Ex-Scientology Executive Marty Rathbun Headed to Germany This Week -- Why This is Bad News for David Miscavige

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"I'm a professional."
Last night, I had a conversation with Marty Rathbun, who revealed that he's headed to Germany this week, and told me he'd have a series of videos on his blog today breaking that news in an interesting way -- with help from the Squirrel Busters.

Sure enough, these videos don't disappoint. After the jump, watch as Rathbun seems to get the Squirrel Busters off-balance by telling them he's going to Europe to clean up the mess David Miscavige made there. Also, for those unsure what we're talking about, we'll try to explain why the Siege in South Texas should have been national news by now, and how Rathbun's trip to Germany is upping the ante on this story in a big way...

As we've been reporting for months now, a bizarre and dramatic siege has been going on in a cul-de-sac in a small town near Corpus Christi, Texas.

That's where Marty Rathbun lives with his wife, Monique, and where they welcome other "independent Scientologists" who have left the official church. For decades, Rathbun was a high-ranking executive in official Scientology, which is led by a man named David Miscavige. As inspector general of the Religious Technology Center or RTC -- one of the many entities in Scientology's alphabet soup structure -- Rathbun may have been the second-most powerful man in the organization. But he defected in 2004, and two years ago began criticizing Miscavige at his blog, and encouraging other longtime Scientologists to leave the church and join an independence movement that adheres to founder L. Ron Hubbard's philosophies while staying away from, and criticizing, the church that Hubbard founded.

Scientology under Miscavige, meanwhile, is known for attacking its critics, and in this case, that has taken on the form of a months long battle in little Ingleside on the Bay, Texas. Since April, a goon squad sent to intimidate Rathbun has been planted outside his house, day in and day out, videotaping him from all angles -- even from a paddle boat in the canal behind his house. Calling themselves "Squirrel Busters," the intimidation crew claimed to be working on a documentary about Rathbun, but that cover story fell apart when a freelance videographer hired for the filming blew the whistle, telling a local newspaper reporter, Mark Collette of the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, that the film crew was being run by a man named "Dave Statter" who had told them their real mission: to make Rathbun's life "a living hell." Rathbun himself then confirmed with the videographer, Bert Leahy, that "Dave Statter" was actually Dave Lubow, a private investigator long in the employ of Scientology running its dirty tricks schemes under the church's Office of Special Affairs, its intelligence and covert operations wing.

For months, the crew sent by Scientology has been planted outside Rathbun's house, following him when he goes into town for meals, and also kept a tight tail on him during two trips to Los Angeles. Whenever Rathbun makes such trips, the Scientology crew seems to know the time and destination of his flights before he even leaves for the airport, and he has accused them of hacking into his private accounts or otherwise accessing his private travel information.

Then, a few days ago, the Squirrel Busters suddenly gave up. Last night Rathbun told me that after his most recent trip to Los Angeles, last week, he returned home to find that the Scientology goon squad had left its rental house and was no longer on his block. But before he could breathe a sigh of relief, suddenly they were back.

"The moving van's back in," he told me. When he asked them why they were back, he says they told him: "We were out of the here, but then we heard you were going to Germany, so we came back."

Once again, they had somehow found out about his travel plans. Since the Squirrel Busters had figured out that he was going overseas, Rathbun decided it was time to break the news.

Rathbun says that Ursula Caberta, a Hamburg politician, invited him to come speak in Germany two years ago, but he declined. Caberta had long been the commissioner of the Scientology Task Force of the Hamburg Interior Authority, which monitored Scientology in Germany from 1992 to 2010, and worked to raise awareness of its concerns with Scientology's controversies and reported abuses.

Other American ex-Scientologists have made highly publicized trips to meet with Caberta and speak to the German public. But for Rathbun, it was a tricky proposition: as long as criticism was aimed at both Hubbard and the church, he had little interest in helping that effort.

But over the last two years, he says, Caberta has read his blog and understands that he's criticizing the way Miscavige runs official Scientology while still honoring Hubbard's ideas about the mind.

"She understands where the real reform is coming from," he told me last night. And once he goes over there on Monday, and begins speaking on Wednesday, he thinks his message -- to focus on the abuses under Miscavige, not the philosophies of Hubbard -- will have a big impact, and progress in Germany to curb official Scientology will pick up speed.

"It's going to go like wildfire across Europe," Rathbun told me.

As you'll see in these videos, Rathbun delivers that message to Rich, the large guy who stars in the "breaking news" videos put out by the Squirrel Busters.

Having seen many of these videos over the last few months, I have to say that I've rarely seen Rich and the other Busters so off balance. As Marty tells them he's going to Europe to "clean up the mess David Miscavige has left there," keep an eye on Rich's face. I'm sure you'll let me know in the comments if you agree or disagree with me that there seems to be flicker of doubt washing across Rich's face...

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Well, Rathbun's trip certainly raises the ante on this coming week. We'd already heard from others that another delegation of critics was heading over there, and had been told there would be a surprise guest along for the ride. Rathbun meeting Caberta? Yes, that is a major surprise, and should make for a rollercoaster of a week. Check back here at Runnin' Scared often as we keep an eye on the fireworks.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


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The Larry Wollersheim Saga -- Scientology Finally Pays For Its Fraud
The Tory Bezazian (Christman) Story -- How the Internet Saved A Scientologist From Herself
The Jason Beghe Defection -- A Scientology Celebrity Goes Rogue
The Robert Cipriano Case -- A Hellacious Example of Fair Game
The Paul Haggis Ultimatum -- The 'Crash' Director Tells Scientology to Shove It
The Marc Headley Escape -- 'Tom Cruise Told Me to Talk to a Bottle'
The Aaron Saxton Accusation -- Australia turns up the heat on Scientology
The Jefferson Hawkins Stipulation -- Scientology's former PR genius comes clean
The Daniel Montalvo Double-Cross -- Scientology lures a young defector into a trap
A Church Myth Debunked -- Scientology and Proposition 8
Daniel Montalvo Strikes Back -- Scientology Hit with Stunning Child-Labor Lawsuits
When Scientologists Attack -- The Marty Rathbun Intimidation
A Scientologist Excommunicated -- The Michael Fairman SP Declaration
The Richard Leiby Operation -- Investigating a reporter's divorce to shut him up
The Hugh Urban Investigation -- An academic takes a harsh look at Scientology's past
Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh -- A precedent for a Scientology-Branch Davidian link
Janet Reitman's Inside Scientology -- A masterful telling of Scientology's history
The Western Spy Network Revealed? -- Marty Rathbun ups the ante on David Miscavige
Scientology's Enemies List -- Are You On It?
Inside Inside Scientology -- An interview with author Janet Reitman
Scientology and the Nation of Islam -- Holy Doctrinal Mashup, Batman!
Scientologists -- How Many of Them Are There, Anyway?
Roger Weller's Wild Ride -- Scientology When it was Hip
The Marc Headley Infiltration -- A Scientology Spying Operation Revealed
Placido Domingo Jr: Scientology's Retaliation is "Scary and Pathetic"
An Interview with Nancy Many, Former Scientology Spy
The Paulien Lombard Confession -- A Scientology Spy Comes Clean
The Deputy Benjamin Ring Hard Sell -- Scientology wants your 401K
The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology -- the whole series!
The Squirrel Busters Busted -- Unmasking the Scientology PI in Charge
Tommy Davis, Scientology spokesman, secretly recorded discussing 'disconnection'
Scientology internal document says its Office of Special Affairs will 'handle' the Village Voice


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Jesse Prince
Jesse Prince

Well I see Marty is headed over to Germany to clear up the bad misconceptions about dead L Ron and his killer teck.

I only wish it didn't hurt so bad laughing about this crap.

Jesse Prince

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Sing up today for SquirrelVision™ courses and Keep Confusion Working!

Wholigan
Wholigan

I really wish Marty would come here or open up his blog to critics. I really want to understand how he doesn't or can't see that the fraud and abuses policies are LRH's, DM is just following the teachings. The Sea Org, the high pressure regging, the fraud, the paranoia, the illegal activities, the authoritarian mindset was already in place.   It just drives me up a wall, when confronted with LRH's own words and "TECH" the FZ'ers just ignore or dismiss it as "Natter." It's the same crap Sci trolls use to communicate when talking about their faith. Misdirection, ambiguous and misleading words like "Freedom" and ability. Oh yeah, always attack, never defend. Make no mistake, I see that the COS's level of douchebaginitude (sic) is not the same with FZ. In fact, most seem harmless . . . Mostly harmless. But that's how LRH started, he sold people on the image he created, or in most cases, utterly fabricated...Then, the bait and switch.     Again, I'm not trolling the FZer's, many have done much to help bring down the Cult of Corporate Scientology, I applaud many of them on ESMB, but at some point, the tech is the tech. It invariably leads to the mess that is Scientology.     LRH started this cult, his soul bears the scars.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

MartyWorld *is* open to the public; at least to read, and that's not really something he can limit, even if he would want to, without also missing his 'PR Purpose'.   That he's pretty totalitarian about what he chooses to allow as commentary is a shame, but, a necessary shame; again, considering his PR Purposes.

And, even that isn't total blockage.  Marty and whoever is doing moderating at any one time has been known to allow even 'off message' comments, although, sometimes it's to allow for his own canned 'rebuttal' or orchestrated cat-calls from the peanut gallery. Why, he's even allowed my comments (sometimes) to appear, despite the fact that he's 'identified' me as a paid OSA Agent. :)

So, MartyWorld isn't really 'closed'; not in the usual manner of Scientology 'forums', where only the insiders are even allowed to read.  It was the the 'leaks' and inability to *control* who saw the happy talk that killed the 'Theta News Exchange' (TNX) mailing list back in the '90s.  Which was a real shame.

The *problem* I see is that people *don't* read MartyWorld. It's even a point of pride for some that they don't, yet those same people feel competent to form opinions of Marty Rathbun's 'goals' and 'purposes' without even reading his *own* words on the subject.

So, here's hoping that people like Caberta *have* been reading and know what they're getting.  It's really pretty straightforward; no tin-foil required, although there is an awful lot that's *not* said, deliberately obfuscated and deflected.

Speaking of which; it's interesting to compare two Rathbun 'messages'; one to his tame flock and the other to a well known 'merchant of chaos' :)--------------------------------------------------------------------------"Two years ago the German government invited me to come there and to testify about Scientology. I told them they might not like what I have to say since my view is that the work of L Ron Hubbard and the philosophy of Scientology should survive and thrive. Interest waned; and we carried on with our work here." - Marty Rathbun on MartyWorld

"Rathbun says that Ursula Caberta, a Hamburg politician, invited him to come speak in Germany two years ago, but he declined." - Marty Rathbun to Tony Ortega

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

You must be smoking the same kind of cannabis that Robin Scott is.  Your kind of people have always been duped and continue to be......

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

You know—The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads . . .

"THEM", that's who.

I'd say the dude's cannabinoid receptors have been jammed by Sci Tech. "Doc" Sportello recommends a "safety meeting" in the parking lot behind the Crab Shak.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Tsk, tsk, tsk . . .

" . . . Cannabinoids & Neurogenesis"Study turns pot wisdom on its head," pronounced the Globe and Mail in October. News wires throughout North America and the world touted similar headlines -- all of which were met with a monumental silence from federal officials and law enforcement. Why all the fuss? Researchers at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon found that the administration of synthetic cannabinoids in rats stimulated the proliferation of newborn neurons (nerve cells) in the hippocampus region of the brain and significantly reduced measures of anxiety and depression-like behavior. The results shocked researchers -- who noted that almost all other so-called "drugs of abuse," including alcohol and tobacco, decrease neurogenesis in adults -- and left the "pot kills brain cells" crowd with a platter of long-overdue egg on their faces. . . "

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Gro...

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Did you have some particular disagreement with my comments?  Or, do you just object to anything but 'acceptable truth' being revealed?

Wholigan
Wholigan

   What is it with you and "People on Pot"?   Who is duping whom? I'm not sure what angle you are coming from, but I'm guessing by your approach at communication, you are or were a scientologist.     "Your kind of people...." WTF?

Endscientology
Endscientology

For those of you brought here from Marty's blog, I am cross posting this very wise statement from another who went the route of the Independent:

Robin Scott

THE MADNESS OF MARTY

There is a very fine line between religious faith and religious mania. By definition, religious faith is not subject to proof; it is something we believe, not something we can prove as a matter of fact. For example, I believe in Reincarnation; but I cannot prove it to you as an objective fact. There is nothing wrong with this, as long as we remember that our religious faiths are beliefs, and not proven matters of fact.

The problem sets in when people cross the line between faith and fact, when they assert articles of faith as matters of proven fact. We see an element of this in all religions, whenever we see fundamentalists expounding that their religion is the one true religion, that effectively they have a monopoly on truth, and that everyone else is wrong. It is this mindset of absolute conviction of one’s own rightness that leads to all the excesses and abuses that result from organised religion. Unfortunately, this appears to be a mechanism that operates within all religious groups.

When religious people cross over that line from faith to fact, then their religious beliefs become something else: they become a form of madness, a confusion between fiction and fact, a distortion of reality. In the days when I was a fully paid-up Scientologist, I used to believe that everything in Scientology was the gospel truth, and that all other viewpoints were wrong and misguided. For me, at that time, Scientology was the only true religion, and its founder, Ron Hubbard, was in effect infallible, almost a living god. We see people with similar misguided notions in all major religions, especially in both Christianity and Islam at this time, with fundamentalists on both sides whipping up violent hatred against each other.

For my family and myself, weaning ourselves away from the absolute certainties of Scientology has been a long and complex process, still incomplete, over thirty years now. Initially, back in 1985, I began to doubt the validity of the OT levels, especially in view of the many tragic casualties among so many supposed OTs. When Adrienne and I were involved in the early independent Scientology movement in the 1980s, we still believed that a reformed Scientology organization would continue to benefit mankind in clearing the planet. Unfortunately for us, Scientology management under David Miscavige – supported by the likes of Marty Rathbun – used the resources which we had helped to accumulate to harass and litigate us out of existence. So the early Independent Scientology movement was effectively throttled by their criminal activities against us.

In recent years, Marty Rathbun himself has joined the independent field, and become a leading practitioner. But regretably his influence once again has been entirely negative, for the following reasons:

Marty accepts no criticism of LRH, his actions, ethics, policies and technology – thereby removing any chance to reform the body of LRH’s work, which has produced such catastrophic results, in particular the policy of Disconnection and the auditing procedures of the Scientology OT levels.

Marty fails to give any credit to the recent progress against the Church to Anonymous, who have been directly responsible for the significant gains made against Miscavige in the last few years. In taking this arrogant and conceited view, Rathbun has alienated large numbers of important allies in the battle against the Church management.

Marty rails against David Miscavige as being the only problem with the Church. Covertly, this sends out the message that Marty is the one true successor to LRH. But the irony of this situation is that both Miscavige and Rathbun suffer from the same disease: they both believe that Scientology is the one true religion. What they share is the madness of religious mania. They are lost off in the vanity and insanity of Scientology’s bogus claims to be the only route to spiritual salvation and eternal life. Theirs is not a true religion; theirs is a destructive and egocentric view of the world, which causes incredible damage and suffering to all who come into contact with it.

The tragedy of this situation is that there was indeed much of value in Scientology – sophisticated counselling techniques, ethics procedures, administrative skills, evaluation formats and much more. All of these might have had tremendous value in the wider world, if they had been implemented in a humane and balanced way. If Scientology had been successfully reformed back in the 1980s, or even more recently, it might have gone on to become a respected and benign contribution to human thought. Instead, it has become a laughing stock – on South Park and many other shows – a currency debased and devalued beyond recognition.

For thirty years now, Adrienne and I have cherished a fond dream that Scientology would rise from the ashes and become a force for good in the world. But finally, like a well-loved automobile, there comes a point where one has to accept that it is damaged beyond further repair. It’s a wreck, a write-off. For us that point has now come. We no longer consider ourselves to be anything other than Ex-Scientologists. We no longer suffer from the delusion that Scientology is here to save the world!

And the man who is responsible for destroying the good in Scientology: Marty Rathbun. Even more than David Miscavige and even Ron Hubbard himself, Rathbun has effectively given the kiss of death to the subjects of Dianetics and Scientology, first by his criminal harassment of the independent Scientologists over the last thirty years, and now by his self-promoting antics as a so-called independent himself.

What do Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun have in common? In the first place, they are all bullshitters and bullies, suffering from religious mania, narcissism, alcoholism, nicotine addiction, schizophrenic paranoia and dysfunctional dynamics. Beyond that, they are all people who believe that physical assaults, psychological abuse and financial crimes are justified in feeding their own ego-based ambitions. Like the Church of Scientology, no doubt Marty Rathbun and his coterie of groupies will struggle on a little longer; but they are all dead men walking, lost off in their own insanity and delusional vanity.

Luckily for us, with the loyal support of our family and friends, we look forward to a joyous and prosperous future, no longer shackled to the madness of religious bigots, cowards and traitors.

Robin & Adrienne Scott4 Sept 2011

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

Keep on smoking your daily pot Robin Scott, this will definitely help you "flourish and prosper" alright.

Wholigan
Wholigan

  Smoking pot> trying to audit away space alien parasites...Just saying.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

The scientific evidence is that cannabis is a functional anti-depressant, along with a shitload of other medically useful attributes.

The scientific evidence—as displayed by the ruinous lack of intelligence of those defending Scientology—is that Scientology causes brain damage.

The list of contraindications for Scientology greatly exceeds the list of contraindications for cannabis. Scientology should be listed as a schedule one Cult—Dangerous, Expensive, Addictive and of no Medical or Spiritual value.

Our bodies have canaibinoid receptors.

http://www.drugscience.org/Pet...

Our bodies do not have body thetans.

Smoking crack is safer and cheaper than taking a "Free Personality Test."

scilonschools
scilonschools

Marty' s  ability to raise the profile of the abuses of the ' Church' of Scientology in Europe is beyond doubt, The 'Church' has hidden below the Radar in most of Europe for far too long, any publicity and turmoil that can be raised on such abuses is fantastic.Coming in the week that the complicancy of the UK government (MI5 & MI6 uk secret services) have had with abuse of human rights with tyhe Gadaffi regime in Libya, shows how governments will turn a blind eye to totalitarian regimes if they feel there is something in it for themselves (not their people or world justice/human rights)

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

Thank you, Marty and Monique for your willingness to communicate what is true to you with the German Government and EU officials.   I have a lot of respect for you Marty.  You have exposed more within the last 2 years than anyone I have ever known leaving the church.  You took responsibility for your errors and you are doing everything you possibly can in your power to make those wrongs, right.Thank you!

Wholigan
Wholigan

   Has he? I mean, really has he? He claims he knows where the "bodies are buried." After what 4 years....Not much. There's been a whole lot of back and fourth with DM, but it just smells like the same side show huckster crap many people got from LRH. The whole Squirrel Busters crap, smells...I don't know...Lulzy, but anti-climatic.    If he were the threat he claims to be, why don't they pull a Paulette Cooper on him. Ahem...."They" have done this sort of thing before. Look, I'm glad they are not doing that stuff to him. No one deserves what happened to her and MANY OTHER critics. Marty should know that, first handy. I watch his videos, I leave positive comments for him. I kind of pull for the guy. Just can't square it all.          What I'm left with is, he's doesn't seem  eager to talk to authorities, to really make amends with the people he helped hurt. Why? I'm left to only speculate. Is it because the Tech is more important than human lives...Again? That maybe the problem.  

Endscientology
Endscientology

Marty likes to use big boy words so he appears wise and learned.  Flunk.  It's a guise and he's retarded.

One can usually tell an uneducated Scientologist by mind-boggling bad spelling, horrid grammar and sentence structure, and misusing complex words to appear intelligent.  

Zander
Zander

Marty is starting to see enemies everywhere. I guess that's the fate of every savior of L. Ron Hubbard's and Scientology's "image."

 

Theoracle
Theoracle

I think I would rather see enemies everywhere than sit behind my monitor and degrade people as a hobby.  At least I would only be suppressing myself with the first condition.

Zander
Zander

You do see enemies everywhere. And everywhere you go, you are eventually banned.

As with your mutual guru, Hubbard, you and Marty are on the same path to mental illness

David Miscavige, already nuts, will likely be sharing a rubber room with you two - and with Hubbard's ghost..

Nozeno49
Nozeno49

Anyone who believes scientology only became fucked up when Miscavige started tinkering around is either deluded, was never involved in the early days or has some agenda to "make it so." Nothing has changed except Davey boy made it crazier by a factor of 10.

What I believe people should be concerned about is Marty having some success in duping the marks once again. I think all we will see out of this trip is some frequent flyer miles and more bloaviating YouTube videos than I can stomach. 

All bark no bite.   Woof woof.

scientology, as fucked up as it ever was.

Scientia
Scientia

Meh. So be it. At least you are open to the possibility that a part of Scientology does indeed "work". I want to utilise that. It's an adventure. The day it stops being of any use is the day I move on. :)

Kim
Kim

 Scientia,

You are smart enough to see $cientology as a fraud.  That means you are smart enough to pick what parts of it meant something to you, and hopefully with your intelligence, make the cognition that it wasn't the fraudster's (Hubbard) idea in the first place.  Transform that into your own system of beliefs.  You seem like an honest person, call it "Scientia-ology."  You might even get some followers, by being sincere and everything that Hubbard wasn't.

Scientia
Scientia

Kim, I am more interested in the methodologies devised from those ideas, not the history behind them. Study philosophy, psychology or any of the sciences, and you will see how men and women throughout history have built upon the ideas of those before them. Why some find this so shocking is beyond me. 

Hubbard was a total penis at times, absolutely. Get over it, though. He joins the ranks of numerous others (Newton, Edison, etc) who were total assholes, but whose works were still considered to be of value. Crowley may have been a gibbering, drug-addicted sex pest to some, but parts of his work are undoubtedly considered useful within the fields of paganism, mysticism and the occult. The same could be said for Freud and psychiatry. "He was a fraud!", "He was a liar!" can be just as "thought-stopping" as "It's entheta!", "He's an SP!" if it prevents an honest, objective approach to auditing, or the wider subject. 

For what I am looking for right now, I know of no other therapeutic/personal enhancement system that has been as effective. That's the bottom line. That's not to say it will always be the case. Who knows where my journey will take me? It's all good fun though. I love getting merry with my friends (I'm a sucker for Pimms and a pub garden). I'm passionate about travelling; I love reading, and learning about life, the world and the people in it. It's all good. Life is short (this one at least) but if there is something I can use to help me bring some order to it, that helps me apply myself more, be more confident, competent, and maybe help make some sense of the world for the time I am here, who really cares about war records and alien holocausts.

Scientia
Scientia

Thanks, I will look for it. :)

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Even though I'm directing all my will towards becoming Entheta Central towards Scientology, allow me to suggest Thomas Pynchon's "Against the Day" to you. Crowley and the O.T.O. appear within, fictionalized into Nicholas Nookshaft and the T.W.I.T.S.—True Worshippers of the Ineffable Tetractys—along with Blavatsky and the rest of all them theosophists and them other unscheduled religions. It's a real hoot, one you'd appreciate.

Gilian
Gilian

I'm a big fan of W.B.Yeats, and he didn't like Crowley (and vice versa).  I've always though Crowley's small influence will fade, like Hubbard's will, eventually. 

Scientia
Scientia

I have read the Bhagavad Gita and many other works on my quest, from more "acceptable" texts such the Tao Te Ching to those considered less so such as the Satanic Bible as well as works on magick and the occult. I have dabbled in and tested various subjects (some more workable for me than others) all of which have no doubt helped me "grow" as a being in some capacity. And yes, there are some truths to be found in even the most dark or "questionable" texts. Just because something is 2000 years old doesn't necessarily mean it has a higher value next to something of this or the last century. Horses for courses, isn't it. There are many paths up the Mountain, according to an ancient Japanese saying, but the view from the top is the same. Who cares what people subscribe to or believe in? We're all trying to learn more and make sense of the world whilst we're here. An it harm none, do what thou wilt.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

I'm keen on the Tao and find exploration of religions fascinating in general. As Crowley, his writings and his world view have already been around for over a hundred years, I think Uncle Al has already established a foothold on the consciousness of anyone interested in Magickal paths. As Hubbard recklessly stole from other systems and bases his system on a series of frauds, I predict Scientology will have less historical traction than the O.T.O. and its offshoots.

Gilian
Gilian

In 100 years, nobody will know who Hubbard or Crowley were. 

Why don't you read something like the Bhagavad Gita, that has survived more than 2000 years, and is universally respected, rather than drivel most people see as a complete joke?

danlocke
danlocke

That was very good and VERY funny. Thanks. I was laughing the whole time and wondering how best to comment on it. You did very well. 

MarkStark
MarkStark

I groaned inside when he said "contemporaneously," and meant to say extemporaneously. That is so Marty! I pictured some German translator thinking WTF, if he said something like that in a talk that was being translated. When using a word over four syllables that he's not sure of, he should just say "Xenu" (or Xemu or Shamu) instead.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Tony—are  these videos part of some kind of Coen Brothers project? Reminds me a lot of the Dude/Sobchak dialogs.

Gallusgill
Gallusgill

what age are these people ? also i am confused at who is doing the harrassing marty seems to be the one getting the biggest buzz out of it, no one comes out off this looking anything less than infantile.

danlocke
danlocke

Exactly. These guys all have six-shooters in each hand and they solely point them at their own feet. 

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

It's like Daffy Duck [Marty] v. Marvin the Martian's Minions [Squirrelbusters, with DM as Marvin hisself].

Guest
Guest

Marty was realy scared last few days....and then,when he sow them again(SBs)- he run out on street and make this stupid video (cause ,without SBs-he is no one-he will be just ugly memory)....if one just try to listen....he also is not answering questions....About his "moving away from cult"-so why did people ever follow Dr. Mengele,when he left Nazis and go to different countries...it is same logic-cause he DID crimes BEFORE! and he did know about OTHER crimes!And Tony-I am sure that you know,that cult is handling you-but must also know that Marty will do that ,also,when this media rush finish.....Marty even send here M. Hobson,time to time,to put OSA sign on people...it is just start...it is sign for his cultist-to not read here!!!That 90% here is OSA! M.H. may get discount price for that. And he will tell you that Marty don't ask him to do that,that he is doing that because of truth and for what he stands for........another just LIKE SBs are telling to Marty. Soon... they will try to handle your opinion on LRHs life,and truth about him.... it is just the way it always go....in my country we say: same shit-different (or new) package.....P.S. Please, all of you here - don't  think on one second, that Ursula (after 20 years of fair game) don't know what she is doing.Our history ,here,in Europe is very LONG.big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

I've never even met Mark Rathbun, kooko.

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Theoracle
Theoracle

What a hoax!   Bulgravia?  The trolls are getting very creative.

Guest
Guest

Dear Theoracle, first I must tell you that I am sorry that you are banned on so much sites,then I must tell you that I am sorry for you. Only thing that makes you happy is seat by your "best friend or lover" which is keyboard,and try to be smart.... and it is non-stop fail,or flunk....My advice is: start to think what will you do next year,when your NEW leader become same as one before. Problem is not in "bad" leaders,problem is $cientology. It is just cult-LRH make it like that. And that IS true.Maybe you can google and find out what is LRHs Bulgravia....or even better,maybe you already know....So,once again you can TRY to be smart with your lover,but my advice is......leave it ,you just make people laugh,and you are just confirming what we all KNOW about $cientology (one cult or another),and that is : BRAINWASH CULT-DON'T WORK.P.S. say hello to Marty, and ask him where is that video of SBs attack on him with car. He  and M.F. were telling us that camera was in hand.....tnx.Big hello from Croatia,that is part of LRHs Bulgravia.

Patty Moher
Patty Moher

Tony, I saw that flicker of doubt on Rich's face as well.  And then I saw Rich's Scientology filtering system push that doubt to the side.  Scientology's indoctrination is insidious and has built in filters -- thought stoppers -- for critical information about the cult.  Amazing to watch it in action. 

Marty is effective at getting through to Scientologists because he speaks the language and is a fundamentalist at heart. 

To everyone else in the real world, he just another crazy jamoke.

I have been extremely critical of Marty, but I have to give him and his wife a "hip hip hooray" for causing that flicker of doubt in Rich and knocking Nurse Ratchett's TR's out.  Mosey definitely caused a reaction in that woman. 

As far as Marty going to Germany and "handling" them --- LOL!  Too funny!

Zander
Zander

I saw the flicker too. Anyone can create a similar flicker with a Scientologist simply by saying, "LRH" [insert praise of "LRH," or how concerned one is about what people think of LRH] the great [insert praise of "LRH"].

The question is, is Marty lying to this guy or does Marty really believe that he, Marty, is  the new savior of Scientology?

Judging by the rest of the article, Marty is telling the truth: He really is a ultra-loyal Hubbardite.

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

Marty is a true believer in the tech.  He believes he's a "big being" and he's going to take full responsibility for his crimes by taking DM out and bringing the world the REAL Tech of Scientology minus the "bad stuff". 

He's doing his amends right now and part of that is to lead Scn into a New, New, New Golden Age of New Tech. 

He's completely delusional if he thinks he can go to Germany and handle Europe in 3 days or even 3 trillion years.

Ursula Caberta is a very smart lady.  She'll see right through his antics and won't be bullied by him.

David Anson
David Anson

If Scientology weren't abusing and killing people I would not give it two seconds of my energy. As it is I give it about fifty hours a week and have for several years.

With all due respect to the exes here, I am beginning to find the attacks on Marty tiresome. Worse, I think it is a waste of energy that would better be put to cultivating the media and engaging in the hard work of educating leaders in each and every sector of society to refuse legitimizing and cooperating with the Church of Scientology.

Over and over exes are repeating the same things about Marty as if they are establishing the causes of action for a lawsuit against him. 

The desire for justice by those directly damaged by him is understandable.  It does very little to hasten the demise of the Church of Scientology. By now everyone is quite aware of Marty's Sea Org crimes. What good is it beating that dead horse? Do you propose that we now beat that horse even more so that the whole of the US knows what a miscreant he is? How does that help to bring down David Miscavige?

I look at Marty as a useful defector from a totalitarian regime. Like most high-ranking defectors he is complicit in the crimes of the dictator David Miscavige. This is not news.

Tony Ortega, Mark Bunker, and undoubtedly Ursula Caberta have wisely decided to view him as just that sort of high-ranking defector.  They are not banging away at his crimes. They are exploiting him first as a source of information and insight, and second as the leader of a second front on David Miscavige.

People are free to waste their energy as they see fit. I want to suggest it is now time to let Marty go hang himself and get back to the task of dismantling the regime of David Miscavige. That will take action and not just talk. 

Guest
Guest

The problem is Hubbard's system in the first place. That's why scientologists do what they do. Whether it's Marty, Miscavige or who ever obeying doesn't matter. However they argue about it doesn't matter actually. But it's good that there's at least some questionning and a discussion.

Endscientology
Endscientology

What planet do you live on where legal culpability doesn't exist?  You are asking us to look the other way when crimes have been committed and he refuses to admit responsibility and refuses to acknowledge his victims?

Rathbun refuses to talk to the FBI.  Doesn't that strike you as the only moral method he can take to bring down Miscavige?  

Hunter S. Dogs
Hunter S. Dogs

I am not wasting my time.

To draw an analogy, it is more like watching Gaddafi go down while being suspicious of the mod leaders who are about to achieve power.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

This blog is re-contextualizing David Miscavige as a Criminal, a Slavemaster, and a Tyrant. The more Miscavige pushes back, the more exposed he becomes. Scientology is now at the state of disorganization such that it is now eating at itself.

Clowntime is over.

Pam Ellis
Pam Ellis

"The desire for justice by those directly damaged by him is understandable.  It does very little to hasten the demise of the Church of Scientology."

Part of the issue is Marty COULD present evidence to help bring down scientology faster.But he does not reveal it.  Either it would hurt him or would hurt Hubbard.  Marty needs both him and Hubbard to not be washed away with Miscavige if he is to "save*" scientology.*  Save scientology means now being the one to make money off the suckers who still revere Hubbard.

Scientia
Scientia

I do not revere Hubbard. I simply want the freedom to study his works and receive auditing as and when I choose. If that makes me a "sucker" in your eyes, so be it.

robert
robert

Scientia, you have the right to believe and study what you want.  I don't know if you know this, but Anonymous actually sent a press release out to Russia to object to the countries making the material illegal.  Because it is all about protecting free speech and your right.  

It doesn't mean that people may not critically examine the aspects of that belief. I might  question it or believe that there may be aspects of practicing medicine without a license.  But if  as long as no one is harming anyone else, I am right there in supporting your right.

Garry90069
Garry90069

You accept that Marty is complicit in crimes, but keeping those crimes & Marty's actions front & center in people's minds, when Marty refuses to be accountable for them, is "beating a dead horse"?  Boy, tell that to Holocaust victims who continue to hunt for & demand prosecution of perpetrators that have evaded justice for 66 years. Because it gets tiresome to hear, we should just throw in the towel and pretend like the crimes never took place.

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