Scientology Sees Fundraising Gold in the UK Riots: "We Have a Strategy"

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​Two different friends of Runnin' Scared in the UK sent us the same thing this morning -- a remarkable call to action by the Birmingham branch of the Church of Scientology in reaction to the country's widespread rioting.

As we noted on Wednesday, Scientology has a history of pouncing on human disaster which even its own leaders, on leaked videotape, have admitted is a recruitment tool for the church.

But even we're somewhat taken aback to see what the UK Scientologists have put out in a message to the flock following the destruction there: now, they say, is the time to cash in!

"We MUST open all UK Ideal Orgs NOW," says an electronic flier my UK sources are calling a "leaked e-mail."

As we saw in a remarkable video that came out of the Phoenix "org," ordinary Scientologists are currently under considerable pressure to pry even more cash out of the hands of their fellow parishioners for the procurement of new buildings, even if their current facilities -- which may have been just fine for many years -- are not overflowing. It's all part of Scientology leader David Miscavige's big push for "Ideal Orgs" around the planet -- special, opulent churches that church members are told will somehow deliver the message of L. Ron Hubbard's spiritual technology even more effectively, or something. It's a curious push for new real estate when all signs indicate the membership of Scientology is actually dwindling.

At the same time, Scientology is always quick to the scene of a disaster, and they try to get good publicity out of their "Volunteer Ministers" being on the ground "helping" disaster victims.

But to church members, Scientology is a little more up front about what they see in the riots: a chance to raise more money for their fancy new churches.

Under the title "IDEAL ORGS, WHY NOW?" the flier explains that all the destruction in England only proves that psychiatrists are evil and only Dianetics and Scientology can save the world.

The majority of the looters are children under the age of 20 who have been drugged, are illiterate and in psych hands...We are the ONLY people who have the actual technology to handle the source of this.

Hmm, that last line sounds familiar. Where have we heard it before? Oh yeah, remember this?

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"Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it's not like anyone else. As you drive past you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one who can really help."


The only ones who can help. Well, OK, so what are the UK Scientologists proposing as the way they can assist their country in a time of need? By raising even more money and buying even more buildings!

We have a strategy - Birmingham is next. By putting that stable datum there on the cross roads of the UK, and the world, we will then be putting sanity not only into that community and England, but to the Planet. The designs for Birmingham Ideal Org are DONE and the Org is READY TO OPEN. ALL THAT IS NEEDED ARE THE FUNDS!

Wow. Just for a moment, try to imagine that a major disaster has hit an American city. Neighborhoods are in flames. People are distraught. Resources are stretched thin. The future is in doubt. Can you further imagine, even for a minute, the local Catholic church, for example, using that opportunity to tell its parishioners that the answer to this chaos is not to house the homeless, feed the displaced or otherwise aid first responders, but instead it's time to make a major push for a new basilica?

I don't know, just seems odd to me.


[A note of disclosure: I am not a Catholic. Have never been a Catholic. Am not from a Catholic family, despite the last name. (The Ortegas were a rare Protestant family from northern Mexico.) I just chose that example as a general one. -- T.O.]


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The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"
An Interview with Nancy Many, Former Scientology Spy
The Paulien Lombard Confession -- A Scientology Spy Comes Clean
The Deputy Benjamin Ring Hard Sell -- Scientology wants your 401K
The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology -- the whole series!
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Jgg
Jgg

Ideal orgs currently look more like ideal morgues.

Anon A
Anon A

As you read the rambling, wacky post just before this one, from "bewreslippyslope", just keep in mind that if this person is a Scientologist like s/he claims, then this is an example of a  "homo novus", with advanced communication skills, a raised IQ, and the ability to talk with anyone about any subject, according to Scientology.Amazing what Scientology "tech" can do, eh?

bewreslippyslope
bewreslippyslope

Old Tony promoting prostitution through ads is slanting another story. 

"The only ones who can help. Well, OK, so what are the UK Scientologists proposing as the way they can assist their country in a time of need? By raising even more money and buying even more buildings!"The volunteers are also out on the street cleaning up the debris.  There are many Scientologists and they can do more then one thing at a time. 

Man inhumanity to man comes from the reactive mind.  The common denominator of any failed civilization is the individual.  While Scientologists helps with the debris they also know that helping people remove unwanted emotions helps them think more clearing.  Education is also a process supported by Scientologist as this helps bring understanding.  Yes an internal rally cry would also to  be put to speed up the Organization structure there to be able to process and deliver Dianetics and Scientology services.  

Mormons, and Catholics are around the world not just feeding but also prophesying and creating adherents.   Catholics still do this.    Old Tony "never not print a pimps ad" Ortega, before you make comments on what the Catholics are doing,  why don't google the Catholic church and the number of Churches they have closed down in the last years through out the US and other Countries, and per some upset Catholics doing it on a total financial basis on which properties will get the most value if sold.  These are in many of the poor neighborhoods some with congregations going back 90 years.  This is to solve their financial woes, which the main executor being promoted to the Vatican. 

I like Catholics in fact they are the second most best people in the world.  The point of stating the above is the fact here is Tony making some holier than now statement on what it is to be religious and spiritual,  who from what I can tell believes in neither.  It it done to mock and nothing else.   The money the mag makes is from the under ground selling of sex ads.  Always has, but way back went it was for civil rights and injustice and even its own founder was not pleased when its editorial board decided to go off that and start covering city affairs trying to be relevant again.  Old Tony "I'll take your money for prostitution ads" Ortega is somehow sitting high on a chair and now is the authority on what Churches should do.  Please. 

As to the lovely Psychiatrist that most of the posts think are somehow helping. Here a lovely little update on how they are doing helping our Soldiers. Start of quoteAug-04-2011 20:57 "(MOLALLA, Ore.) - About one million combat veterans from Vie4tnam to the present would/could tell the VA and the military medicos. The same thing after being treated like lab rats for the past 40 or so years with not only lack of success but worsening of symptoms with suicides, murder, alcoholism and "illegal drug use".The illegal drug is usually marijuana and the combat veterans know that it works better than any anti-psychotic or anti-depressant drug.In the meantime, the drug companies and their lobbyists in Washington are making billions of dollars selling to the VA and the military, etc. Check it out for yourselves."The New York Times on August 3 2011 issued a report in the JAMA, (Journal of the American Medical Association), about this subject, in which a research group affiliated with the VA performed a double blind study with 123 PTSD veterans on an anti-psychotic drug Risperdal and 124 veterans on placebo sugar pills. They found the drug was successful only 5% of the time, and only 10 to 20% of veterans showed some relief.

These results indicate the ridiculous and dangerous failure of these type of drugs which also include Seroquel, Geodon and Abilify. Most of this type of drugs only produce a zombifying, stupefying brain depression of no benefit but very bad, adverse side effects.

There is most likely a valid reason for the miserable failure of these drugs along with the small number of successes. PTSD is NOT a certain definitive syndrome."end of Quote. Yes Scientologists will continue, as when you look at the final analysis its hard to find any human on earth who doesn't think our civilizations are slipping more and more into chaos.  Help anyway you can. Scientologists will continue to help.  By the way Phoenix purchase and big beautiful building at a great price.  "Those crazy Girls"

Exite
Exite

Yuk! A new building to calm the riots. Yeah, right! Same old song and dance with nothing accomplished but money in the bank. Riots = fear tactics = perfect opportunity. Nothing more...

MarkStark
MarkStark

Ehi Miglio, dove eravate ieri? Calze alla lavanderia? Lavaggio in un cassonetto con uno spazzolino da denti?

choocho
choocho

It makes me want to paraphrase a line from the movie A Clockwork Orange," They're recruiting vicious young thugs to put into the Sea Org". The Scientogists love Catholics for moral equivalency purposes, the OSA internet guys are always saying that two, or more, wrongs make right.

scilonschools
scilonschools

Funny how the ywo centres of this style Riot,LA 1992 and the UK 2011 are long time Scientology centres!?

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

And while Scientology descends upon the victims to rope in people for their mass victimization scam of quackery and deceit, the Catholics held an open peace service amidst the riots.

As reported in the HuffPo religion column on Aug10, 200 people attended the prayer service at Westminster Cathedral that including multiple types of Christians and Buddhists.

Pat Gaffney, general secretary of Pax Christi, led the service, saying, "let us pray that we may all become more aware of our responsibilities for what happens in the world around us and be prepared to take what action we can to promote good and prevent evil."

Stark contrast to Scientology's battle cry of: OH look - a disaster! What a perfect opportunity to spread our propaganda and hard sell tactics in order to perpetuate our own commercialized brand of evil on the world even further.... one victim at a time.

Despicable.

scilonschools
scilonschools

"Scientology Sees Fundraising Gold in the UK Riots: "We Have a Strategy"Break a head and offer a bandage, standard Scientology stategy!!!

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

Let's look at the Ideal Org program. Members are urged to "cash in your heirlooms," as one flier in San Diego put it. Even so, San Diego could not afford to purchase their Ideal Org property without a little help from rich Scientologists like the Duggans. Property purchased, they couldn't even afford the property taxes. Their 8 acre Ideal Org property was neglected for three years, and is now back on the market.

Other Ideal Org buildings aren't faring so well. In Northumbria, they purchased an old and huge nursing home, a classic brick complex now subject to vandalism and fire. The roof burnt just before heavy rain storms last weekend.

Plymouth org bought an Old Sailors' Home, another crumbling pile they can't afford to maintain or renovate.

The Ivory Bean building in Boston had to be razed, as bricks were raining down on the heads of pedestrians.

The New Haven, CT Ideal Org, a former Freemason fortress, has gone into foreclosure because the wee tiny group there can barely keep their tiny storefront open, let alone take on the costs needed to keep up the massive pile across the street.

These buildings put undue financial stress on local Scientology organizations, as they are responsible for the upkeep and renovation of buildings signed over to RTC, the parent company. And when the buildings have to be sold off, the local orgs will not see any money, it all goes uphill so David Miscavige can have a new motorcycle and fresh lifts for his shoes.

MarkStark
MarkStark

This thing about these looting youths being in "the hands" of "the psychs" could be a new twist. The evil psychs as artful dodgers, profiting from the looting done by their charges, or delighting in the chaos they are causing. Ritalin for everyone!

But come on! The evil psychs are keeping the looters illiterate?

Guest
Guest

The email reminds me a lot of the 419 scammers.  They also latch onto every disaster writing and sending out new scam scripts as the disaster unfolds. 

MarkStark
MarkStark

"The majority of the looters are children under the age of 20 who have been drugged, are illiterate and in psych hands."

Scientology Quiz

The evil psychs are keeping the children of Teegeeack drugged and illiterate because it makes them easier to...

a. rape.b. lobotomize with an icepick. c. sell even more drugs, to get rich on kickbacks from the pharmaceuticals industry.d. all of the above.

If you picked "d" you are on the road to total freedom and should report to the registrar at your nearest Org for processing.

Staki
Staki

funny, how those guys wont tell that LRH said something like this...for every 10 missions - 1 Org. then on every few Orgs - 1 Ideal Org---and about e-mail.....Here in Croatia,we say for someone who is fuul of greed ,something like this :for one to get light (morning),someone must get dark (night)......

bewreslippyslope
bewreslippyslope

Yes and you are part of a criminal organization that thinks it sits above all, hiding their faces in fear; nerdy little guys who get beat up in real life by the bullies the society producers.   What meds are you on?   Do you ever get out of you pajamas?

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

TL ; DR - moonbat rants & raves at the full moon!

johnny d
johnny d

There is NO SUCH THING as "The Reactive Mind" it's made-up mumbo jumbo. Made up by a whacked-out looney science-fiction writer with way to much imagination.The fact that  you buy into his mumbo jumbo proves that you are as whacked-out as he was. I feel sorry for you.

candace6
candace6

"I like Catholics in fact they are the second most best people in the world"

Education works and it helps people.

Guest
Guest

Egli andò alla banca per ottenere un po' di soldi. Il denaro è stato a pagare per azienda lattine. Le lattine sono di aiutare la lotta contro gli stranieri. Gli stranieri sono in lui da vulcani.

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

good point - so much for the so-called "most ethical people in the world" having a positive effect on society in the nearby vicinity of their strongholds.

TheGuest
TheGuest

Oh wait.  I stand corrected.  There Is a Value Added item I found in part in another section of that flier (pay no attention to the fact this suggests perhaps it's not those offspring of the evil psyches who are the ones being controlled and kept illiterate).

"All who make this commitment and decide to show the SPs who are trying to drag Britain down that it CANNOT be done because SCIENTOLOGY is here will be commended - but more than that you will have put your eternal footprint on the Ideal Organisations which will be spanning this spectacular continent."

Who doesn't want an Etenral Footprint in a spanning brick?  Sounds priceless to me.

Jacob
Jacob

It seems to me this should be illegal.  Isn't there some level of organization to keep donations local? For instance, I believe within the Anglican Church, there is a local Diocese which oversees/maintains the local churches, and if one needs to be shut down, then the funds stay within the Diocese.  Therefore, the local church-goers still have invested in the local Diocese (rather than having it all evaporate to remunerate a figurehead). 

MarkStark
MarkStark

It's clearly because there aren't enough disastertunities in the San Diego area. Now if the whole city would burn down, I'm sure an Org would rise like a Phoenix Org. It would have to, because it would be the only place people would have to go for answers.

Factoid: Hubbard was a math illiterate. According to Reitman's new book INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY, while in prep school, he flunked the math portion of the exam for the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis.

Scientology would like to capitalize on people's distress and confusion, dissatisfaction with the establishment, much as they did during the time of Vietnam, and then the assassinations of JFK, MLK and Bobby. Get people when they are really confused, make them believe that Scientology is helping. The web will make the huge difference between then and now. Also, in the 60's Scientology was relatively new.

It's great that their propaganda and sales techniques can be made public. I wish everyone could read this article.

Jacob
Jacob

There was a time, not very long ago, when the OSA would accuse $cientology critics of being paid by pharmaceutical companies to post comments on sites like this.  Haven't seen much of that lately, perhaps because they are starting to realize how ridiculous it sounds. 

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

What criminal organization might that be? The next sentence clause makes no sense. "... real life by the bullies the society producers." WTF are you typing about?

What business is it of yours what meds someone might be on, or what they do with their sleeping attire?

It appears to me that this auditing process has seriously damaged your mind and possibly, your brain, too. Get help. You're a mess.

Guest
Guest

Yes, we are the Pajama Mafia!  The fearful, bullied, medication-taking Masked Bad Guys!

Here's a little tip:  when you disagree with someone, it's a not-so subtle or effective rhetorical tactic to start off calling them a "criminal."  I know that's what they teach you in scientology school (i.e. Jenny Elfman and baby rape), but you should really switch up your tactics a little. 

robert
robert

You really should take a step back and read what you wrote.You realize it makes no sense, right?  It reads like you are on drugs.  Now, I know it's not drugs, but getting no sleep and being treated like a slave will rot your mind just as surely as drugs.

Reading your post really makes me feel for you.You have no idea how what you are saying is perceived.  Are you truly mentally healthy if your perception of the world is so skewed and cut off from reality?  I'm not saying that to attack you, I'm saying that so that you will take a look at what you are doing. 

Guest
Guest

Well said, Johnny d.  Hubbard's flimsy explanation of his invention, "the reactive mind"  is laughable, and to think of all these $cientologists running around trying to eliminate this imaginary thing would be hilarious, if it wasn't bankrupting the blokes and ruining their children's futures.

The term is also a poor choice of words.  The mind _should_ react to things! That's what it's supposed to do.  Unless, of course, we are trying to achieve "zombification" as described in the previous post!  But wait... isn't that how the cultists in Clearwater are described?  Zombies!

Guest
Guest

For a moment, I was thinking about copying and pasting every erroneous, disingenuous or ignorant sentence from this atrocious post, and explaining the errors.  But that moment has passed.  

I will, however, recommend to the FDA that they should start reporting "zombification" and "stupefication" as possible side effects of medications. Funny to think that decades of the brightest minds in research science never thought of that!

I'drathernot
I'drathernot

Thats awesome points, both of you. It's easy to see the effect they are having on their community. 

Guest
Guest

More like a boot stamping on a human face (credit to Orwell's 1984)

MarkStark
MarkStark

More like eternal foot-in-mouth than footprint. 

Scientia
Scientia

There aren't supposed to be any donations. Fundraising is a total no no, per LRH*. An individual org can purchase property if needed, or use money to protect itself from insolvency, but this must come from its own Building Fund** (an account each org must have and invest (a % of its income) in each week).

*HCO PL 24 Feb 1964 Urgent, Org Programming**HCO PL 18 Jan 1965 Financial Management, Building Fund Account

SFF
SFF

That would only apply if you expected the Church of Scientology to behave like a religious organization instead of a shady business trying to hide where the money goes and who controls it.

All UK Scientology orgs are owned by COSRECI, an allegedly charitable entity registered to a house in South Australia owned by a family who no nothing about Scientology (or COSRECI)COSRECI itself has recently released meagre audited books that show unexplained payments of millions of dollars to other Scientology entities.

There was a good news broadcast in Australia on this recently. The ideal org program is just a slightly newer way of shuffling money around.

dagobarbz
dagobarbz

If the whole city burned down, the Scilons would be helpless to act because they've already cashed in their heirlooms.

Maybe the next regging cycle will urge them to 'CASH IN A KIDNEY' for another Ideal Org.

Jacob
Jacob

That would explain how all the numbers he uses in his psycho-babble are ludicrous.  Like when he explains the history of the last 60 trillion years, when the universe is only 15 billion years old. Neat trick.  He also said the Sun is 200 trillion years old.  

He really, in general, just said stuff without any basis in reality. 

Hunterdogs
Hunterdogs

I have been trying to find the pharmaceutical company that pays critics but without success. I  post anyway and I can use the dough, so what the heck?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

You are working for an organization that covertly feeds Aleister Crowley's world view via the decidedly dim L. Ron Hubbard's mistranslation, all at a cost no one can afford. You are working for enslavement. You are working towards stupefaction.

You are working for MASSIVE FAIL.

Sincerely,Xenu

robert
robert

Bewreslippyslope,You deliberately misinterpret what I said which was, "I don't care what you believe, I support your right to believe what you want".  You tend to see what you want to see and disregard the rest.

I'm curious.  Tell me what I have to gain by talking with you here.  I'd really like to hear this.  I'm not selling anything, can you say the same?  

Well, if you actually did google Placido Domingo Jr. and didn't see what I am talking about, then maybe you have a filter on your computer filtering out any negative information. I know some Scientologists have that. It gives one the illusion of freedom, when the info is actually being filtered.  

It is the first several hits on Google.  He had private auditing information that was released and put on the internet when he wouldn't disconnect from his wife.  He is the one saying that it was used against him, it is not something I or anyone else made up.

He hadn't said anything bad about Scientology before this information was released. 

Not only was the info released, but he was attacked on a church attack side, called "placebo domingo" and his ex wife was attacked as well.

From the LA Times:"In the interview, Domingo Jr.  said he was  finished with the church and angry at the way it had tried to make him "disconnect" from his ex-wife, Samantha Domingo. He added that the church had encouraged its members to un-friend him on Facebook, and that leaders had escalated attacks on him by posting online details of his personal life that he only revealed during confidential auditing sessions."

Of course, this is not the first example of using auditing sessions against people.  This has been used many times in the past.  What was maybe new here was, he hadn't left Scientology yet, but Scientology by doing this, basically drove him out.

Score another one for the attack mentality!

You say all these things about the Village Voice.  But you support the Village Voice by coming here, and posting. You do nothing to actually dispute any of the facts of the stories that Tony has run. All you do is toss out the personal attacks.  Why can't you actually talk about the issues?

Tony also ran the story about Placido Domingo Jr.  If you are actually reading the articles, why didn't you see it?  You can still read it above in the list of Scientology articles Tony has under this story.  

bewreslippyslope
bewreslippyslope

The problem with your concern Robert is I just don't believe it is sincere in the least especially how you originally voiced it.  Re look at what you did write.  I know you don't care what I believe or how I think and that's the point.  I also don't believe you have nothing to gain. Maybe its just some internal belief you have to fight what you have perceived has wronged you or your  trying to justify some false rightness.  

I have no filters on my inspection.  I have not personally attacked some protesters. I had to help one who was overheated from the sun, with water and getting him into shade.  I never cared if they marched  with signs or  whatever pinball ideas are bouncing uncontrollable through their skulls.  However when they are nasty and interruptive and denying others their rights in some judge and jury mantra then they can get what they deserve.  No I have never worked for OSA so don't start with I am some OSA op junk.  I have never been prevented in looking into anything, and would not allow censure ship on my inspections. I had once been asked though. That person asked one question Why?  I wonder that too, when many of the anti posts follow the same threads and patterns.  I am out in the real world as your pals put it.  Most Scientologists are.   Village Voice and its shoot offs  were civil rights alternative style magazines who have attacked and shewed the truth since its inception.  Originally trying to brand itself alternative and new age but really was just a rag for stripper, prostitution, drug sales, escort services and other of societies ilk.   It was never much main line and had an high brow idea of own importance from the beginning.  It latter abandoned its civil rights and is mainly a left wing attack paper.  Tony O is the Editor.  He has mainly worked for phx time (same trash) and VV.  Distribution is pretty poor and they give it away and hire homeless people to sell these at subways ( which I originally thought was a good thing till they were found ripping them off.  This was back in the 90's when I lived in NY).  One or two articles in the papers not news, but skewed attack pieces mostly on decent people trying to do something, the rest of the paper is underground ads that hide their true product.   Tony has lost his most important writers who were to somehow expand its coverage.  They walked out.   Not much else remotely impressive. Tons of infighting is how they relate to each other so I assume they  feel their own comrades are beneath them. Distribution 220,000 in a city of 8.6 mil and its given free.   Attributable to this failure he has now followed what I believe the poor and desperate writers plan and has launched a day in and day out attack on Scientology.  This is not an uncommon pr plan to attack something big so that you seem significant.   His articles are skewed and not honest in the least.   The Village Voice is not the top of the heap of journalistic endeavors.  Search google on how VV is viewed by its pears.   When each piece is designed to create Hate, and smear one has to look at it's issuer's motives.   I will not condone running ads for sex acts and I did not condone it when Craigslist did it, but they at least tried to do something to stop  it.  VV has it as their focal point always has. I reviewed some of the Placido Domingo, Jr's coverage and don't see what you are talking about, so I may have not seen that or its just skewed shoot out.  Auditing information is confidential and its been treated as such always.   So agree or disagree isn't really that question.  The tactic of shooting some article that is already suspect is another anti good tool some of the clones follow. Many have no personal experience in Scientology so just pull highlights and shoot.  I don't take up all.   That is what I did.  Not much for mutual understanding is it?   It's really quite easy and fills posts but does benefit mans forward endeavors. 

AquaClara
AquaClara

  "Be aware who you are working for and just who you have decided to allay yourself with."

Jennifer Lopez?  Louis Farrakhan?

Good luck with that.

I'll stick with the Marcabians.

Guest
Guest

IF there is anyone left who still cares in the least what  bewreslippyslope had to say in this steaming pile of copypasta, here are the highlights:

Scientology is doing GREAT for the following reasons:

-The Nation of Islam is taking courses!-J Lo might join!-32 soldiers committed suicide!  (What's bad for psych is good for Scientology?)-Members of Anonymous are on trial!-Anonymous aren't all nice!

That pretty much sums it up.  I have to say, not super convincing stuff.  Especially since J Lo is getting divorced for her interest in $cientology.  At least ex-hubby Marc Anthony knows the deal.

robert
robert

Bewreslippyslope,I expressed concern for you, not "internal hate".It is unfortunate that you cannot tell the difference.  Who is more likely to be telling you the truth?  Someone who wants to work you to distraction like a slave and reg you till you bleed money, or someone who has nothing to gain by talking with you? 

I told you that what you wrote makes no sense so you you might actually stop a minute and think about what you are doing. I don't care what you believe, I support your right to believe whatever you want.  

But your organization is hurting people; that's why people are here talking about it.And that is what is being criticized.  You don't realize that when you attack Tony, for example, you are doing exactly what your organization claims it doesn't do. You give proof of the policy that you claim you don't have. Instead of responding factually to what he published, you try to attack him personally.

You seem to have no understanding that asking people for money in the wake of riots is viewed as opportunistic.  You seem not to understand how your organization is perceived. I don't mean by Tony, or Anonymous, but the general public at large.  Every time you lash out like this, you make more public who were uninformed think about the bad things in Scientology.

Do you ever question why you are not permitted to read or look at certain things? Why things are coming to you filtered?  Do you really understand how you are viewed?

Think about some of the things your organization has been doing.

Tell me do you agree with your organization leaking info from Placido Domingo, Jr's auditing sessions, and not only that, but attacking him on a website because he wouldn't disconnect from his ex wife and children?

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Slope, I seriously think you need a workshop in copypasta, and editing.

All that text you posted comes across as the ranting and raving of a moonbat. 

Makes me think of a cornered weasel, desperately snarling at the self-made walls that have boxed it in.

Weasels and walls aside, your text does come across as something from a very desperate person, frightened and cowering as the cult you represent caves in around you. Public relations catastrophes raining down on the cult, every day, week after week, while the world looks on, in disgust, at the vileness of it all.

Have you read Hugh B. Urban's book yet? How about Janet Reitman's? Very educational materials, in my humble opinion. Fear not. They are mere words printed on paper, and you appear to be bereft of an education.

bewreslippyslope
bewreslippyslope

You just don't get it do you?  You sit in a personal delusion of the idea that Scientology is going away.  Its just not going to happen.  I have no delusion you will cease your internal hate.  That you Robert or other Anon's who hack and hate and toy and try to create chaos and havoc so they can feel important and elite whom most likely sit in pure hell hating life and knowing they  are not any of those things their delusions think they are.    Others who seem to be the followers of ole Tony "selling ads that sell young children for sex to justify his weekly hate rag"  O.  whom seem to have personal Hatred of all things Religious or people getting better.   This I am not expecting you to see.  

However,  when you attack individual Scientologists who are doing what they can  as volunteers, to better people lives you are past the slippery slope of of decent citizen.

Now to show you the point of why Scientology will continue to survive.  Here are just recent reports and articles on the tally of its forward movement. 

NOI now sending people to Dianetics to get trained.  That's a group with supporters of millions.   Failing Schools turning to the Literacy crusade to save their failing School.  This is occurring in Florida, Hollywood, and Utah. 

J Lo now being a Scientologist. Another influential  mogul in the entertainment world is supporting Scientology.     Article quotes from TVNZ

" The 42-year-old star recently admitted she wished people wouldn't judge the Scientology religion - also followed by Jennifer's close friends Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes - before they know what it is.She said: "I just wish that people wouldn't judge it without knowing what it is."

J-Lo recently admitted she "wouldn't mind" if the children were educated by the Church, saying: "I just wish that people wouldn't judge it without knowing what it is."

Despite the couple's shock split, Jennifer claimed she will remain an "eternal optimist", and is still confident about finding love again." Since many of the posts in this thread were touting Psychiatry lets look at what they do and their products with billions they have been given by government. 

In July 32 Soldiers committed suicide.  Who runs the military mental health - Psychiatry.  That's 32 soldiers dying because of the drugs and faith in non scientific mental health.   Failure of those who protect our rights, who are asked to give their lives in service.   Instead of helping the spiritual turmoil with religion they are treated like rats with Psychiatry. 

Or here is another of Psychiatry results.. 

"Gail Porter has battled eating disorders, bipolar disorder, post-natal depression and alopecia.But her recent three-week stay in a mental health unit proved to be one of the darkest times of her life.Porter was sectioned in April after suffering a nervous breakdown and texting her boyfriend Johnny Davies to say: "I can't carry on. I feel suicidal."A worried Davies called the police."They asked me to go with them and I was put in the back of a police van which panicked me and I was kicking and screaming to get out," Gail told the Mail on Sunday.She was then placed under a 28-day section order which forced her to stay at the psychiatric wing of the Royal Free Hospital in North London.It felt as if I was in the film One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest," Porter revealed. "I had been forced into this place with some very, very ill people and we were left to our own devices and to fend for ourselves."Porter revealed she was given two doses of diazepam, one of anti-anxiety drug clorazepate and zopiclone for insomnia each day but added: "In three weeks I saw three doctors for 10 minutes each."Each time all I was asked was, 'How are you feeling?' I told them I felt depressed, they wrote it down and a week later another one came back."Drugged up to the eyeballs, a "frightened" Gail shared the ward with "seriously ill" inmates, some of whom believed they were Jesus and one who attempted suicide."end of article. 

This is the best they offer to a celeb.  What is happening to other poor souls who do not have press agents and lawyers to get them out. 

Daily I speak to people looking for solutions. Whether you deny it or not people are looking.  Scientologist have been helped, I have been helped and will defend the rights of others to be so.   To check out what they like and  to ask questions and look for solutions to their problems. 

You and your haters Heil to Anon as your other partners in chaos and destruction.  They are Criminal, why because they are and not because I say or anyone else but because they are being tried and convicted and sent to jail....  Real Jail with bars and trained marksmen to ensure they don't escape. 

What fine upstanding citizens are they, well this is how they treat each other. 

Another Article just out gives us a glimpse into just how they treat each other."One of the researchers was Jennifer Emick, who goes by handleAshera. A 39-year-old mother of four who recently moved from Californiato the Midwest (she's reluctant to revealwhere exactly she lives for reasons that will soon become clear), Emick hadonce been an enthusiastic participant in Anonymous activities. Back in 2008,when members of the incipient movement launched a protest against the Church of Scientology,she showed up regularly to the weekly picket line that formed outside of their San Franciscoheadquarters.  

But in May of last year, a riftopened up within Anonymous, and Emick says she got swept up in a feud betweentwo cliques. Members of the opposing clique harassed her, calling her house atall hours, impersonating her on the Internet and leaving racist comments underher name on various websites. She largely blamed the attacks on Gregg Housh, anearly Anonymous member who often acted in the capacity of a spokesperson andnow describes himself as an "observer" of the group.

Housh, for his part, says thatEmick brought the attacks upon herself by doing similar things to others, buthe denies that he took part in them.

Later, Byun said he had just been toying with Housh --"social engineering" him, as he put it. "I didn't really want tohang out with him," he said.

Housh offered a contrastingexplanation, one that sheds a little light, perhaps, on his personality, if noton Anonymous as a whole.

"I love conversing withpeople who hate me," he said. "That kind of debate and argument isactually invigorating to me. I enjoy it."

End of article quote.  

Be aware who you are working for and just who you have decided to allay yourself with.  

Guest
Guest

ADDENDUM- my post was in response to  bewreslippyslope (not  candace6)

TheGuest
TheGuest

oooh, good one.  From boot stamping of "1984" to eternal footprints in 2011.  Who sez scientology is stuck in the 50's?

But I'm reverting back to fraud, Unless... these helpful and all knowing scientologists report the names and contact information of these evil psychiatrists to the police, and hey, the Prime Minister himself. 

I mean,  they Are saying they know who is responsible for the riots.  And they Are publishing and advertising it via the mail to solicit money to raise funds to protect their members (naturally via real estate building) from said psychs and their rioting young puppets,  right? 

 

robert
robert

They actually did run an add for that in Australia, encouraging people to sell gold teeth, no fooling!

TheGuest
TheGuest

Organs for Orgs.  lol   What about gold teeth?  @ $1800/oz, if you see a scientology salesman staring at you in the mouth .... 

I can just see That success story!  "I thought I was broke, and worried about the debt collectors biting me in the butt.  But then I did the Golden Book course, and realized I was golden after all !" 

MarkStark
MarkStark

Organs for Orgs. Scientology helping the poor to give.

PaxilPaxilPaxil
PaxilPaxilPaxil

If having trouble finding big pharma contracts to pay you for making posts, check Craig's List, they use the code-name "Farmabig."  Another option is getting paid by the ice-pick companies to promote lobotomies.  That's easy money, working from home! 

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