What I have seen is great success personaland in others.

You make a statement that I have heardbefore from people which I find much fault with and have not seen this to betrue.    Your statement "I havelearned, can only be achieved by the recognition of one's flaws andweaknesses, and the owning up of them so that they are corrected"  Somehow this also means that others take that to drum in to others theirfailures to the point of upset.   Most of the parents of the kids I grewup with wanted nothing more. 

Growth comes from many things.  If a pitcher isn't hitting the target with his pitches he does not needto think and think some more about what he is doing wrong he needs to visualizeit right and then practice till he grows and it becomes right. 

 There are a lot of things wrong with a Businessfor example or a Government as it is forming, and that you only learn fromrecognition of one’s flaws and weaknesses when many weakness and problems disappear as itgrows which the answer to the weakness is to grow.  One can also grow from learning from othersand seeing something not wanted, which is also non-survival and decide to notact that way if that is a survival choice one grows.  No Recognition of flaws or weakness of selfif need.  No Think about it and then think about it some more, and then thinkabout it some more.  I am not exactlysure what you have found that leads your dissertation on this supposed truism.  

I am not sure who you feel are not owning up tosomething, or if it was just philosophical statement you are trying to make. I am trying to track with you but somehow you believed lies I am not sure what lies you are referring to.  I trying to understand what you arereferring to but I think your big point was this statement.  "It is extremely painful to confront one has been assuming the wrong viewpoints regarding Scientology and been manipulated and lied to."  This statement besides being a generality,  it does not state what you were manipulated and by whom.   Again we are talking about members volunteering to help others deal with a the destruction from psychos in the UK.  There are Scientologist who want to help and do. That was what I posted  on. 

Well I did hit some truth with mentioning your fascist plan.   Got a lot of hate there.  There is absolutely no way Scientology will disappear.  Scientologists are tough people, willing to help and have compassion and communicate with others on any Subject.  We are also quite tough with ignorant hatred. Especially when shown towards our fellow man.   You have no secret agenda because your hate is so blatant it can't be hidden. 

Scientology will continue to help those whose wish help.  It will continue to demand human rights for all men and woman, which what Tony O and his Village prostitution weekly crier was being critical in the first place.

My fascist plan is showing through eh?  Whatever.  If you're looking for some freezone love, don't look at me.  If you're looking for a discussion on the value of your so-called "tech", don't look at me.

I have no secret agendas, no smoke screens.  In the simplest of terms, I despise your cult and everything that it represents with the intensity of a thousand burning suns. I really don't care about your "ideas" one way or the other.  You're free to hold on to your own delusions for as long as you wish.  Just don't be too surprised to see your damnable cult pulled right out from under you and far sooner than you expect, cultist..

So Free UK "Except for a small number of truly deluded cultists, the vast majority of people in this world are free to see the world with their own eyes." So your true colors are coming out.  So if you deem someone a Cultist their no longer Free.  You Fascist plan is showing through, your smoke screen.  Going to name people Cultists "eh" and out bags over their head and then have them locked up. This Suppression have been seen before in history before, Dark ages, Germany.  Don't let anyone have any ideas that don't agree with your Socialist fascist loot and riot mindset. 

I would rather help Scientologists who let others be free and think on their own.  

Okay, here's a question. Scientologists clearly use the internet and Facebook and so forth.

Yet L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology both have under 4000 likes on Facebook. The Rastafarian religion has close to 50,000. Hubbard science fiction contemporary Heinlein has more than 30,000. Actual humanitarians Gandhi and Dr. King have hundreds of thousands.

According to the Church of Scientology there are thousands of orgs, missions and "groups" (what is a group, anyway?) yet less than 4000 can be bothered to give Hubbard some Facebook love?

Given the Church's love of PR this seems odd.

Unless there really are a small number of Scientologists worldwide.

From all recent (2010 - 2011) reports and videos it appears the few remaining scientologists are either The Crims, The Crazies, or The Captured.  The latter would be those non-English speaking, and/or third world, all who have their I.D. and passports illegaly confiscated as well as any means of support or outside communications).

Los Angeles (PAC) and Clearwater (Flag) are 2 key measures and the extremes of flying and bussing in to fill seats at major events says it all.  Also,  sci's own publications that come out from this area show very few audtiors or OTs being "produced" and more telling is that lower level outer org staff are being used to fill up those few course or audit chair seats.

Based on the Apr 2008 census survey and all reports since combined, I've estimated no more than 9,000 to 15,000 scientologists left and yes, that's worldwide totals, and except for a few billionaires, most of them are broke, delirious, and godawful exhausted.

You figures are way off.  Really Bus from Flag?  You have no real personal onsight info on Scientology.  You info reads off other sites all recently created by two guys sitting on a canal with no fish.  Just from your little tirade.  This is easily seen.  I know events and I know that more and more people are attending.  LA Org, San Francisco, Las Vega, Most of Mexico, San Jose Area all servicing more people than ever before.  Scientology is in for the long haul.  With-in 1 to two years the majority of orgs will have reached record levels after their newly constructed building are staff training are completed.  More Clears are made in Flag per week then were made in a month just 10 years ago.  Your 1,500 list is mostly people who have died and was compiled from 50 years of names.  The real net is maybe 300.  Most of them are still practicing some form of their own Scientology.

But the original story was that Volunteers were helping out the mess of the destruction and chaos in London from the injustice by its Gov.  Again a small handful of youth run crazy burning and looting and Scientology volunteers show up to help out.  That is the story, but Old 70's Tony in order to save his dwindling bird cage producing paper instead of pointing to the help attack them.  Gets his source from the looters.  The real truth is the  voice is loosing its writers it held up as par excellence  and Tony is trying to hold on by attacking Something large and expanding like Scientology.  Maybe they should stop running ads for pimps putting out 14 year old girls on the street, or ads about Multi Marketing. There are many people in NY but less than 1% even look at the paper, by their own stats. So he and you are just like the nut rioters finding like minded twisted souls to try to burn down anything decent.  That's not new either. 

So much talk.  So litle evidence.  40,000 scientologists in LA?  Where?  When Davey has an event, he has to bus in sea org from Flag just to make it look like there are 3000 scientologists "and their so-called guests" in attendance.  When the Pasadena Idle Morge opened, there were fewer than 1000 (again, mostly bussed in Sea Org) in attendance.  Attendance at the recent Maiden Voyage event was so pitiful, Davey ordered a complete do-over and still failed to get any crowds to show up.

Flag is practically deserted compared to what it was even a few years back, which was rather weak even then.  2/3's empty busses occasionally hauling mostly russian and Korean sea org back and forth from their berthings to whatever foolishness lies in store for them on a given day, just to keep them looking busy for the few public scientologists that do show up for some class or another.  Those that do are crush regged so hard they vow never to come back again.

The Freewinds spens most of it's time sitting idly in a Columbian port, just to save on fuel costs.

The only visible action, comical as it may be is the kick back scheme that's been set up between scientology and Louis Farrakahn's Nation of Islam. The problem is that the NoI has far fewer members than even scientology does, they're only being brough online as dianetics counselors as neither Farrakahn nor Davey wants to see them on the bridge and even then, only a small percentage of existing NoI members have signed on to that sillyness.

As for those "wayward 300 souls" that you think will be coming back, I can easily name more than 1500 recent ex members that not only will not be coming back but are actively speaking out against the cult in spite of any potential repercussions for doing so.  There are at least 15 to 20 recent ex's for each one of these that just leave quietly.

Just show me one org, anywhere in the world that isn't completely downstat.

Flunk.

You can't "defend" as it is tenet of scientology to ALWAYS attack.Too bad BBC Five Live's undercover report will forever live on the Intertubez for all and sundry to see for themselves.No wonder scientology HATES the internet

Now now Bew.. thats what we call an "evaluation"DEF: evaluation: the imposing of data or knowledge upon another. An example would be to tell another why he is the way he is instead of permitting or guiding him to discover it for himself.

Now you know thats a huge NO -NO. Bad monkey.  You, as such a well versed Scientologist know better than to evaluate someone. I love how you are here defending how right Scientology is and then STEADY proving why its so wrong!

There you go, just proving my point. What are my crimes? I must take offense to your accusations that I lie, steal, and commit other evil deeds. I live honorably, I respect others, help them when they're depressed, at no charge, through currency or otherwise. Friends have thanked me for being there, for showing compassion and a desire to right wrongs. My "crimes", according to scientology, are being transgendered, chronic depression and anxiety, which are being corrected through the aid of those so-called evil psychologists and psychiatrists. I doubt scientology could even perform half of the "wins" I've had over even the past year. I'm now enrolled in school, and feeling confident enough to fight for my goals.

I'm going by scientology's own words when I describe what scientology considers what my ilk are worthy of. R2-45 and the like have no place in a religion based on compassion and assistance. Being of a "deviant" sexuality means I can be no more than a 1.1 on the tone scale, according to Hubbard himself. I've looked into how your auditing works, and it's elementary Jungian psychotherapy, with a bit of hypnotherapy mixed in. As I said before, I can get the same results elsewhere for a lot less money than your bridge, if not far, far better than what you could ever imagine.

bewreslippyslope vomited "I am glad you had some idea where you are on chart, mostly likely well below 2"

And what does scientology tenet command for all those 2.0 and below?

"In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145 [The "Tone Scale" is Scientology’s measure of mental and spiritual health.]

"Unfortunately, it is all too often true that suppressors to a creative action must be removed before construction and creation takes place. Any person very high on the Tone Scale may level destruction toward a suppressor."- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 159"

There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered." - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

"A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171