The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology, No. 3: Marty Rathbun

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On August 5, we started a countdown that will give credit -- or blame -- to the people who have contributed most to the sad current state of Scientology. From its greatest expansion in the 1980s, the church is a shell of what it once was and is mired in countless controversies around the world. Some of that was self-inflicted, and some of it has come from outside. Join us now as we continue on our investigation of those people most responsible...



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology

#3: Marty Rathbun


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There may be no greater outside threat to the continued existence of the Church of Scientology than a lone man who lives near Corpus Christi and who operates a blog he updates about once a day.

Mark "Marty" Rathbun is 54 years old and lives with his wife Monique in Ingleside on the Bay, Texas. Since April, Rathbun and his wife have been undergoing a daily siege by an intimidation squad sent to film them from just outside their house. It has been established now without any real doubt that this squad has been sent and is being directed by the Church of Scientology. Members of the squad have been flown in from around the country. They are being housed, equipped, fed, and if one whistleblowing videographer's testimony can be believed, paid well. The sheer cost of such an operation -- which includes the use of private investigators and local law firms -- has to be fairly staggering.

I don't really doubt Mike Rinder -- who until he defected in 2007 was the Church of Scientology's top spokesman and ran the office that would oversee such an operation -- when he says that the "Squirrel Busters" siege is proof that church leader David Miscavige fears nothing like he fears Rathbun and his blog.

And that's the one and only reason Rathbun is so high in this countdown.

Until now, we've listed in this countdown a lot of fascinating people who are dedicated to the fight to educate the public about the Church of Scientology -- academics, attorneys, journalists, ex-Scientologists, mask-wearing protesters, obsessive Internet researchers, and government officials. Every one of them has contributed to the current rotten state of affairs for Scientology, which is that it's getting increasingly more difficult for the church to find and recruit gullible young people when most of the general public has at least heard something about Scientology's odd beliefs and well-documented abuses.

But as we've learned again and again from former church members, the people who remain in the organization (even as it dwindles in size) are living in a kind of bubble, told to shut out criticism, told to mistrust the media, told even to ignore friends and family who raise questions about church leader David Miscavige.

If Miscavige is in a panic, the reason may be Rathbun's ability to reach deep inside that bubble with his writings in a way that most of us outside the church can't really hope to.

I have to give credit to Jason Beghe for helping me understand this. In 2009, when Rathbun began blogging, years after he'd left the organization in 2004, it seemed odd that, unlike other defectors, he proclaimed that he still believed in the philosophies of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. But Beghe explained to me that Rathbun wasn't writing for us journalists or other ex-Scientologists or for the legions at Anonymous -- Rathbun was targeting his longtime friends still in the church. And he had many friends.

Before he defected and then vanished, Rathbun had been the second-highest-ranking executive in Scientology. He has said that he worked directly with and only answered to church leader Miscavige. As the "Inspector General of Ethics" at the "Religious Technology Center" Rathbun was Scientology's fixer, the guy Miscavige trusted to take care of problems for the church. It was Rathbun, for example, who hired Eugene Ingram, a disgraced former cop and perhaps Scientology's most legendary thug. Rathbun also admitted to the St. Petersburg Times that he destroyed documents pertinent to the investigation into the death of Lisa McPherson. Rathbun is fully aware of the irony that today he is being victimized by the kind of intimidation and harassment that for years he dished out to the church's perceived enemies.

But Rathbun wasn't only Miscavige's enforcer. He was also one of the most respected auditors in an organization built around the belief that Hubbard's talking cure and odd e-meter device could bring some kind of spiritual salvation. Beghe told me about auditing with Rathbun, and how when he was entering or leaving the room where Rathbun counseled him, he'd often run into Rathbun's other celebrity client, Tom Cruise. It was only Rathbun, Beghe told me, who Miscavige trusted to bring Cruise back into the fold after the actor had spent nearly a decade out of the church.

Beghe himself was struggling with frustrations that were common among high-paying, longtime Scientologists, even if they were discouraged from airing their grievances. Miscavige had announced that there were errors and problems in the Hubbard materials that everyone in the church had been using for decades. After making corrections, he asked members to retrain on exorbitantly expensive materials, to redo levels that they'd spent years on. As Beghe puts it, he couldn't believe he was being asked to spend tens of thousands of dollars for supposed mistakes that the church itself had made. Beghe poured out those concerns to his auditor, Rathbun.

Today, Rathbun is making an appeal to the people who remain in the church, but who may be too afraid to tell anyone else their own frustrations and doubts. After all, people -- even terrified Scientologists -- do talk. And through such gossip they hear that Rathbun has a blog where he discusses Miscavige's changes to the tech. Fearful Scientologists who might not dare read the St. Petersburg Times or look at "Operation Clambake" or the Anonymous website WhyWeProtest find their way to Rathbun's blog. And there, they find a fellow Scientologist who understands their frustrations and beckons them to leave the church for a loose, independent movement of Hubbard adherents. We regularly see such church veterans declare their independence on Rathbun's blog in jargon-filled recitations of greivances about Miscavige and the official church.

For those who fear that Rathbun, by recruiting such defectors, is just creating some kind of mirror church, the truth is more prosaic. Even Rathbun admits that those coming out and auditing with him are not doing it to rocket up "the bridge" to Hubbard's legendary superhuman states, but simply to deal with the pain they are going through because of their disillusionment with the church.

"He's trying to give people a stepping stone out of the church. It's really hard to give up everything you were indoctrinated your entire life to believe," says Amy Scobee. "That was the missing link, I think, for people to leave."

Some time ago, I began thinking of Rathbun's blog and his independence movement as a kind of halfway house. Longtime Scientologists, some of whom were accustomed to paying thousands of dollars every month, have been leaving the church to spend time either at Rathbun's blog or visiting him in Ingleside on the Bay. They might get some counseling and give Rathbun a donation. (Michael Fairman said recently that after several days fishing and auditing with the Rathbuns, he donated $1,000, far less than what he was spending for similar treatment in the church.) And after such counseling to deal with the pain of leaving the church, they then move on, some going entirely out of Scientology altogether, as they get accustomed to living without the regimented structure, the constant "regging" (asking for money), and threats of disconnection and fair game (shunning and retaliation).

"People listen to me because I'm not attacking Hubbard, I'm not attacking the technology," Rathbun told me last week. "I have never tried to convince anybody to come see me. I've never tried to convince or sell somebody on continuing to try Scientology."

Amy Scobee tells me the same thing: "He doesn't try to push Scientology on us. We're not Scientologists at all."

It's the opposite of Miscavige's hard-sell approach. And it seems to be working. His recent arrest, he says, shocked many high-level, longtime Scientologists, and is only going to help him bring them out of the official church. And if they come to him, he says, he doesn't care if they want to continue to audit or not.

"I'm not dogmatic. I contend that the technology, applied rationally and sanely, can help you in your life. But really, it's all about freedom. Tony, I've had three referrals from psychoanalysts," he says, explaining that three former church members were recommended to him by therapists who wanted him to help their patients deal with the difficulties of leaving the church. Each of them, he says, he has only seen once, and he doesn't anticipate seeing them again.

It's certainly been a remarkable two years since Rathbun (with the surprising help of church critic Mark Bunker) started his blog.

"We thought Marty was dead. There was a lot of talk about it online," Amy Scobee told me recently. She says there was even a supposed death certificate being talked about since Rathbun had left the church in 2004 and had vanished. Then, in 2008, her husband Mat Pesch noticed that a MySpace page he hardly ever looked at had a message from someone who said he was an old friend who needed to remain nameless.

"That's either Marty or someone pretending to be Marty," he told her. Pesch and Rathbun had known each other since the late 1970s, when they joined the Sea Org. He had been the best man at their wedding.

"We asked him questions only Marty would know," Scobee says. When he answered them correctly, they were thrilled to learn that he was, in fact, alive. They went to see him for a five-day visit.

"We didn't know if he wanted to talk about Scientology," she says, admitting that they were somewhat apprehensive at first. "We practically didn't sleep. We talked and talked. I asked so many questions that I could finally get answers to. The things only he knew," she says.

"We just had a blast. We were fishing and talking for hours and hours. We told him about our stories of disconnection. That it was so devastating," she adds. "That had a huge impact on him. He was writing to us often after we went back home, that maybe he could do something about it, maybe force Miscavige to let our family get back together."

She declined that invitation. She was finished with Scientology, and the last thing she wanted was to be back in its "good graces" so it would lift its disconnection order.

After Scobee and Pesch visited, Jason Beghe went to Texas to spend time with Rathbun. And that's when, Rathbun has told me, he started to think beyond just helping a few people with their lingering problems with the church. In his words, he started "to think big." A few months later, he started blogging.

I asked Scobee if she agrees with Mike Rinder that David Miscavige fears nothing like he fears Rathbun and his blog.

"I think that is what David Miscavige thinks," she answered.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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jlcw76
jlcw76

what about Jenna misc.?

Mistral303c
Mistral303c

The sad fact is that these people ( Scientologists) are no different than the people atJonestown., and 'DM' is NO different than Jim Jones...just shorter ( I have PLANTS that aretaller)!., and more expensively dressed. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that ifthese poor suckers were ordered to kill themselves by DM, everyone from T. Cruise on downwould do so...no questions asked!

Awake
Awake

Make your voice count and sign this petition to investigate scientology's fraud & abuses http://wh.gov/4Os

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

I read that Katie Holmes may have come to her senses. She might be through with the cult. If so, that would be great news, and a very widely reported event. Let's Hope!

FerrisK
FerrisK

Mary Rathbun is complaining on his blog about Tony Ortega, Marty wrote:

"One thing that Tony and I apparently don’t see eye to eye on is what our impact is on the future of Scientology"

Many critics could careless about Scientology, and sees it a "cult" and they wish all of this would just simply disappear, including Independent scientologists. Marty has a long list coming including Caberta pretty soon.

Marty's shotgun approach will bite him back.

Aida Thomas
Aida Thomas

Marty definitely deserves a top place in the Tony Ortega Show, after all he has been working very hard for the last 25 years to bring Scientology and the scientologists down, however, he is now doing it from a different angle, same game...same difference, Marty is a very destructive evil persons along with his Compadre in crime David Miscavige...

Marcotai
Marcotai

“INSANITY IS THE OVERT OR COVERT BUT ALWAYS COMPLEX AND CONTINUOUS DETERMINATION TO HARM OR DESTROY.”

Possibly the only frightening thing about it is the cleverness with which it can be hidden.Whereas a sane person can become angry or upset and a bit destructive for short periods, he or she recovers.  The insane mask it, are misemotional continuously and do not recover. (Except by modern processing).So how is Marty clever?He continually misdirects people’s attention away from those things that show his true nature – those things that allow people to see that he is in fact a squirrel and an SP and that his actual intention is to harm and destroy.That is why we get him blogging irrelevant data about Anonymous; using any excuse possible to attack celebrities; attacking COB for everything that goes wrong in Marty’s little world; trying to embroil his local community in his insanities; pretending he is a Martyr and so on.   He creates these conflicts, debates, and wars as a means of misdirecting attention, and keeping his followers “tilting at windmills”.

Marty Rathbun is a squirrel at heart.  That is his essence, and that is what he does not want people to know.  That is his big, continuous missed withhold. That is what he is trying to hide.  That is what he cannot escape from.  That is what he does not want people inspecting. That is why he misdirects attention onto things that have nothing to do with anything, and why he keeps on dousing his blog with wrong targets and added inapplicable data.In the Data Series LRH says, “Often added data is put there to cover up neglect of duty or mask a real situation.  It certainly means the person is obscuring something.”We well know that Marty’s utterances about Church officials are a load of exaggerated lies designed to inflame and disaffect people. It’s a smoke screen that Marty throws up to hide behind.  To prove the point, assume for a minute that everything negative he says about them is in fact true.  Just for a minute, and just as a drill, pretend that it is all true.Even then, how does Marty explain running NOTS on lower level pcs?  Doing OT 4 using OT 5 techniques? Physically assaulting pcs is session?  Auditing people for 30 sessions in a row and never letting a C/S see the folders? Delivering “Clear” to people with no folder study?  Delivering OT levels to people who aren’t set up? Refusing to pull withholds? The list of his squirrel auditing goes on and on.

As an administrator how does Marty explain the physical assaults on over 40 staff members?  The squirrel ethics interviews?  The injustices of illegally taking people off post?  The off-policy org boards he implemented?  The posts he destroyed? The musical chairs?

You see, Marty cannot escape from the fact that he is a squirrel through and through.  He knows he is a squirrel and he knows that if his public got to actually understand that clearly he would lose any semblance of believability he has with them.It’s not that he has been out tech once or twice, but that he has been squirreling the tech continually since his RPF in 1993 (when he first studied it) to the present day.  Marty has thoroughly proven that he CANNOT apply standard tech to people.It is the same with other Scientology technology.  Whether it be Ethics, Tech or Admin, Marty could not apply ANY Scientology without squirreling.When Marty audits pcs in Casablanca he squirrels on his pcs.  I’m not talking about just the obvious out tech, like no pc folders, no C/S, no folder study, no correction lists, no examiner and the other obvious out-tech.It’s not even the fact that in session he cannot read a meter and calls F/Ns and reads based on how he feels as opposed to what it actually going on with the pc.  It’s not that he can’t keep a pc clean of ARCXs, PTPs and withholds, because he runs motivators and natter and won’t pull withholds.It’s not just the fact that Marty feeds cognitions to his pcs, and evaluates for them in session.  It is not just the fact that if a pc should be doing their objectives, Marty will run them on OT levels.  It not just the fact that he uses an inoperative meter.

The fact is Marty’s squirreling includes and exceeds all of that.  Marty compulsively alters Scientology process and runs things of his own invention. If a process says to do A then B then C, Marty can be counted upon to do B then X and then an invented step G.

Marty CANNOT run a single process to its full and proper EP without in some way altering the process or violating the auditor’s code.  He is a genuine squirrel.A huge indicator of how squirrel he is, is the fact that his closest allies will not be audited by Marty. Mike Rinder will not go in session with him.  Sam knows better than to be audited by him – right after the last time he had her on a meter she reverted to drugs.Why has Mosey not gone any further since the bizarre announcement a year or so ago that she had done her Grade 4 and gone Clear? Matt and Amy won’t go near him if he is holding a meter. Jason Beghe would rather smoke dope than try having a cognition at Marty’s hands. Steve Hall and Haydn James got some auditing from him and won’t go near him again.  Why?They know why.  We know why.  Marty knows why.It is because he is a squirrel and he is dangerous.

This is a fact and not an opinion.  Marty is not a squirrel because I say he is a squirrel. Marty is a squirrel because he alters and misapplies the tech EVERY TIME he takes anyone in session.Marty’s business plan is to fund his longer term strategy of extorting money from the Church by auditing dupes who have fallen for his lies. But even those dupes don’t want to end up like Jason Beghe or worse.Now you know why Marty creates all manner of turmoil and noise, and tries to embroil everyone in conflicts.  Don’t be fooled.

Look closely at the man and his products and ask why he alters the tech and why he squirrels.  And if you are ever with him, test him.  Ask him what LRH would say about auditing an objectives pc on NOTS, or any other squirrel things you have seen him do (what would LRH say about FNs?  What would he say about not using a CS? Etc)  Be alert for glib answers and you will discover for yourself the full truth about Marty Rathbun and his actual intentions – to harm and to destroy.

Is this battletoads?
Is this battletoads?

Whether your pro or anti Marty seems to be beside the point.1.Marty is a drain on Co$ time,resources and man power.2.Marty is getting a taste of his own medicine(squirrel busters).3.Said squirrel busters are making Co$ look like idiots.

Lamoore0888
Lamoore0888

Marty is scaring us. We being the grandchildren of the 12 banksters that were running the whole world back when Ron Hubbard was still a young man.

We mean it. Marty is frightening. We've had DM in our pocket for the last, say, 26 years (or so) and things have been going smoothly, as planned. Now Marty comes along and breaks his (earlier-similiar) agreement with us (about flowing power to Source). And all hell breaks loose.

Murdoch himself is pissed. And while Bush jr. is somewhat ambivalent, Bush Sr. is livid. Clinton is basically chuckling whilst the Rockerfellers are not amused, whatsoever.

Life just isn't fair.

FerrisK
FerrisK

RING RING,

Marty President is calling you........ he has called you 5 times, he is begging to speak to you about the petition.

anon85467
anon85467

Rathbun was involved in a long list of crimes, such as burglarizing houses, breaking into cars, wiretapping phones, destroying documents, intimidating witnesses, assault, false imprisonment, and filing fraudulent charges with police. It's no surprise that Rathbun and Miscavige got along so well for so many years, as they're both basically thugs at heart.

Although Rathbun has admitted to a couple instances of criminal conduct in his 2009 interview with the SP Times, this is only the tip of the iceberg, as his position as Miscavige's top henchman had him breaking the law as a routine matter. Maybe he is just waiting for a lucrative book deal before he spills the beans, but regardless, it's sad that he presents himself as a "reformed" Scientologist while brushing under the rug all his many crimes - crimes which he should have little fear of being prosecuted for since the statute of limitations has long since expired.

So will Rathbun ever come clean? Don't hold your breath!

Torychristman
Torychristman

:sigh: It gets tricky when you get closer on the list, I'm sure. Soooo many people, as you've shown, have done SO much to help expose Scientology's abuses, for so many years. And many people who have spent years doing so, aren't on this list. They still count, in a major way, as most know.

However, if we look at *now*...many people "in" are reading Marty's Blog, waking up, leaving and quickly putting their names out there as people who have left C of $. Pre Anonymous, for the 7 years I was out, it took forever to get one person to agree to publicly say their name. Yes, it IS a stepping stone..and that is a huge help, for many. If you're still "in" and reading this, Please use L Ron Hubbard's Final Policy: "The Way OUT *is* The Nearest DOOR!" ((Hey~ He took it, why not you?) Congratulations, Marty and may you keep going deeper and deeper in what you know, continuing to exposing such things, and helping more and more transition out!

Davey? Tick Tock, Tick Tock: Time IS on *our* side, now and forever!~~~!! Tory/Magoo~~Your local, friendly SP!! :)

FerrisK
FerrisK

Rathbun crippled Scientology while he was in it along with Milke Rinder.

And for past years he is frustrated, his auditing business isn't going well as he planned. Now, he is chasing the signatures of 5000 which he will get, but there is no substance.

RATHBUN AND RINDER NEED TO COME CLEAN.

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

It is sad.  Look over the "Top 25" so far.  Some cause laughter, others cause anger, some are no longer here to see what is happening now.  Many brave individuals have made this list, many evil, villainous, cruel ones too.  Those raised in the "Church" felt betrayed and were preyed upon and chased down like animals when they left.  A few years back, the Branch Davidians were thought to be an abusive, evil "cult."  They were amateurs compared to David Miscavige.  Money, blackmail, extortion, threats and bribes have kept this evil empire, run by the "Munchkin" (sorry if I insulted Munchkins) up and running.  But now more formidable foes have risen.  Damage has been inflicted by many foes from every angle.  Now the "Church" is loosing its lifeblood and "in its last throes."  Most bewildering of all, we have this activity going on in the United States of America?  Anywhere in the "civilized" world?  What does it take to get action?  We are seeing it now.  We party with Anonymous, laugh at Tom Cruise and Tommy Davis, thank Amy, Tory, Jason, Mike, Mark and Marty (and many others).  I could go on...   and let us not forget Lisa McPherson.  

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

This is interesting, from SF Weekly:

​" . . .A couple weeks ago, the masked Anonymous protesters who've been organizing protests outside San Francisco's Church of Scientology for the last three years received a jolt of affirmation. A self-proclaimed Scientologist logged onto the group's local message boardwith the handle "ethicstrouble," thanking Anonymous for its protests and writing "I hope one day to join you."

The San Francisco church's president, Jeff Quiros, told SF Weekly he thought the apostate was a fraud, created by Anonymous themselves. But SF Weekly has since talked at length with ethicstrouble on the phone, and they sent us a bevy of graphs that they said they smuggled out of the trash at the org.

After reviewing the graphs, Quiros claimed they are fake. "They are not legit," he wrote in an e-mail. "Someone is going to great lengths ... I wish SF Weekly would not continue to give legs to this nonsense game." . . ."

What I find interesting is from farther down in the article:

" . . . This week, we will be presenting our ethicstrouble interview in multiple parts. Fearful of being discovered, ethicstrouble talked with us on the condition of only being identified as a 10 to 20-year member of the church who has shelled out more than $50,000 on coursework. We'll refer to ethicstrouble with a gender-less "they" pronoun. Ethicstrouble said they called us from a telephone line they had acquired especially for this purpose, and asked us not to reveal what time we spoke. "Don't tell [President Jeff Quiros] in any way when I talked to you. If you let him know the times I was able to call you that will really narrow me down."  They first sent us graphs which they said they whisked out of a garbage can at the org before the papers hit the shredder. Ethicstrouble says the graphs have proven to Quiros that they are from inside the church, and says their talking to the SF Weekly has created quite a stir within the org: "If you've seen the graphs I've sent you, they know those are real. I'm not worried about them believing I'm real. I can sense it; they feel it. My problem is proving to everyone else -- to you -- that I'm real."  . . ."

Here's the rest:

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thes...

While I understand how people get so very fired up over what Marty Rathbun is doing, it strikes me that if there really is an exodus now [as displayed in the graphs provided by ethicstrouble], then the forces getting people out of the church probably, to a greater or lesser extent, are still a bit in the church.

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

Saul was an enforcer for the official religion. It was his responsibility to hunt down defectors and bring them to justice for their crimes of heresy. Then one day he realized a brilliant plan. He would convert to the new religion of Christianity himself so the Christians would stop hiding from him. He changed his name to Paul and informed others of his miraculous conversion on the road to Damascus. The plan worked very well. Soon Christians were reporting to Paul instead of him having to look for them!

sketto
sketto

Rathbun's watered-down Scientology is merely an example of how religions splinter and morph as people slowly catch on to the bullshit. I really think it's possible that 150 years from now, Scientology will be just like Mormonism is today - mostly viewed with suspicion and not quite in the league of the Big 3 Religions, but still going strong with all its nutty doctrines of outer space and past lives.  

Marcotai
Marcotai

Marty Rathbun recently took part in a German dog and pony show intended to support further suppression of Scientology and Scientologists; but was he the dog or the pony?

Rathbun the dog was dutifully obedient to his new Master’s commands, spouting a list of tired old lies before a room full of carefully prepped attackers as though it was new news, and even embellished them with new claims of victimhood (that must play well in Hamburg) that he hadn’t tried before, even contradicting some of his earlier whinings.

But Rathbun the pony was happy to have his new Master ride him around in a surreal display of obedience before select small groups of attackers and local squirrels, assisted by disgraced lawyer Graeme Berry flitting around in the background trying to organize SOME spectators to watch the show.

Marty has suggested there was some altruistic purpose to his meeting with Ursula Caberta and others in Germany – and that it all a valid part of his effort to “save Scientology.”

Needless to say, once again Marty Rathbun is lying.   He is a Scientology hater and an LRH hater.   He does nothing with the purpose of helping either Scientology or LRH.

What was interesting about the Germany trip however, was the new lows that Rathbun has sunk to in his desperation to cause damage to LRH and Scientology.

Cutting through the dog and pony atmosphere that Marty Rathbun became a shameful part of, he was used simply and only to support Ursula Caberta’s ongoing efforts to eliminate Scientology in Germany completely, outlaw LRH’s writings and Tech, and consign to the ranks of the unemployed any person or organization that has ever studied LRH or taken Scientology services (a campaign called the “sect filter”, which Ursula Caberta created in 1990).

This is Marty Rathbun’s idea of being “pro-Scientology?”

You’ve heard about media being orchestrated?  Before doing a small local TV show, Marty Rathbun and Steve Hall pre-drilled the audience on how they should react to things Marty said.  For example, they were drilled to cheer and applaud when he said he was “never going back to the Church.”

GarryS
GarryS

Thank our stars that Tony's bows to know one & relies on his skills & experience as a journalist to write stories.  Marty has taken exception to what Tony has posted before, but Tony is not Marty's bitch, which Marty has a difficult time with.  Marty is a narcissist and his objections to Tony's articles reads like a primer for narcissists... if Marty can't control his friends and what they think of him, he becomes defensive. Tony doesn't need Marty's approval to write great, and, obviously, well-research articles.

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

Marcotai - ever wondered to yourself that perhaps you are wasting your life on this infantile cult??

Andie
Andie

Good grief Marcotai, do you even read what you post? First off, for all non-scientologists squirrels are cute little rodents. To squirrel means to collect things. To all but the informed, you posts comes off as rambling lunacy. Secondly, there is no such thing as a suppressive person outside of Scientology jargon. Thirdly, Scientology's canon was written over many years. Hubbard changed and rewrote several parts in his life. Thus, Scientology is inconsistent, there's simply no way to not "squirreling" (in the Scientology meaning of the word) the "tech" if you practice it.

Aida Thomas
Aida Thomas

What a waste of your time saying Marty is a squirrel, of course he is not a squirrel, he's not even a scientologist, neither is your master David Miscavige or his minions the squirrel buster productions...you are not a scientologist either...you and all of the above mentioned are just playing a very sordid humanoid game...

Hunter S. Dogs
Hunter S. Dogs

I think Marty Rathbun is doing the world a lot of harm and a little good. But reading your post makes me want to forgive him his failings. Speak English, will ya? That Scientologese they're teaching you just makes you sound like a some sort of brainwashed cultie. 

Mirko
Mirko

Yawn, yet another copy/paste job and a waste of bandwidth.

Skimming through (as, lets be honest, who is actually going to read all that?) Marty is definitely not a squirrel, I don't recall squirrels having opposable thumbs - so I guess that's an opinion and not a fact Marcotai.

And if you mean by "squirrelling" the "standard tech"... do you mean the original version or after the two recent Miscavige-directed rewrites that everyone had to fork out for?

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

'SquirrelBusters' isn't a 'taste' of what Marty used to dish out.  While the resemblence to 'Fair Game' is deliberate, it is so to minimize and sugar coat actual Fair Game and present it as harmless and silly clowning around.

And, it's provided Marty with the plastic martyrdom he craves and which he needs to portray himself as 'Miscavige Enemy #1' to his own fans and media.  At least those superficial enough to be taken in by cheesey special effects.

If SquirrelBusters didn't exist, Marty would have had to invent them.

scilonschools
scilonschools

Just wait until the mass landing of the Marcabian Fleet!!Then we see who is laughing :)

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Marty  doesn't scare me.  He didn't scare me when he was the Thugmaster du Jour for the batshit crazy, billion dollar heavy, murderous and insane UFO Cult 10 years ago, and, he doesn't scare me now.

What scares me is the human frailty that convinces people that bullshit is sometimes *useful* bullshit, whether just because they're too tired to demand honesty any more, or because they're the kind of suckers who, while not willing to buy Hubbard and Xenu, are willing to buy 'enemy of my enemy' without looking at what's actually on the tip of their long opportunistic spoon.

Yeah; they scare me.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Yes, it's been a hugh help. Fact is, I think you got more people out of scientology than Marty has. And definately got more people to not join!

Guest
Guest

This is a KEY --- transition OUT.

dickchurch
dickchurch

@FerrisK How much are you paid to be on this site?  I really need a job, and it seems like easy work.  


SFF
SFF

Feel free to lead by example.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

"While I understand how people get so very fired up over what Marty Rathbun is doing, it strikes me that if there really is an exodus now [as displayed in the graphs provided by ethicstrouble], then the forces getting people out of the church probably, to a greater or lesser extent, are still a bit in the church."

In my experience, people get *themselves* out of the 'Church'.  And, there is usually a 'final straw' within the 'Church' that helps them on their way.  By the time that a Scientologist is looking on the internet, he's already experienced something in Scientology that 'disconnected' him from the Kool Aid; even if was only to come to the conclusion that he himself was a 'suppressive' and not worthy of belonging.

Nobody 'outside' gets people out. If theyr'e looking 'outside', theyr'e *already* out.  'Going offlines' quietly has been tradition in Scientology. Most 'exes' started that way.  Because of something *witin* Scientology that lost them.

Even Tory was already 'out' (without knowing it) because of what she'd experienced *in*.  What happens after that is always very personal and there are dozens of paths.  Before the internet, many of the 'offlines' folk returned.  Most not.  But, if anything, it's the dozens or hundreds or thousands of 'paths' available now that are important.  And, yes, MartyLand is one.  One of many, thank god.

Yeppir
Yeppir

First of all, and I paraphrase, "Marcotai, you ignorant slut! Who'd you have to sleep with to get that information?"

Second, "pre-drilled"? Jeez. Time for a mirror pic, my friend! You are TEXT BOOK pre-drilled. Or do you just really and truly lack the ability to see?

Jefferson Hawkins
Jefferson Hawkins

Marcotai, Marcotai, Marcotai, "a walking shadow, a poor player

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

And then is heard no more. It is a tale

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury

Signifying nothing."

choocho
choocho

"You’ve heard about media being orchestrated?"

 Is that like when Louanne or one of the OSA internet patrollers posts under five different nicknames in the space of a few minutes, never identifying themselves as Scientology employees or even Scientologists, to try and appear as some sort of "Joe Public"?

xoxoxoxoxoxox
xoxoxoxoxoxox

That's exactly what I was wondering as well. Was he the dog or the pony?

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

... and where is David Miscavige?  He will not speak to or be interviewed by ANYONE!  CHICKEN!

TheEvilofScientology
TheEvilofScientology

Marco, have you ever heard of the phrase "pissing in the wind."?

You're doing it now. :)

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

I see you're back, pasta-boy.

If Marty wants to burn the church down, I'll supply the matches, Capisce?

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

Marcotai wrote: "Needless to say, once again Marty Rathbun is lying.   He is a Scientology hater and an LRH hater.   He does nothing with the purpose of helping either Scientology or LRH."

I agree with you completely! Except for the part where I add how you are trying too hard to push the idea of Marty having left the church. Marty Rathbun is obviously still loyal to David Miscavige and the brainwashing cult the two of them created together.

People should stop listening to both David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun. I don't think either of these guys made a real effort to study and understand Scientology. Both of them are making a mockery of a simple but workable technology that could benefit everyone.

Hunter S. Dogs
Hunter S. Dogs

See, I told you Ruthbun's a dick. You're OK in my book Marcotai.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Marty had influence while he was in the church, now all of his powers, respect and financial freedom has been diminished to a blog and poor living condition. His poor dozen bots are getting bored with his pie in the sky BS

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

Hobson: David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun are serving the same flavor of Reverse Scientology to their respective publics. Study LRH's books, references and lectures for yourself and stop relying on these guys to understand the material for you.

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big>MartyBot Michael, do you need a new prescription for your glasses?

Did president Obama called your President Marty yet.. ? LOL

</big>

FerrisK
FerrisK

Sure, once they come clean.

Yeppir
Yeppir

Then the only way to help these people is to bring the muthafucker down. Keep talking, keep posting, keep being there.

subgenius
subgenius

Are their OT powers, much less their "religion" not strong enough to withstand "apostates" without having to attack them? One begins to consider the remote possibility that its all an elaborate hypnotic trance.

Guest
Guest

I agree with one statement you made: "People should stop listening to both David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun," but for different reasons than you meant.

Because LRH was a psychopath.  

FerrisK
FerrisK

Great since we both know,

Now you can take that Bull Sh*t and shove it where sun dont shine.

And I will not communicate with you, since you are just a handle, with a factitious name here, and purely a waste of time.

And far as your friend Xenu goes say hello to him as well, and possibly buy him energizer.battery. I am done with you.  :)

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

Yes, we both know...

XENU

The eternal battery has failed. He is free. Commodore Hubbard's Thetan was captured in battle and has been consumed by Xenu and his forces. All is lost.

KAHHHHHHHNNNN!!!!!

FerrisK
FerrisK

"alleged"?  :)

LoyalOfficer it is apparent you know a mutual contact. Feel free to disclose your Identity, there is no sense of hiding behind a handle and talk big, am I correct?

Cheers!

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

You first. I heard it was alleged you work for Pakistan ISI?

SFF
SFF

You seem to have trouble with the concept of "leading by example". I don't know if it is covered in the tech dictionary but normally it means doing something in an effort to get others to follow your lead.

For example, if you wanted someone else to come clean about something you would start by doing so yourself.

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