The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology, No. 19: The Squirrel Busters

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On August 5, we started a countdown that will give credit -- or blame -- to the people who have contributed most to the sad current state of Scientology. From its greatest expansion in the 1980s, the church is a shell of what it once was and is mired in countless controversies around the world. Some of that was self-inflicted, and some of it has come from outside. Join us now as we continue on our investigation of those people most responsible...





The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology

#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)


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"Hi, I'm Rich, and these are the Squirrel Busters."
The "Squirrel Busters" came on the scene only recently, but the persistent goon squad has quickly made a big impact on Scientology watching.

We first wrote about the Busters when they showed up at the doorstep of Marty Rathbun's house with cameras strapped to their heads. They were also wearing sky blue T-shirts with an emblem of a squirrel with the head of Rathbun, crossed out. Since then, they've provided us with one bizarre episode after another as they've turned a cul-de-sac in south Texas into a battle zone, besieging Rathbun, his wife, and their neighbors.

Rathbun, formerly the Inspector General of Scientology's Religious Technology Center -- which made him more or less the second-most powerful person in the entire organization -- defected in 2004, and then in 2009 began publicly criticizing church leader David Miscavige on his blog, "Moving On Up a Little Higher." He also made it clear that he was continuing to practice Scientology's auditing methods, and was welcoming a steady stream of other longtime members who were leaving the church and were now calling themselves "independent" Scientologists. Traditionally, Scientology has used the derogatory term "squirrel" to refer to people who use L. Ron Hubbard's ideas outside the official church.

And very quickly, Rathbun has become the king of the squirrels. Inside Scientology author Janet Reitman has likened Rathbun to a sort of Martin Luther of Scientology as he attracts a growing independence movement. Despite his remote location -- in a Corpus Christi-area town called Ingleside on the Bay -- Rathbun and his blog rapidly have become a serious challenge to Miscavige's official rule over Scientology.

And so the Squirrel Busters were dispatched to his house.

It was pretty plain right from the start that the Busters were there for one main reason: intimidation. As I wrote then...

To me, the creepiest part of [the Squirrel Busters' own] video comes near the beginning, and is not seen or heard on Rathbun's version. You hear [John] Allender telling Rathbun that the reason the group is there is to check his equipment. It's a taunt, meant to rattle Rathbun about the fact that he is not allowed by official Scientology rules to deliver Scientology auditing using Scientology equipment (an e-meter) outside of the purview of the church.

That was in April. Now, in late August, the Squirrel Busters are still there, sitting outside Rathbun's house every day in a golf cart, filming him and filming themselves, hoping to get a rise out of Rathbun or goad him into assaulting them.

Squirrel Busters like John Allender -- a Scientologist who traveled all the way from San Jose, California, to stake out Rathbun's house -- have claimed to the local south Texas media that they are volunteers and are working on a "documentary" about Rathbun. They said they are not working for the church, but had taken it upon themselves to get out the word that Rathbun is not using Scientology technology correctly. Or something. They hired a local ex-cop to help them rent local property and get the lay of the land. No matter where Rathbun goes in town, the Busters hover around him and get in his face.

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Lubow
Mark Collette, a reporter for the Corpus Christi Caller-Times exposed the Squirrel Busters' real agenda. A videographer named Bert Leahy worked only a few days for the goon squad, and then told his story to Collette and to Rathbun: the Busters are the creation of longtime Scientology private investigator David Lubow, who runs a "war room" in a nearby hotel, keeping in close contact with people in Los Angeles, one of the main hubs of Scientology.

"Dave Lubow is a rimless zero without the rim. He is living proof that you can soak money out of the church of Scientology forever by 'investigating' things forever and never coming to any conclusion," says Mike Rinder, who until 2007 was Scientology's chief spokesman and also oversaw the Office of Special Affairs, its intelligence and covert operations wing. "He is engaged in underhanded, sleazy stuff and manages to convince people that he actually does investigations. And he gets paid a lot to do it, and just keeps sucking the money out of them."

According to Leahy, Lubow told the Busters that they really only had one aim: to make Rathbun's life "a living hell" and rile up his neighbors so much, he will be forced to leave the community -- and then to follow him wherever he goes.

Once again, Scientology is revealed to be running a pure intimidation racket, using its thugs and goons to push its perceived enemies into nightmarish legal sinkholes.

That pattern and practice goes back a long, long way.

Before the Squirrel Busters, some of the church's nastiest harassment campaigns made use of a disgraced Los Angeles cop who for years was Scientology's go-to private investigator.

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Ingram, early 1990s
Eugene Ingram was fired from the LAPD in 1981, the same year he was indicted for tipping off drug dealers to raids and running a prostitution racket.

In other words, a helluva guy.

The next year, he was hired by Marty Rathbun to work for Scientology.

Multiple times over his many years as Scientology's chief thug, Ingram ran into accusations that he was impersonating a cop as he tried to intimidate people the church was suing, or that Scientology wanted information from. There are cases of this across the country. I am most familiar with the time he strong-armed a man name Robert Cipriano, who lived in New York, by giving Cipriano the impression that he was an LAPD detective. Using Cipriano's own legal troubles as leverage, Ingram intimidated him into signing a false affidavit about Graham Berry, a man Scientology wanted to destroy.

"Eugene Ingram is a caricature of a private investigator. He's like what he thinks a private investigator in Central Casting should be like," says Rinder. "You know, he wears loud suits, slicked-back hair, an expensive car. Everything about him is loud and obnoxious. And he's about as subtle as a brick."

There's no doubt that Ingram and Lubow are giving Scientology what it wants -- strong-arm tactics by ruthless operators. But as in the case of its attorneys, which we brought up earlier in the countdown, the inevitable result is that Scientology only builds on its reputation as a retaliation machine that will pervert any rule or law to get what it wants.

See you Monday with No. 18. -- but check back tomorrow for our regular weekend feature, Commenters of the Week. There's still time to make the final cut, so hit us with those pithy or pointed or poignant missives!



BIZARRO UPDATE: The story of the Squirrel Busters is an ongoing one, and today, well, you just have to see this. Earlier in the week, we noticed that Rathbun had taken a hose to the Squirrel Busters, who continue to do video stand-ups in front of his house. Now, he's taken things a step further, setting up sprinklers to make the cul-de-sac in front of his house a constant downpour. In the following video, take in the bizarre scene of ponchos and umbrellas under the south Texas sun:

What does this all signify? Isn't Marty getting a bit mean? Are the Squirrel Busters becoming martyrs to the cause?

Look, no one said Marty Rathbun is making official Scientology look any better than the Squirrel Busters are. That's why the Busters are on this list. Their bizarre intimidation attempts are irrational, annoying, and lame. And all evidence suggests that they're being funded by the church directly. As the king of the squirrels and his tormentors do battle in Ingleside on the Bay, official Scientology's image continues to sour and rot.

Update: Rathbun tells me the sprinklers are actually his neighbors', who came up with the idea of trying to drive away the Squirrel Busters with artificial rain.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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shellbell311
shellbell311

Who are these crazy people?  Squirrel busters?  No wonder people are leaving the wacky scientology ways.  These people are sickos and stalkers!  Who in their right mind wants to give all their money and be told who they may speak to and also the punishments given!  The Churches (if you can call it a church) excuses about all the people leaving are that they are crazy and making all this stuff up.  I don't believe that that many people can make up the same story.  Squirrel busters just want to intimidate and not let the truth get out!  Sickos!  Keep up the good work Marty!

Jeff Barea
Jeff Barea

I've been meaning to make a return visit to my old Feast of Tabernacles resort. Come hell or high water I will wander aroudn Ingleside Bay until someone draws First Blood and the get all Predator drone on that damn squirrel who stole all my watermelons save one.

RLy
RLy

 "He also made it clear that he was continuing to practice Scientology's auditing methods, and was welcoming a steady stream of other longtime members who were leaving the church and were now calling themselves "independent" Scientologists." Whoa...!! Scientology is not a healthy dose for your physical and spiritual being. HELLOooo... Its a CULT remember. Not a true religion! Why, after they left the dragon den and now they hopped into a tiger den? There goes nothing, down they go spiraling deeper into the rabbit's hole. And the vicious circle continues.

Patty Moher
Patty Moher

Thank fucking Xenu you said something to Joe Lynn.  My brain was starting to bleed from reading his posts.

Zander
Zander

The Squirrel Busters are applying L. Ron Hubbard's instructions for harassing "squirrels." Has Marty Rathbun admitted this yet?

Plus the Squirrel Busters are harassing Rathbun very lightly, and - for some reason - are doing so very visibly. Each event becomes another YouTube video.

Easily 90% of Hubbard's Fair Game instructions are not being used on Marty. He's getting, as Hubbard would say, the "nicey nicey" treatment. In return, Marty is silent on the truly serious crimes committed by Miscavige. What's up with that?

I know it's entertaining, but let's not be idiots.

Schockenawd
Schockenawd

Seriously... what Zander said.  Let's be honest, shall we?  Finally?  The only reason why any of this is happening is because human deliverance is a lucrative enterprise.  There is money to be had in helping people save their own souls.  Would LRH have invented Scientology if there weren't a huge payday for him?  Obviously not.  Would Marty Rathbun be trying to get "independents" to go his way if it weren't potentially profitable?  I so seriously doubt it (come on, Marty, your recent past has involved a lot of shit-giving in the name of Scientology; we're supposed to simply swallow that you're all sincerity-and-salvation now?).  Now, here we are, watching people waste their lives under umbrellas in front of Rathbun's tiny-Texas-town home.  What an astonishing waste of human energy Scientology has wrought.  

MarkStark
MarkStark

The odd part is that while we might feel like ninnies saluting a portrait of a dead huckster like Hubbard, the Squirrel Busters have the transcendent belief they are "saving the planet" by lurking in front of an ex-member's house. They probably feel special being part of this unique mission.

If Marty were Andreas (or Jesus) he'd probably be out there serving the Busters lunch every day, you know, trying to open a comm cycle.

(I feel deliciously nutty every time I use an LRH term.)

At this stage of the cult in decline, Marty performs an important function. If you believe in Xenu, but can't talk about it, you need to be in a place with other people who believe in Xenu, and can't talk about it. And what are you going to do if you were forced out or ran out of money? You have no one to not talk about Xenu with, or something like that.

Tracy
Tracy

Wow Mark...I think you hit it. "If Marty were Andreas (or Jesus) he'd probably be out there serving the Busters lunch every day, you know, trying to open a comm cycle"How refreshing would that be??!!  Rising above it and seeing Scientologists being nice to Scientologists.  What a concept.  I would have immediately opened that ounce of respect to Rathbun for some Phenomenal Buddist Tao Jesusisms.I seems that all Scientologists can do is hate and harrass no matter what their cult level.  Corporate or indie.

Wholigan
Wholigan

   KSW, my niggas, KSW.

Wholigan
Wholigan

   This question is directed at former members, when Sci's do this stuff, are they really that oblivious to the overwhelming dorknititude(sic.) they display? Seriously, do they have to convince themselves this works?Are they being fed crap by other Sci dorks to convince themselves this crap is effective???     Do they not watch themselves?     Cults suck, man, cults suck.

Patty Moher
Patty Moher

Yes, they are oblivious.  There are different levels of indoctrination and obliviousness.  The Squirrel Busters are those with an extremely high level of indoctrination.  In Scientology they would say that the SB's have a "high confront of evil".  To a Scientologist that means that hey have the "ability" to read "entheta" and not be effected by it.  In the real world that means that the SB's are very special retards, because they can read the truth about Scientology and are so thoroughly indoctrinated that they can filter out accurate information and never once believe a word of it. 

So yes, the Squirrel Busters, OSA and the Sea Org are pretty much oblivious to how the rest of us perceive them. 

As a former very special retard that worked for OSA, I'm pretty certain about this. :-)

Tom25tom
Tom25tom

Squirrel Busters ......... when you want crazy with your cult

Dan Locke
Dan Locke

I know Scientologists who are active within the "official" Church and many independents. 

Years ago I had acquaintances with a few of these squirrel busters and they were all decent people. 

I have never met Marty or Mike personally but I imagine that they're both good guys. 

And I have watched Marty's blog or the last few weeks to get a view of the tempest in the toilet bowl that has been brewing in his front yard; wondering what would come of it. 

It's time for the parents or the legally appointed guardians of all these children to come get them, bring them home and spank them as it's well past curfew and they're all being naughty. 

By children I mean the squirrel busters AND Marty and all others who get involved in these petty shoving matches. 

Each one of these people are children playing childish games: name calling, ridiculing and now water fights and galoshes! 

If the leaders of either of these groups (nominally Miscavige for the C of S and Rathbun-- at least a prominent spokesman--  for the Independents) had any real respect for the "true" Scientology they purport to represent they'd just stop this nonsense. 

If I was a member of either of these factions, I'd be ashamed of this behavior.  Most scoffed at Tom Cruises recent representations of Scientology; they're wincing as they watch these. 

Get them all warm glasses of milk and have them take their naps. 

From much of what I have read in Marty's blog he deeply respects Scientology and Ron Hubbard.  And I think that I have been able to discern the same from what David Miscavige is saying in his speeches; although I have to play them several times to figure out if he is really saying anything at all. 

But these videos cast all in a bad light. If Marty keeps coming out to chronicle with his video camera all these stupid encounters without changing his script in the starring role, HE'S likely to make your list of 25. 

The world watches. 

My respect will grow for the first who walks away from this mutually created fiasco. Just like any other petty fight; only one person has to reclaim his dignity and walk away from it and it will all dissolve.

Sid
Sid

Dan

Your analysis of the situation is completely bizarre.

I think most people would agree it is the SquiBs that are camped outside Marty's house, and not the other way around.

In order for Marty to metaphorically walk away, he would probably have to promise to never again practice Scientology independently, and have to shut down his blog. If he did both those things, I'm sure the SquiBs would also go home.

i.e. he would have to give up his rights to freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

Conversely, in order for the SquiBs to walk away, they would need to, well, walk away.

I agree that metaphorically, Marty has parked a tank in front of David Miscavige's ego, but David Miscavige does not have the right to violate people's human rights just because his ego is being dented.

If you think that Marty could just ignore them and they would go away, you are deluded. They are there on the instruction of the man you think "deeply respects Scientology and Ron Hubbard". If you think that man respects anything, you have no discernment.

I am not in the Marty fan-club, but the man is being harassed, plain and simple.

Guest
Guest

The evidence thus far proves the Squirrel Busters are harassing Rathburn, not vice-versa.   You are a scientology apologist, that is apparent, but don't imply it's all equivocal behavior.  It's not, as you imply, a petty "mutually created" fight in the schoolyard.  They are at his home... is that lost on you?  When the stalkers come to your home, how can you "walk away?"  That's terrible advice. 

Dan Locke
Dan Locke

I see that it is the same. I see that it is petty. I see that it is mutually created. It's not lost on me that it's at his home. It's the same stuff. You could put Marty in a squirrel buster t-shirt and Allender in a white t-shirt and I don't see anything different in what they are saying. He can call the cops if they trespass and walk by them and ignore them when he comes and goes. He's feeding the fire. I guess you have never been a parent or you were homeschooled and had no brothers or sisters? You mean you have never seen this type of thing before?

Guest
Guest

What does it matter?  He said "Dianetics and MANY other" texts.   Are you implying that people can read such a quantity of scientology material, come to the conclusion that it is batshit crazy, but really end up making a "premature" decision because there is some text you would PREFER we read first?  

Since Hubbard had diarrhea of the mouth, and scattered his craziness over umpteen hundred tapes, books, and videos.... what "classic" documents would you recommend?  Is there a single "holy" document that someone could read, and reject, such that you would accept that rejection?  Or would you just turn around and say "Aha... you haven't read THIS."

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Answering questions with questions. Typical. 

I'll put it this way, Don. If it's been leaked to the Internet, I've read it, closely. You want a detailed list? Hire me as a consultant. I'm not your personal research assistant - NYPRA!

Dan Locke
Dan Locke

Other than Dianetics, what have you read closely?

Guest
Guest

Well said, Duck!!  :)

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

"He's feeding the fire" - I kind'a like this tactic. As we all can see, this won't stop until there is a winner. This is documented exposure of all sides of Co$ insanity. 

Perhaps you can travel to IOB and be a mediator. Your gains must be superior to those that are in this childish squabble. Heck, I'd travel to the coast to document/video that. 

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

"What I still support is the vast body of workable technology that is the Scientology Grades and Dianetics. I value the Auditors' Code and the Basic Auditing Series and the Axioms and Logics."

You can support anything you like. I've given the Dianetics text, and many others, several very close readings. 

The impression I was left with is this: anyone who believes that they are qualified to go into that kind of psychological territory with another person, without medical credentials and certification, is batshit crazy, and probably criminally insane. I think they are in serious need of medical attention; if not that, then incarceration.

How do you explain away the sixty-year wake of destruction left by this vile cult? The families and lives destroyed by this monstrous "religion" ? The "auditors code." The "Axioms" and "Logics." ?

FFS! Get a grip! How can you support this madness? Never mind. I've already figured out how you do it. It's done with cowardice, deceit and denial. What a pathetic contribution to society you make.

Guest
Guest

 The problem is not that I haven't been exposed to the $cientology materials.  I have read it extensively.  The PROBLEM is that I have read the much better stuff for decades as a comparative theologist.  And I know a scam when I read it!  If you want advice (I doubt you do) look in to nondualism.  Problem solved, for free.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Some of my best friends are or have been Scientologists :)  That most eventually are not has very little to do with me trying to tell them they should stop. 

Dan Locke
Dan Locke

'Scuse me. The fellow that I was commenting with before was TheGuest. Got you confused. 

All of us do better, I think, when we do our best to speak civilly with each other. Every reconciliation I have ever witnessed had mutual respect as a key factor. 

All of the materials that I mentioned earlier are available online (most of them most easily available through critics' sites, I think!) 

Look them, even with the intent to scoff or ridicule, if you like, but be prepared! You just might get a peak at some real genius. 

Too bad we could not get it to you with the Scientology sticker taken off and presented to you as authored by another currently validated and popular self help guru in order to get past any prejudice that "if it's by Hubbard it's got to be trash"; I think you'd like these references. 

Guest
Guest

You have me mistaken for someone else.   I have never been a scientologist, let alone a RPF dupe.

You said "What I still support is the vast body of workable technology that is the Scientology Grades and Dianetics. I value the Auditors' Code and the Basic Auditing Series and the Axioms and Logics"

That's fine you support that.   But I (like most educated folks) maintain it is the work of a psychopath, take it for what that's worth.

I should add, I apologize if I take a sharp tone with you.  It's not personal.  I just want to prevent the destruction of families and financial ruin for the vulnerable.

danlocke
danlocke

Just thought that I would provide a little more evidence that I am both "danlocke" and "Dan Locke". Wish you well, Guest, btw.

Dan Locke
Dan Locke

This is a person suggesting how a guy might get some peace and quiet in his personal life in spite of being taunted and jabbed at. And, your right; this is a person who still holds some respect for the philosophy that both parties claim to be "holier than the other" at the application of. 

(I commented here before as "danlocke" several times. When I went on to comment initially here today I apparently was signed in under a different email, but I am one and the same.)

I won't make any apology for Scientology "administrative tech" or "ethics" or "justice" "technology" that validates or condones the activities of the squirrel busters. You are right, Guest, it's just plain wrong. 

What I still support is the vast body of workable technology that is the Scientology Grades and Dianetics. I value the Auditors' Code and the Basic Auditing Series and the Axioms and Logics. 

I am at complete odds with much of Scientology admin "technology".

At this moment I am not going to defend my rationale that the whole body of work should not be thrown out due to the offenses of Scientology management.

From what you have told me, you have reduced the whole subject to being a sometimes workable talk therapy, well out distanced in it's effectiveness by other therapies over 50 years ago. 

But, if you would, even for a moment, recover to yourself one shred of respect for any of this philosophy I think you might agree that both parties are very much blowing it in their public activities. 

You know who I am, Guest (you told me before that we were both on the RPF together); I don't know who you are. But I think that we both know that an auditor''s beingness and attitude could put this thing to an end rather quickly. Even if  the squirrel busters were badgered to do this again and again, nothing would be more boring than Marty just ignoring them.  

I thought Marty might have figured this out with his recent postings about the Tao. But, no, he's just being a fully trained Scientology administrator as well; attacking back and investigating those who are investigating him! (And so on and so on...)

Guest
Guest

"This type of thing" is scientology scripture about how to unhinge a "wog," how to drive someone nuts, how to push them to the limits.  This is church teaching to attack, never defend.  This is a church waiting for a crack in propriety so they can put the victim in jail.  Great religion, thanks for giving your side of the story!!

Arielle
Arielle

Water is becoming one of the most valuable commodities in the world, and wars are being fought over it [the Darfur crisis was caused by a draught]. Hence, letting Marty's sprinklers run all day long, while hilarious, is not very environmentally friendly and will not contribute towards Scientology's goal of clearing the planet and helping humanity.  I'm not impressed. Turn off the sprinklers Marty. And go get a restraining order agaisnt Allender instead.

Guest
Guest

I want to see the video the $cientologists were filming under the sprinklers!!!  It must be hysterical.... every few seconds a blast of water across the face of the soaked talking scilon, fouling up the golf cart, microphone and camera, droplets on the lens.... bwahaha. 

t1kk
t1kk

Kind of like the good old GO days when no wacky scheme was too harebrained. They got away from that when it became apparent that harassing people legally with lawyers is more effective and involves less blowback, so this is something of an amalgamation of those approaches.

The only question is whether the SBs have the stamina and money to hang around until Marty breaks. The water-spraying is/was funny and all but reminds me a lot of Minton's "Penick Picket Pole," Exhibit 123 of Minton taking Scientology's bait and retaliating in some small way before finally snapping. Come to think of it Marty's a lot like Minton--another alpha male putting the world on his back and engaging in a bigger dick contest with David Miscavige. I'd suggest Scientology was stronger then than it is now but they still have enough money to feed and house and buy t-shirts and spy equipment for these sad losers to sit around waiting for Marty to finally snap, which he's showing signs of doing by playing tit for tat.

MarkStark
MarkStark

About the video of the woman standing up for the character of Marty "Rathburn," I think she should master his name before she endorses the real super powers she is sure to get from him.

On a more serious note, I hate seeing water wasted.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

 At first glance I thought it was Paris Hilton.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Yeah, MarkStark, but you have to agree that her delivery was, um, phenomenal.

Guest
Guest

She is definitely at-cause over her phenomenality.  Starting to sound a little bit like a Ron-Bot, though.  My Ron-Alerts start going off when she says "it's just a mix of Taoism and Buddhism,"  gag me.  Throw in a dash of Satanism to be more accurate!

XenuBodyThetan Chuck Beatty
XenuBodyThetan Chuck Beatty

Tony Ortega, you have racked up more excellent reporting, getting comments from ex member leaders like Rathbun and Rinder, new material, new comments from these top ex members, and you always come through with new material.   Tony you are truly one of a kind, I've not seen ANY reporter in the history of Scientology stay so on top of the movement's history.   The weekly newspapers just, in my opinion, are a whole good thing in the media landscape.   Thankyou from the bottom of my heart Tony, for all your years of excellent reporting!   - Chuck Beatty, ex Sea Org (lifetime, billion year staffer, 1975-2003, amateur Scientolgoy history encrourager).   Your series of articles, over the years, and in the Village Voice, need to be put into a book, I swear, for future serious researchers of Scientology.   Great public service!

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Joe_Lynn, your conspiracy theories are rapidly becoming very tiresome. I would suggest that you actually present some evidence that Rathbun is in on the Squirrel Busters siege or please drop it.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Tony, it's never going to happen.

Not once in the last 2 years or so has Joe "Zinjifar" Lynn produced *any* documentation to back up his on-going attacks against Mark Rathbun in any public forum, despite repeated requests for same.

Michael HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Sure Tony, as always, time will tell

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

For those who are confused about how it could be possible that Marty Rathbun and his 'Independents' could be mere facets of the 'Church' of Scientology and David Miscavige himself, it's easily explained with Scientology theory.

According to Scientology Dogma, there are 3 levels of 'determinism':

1)  Other Determinism - Somebody else controls you2)  Self-Determinism   -  You control yourselfand, the highest level of Determinism:

3)  Pan Determinism  - you control all aspects of 'The Game'---------------------------------(Dn 55!, p. 100) 2. defined as determining the activities of two or more sides in a game simultaneously. (PAB 84) 3. the ability to regulate the considerations of two or more identities, whether or not opposed. (COHA, p. 110) 4. full responsibility for both sides of a game. (Scn 0-8, p. 119)--------------------------------

Ron described 'pan determinism' as being like a person playing both sides of a chess game.

Guest
Guest

I don't really follow, Joe.  Am I to understand that scientology dogma is a good way to explain something?

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

About all I can say to that is, it's essential to explaining Scientology :)

Scientologee
Scientologee

Joe_Lynn : so to neatly abridge & sum up what you just said above.... "sfuycneilrsutzenunefhgflunkjacn"

MarkStark
MarkStark

With the advent of the web in particular, the cult of Sciloontology is at a loss to scare members about:

1. Getting pneumonia and dying when finding out about Xenu, before they've spent up to that level.

2. Not being able to get decent auditing or practice Sci-cuckoo outside the cult.

3. Losing their eternity, as well as getting disconnected from their cult friends 'n' family.

Although the last one is still a powerful incentive to keep paying into it, enter the Squirrel Busters who are supposed to add an extra element of humiliation for those who have left, and for those who might think of leaving. A 3-stooge force of oppression-shattering noisy investigators, with a "war room" for planning their operations.

However, it is obviously backfiring badly. There are some people who seriously think Marty is in on this whole thing, it benefits his cause so much.

Anyone who runs across this story, who might be considering Sciloontology, is going to be completely turned off, or in the least curious about what would lead a group to behave like this.

Lubow is a barrel of fun compared to Ingram. Marty is lucky he didn't get a guy who is the caliber of thug Marty himself hired. I know, I know. He was under the spell of an evil midget wielding Black Dianetics.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

from 'Save Scientology dot com';  

"The IRS hopefully will refrain from from seeking revocation if these reform actions are immediately initiated, having gotten the message: we handled the situation ourselves; we got our own ethics in; no external justice action is needed. "---------------------------------------------------------

that's right, the 'Independent outsider' who will be trusted to oversee the audits that savescientology (marty rathbun) calls for will be Marty Rathbun and the 'Independents'.

And, why?  To prevent investigation by *other* agencies, such as the FBI and IRS.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Independent Corporate Audits are conducted by properly licensed and certified accounting firms who specialize in this sort of thing. Their findings are public records which become evidence in civil lawsuits and criminal cases.

This outside audit, if it happens, will almost certainly provide necessary probable cause for the appropriate Federal agencies to take appropriate action.

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

As for 'going to jail' and 'outside criminal prosecution':

"In our articles we called for a general amnesty. General means everyone. No purges like the one that occurred with the disbanding of the GO. We would like to see the story and this era put behind us, let’s get out in front of the story, join forces and deliver our message broadly to the world. Furthermore, the purpose of an investigation is to sift through the charges and the evidence and render findings. We view the allegations of the whistleblowers to be just that, allegations. By the way, have you ever known anyone to be helped by going to prison? Do you think it helped that former members of the GO went to prison? We haven’t. But we have seen the tech work. Standard ethics, justice, qual, and tech. No arbitraries. No vendettas. No use of justice to get rid of rivals or get even. Let’s fix things and move forward, okay?"

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

According to the purported 'Scientology Insiders' behind savescientology dot com:

"Only a meaningful internal, independent investigation, including audits of each major Scientology entity (including the International Association of Scientologists) can enable the Church to get to the bottom of whistleblower all...egations. This must occur in order to “get in front of the story” and limit the exposure to IRS sanctions and potential loss of tax-exempt status." "Miscavige, the CST special directors, and Monique Yingling should spearhead the institution of remedial actions (but obviously not participate in the investigations due to their implications in the wrongdoing). Miscavige should step down pending the completion of the investigations in order to remove any question as to his possible influence on the process. If he is found innocent, he can be reinstalled."

VJDooley
VJDooley

Anyone who ever wondered whether horses asses outnumber horses need look no further than these clowns. Who is their message designed to reach? To those unfamiliar with the principles of scientology, their message is complete gibberish and non-sensical. Do they honestly believe that a raw meat wog, will embrace their religion after seeing and hearing this nonsense? Can they honestly expect loyal church members to view this without being either repulsed by this conduct or, at a minimum, curious as to Mr. Rathbun's message? It is quite clear that these deluded souls have no message other than hate and, unfortunately, way too much time on their hands. 

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