Scientology Goons Exposed: "Make Marty's Life a Living Hell" (UPDATED)

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After the jump: An ID of the man, "David Statter," who is behind the Squirrel Busters siege.

ADDED: Video of Marty Rathbun speaking with Bert Leahy about his experience as a Squirrel Buster.

A stunning article was posted late last night by Corpus Christi Caller-Times reporter Mark Collette: one of the Squirrel Buster's freelancers is blowing the whistle on the Scientology goon squad's effort to harass former church official Marty Rathbun.

Previously, Collette had got the Squirrel Busters -- a group that surveils Rathbun's Ingleside on the Bay home for hours every day -- to say that it was doing so because the group is working on a "documentary" about the former church executive.

But Rathbun maintains that the group is just there to intimidate him, and has been sent by the church itself to punish him for breaking away and offering independent Scientology counseling services to other people leaving the organization.

Rathbun says he should know: when he was an executive with the church, it was his job to do the intimidating of other former members.

And now, a freelance videographer is telling Collette that Rathbun is right.

Freelance videographer Bert Leahy told Collette that he was hired at $2,000 a week by a man named David Statter to join the Squirrel Busters, and was told outright that his job was less to create a film than to harass Rathbun to the breaking point:

"Dave flat-out said our goal is to make Marty's life a living hell," Leahy said. "That's a quote. He never said 'stalk,' but he said make Marty's life a living hell with every means possible of impeding his everyday living, and make it so miserable for him and his neighbors that his neighbors will want him to move."

As Collette points out, however, Rathbun has found support among his neighbors, who have been offended by the methods of the Squirrel Busters, who film the neighborhood constantly and have showed up to video Rathbun at dinner in town.

The Ingleside on the Bay council was so concerned by the Scientology intimidation squad's actions, it passed an ordinance that would require any film crews to get special permission to work in the town, but later rescinded it.

Leahy, the videographer, worked on three shoots of Rathbun before becoming uncomfortable with the job. He was paid $900 for his work and later reached out to Rathbun to apologize.

Leahy says the Squirrel Busters told him they are "upset" with Rathbun because, they said, he charges "$2,000 to $5,000 an hour" for his independent Scientology auditing. (Scientology calls people "squirrels" who do this kind of counseling outside the official church. This is why they wear T-shirts with a photo of Rathbun's head on a squirrel's body, and refer to themselves as Squirrel Busters.)

Rathbun told Collette, however, that a "third to a fourth" of the people he counsels pay him nothing. Others do so on a voluntary basis. And Michael Fairman, the character actor we've written about before, told Collette that what he ended up donating was far less than what he used to pay Scientology:

Fairman, 77, stayed with the Rathbuns for four days after Thanksgiving in 2010. Like Wilson, he says Rathbun never asked him for money. He donated $1,000 anyway. "I'm used to paying $7,800 for 12½ hours of auditing," Fairman said.

It's hard to believe that the Squirrel Busters are really motivated by whatever donations Rathbun is receiving from people he counsels. Collette's story seems to confirm instead what Rathbun has been saying all along: using techniques that he himself helped perfect while he was for many years a Scientology enforcer, Rathbun is being targeted for intimidation and harassment simply because he poses such a danger to the church and its leader, David Miscavige.

Author Janet Reitman has described Rathbun as a modern day Martin Luther, leading a growing breakaway movement from Miscavige's official church.

That's apparently such a concern to Scientology, it is reacting the way it has many, many times before: with goon squads and intimidation. Squirrel Buster John Allender, however, continues to insist to Collette that he was leading the group simply as "my documentary project," and that they had not been sent by the church.

But Leahy, the videographer, told Collette that from a hotel room, Statter was talking to people from Los Angeles. (LA is one of Scientology's two main hubs.)

"He had like a control station, like a war room," Leahy said. "Laptops, GPS's, paperwork. He's on the phone saying I need to order 55 more Squirrel Busters hats. He was constantly on the phone to people in Los Angeles."

Perhaps our readers can think of something, but I can't remember a Scientology "fair game" operation that has been so thoroughly exposed and hung out to dry while it was happening. Will Scientology keep trying to drive Rathbun out of his Ingleside home, when the town and local media are so aware of what it's doing? The siege continues, at least for now.

UPDATE: Following up on a tip from "Scientia," in our comments section, I called Rathbun and asked him about the identity of "David Statter." In Collette's story, that's the name that Leahy says was used by the man who hired him and was coordinating the Squirrel Busters actions from a hotel "war room."

Rathbun says that Collette called the phone number for "Statter" that Leahy gave him. Leahy then received a voice mail from the man he knew as David Statter. He shared the voice mail with Rathbun.

"It's definitely Dave Lubow. And Bert has identified his picture, too," Rathbun says.

Lubow is a private investigator that Scientology has used for years for its intimidation campaigns, Rathbun says. Former church spokesman Mike Rinder made a similar claim recently in an interview that Mark Bunker conducted for his upcoming documentary, "Knowledge Report":

Rinder explains in the video how he had direct contact with Lubow in the surveillance of Bob Minton. He said he had told Lubow: "Get the goods, find out everything about the guy, and figure out how he is going to be stopped from doing what he's doing."

Rathbun tells me that he had seen Lubow on occasion as the Squirrel Busters team was continuing its stake out of his house, but he didn't know the extent of Lubow's involvement.

"He's been here, in and out like a mosquito. What I didn't know is that he's been here continuously, coordinating things," he says.

With Lubow's involvement now seemingly confirmed, there's really little question at all (if there ever was a question) that the Squirrel Busters siege is an official church operation to intimidate Rathbun.

AND NOW, VIDEO OF BERT LEAHY TALKING TO MARTY RATHBUN:

Rathbun posted this at his blog. Leahy accuses Scientology private eye Dave Lubow of "totally misrepresenting" what the "stalk-umentary" was all about.

EVEN MORE VIDEO OF BERT LEAHY TALKING ABOUT "SEAL TEAM SIX"

AND A THIRD INTERVIEW WITH LEAHY

HERE'S PART FOUR WITH LEAHY


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The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
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LS
LS

Isn't this kind of stalking/intimidation illegal?! Why don't the perpetrators get arrested? Can't Marty get a restraining order on Scientology? Or sue them? If all victims sued at the same time, Scientology authorities would get overwhelmed, no?

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Speaking of the 'debriefing videos', which have their very own 'creepiness factor' that doesn't seem lost on Bert Leahy, the most recent, 'Bert Leahy IV' brings up a question that Bert had apparently already discussed with Marty Rathbun, but still felt unanswered:

"I'm just an average joe video guy trying to make a living, and get I stuck in the middle of this, and just, apparently, I mean, this is just my opinion, I've shot documentaries before and, it's just a smear campaign on you, to just run you out of town.  I mean, obvious what they do and I don't see how they've been able to get along with it for so long. And, like we had discussed, why in the heck would they just hire an average video guy to get in this inner circle of some really really deep stuff and then, you know, just send me on my way?"

That is a very good question, and, one that very likely has a pretty simple answer that has nothing to do with Rathbun's glib non-seqitur deflection about David Miscavige's 'desperation'.

I mean, here you have this massive, expensive and potentially explosive OSA Op being run *covertly* by the 'Church' of Scientology and one of its best placed and informed thugs, David Lebow.  But, instead of one of the readily available Scientology Publics, who, dupes they may be, they're *Scientology's* dupes, and know how to keep their mouths shut and follow orders, this 'Op', run by one of Scientology's most experienced covert operators hires an *outsider* to hold a video camera. 

 They hire him for good money, they have him working for half a week; they allow him to overhear not only discussions and operational planning that exposes the 'documentary work' as sheer and typical harrassment; they allow him to know that the orders are coming from Los Angeles, and, they even let slip the real name of the guy who's 'In Charge', rather than the putative 'Producer', John Allender.

Wow. 

And then, they let him get away, even paying him his 1/2 weeks pay.  And he goes to a local paper, which up til now hasn't been reporting on the goings on at Casa Blanca Tejas and blow the whistle.

Which does lead me to another question I don't think has been answered, which is how and why did Bert contact that paper.  Not that he shouldn't have, and not that I don't respect his integrity, but, Bert's got it right.  It makes no sense, was entirely superfluous to even the most inane Squirrel Buster Comedy and, prevailing opinion to the contrary, does *not* reflect the usual standards of paranoia and 'operational security' for the Office of Special Affairs of the 'Church' of Scientology.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Kudos to Bert Leavy. Enjoyed the debriefing videos :)

Wholigan
Wholigan

  Make sure I am logged in here....Having issues with Disqus . . .

suzicue
suzicue

p.s. The Caller-Times article also does not show up.

suzicue
suzicue

Does anyone know why this article does not show up in a Google news search for 'scientology'? All other recent Village Voice articles on the subject of scientology *do* show up.

sizzle8
sizzle8

Had the Squirrel Busters left Marty Rathbun alone, none of this horrendous public relations nightmare would have happened.A few former members would have gotten auditing and that's about it.Now, thousands of people have been made aware of Scientolgy's dark side.

It is obviously true that David Miscavige is Scientology's biggest enemy.Too bad his followers don't have the integrity to realize that.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

There are those who defend Marty Rathbun's 'moderation' of his blog on the basis of it being *his* blog and defending his right to allow what he wants.  There's some truth to that.  However, it would also be valuable for people to know *what* he considers printable, beyond what he allows to be printed.

Personally, I wish more people watched and read every word on his blog, because, it's revealing.  Even without seeing what he chooses not to allow.  I don't think anyone who hasn't read *all* of what he's had to say really deserves an opinion, because, while opinions are like assholes, and, everybody has one, some opinions are better than others.  And, someone who has an opinion on Marty Rathbun *without* actually watching what he says don't really have much of a valid basis for an opinion.

In that vein, I'm going to post here a post I put up on MartyWorld this evening:-----------------------Joe Lynn | August 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm | ReplyYour comment is awaiting moderation.Marty, are you going to apply for a restraining order against Squirrel Buster Productions and those working in concert with them?Will you file a complaint with the Texas Department of Public Safety/Private Security Bureau against David Lebow, Falcon and Talon Investigations?Seems like a logical thing to do considering the evidence.----------------------------Please note the time-stamp, since a post by Mike Hobson was immediately following and a half-hour later.  So, in that time someone at Marty's blog had to have actually read my comment and it was still being decided whether to allow it or not.

Now it is just deleted.   You might ask yourselves *why*.

No, you will not see it on MartyWorld if you go looking :)

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

Boy Tony, you deserve something for this coverage!   You're right, the Scientology "cancelled" Fair Game tactics have  not been able to be covered so thoroughly up to the minute before like you've been doing.   Thanks for your years of taking an interest in what Scientology does in public that is so irreligious like this.  It's always a good sign when people like this camera man who become uncomfortable with the unethical Fair Gaming they get involved supporting.  If David Lebow finally has an ethical crisis, I hope he comes to you to spill his guts about all the Fair Gaming and intell work he's done for several decades now for Scientology!   Tony you  deserve some kind of award for this coverage.  - Chuck Beatty, Pittsburgh, ex Sea Org (1975-2003)

Arielle
Arielle

I'm really surprised that David Miscavige sends his goons to harass Marty to such a degree. If Marty is pushed over the top, he can bring down the entire Church of Scientology  - the guys knows every dirty little secret about the "church" - how Lisa McPherson died, how RPFs operate, how many people were manhandled when trying to escape, what type of blackmail was used against Minton, whether forced abortions at the Sea Org are a written policy, and so on. I'm surprised that Miscavige doesn't understand that if Marty would fall, Miscavige would follow in a much more spectacular way. If I were Miscavige - I'd just let Marty be. 

Mick Hamblen
Mick Hamblen

Wondering why Marty hasn't gone to a judge to get a restraining order.

TruthRevealed
TruthRevealed

I will not always be here on guard. The stars twinkle in the Milky Way

And the wind sighs for songs Across the empty fields of a planet

A Galaxy away.

You won’t always be here. But before you go,

Whisper this to your sons And their sons —

“The work was free. Keep it so. “

L. RON HUBBARDC/S SERIES

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TheGuest
TheGuest

I work with U.S. veterans now and then, you know, those people that actually help protect us all and give up everything to do so.   I want to say something to those who are still supporting scientology, or any other group that believes they are above the law, or that believes in "greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics" a/k/a the ends justifies the means, including those that are howling (I'm looking at you Michael Fairman) against those that dare to speak up, as in, Free Speech.

There's something terribly, terribly wrong when I have to quote an Australian politician to make my point.  Paraphrased, he said:  Beliefs? blah blah blah?  Crimes?  You ain't gettin' by with it in my country!

Where is, Who is,  our U.S. Xenophon?  

  

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

"Lebow is a private investigator that Scientology has used for years for its intimidation campaigns, Rathbun says. Former church spokesman Mike Rinder made a similar claim recently in an interview that Mark Bunker conducted for his upcoming documentary, "Knowledge Report"  "

Note; Texas requires Private Investigators to be licensed.  Is Lebow licensed in Texas?  It seems likely to me that admitting to a deliberate campaign of harassment would bring that license into question, assuming he's licensed in the first place.

I still think this is a charade and that our 'videographer' is a deliberate dupe in the game, but, here's where OSA incompetence might well come into play; in a complaint filed with the Texas Department of Public Safety/Private Security Bureau.  

Will there be one?   Magic 8 Ball says 'Not Bloody Likely'

TheGuest
TheGuest

And I just finished researching "Falcon Industries".  There's lots of them, but none having anything to do with documentaries, tv shows, or film.  I take that back.  There is a Falcon Industries in India that makes film and tinfoil (llol, ok, aluminum foil).  That's as close as it gets.

The only category scientologists become experts in is "lying".  There's even a study course and drill on it in scientology, because, you know,  lying is so religious, right IRS?

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

I got one okay earlier today.

Perhaps set up "Tony Ortega" as a Google Alert.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Had the 'Squirrel Busters' left Marty Rathbun alone, he would have had to do something *else* to get his name in the papers and validate his position as Davey's 'Enemy #1' :)

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

And you didn't live in Kool Aide Sea Org, nor ultra Kool Aide Int Base life neither.   And even at the Int Base, there are those "on COB's lines" and those not on COB's lines.   And even of those, there are the one's, the top cliques, the top groups who get the production done, who COB abuses personally the most.

You haven't bought the Hubbard writing.

I think lacking in ALL of the books so far, by outsiders, is not grasping how people are driven to be so faithful to Hubbard, to the cause, to what Hubbard wrote, and Hubbard wrote so damn much internal inspirational stuff, that if you get up into the top hallways of "power" and responsibility, and are acting out Hubbard's policies and making the bigger decisions, and overseeing the various sectors or networks within the whole Sea Org and rest of the staff echelons, and not having absorbed the fads, the do's and don't's that are local fads, that are looked down on from the heights of the Int Base, the snobbishness of the various "in the know" cliques of longer term top ranks vets, the "skinny lines", knowing the latest of what "COB is working on", and who is "fucking up on COB's lines", there is whole upper elite clique, and Marty was right up there for so long.

Living in that upper bubble elite top of the Sea Org unit world, where the rules that even just one clique below, the people "not on COB's lines", there are different standards of expecation and what the top people can "get away with" in terms of violating the rules that the next level of top level people have to daily do as Int Base staffers.

The "SP hole" group are the former top of the line Sea Org members.   Their whole history, and the details of their upper communal Sea Org lives so close to DM, haven't even been told, but Marc Headley's book began to tell that, and Jeff Hawkins' and Amy's.

We need Warren McShane's life details.   We need the top RTC women's lives detailed, more of the Tanya Castle life for context, the females that are secretaries and immediate helpers to DM, they see the top of the line fads right around DM, and know DM's personal thoughts about who at the top ranks is doing good, who's messing up.

Marty's blog when Marty and Mike and other ex Int Base staff get into that, believe me, that has weight in the minds of the several hundred or so ex Int Base staff who listen to Marty's blog, and so YES, I agree that people who want to have an opinion that is taken seriously about this upper ranks Scientology group Stockholm Syndrome, YES, they should take a look at Marty's blog, sort through the postings, I favor the ex Int Base staff who witnessed the same hsitory that Marty and Mike witnessed, and add history.

To get just how odd Marty and Mike's mindset is though, I think you don't even get Joe, because I've seen most outsiders just don't want to even take the time to really get the beaten down and unique mindset of the "tough" but simultaneously sychophant top elite Int Base staffers who are "on COB's lines" and doing the hot production cycles that DM is micromanaging, and those people who had to run to meetings where DM ripped their faces off, etc, etc, for years.   Marty and Mike have both commented that things at Int could possibly descend into a Jim Jones cult ending, I myself don't think that, but Marty for a time, was sort of thinking like that, if you read his blog carefully. 

There's a whole level of production, and mindset, that the top people that even were "allowed' to work on products that COB/DM was demanding be produced.   And those people had to have this combination of toughness, competence (think Marc Headley, think Stefan Castle, and if you aren't familiar with what those two did, then that's part of why I think outsiders like you complain about NOT reading Marty's blog carefully, well that I think applies to anyone who can't relate to the people who "were on COB's lines" for years, doing things that COB trusted them to do, even though these people acted like total saluting robots, way beyond the level of dedication that is expected in military units.

Naw, there is so much MORE that Janet, and frankly no damn reporter or academic nor any of ex members, except if you do like you say, and read Marty's blog carefully, and if you listen to enough details of the lives of the people like Marc Headley.

Marc's book and Amy's book and Jeff's book, but I think Marc's book gives the best of that flavor of the desperate tough all out life when people are working on projects (and there are always Int Base top projects going on) which COB is demanding to be done.

One argument Scientology is pushing against Janet, is that her data is old.

John Brousseau who defected from the Int Base in 2010, I'm confounded as to why no reporters have done more to get recent history out of John Brousseau.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Zinj, surely you already know why your post blocked. This "I'm shocked.. shocked!" stuff won't fool the rubes, amigo.

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

MarkStark
MarkStark

Marty knows Cruise's auditing secrets. Marty knows how he "recovered" Cruise, to pull him out of his Xenu what-the-f quandary, and Marty may even know where a body is buried or some of the dirty things that were done to critics, that we haven't even heard about yet.

One thing we won't hear from Marty, is what great pals he and DM were in the beginning, how relieved he was that someone so strong took over when Hubbard croaked.

guest
guest

That isn't the way they work.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

And, Arielle, the fact is that the 'degree' of harassment that Marty Rathbun is experiencing is, compared to what his own targets experienced, back when he was running the 'operations', simply silly.

Naturally, most of the most recently escaped Scientologists who tend to revere him as a 'hero'  see it as outrageous.

Compared to his *own* ops, this is namby pamby :)

The only reason he gets away with this is that he's dealing with people just barely out of the mill.  I feel sorry for them, but, Marty Rathbun is no hero.

He's doing what he's done for decades; lying.

The only thing he offers is to 'help them over their upsets' with reduced or even waived fees for *his* brand of MindFuck.

Why?  He actually *could* bring the whole structure down in weeks.  But; Marty Rathbun won't.  Because it's *his* structure.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Since Marty wants to 'end the abuse'; why would he 'let David Miscavige' *be*?

Oh, wait; the actual goal is to *preserve* Scientology as an organization, and, unfortunately, the 'abuse' is inherently in the structure.  As devised by L. Ron Hubbard.

So, to put David Miscavige 'behind bars', as Mike Rinder promised he could 2 years ago, is only acceptable if David Miscavige alone is seen as the sole source of the abuse....

But, wait! There's *more!*

:)

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Because Davie McSavage has a 1/2 Billion Dollar IAS slush fund to keep Mark tied up in court with until he's bankrupt?

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

that and wondering how Ron managed to rise above the Bank are dangerous questions :)

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

"If they are going to quit, let them quit fast!"   - L. Ron Hubbard, Keeping Scientology Working.   My favorite piece of advice I give is straight from Hubbard!   quit fast!

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

We will not speculate as to how Ron managed to rise above the Bank :)  Or else.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

they killed him at Jonestown.  Thank god for Leo Ryan.

guest
guest

Checking his license is a good idea.  I believe his license has been in trouble elsewhere.  Might be a good thing to check. :)

bongo
bongo

Falcon=TalonFalcon is just an alias to throw off the sent of a few bloodhounds 

google "Talon Executive Services" & Scientology- It is a PI firm under Scientologist ownership and well known for its Fair Game shenanigans including the Likes of "Dave Lubow"

its standard tactics to use alias's with their goon show antics..its standard operating procedure...business as usual

 add "David Statter" to Dave Lubow's growing list of alias's

its just like the Squirrelbuster telling the the IOB police they were being paid by 'Elliot Ableson' (Tom Cruises Lawyer btw) then giving the police a PO Box address...Its a deflection tactic.its something thats used quite often in these attacks

the cult uses the Elliot Ableson connection to deflect the truth ask mike Rinder about that

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Am I surprised?  Of course not.  As usual, it was blocked for *content*.  It would be interesting to know why that particular content was something tha so terrified Marty that he couldn't expose his flock to it... Or, are you saying it was blocked because Marty says I'm a paid OSA Agent? :)

In which case, it the content would be even less an issue.

Or, are you saying something else?   Really Michael, tell me why it was blocked.  So far I've just assumed that it was a question that Marty Rathbun doesn't feel comfortable answering, or, at least couldn't think of a convenient lie for.

Maybe you know something I don't.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

MarkStark: for your second paragraph to be anything but made-up bullshit, you would have had to have been staff at Author Services / Religious Technology Center at the time working closely with Mark Rathbun and therefore part of the problem yourself.

Sure you *really* want to go there ?

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

Joe, You're pretty on top of this, but even you don't get that most of the top people at Int don't consider Marty an administrative leader.   Marty's not a Marc Yager.  Neither is Mike.   Neither of them, Marty nor Mike, are topnotch admin Commanding Officer types.   Mike was just Commanding Officer of  OSA which is NOT even as hard as running a regular Class 5 org!   The products of the normal Scientology churches, Marty is not even up to the David Mayo level of church running, where Mayo knew how to run the HGC (therapy delivery division of Scientlogy churches).   Marty's running a field operation, mainly what Hubbard calls an "ARC Break Program", he's running it like he's the ARC Break Auditor (cleanup therapist who's cleaning up other bad therapists' bad therapy work on patients).    Ralph HIlton and others are running larger Scientology setups than Marty.   Marty's just a very in the know ex leader, but Janet Reitman isn't even correct in calling Mike Rinder the ex number 3 man in the movement.  Nor was Marty in line to run CMO Int for instance, he'd have failed at running CMO Int were he to have been put in charge.  All the people posted in RTC, including DM, were NOT even as capable as Marc Yager who was CO CMO Int. 

Rating ANY of the top leaders, has to be done on how much they refered to LRH policy, and DM was horrible at issuing the correct reference to what LRH said.

Marc Yager and only a handful of other people in CMO Int knew more policy than me, when I was doing the 90 "routing forms" submissions.   I was not impressed by DM's grasp of Hubbard's voluminous detailed policy orders (in all the varoius issue types and in all of Hubbard's private despatches).   I ran rings around ED Int in terms of policy knowledge.   (My pet beef is Scientology is driven and keeps mainly going due to Hubbard's massive admin detailed policies, despite Miscavige's warping influence and despite all the bad polices and limiting policies Hubbard has left them stuck with.)

If we had somehow a way to get even MORE of the ex Sea Org members' stories out of the defected ex senior leaders of all the last 40 years of ex Sea Org leaders, you'd see that even with all the books out, there are some major unwritten about factors which put Marty and MIke and ANY of the ex senior members, and DM too, in fuller context.

I think the Wall Street Journal, back in the early 1990s, when the red vols and green vols were reissued, made a comment which I think dwarfs almost all other really long range factors.   The point in that article was that because Scientology puts out books, that means it will be around for a LONG time, despite everything.   It means Scientology has by this act of publishing their books like crazy, have just added centuries to their future as a movement.   And my only nod to Miscavige, is he possibly got that point also, and also, if you have read Hubbard, Hubbard said that in the Div 2 green volume, which is why Hubbard is all about books.   (Not knowing that we have Kindles now, of course, which might derail Scientology a bit, on their hardcopy booksales at some distant point.)

We haven't even developed a Scientology "historian" yet, no Scientology "history" book has been written.  

It's been journalists' books, ex members' books.

I think we're a couple to half a dozen books away from someone doing a Scientology history book.   Scientology as a subject is  still pretty much pre-history book level of study.  

TheGuest
TheGuest

understood.  But there is always a Xenophon somewhere.  Remember, Xenophon wasn't all that well known not long ago.

I also believe in the human spirit and in the Amercan people, even when I don't have a clue how in the hell we're going to rise above when we're floating in this garbage, whether it's the flotsum of scientology or the tidal wave of current idiots and narcissists in politics, we'll get there.   I'm beginning to sound like my grandparents.  I like that.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

And, no; contrary to Scientology's 'Freedumb Magazine' story, 'they' wasn't the CIA.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

If I were Marty Rathbun, which, thank Xenu I'm not, I would:

1)  apply at the nearest courhouse for a restraining order against Squirrel Busters Productions for a restraining order against them and anyone working in concert with them.  Given the 'Caller's' story, that should be a slam-dunk.

2)  File a complaint with the Texas Department of Public Safety/Private Security Bureau against Falcon/Talon Security and the named individuals, using the same evidence.

Will Marty Rathbun? 

guest
guest

David Stat-ter. Obviously, it is all about the stats...

TheGuest
TheGuest

Might even be simpler than that.  I found Falcon Investigations, with a Mr. Lebow attached.

Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin

Lurkmoar. Zinj pretty much translate Martyr's application of Technique88.

Check these facts, you will find they are always true. That person who is trying to control you is lying to you. He's got to tell you lies in order to continue control, because the second you start telling anybody close to the truth, you start releasing him and he gets tougher and tougher to control. So, you cant control somebody without telling them a bunch of lies. You will find that very often Command has this as its greatest weakness. It will try to control instead of leading. The next thing you know, it is lying to the [illegible]. Lie, lie, lie, and it gets worse and worse, and all of a sudden the thing blows up. Well, religion has done this. [Following sentence is underlined] Organised religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying. [end underline] After a while it figures out (even itself) that it is lying, and then it starts down tone scale further and further, and all of a sudden people get down along this spring-like bottom (heresy) and say, "Are we going into apathy and die, or are we going to revolt?" and they revolt, because you can only lie to people so long. Unfortunately there is always a new cycle of lying. L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

Meishayuri
Meishayuri

You bring a lot of delusions to the table, Mr. Lynn.  No one has to respond to you and it is certainly up to people to decide who is worth a response and who isn't.  If Marty doesn't want to answer you, you bark on about how your opinions are not moderated onto the blog.  Personally, I think you look for the right time and place to inject your delusional opinions on people.  They are, at the very base, steeped in the insane and then vomited out like a college kid at an all night party.  So while you're barking at the imaginary threats to yourself and growling about the things this person should do according to your twisted gauge, I will consider you nothing more that a troll who needs things outside himself to feed the delusions that live only in your head.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Nobody has to answer *anybody* Patty :)

I'm sure you're aware of that.  It's not whining to *ask* though.  Now, there is an exception to the 'nobody/anybody rule'; that is, when the person asking has subpoena powers.  In which case one can plead the 5th ammendment, but, other than that you do have to answer.

Which is why I think it's important to have law enforcement asking the questions.  Something Marty (and Davey) would rather avoid.

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

"such as yourself" means someone that is not in Marty's camp, not an ally, but a critic of Marty. I too, am a critic of Marty.

My point is he's not required to answer you.  You can whine about it all you want.  He still doesn't have to answer you. 

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

I'm not sure what 'such as yourself' is supposed to mean, but, I haven't disputed Marty Rathbun's 'right' to 'ban' comments; merely commented on the execution of it.  I posted the entirety of my post there here, and, it was 2 questions.  Fairly simple ones.

I've been posting to MartyWorld for quite a while; almost certainly longer than you've been reading it, assuming you do read it, and, moderated as it is, Marty has actually chosen to allow those posts.

So, it boils down to the 2 questions.  Naturally, if you think it's just that Marty chooses to 'ban' *me*, then you can feel free to ask them yourself.

Oh, wait!  You've already *answered* them!   According to *you*, to file for a restraining order against a group that is demonstrably intent on harassing you (in this case, 'Squirrel Busters Productions) is equivalent to suing the 'Church' of Scientology.

But, you can file for such a restraining order and it won't cost more than $100, at least that would be my bet.  And, the *worst* that can happen is Squirrel Busters demands a hearing, which itself would be worth the effort.

So; how is that the kind of windmill tilting bottomless legal pit again?

Or; filing a complaint with the Texas department that regulates Private Investigators.  That costs, umm, lemme think, oh, about *ZERO*.

What was your point Patty? That to ask Marty Rathbun to do the *simple* things that a normal citizen is entitled to do before he is elected 'Victim of the Year' is too much?

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

I'm no fan of Marty's, but he has the right to ban comments from posters such as yourself.

Marty knows not to get into a legal arena with DM and his bazillion dollar IAS bank account.  That's exactly what Scn would want.  Why would he play right into their hand.  Makes no sense.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

PS Michael; I've been posting to MartyWorld far longer than you.  And, while you, for an earlier Village article, called for the flock there to come here and help out in combatting the 'entheta', you haven't this time.  In fact, you've gone so far as to say nobody *needs* to come look, since you'll tell them what's going on. :)

Are you afraid that somebody *else* might ask what are some fairly reasonable questions that Marty would prefer not to answer?

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

Joe,  One more major personality who knows in way more detail about the skeletons, would be Kathy O'Gorman (she even was Mike McClaughry's senior at SF years before she joined the S.O., she's LONG TERM Guardian's Office, and she's CIC and collects ALL of the intel from the PIs, etc, etc,.   What's in her head and what's in Kirsten Caetano's head should see the light of day someday.   And Linda Hamel, who has approved ALL of the things that OSA's been doing for years.  

XenuBodyThetan
XenuBodyThetan

Agreed Joe.   In Marc Headley's book, in the flaps, are the Int Base map.   There's one building where the OSA backfiles are kept, it's item 36 (not "Building 36" which is another building).   Item 36 in the Marc Headley book flaps is the "Archives storage" building.   My ex wife was OSA Int Files I/C, I saw her files in OSA, and I knew the building she went to do projects in, at Int, and that's the building at Int.  Dan Garvin, on with Tory recently, knows the pre 1995 OSA files system especially the computer stuff.   When I worked at INCOMM LA, but that is ancient now, INCOMM LA keeps some of the hot ongoing stuff, and the INCOMM LA OSA Int computer discs are where the "AB" Sea Org INCOMM staffer got the info that he leaked on ARS, which triggered the massive INCOMM raid by RTC in 1995 that Dan Garvin tells well.   I'm sure Mike Rinder knows where the skeletons in the paper records and computer records, and us ex INCOMM people can tell which building to go find the computers and tape backups!   Agreed, all the OSA "Handling" programs need to see the light of day. 

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Chuck, no 'history' of Scientology will be complete until the internal documents are seized and the witnesses are deposed.  Even then, things will be missing, but, it will be enough to keep people busy for 20 years.

There will never be one, single analysis.  Never one, single story.

That does raise another issue though.   Marty gave *you* a copy of what he told you was 'your OSA program', but, there is little doubt that it's merely the tip of the iceberg.  There are none of the reports sent back from those working the program.  None of their further instructions.  None of the internal discussion about 'how to handle Chuck'.  And, that's just *you*.

Marty has revealed about a half-dozen such things that I know of, but, I assume there are more.  How many more does he have?  Why not reveal *all* of them?  The answer should be obvious; Marty reveals such tidbits when he thinks he can influence someone.

But, there are not a half-dozen or even dozen such 'programs'.  There are *thousands*.  Somewhere.

And the followups and folders and minutae.  And, to understand Scientology that *too* is needed.

It's not good enough to have a Marty Rathbun deciding *which* bits will be revealed.

Joe Lynn
Joe Lynn

Warren Jeffs was recently *convicted*.  Following Waco and such federally run fiaskos in dealing with 'belief based crime' that's a *plus*.

One I feel sure isn't lost on the 'Church' of Scientology.

My *major* objection to Marty Rathbun's media offence is that it's *directly* related to minimizing the possibility of a federal RICO prosecution of the 'Church' of Scientology.  And, that alone is the only possibility of reaching the truth about the criminal history of the organization and what real heroes have struggled for for 50 years.

The *only* possibility of 'truth' about Scientology is a federal prosecution.

That's the last thing Marty Rathbun *or* David Miscavige want. 

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