Scientology Has Marty Rathbun Arrested (UPDATED: CHARGES DROPPED)

Update: After the jump, more detail on Rathbun's arrest from the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. AND NOW, CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED. SEE BELOW.

This story was originally posted on Saturday, Sept. 17.

Well, it looks like we were premature to say that the siege in South Texas had ended. Apparently, it's just taken a new form.

Yesterday (Friday, Sept. 16) at about 5:30 pm, a San Patricio County deputy sheriff showed up at Marty Rathbun's house and took him into custody for a Class A misdemeanor arrest warrant. Four hours later, he was released. And now, we're trying to put together how Scientology managed to get Rathbun thrown in the slammer for something that happened two weeks ago.

At his blog, Rathbun describes the background to the incident, and I also discussed it with him today in a phone call.

If you've followed along with the coverage of the Squirrel Busters saga here at the Voice you know that since April, a Scientology goon squad of private investigators and Office of Special Affairs volunteers has had Rathbun's house under siege. They rented property near him and until recently were planting themselves in front of his house all day, every day, for almost five months.

Why are they doing this? Well, until 2004, Rathbun was the second-highest-ranking executive in the church of Scientology. He left the organization, and then in 2009 began harshly criticizing current church leader David Miscavige at his blog, where Rathbun made it known that he still adheres to the philosophies of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Over the last two years, many longtime Scientologists have abandoned the official church with the encouragement of Rathbun -- many of them have been announcing their own independence on his blog.

This drain of longtime, high-paying members is a crucial threat to Scientology at a time when it is experiencing dwindling membership -- membership that it relies on to pay exorbitant prices for services. Rathbun is a serious threat to that business model. And traditionally, Scientology goes after people it considers enemies with vicious personal and legal attacks.

Scientology calls people "squirrels" who dare to practice its rituals and philosophies outside the official church. So its attack on Rathbun took the form of a goon squad that called itself the "Squirrel Busters." They wore T-shirts with a picture of Rathbun's head on the body of a squirrel, and with a slash through him. A freelance videographer admitted to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times that the Scientology private investigator running the operation, David Lubow, had informed them that although they were telling the town they were a film crew making a documentary, their real goal was simply to make Rathbun's life "a living hell."

Rathbun says that one of the Squirrel Busters is a tall man whose name is apparently Jim Moore. I'm going through old videos and will post a photo of him later when I find a clear shot.

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The man Rathbun identified as Jim Moore in one of his videos.
For months now, the Scientologists have been following Rathbun and filming him at his house. Rathbun has maintained that it was a classic operation that was intended to rile him up and get him to provoke an assault. He knows this because in his former post at the highest levels of Scientology, he put together such operations himself. "I helped create Frankenstein's monster, and now it's haunting me," he admitted to me recently.

Rathbun is well aware of what the squad is trying to do, so he's been hitting back at them with methods like setting sprinklers to rain on them, knowing that it doesn't reach the level of a legal assualt.

So when he was arrested last night, as you can see in the video, he seems completely dumbfounded. What am I being arrested for? he asks the deputy. When he's told it's a Class A misdemeanor assault which includes bodily injury, he asks his wife Monique, who is standing nearby, "Mosey, did you ever see me hurt anybody?"

We're still piecing together how this arrest happened. Here's what we know so far.

On September 1, Rathbun says the Squirrel Busters were on the apron of his driveway, making another of their innumerable forays to film and question him. Moore, Rathbun says, was leering at his wife, and he told the man to stop.

"He's the guy they kept sending in on my wife," he says, claiming that Moore would show up to question Monique when the Busters squad knew that Rathbun was away from the house. "He'd always manage to get out of there before the sheriff's deputies showed up."

But on that day two weeks ago, Rathbun said he was angry to see Moore looking at Monique, and he got aggressive.

"There was a scuffle, but all I did was grab his sunglasses and threw them down on the street. Then I asked him, 'Do you hear me?' Tony, they stood around for another hour before they left," Rathbun says, an indication to him that Moore was not hurt in the scuffle.

For weeks, he adds, Scientology has worked with four local law firms and has been trying to get local law enforcement agencies to look into Rathbun. But months ago Rathbun went public locally with what was going on, and both the Caller-Times and the San Antonio Express-News covered the story -- there may have been few people in little Ingleside on the Bay, Texas or in Corpus Christi who didn't understand at least something about Scientology's attempt to intimidate Rathbun.

So Scientology apparently went out of town to find a friendly judge.

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There's a Justice of the Peace in Aransas Pass, which is much closer to Ingleside. Instead, Scientologists went to the more distant town of Sinton to find Yolanda Guerrero
Rathbun learned that his arrest warrant was sworn out by Yolanda Guerrero, a Justice of the Peace in Sinton, Texas. Looking at a map, it's clear that there's a much closer Justice of the Peace in nearby Aransas Pass (Charlene Lewis), but Scientology's operatives went to Guerrero, who apparently hadn't read the Caller-Times story and knew nothing about Scientology's involvement.

Rathbun didn't know about any of that when he arrived at the jail. He says a jail officer laughed when they brought him in. "What are you doing here?" the officer asked him. "The guy had read all the stories and knew all about what was going on," Rathbun says.

A couple of hours later, Guerrero arrived. "She had to come in and magistrate me out. I guess it's the equivalent of an arraignment, to set the bail. I tried to argue the case. I told her I'm already in prison, these guys are on me 24/7. She reduced it from $2,000 to $1,000," Rathbun says.

He tried to explain to her what was really going on, but she apparently didn't know the background. "There's a lot behind this whole thing, I told her. She said that all she knows is that he came in and swore to this. She didn't know anything about them being outside my house for 150 days," Rathbun says. He says she mentioned something about a "media reporter," which tells him that she had apparently bought the Squirrel Busters' story that they were a film crew.

I left a message with Guerrero's office, but may not hear back until at least Monday.

I also called David Aken, the San Patricio County attorney who would handle the prosecution of the misdemeanor assault if it were to come to court.

"I have received none of the statements of facts or anything at all," Aken told me. "What I can tell you is that my office will weigh the totality of the circumstances when we're deciding whether or not there should be a prosecution."

Aken said he should receive information on the case on Monday and will know by the end of the week if there is going to be a prosecution.

Rathbun says that when he was being taken away by the deputy, he could see the Squirrel Busters keeping watch in cars nearby. They haven't left after all, but have apparently now simply shifted their strategy.

"The whole thing was a setup to get me in the can on a Friday night for the weekend," he says. That plan didn't work. He was out of the jail by about 9:30 last night, four hours after he was taken into custody.

No doubt, Scientology's attorneys are now working hard to lobby Aken's office that Rathbun be sent to prison for "roughing up" Moore.

"America's got some problems that people don't know about. The system is so eminently gameable, all you need is money," Rathbun says.


UPDATE: Mark Collette of The Corpus Christi Caller-Times has a story today (Tuesday) that brings us more details.

It sounds like Rathbun wasn't far off when he described the incident to us. In a sworn statement, the victim, Jim Moore, said his sunglasses were pulled off and his forehead was scratched:

In a sworn statement, Moore said that on Sept. 2, Rathbun approached him "in an angry and violent manner, and with his hand grabbing, jerking and pulling off my glasses (off my face), causing pain and injury, scratches to my forehead."

Rathbun said Moore had been pestering his wife, Monique Rathbun, and he asked Moore to stop, but Moore ignored him. Rathbun said he grabbed Moore's sunglasses out of frustration.

Collette also corroborates what we had reported earlier, that the Squirrel Busters had gone to Judge Guerrero in Sinton, and that she was unfamiliar with the background of the case.

It will be up to county attorney David Aken to decide whether the case is worth prosecuting. He earlier refused to prosecute when the Squirrel Busters complained about Rathbun tearing a microphone out of the hands of one the squad members. Aken decided that a jury would feel that Rathbun had been provoked. No doubt that will also be a consideration when Aken considers Moore's complaint.

We had previously reported that Bert Leahy, a freelance videographer who briefly worked for the Squirrel Busters, identified its ringleader as David Lubow, a private investigator who has worked for Scientology for many years.

Collette adds another connection between official Scientology and the Squirrel Buster operation:

The church denies any affiliation with the Squirrel Busters. But in July, Corpus Christi attorney Richard Rogers sent a letter to Aken identifying himself as the attorney representing the film crews. The letter was copied to Allan Cartwright, the church's legal director.

Rathbun, and former Office of Special Affairs executive director Mike Rinder, both former high-level Scientology executives who for many years worked directly with church leader David Miscavige, say that there's no doubt the Squirrel Busters goon squad is an OSA operation that is being directed by Miscavige himself.

Aken told us earlier that by Friday, he should know whether he will prosecute Rathbun based on Moore's complaint. We'll report what we hear from him.


UPDATE: CHARGES DROPPED. Now, another article from Mark Collette, indicating that David Aken, county attorney, only needed a day to decide the charges against Rathbun would not be prosecuted:

An assault case against former Scientology official Mark "Marty" Rathbun was rejected by the San Patricio County Attorney's office Tuesday, less than four days after Rathbun's arrest.

County Attorney David Aken said his office determined no jury would convict Rathbun after seeing the way in which the complainant and his film crew had been videotaping Rathbun's life for the last 155 days...

"We took a totality of the circumstances," Aken said. "We examined the level of provocation and the extent of the injury, which was literally a scratch."

As Collette points out, this is twice the Squirrel Busters and their attorneys have tried to have Rathbun prosecuted, and twice they have struck out.


FINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS INCIDENT: Let's not forget what Scientology tried to do here. There was a lot of discussion in our comments section and elsewhere about whether Marty Rathbun "deserved" to be hauled away and prosecuted based on what he did in the past with the Church of Scientology.

But let's keep an eye on what really happened here: Although the "Squirrel Busters" pretended to be a film crew made up of Scientologists who had no connection with the official church, it was established in two different ways that this was a goon squad sent by and directed by the official Church of Scientology and its longtime private investigator.

As a result of that operation, Scientology got a man taken to jail over "literally a scratch," as the prosecutor put it, and likely would have had Rathbun locked up over a weekend if not for the quick action of a jail officer who knew what was going on. How did a church accomplish the arrest and this cynical manipulation of the local justice system? Through a classic Scientology tactic of shopping for a judge who was ignorant of the nearly unbelievable background -- that a religious organization, for the last 5 MONTHS has besieged a man's house because he dares practice his own religion in his own way. Twice now, that church has, through the use of private investigators and attorneys, tried to get the man arrested and prosecuted over trivial reactions to their daily provocations, in what are psychological operations intended to engender those kinds of reactions.

Only because of reporters like Mark Collette and because of Rathbun's own efforts in his blog are some key locals -- including sheriff's deputies and county attorney David Aken -- aware of what's really going on, preventing Scientology from the kinds of similar operations it has pulled elsewhere.

You can be sure that David Miscavige and Scientology are not going to stop their cynical tactics in South Texas. Rathbun, by simply professing his own brand of independent Scientology and reaching deep into the official church to entice longtime members to come out, is too much of a threat to Miscavige for him to give up after only two tries to get Rathbun prosecuted.

But never, I think, have Scientology's legal tactics been so nakedly exposed as they are happening. Why this isn't a national story, with a CNN crew hanging around to film the Squirrel Busters, is a complete mystery to me. -- Tony O.



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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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248 comments
Nothanks
Nothanks

I wonder if this "film crew" has filed for all necessary state or local business licenses, taxes, and the like, and whether they are meeting the zoning requirements in the area?  Just a thought....

johnAnon
johnAnon

I think it's safe to say that if Scientology ever got into any place of real political power.. That there would be a lot more arrests and people disappearing for just disagreeing with them.  Sounds like a great world to live in, doesn't it!?

Reggie
Reggie

Sounds like Rathbun is getting what he deserves.  He set these things up as a member of the cult, he deserves nothing less than to have it done to him.  That the Scientologists are making themselves look like a bunch of rabid wolverines can only hasten their inevitable downfall.  Life is good.

La Rouche
La Rouche

I think this forever dispels the notion that Scientology is a religion or ever was a religion. Their criminally gained tax exempt status needs to be revoked immediately. What is being done to the Rathbun's is nothing short of criminal stalking and harassment. This only proves that the "Wee Pope", has failed and is grasping at straws of revenge as he's destroying his cult in the most public way possible. The proof would still be there, even without the CC so the CO$ chief counsel.

Anyone know how to get the tax exempt status rescinded for the CO$? Might as will be kind and kill them off be end of the fiscal year, making a clean sweep.

Mail
Mail

Texas is a "Castle Doctrine" state, meaning if you feel threatened on your property, feel your property is threatened (including vehicles, possessions, structures, etc), or another person is threatened, you may legally use lethal force.  If these people have in fact been continually harassing , intruding onto his property (even just the fringe edges of it), and doing so in such a way as to cause incidents like the scuffle above, then he could very easily and legally shoot them, with his only explanation needing be "I felt threatened".  Considering the documented evidence in this case already, which the DA knows full well about after throwing out the latest charges, I highly doubt he would attempt to prosecute.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Mail,

Please dont give any idea to this self admitted violet troglodyte Marty Rathbun.

And before you run off, you may want to read this. I am not a lawyer and you dont see to provide if you are one.

Conditions of use

Each state differs with respect to the specific instances in which the Castle Doctrine can be invoked, and what degree of retreat or non-deadly resistance (if any) is required before deadly force can be used.

In general, (one) or a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business or vehicle.The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal dutiesThe occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the homeThe occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglaryThe occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly forceThe occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

SQ Buster, where there with a camera and doing a coverage, it was Marty, who was throwing water on them and breaking thing on Public area. Maybe Marty and Mosey thought, the microphone was deadly.

Marty, go get them, you may end up in jail for the 3rd time for good.

Brandovibe
Brandovibe

This seems totally insane to me, why wouldnt he just file harassment charges against the people who are camping in front of his house for 150 days witht he intent to harass him and his wife?? STalkers get restraining orders on them for much less than that....

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big> He didn't file restrain order because Marty Rathbun is lonely, and he spent most of time on his blog, so you can see he needed human interaction.

NOTICE:  ALL of his postings are Manually approved, just look at the times of the posting, he is sitting there front of his computer almost 18 hours a day. Marty has 5 jobs:1. PROSTITUTE HIMSELF TO MEDIA 2. TALK TO MIKE RINDER, SO THEY CAN VALIDATE EACH OTHER3. COMMUNICATE WITH THE MARTYBOTS on his blog.4. HE TALKS  TO MARK FISHER, WHOSE PICTURE ARE ON MANY SITE PROMOTING PROSTITUTION IN ASIA WITH YOUNG GIRLS. DECIDE FOR YOURSELF IF THOSE ARE GIRLS OR CHILDREN. HE HAD A SITE, TOOK OFF, WHEN AUTHORITIES START LOOKING INTO IT.4. TRY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE FROM HIS BLOG FOR AUDITING MONEY

And no one with money showing up, just look at the recent incident in Marty's life. Marty hardly could  come up with $1000 bail money, this guy couldn't even buy his wife a wedding dress and have a proper wedding ceremony on their "special" day. Heck, he went so cheap, he had Mike Rinder performed the ceremony front of the bbq grill behind a house. NOT TO MENTION ALL GUEST SMELLED LIKE PORK CHOPS FROM THE BBQ. They might as well wed in a pickup truck on the way to honeymoon is New Orleans.

To top it off, he was walking shirtless in New Orleans, displaying his 1 pack (pot belly) result of excessive drinking of Tallboy Colt 45 or Old English Beer could it be he sold his shirt to cover the bar tab.

Now I know why the cop had to arrest him while they were mounted on horse, it is because horses understood Marty and Marty understood them, since both of them are animal. </big>

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

More evidence of brain damage and long, long hours from Ferris—Lots of entheta considering that that FerrisK theoretically is some sort of ascended being. If that's the emotional intelligence of the upper levels at CO$, then FK's posting is all the proof one needs of the toxic effects of the cult.

Mr. K—you have no idea of how stupid you appear to be in "defenses" like these. Your post makes you appear incredibly petty. Again, if you represent the effects I can expect by being involved in CO$, then I want to get as far away from you and your crew as possible.

Shawn
Shawn

How typical and very pathetic Ferris. Attack, attack, attack.   Read your post again and please see the pathetic things you are doing in the name of your cult.  Do you have no shame at all?  I find you so very very sad and truly pity you.  There is help if you want to escape the cult.  Just ask.

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big>Lets turn the world media against COS, global issues and problem solved. If so, I am all for it, where do I sign?

Do you not see how silly your analysis is, you are saying if they shut down the COS, worldwide problems will be  solved..HAHHA,

You must of had Marty's  fresh batch of Kool Aid this morning.

Hey while you are at it, why not go after the catholic church priest, they were busted for child abuse and pedophiles. Heck, lets shut down the Vatican, and bring the pope to justice? RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO. </big>

What is funny is many critics call COS, a small group of people, also they claim if they shut down the COS the worldwide problem solved. WOW this small group of people have such a worldwide effect in the world. NOT.

I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act. Buddha

Sid
Sid

What.Are.You.Talking.About?

Who said the world's problems would be solved if the CoS was shut down? I don't remember ANYONE, ANYWHERE saying that.

And you're right, unless we act something like 40,000 people will continue to suffer from financial hardship, disconnection, family break-up, suicide, RPF, slave labor......

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big>For some reason Disqus couldn't index it.

It was in response to "LoyalOfficer" post please see below.

He is another MartyBot, who had more than his share of Kool Aid which Mosey prepared for him this morning.

See you guys and gals in few days. </big>

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Why this isn't a national story, with a CNN crew hanging around to film the Squirrel Busters, is a complete mystery to me. -- Tony O.

Really, Tony?  

1) Rathbun admits to the press tha lot he did illegal things on the behalf of the cult.  2)  He's got an axe to grind now.3)  His version of 'religious' practices are in question as an actual religion.4)  Most media outlets see this as an inconsequential story (except Anderson Cooper), but most media lawyers see this as potentially costly.  The law moves very, very slowly and has a long memory.  Most lawyers see things this way as well and the cost outweighs the newsworthiness.

If the victim were someone blonde, pretty, and didn't have troubled credibility then this would be a bigger story.  For now it is like some defrocked priest who covered up the crimes of his pedophile co-workers (and may have other serious crimes he's hiding) getting harassed by the pope for providing confessionals in his home.  

A  lot of us have NO sympathy for him.

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candace6
candace6

Great news.  Tiny David Miscavige must be furious that not only were the charges dropped, but Marty wasn't in jail all weekend either.  Someone's going to have to face those little fists of fury for this. 

Sid
Sid

"Let's not forget what Scientology tried to do here. There was a lot of discussion in our comments section and elsewhere about whether Marty Rathbun "deserved" to be hauled away and prosecuted based on what he did in the past with the Church of Scientology."

Tony - in my opinion this is not what the vast majority of critics think, and I know that I do not think that Marty Rathbun deserves to be harassed by the CoS. It's objectionable regardless of who's on the receiving end.

However, until Marty can bring himself to issue a more wide-ranging apology, and give recognition to the many he persecuted whilst in the Co$, he will not be getting complete sympathy. Repeatedly crying over his best friend Mike Rinder does not cut it.

Whilst he asks for freedom to practice his religion, but accuses others of being Squirrels, he cannot be taken completely seriously.

I look forward to your entry on Marty and I hope you address these issues correctly.

At the end of apartheid in South Africa it was necessary for some "Truth and Reconciliation" before people could completely forgive and move on. We are still waiting Marty.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Probably an even more apropriate metaphor would be East Germany when it collapsed.  No other state I can think of more closely resembles real existing scientology.

'The Lives of Others' is a wonderful movie about it.

When Scientology dies, there will be decades of pain digging through the horror of discovering the 'knowledge reports' and 'Ops' that Scientologists ran on each other.

But, it will be done and enforced disconnection will be done and the Sea Org will be done and it won't be happy fun time

But, it will be better.

BunnySkull
BunnySkull

I have a theory is to why MRx2 isn't getting more mainstream media coverage and it 2 fold. One was both of the MR spent 20 plus years bullying, intimidating into silence, plain old bold faced lying & threatening legal action towards mainstream media outlets who tried to report on Scientology. Why should these outlets hop to attention now that the 2 guys are getting the same treatment the spent a career doling out? (also proving themselves perfectly willing to lie to further an agenda) I think any outlets with former experience with CoS & these 2 see it as a bit of ironic justice and cant bring themselves to get interested or outraged simply because the tide has turned.

The second, and most important factor - it's a minute lunatic fringe feuding with an even smaller lunatic fringe over some very bizarre, religious beliefs that were invented by a 2nd rate Sci-Fi author who most of America views as a total con man. The only reason CoS even gets the amount of attention it does is due to the celebrity connections and the amount of money it throws around. Most of the world isn't up on all the details and backstory of Scientology so this whole drama appears as what in the end it truly is - two wacky cults of of slightly different flavors fighting with each other. Both sides appear to have boarded the crazy train long, long ago.

Of course, there are some bigger issues involved - freedom of speech, freedom of religion, infringement of both, manipulation of our legal system, etc... Unfortunately that is all easily lost when you watch grown adults filming each other filming each other while giving "Tone 40" confront while blabbing about keeping their TRs "in", calling each other squirrels, abuse of pre-clears, auditing away space cooties and other absolutely batshit insider baseball almost no one beside cult members and former cult members understand or care about.

The only other audience you have for this cult drama (which includes many anons) are people like myself who have cottoned to the fact this is a drama far more bizarre and entertaining than the reality crap or soap operas on TV. So we read, watch and argue about the latest installments of "As the Cult Turns" instead of real housewives or WWF. Obviously the stakes are higher and the drama real (& totally insane) but that's what keeps us tuning in. Well, that and the hope that with some activism we can keep children out of the abuse and insanity some of these adults have plunged into with both feet and unfortunately involved their innocent children in their bad choices. If there's one thing I wish the media would pay attention to it's the damage this cult/ belief system does to the ones with no free choice in the matter.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

YES!

BATSHIT INSANE INSIDER BASEBALL FOR SQUIRRELS!

"Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. "

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big>I read your post twice, and to be honest you have presented in a light which is in fact make sense and much bigger picture.

THIS IS NOT WORTHY OF NEWS, HOWEVER, IT IS GREAT FOR JERRY SPRINGER SHOW.

Just to add if I may, there are lots of bigger news than Marty and his wife crying and Marty getting arrested for stupid things such as throwing water, grabbing hat, breaking sunglasses or scratching people, (this is not the news and belong in America's Favorite Video or Jerry Springer show) these are trait for kindergarten bully. Not to menton walking in New Orleans without his shirt and showing his one pack (pot belly) and getting arrested while the policemen on horses, the horses mouth are frothing near marty's   frontal bald part of the head. Afterwards, getting thrown in Jail, n New Orleans and forced to put on orange jump jail suit.

The real news is employment, healthcare, homeland security, children's education, economy and keeping alleged pedophile away from our children.

If mainstream media started to cover these looney tune, majority of same people will have backlash toward mainstream media, and having question about their sanity, or label them as tabloid trash.

As I said before,  SAME OLD CIRCUS JUST THE NEW CLOWNS!

Ferris </big>

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

Employment, Cult of $cientology in Australia and worldwide abusing its own members.

Economy, Cult of $cientology is bad for Clearwater. Tax the cult.

Keeping pedophiles away from the children. Cult of $cientology AGAIN, Jan Eastgate AKA Jan Meyer protecting $cientology pedophiles in Australia, ARRESTED.

Education of children. lolWHUT? Cult of $cientology AGAIN? Keeping Sea Org children uneducated and forcing them to work, work, work for little to nothing.

Yes, lets talk about these issues.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

On the bright side, Charlie Manson still has public attention, even though he only killed less than a dozen people; probably fewer than Scientology, and, *he* didn't do it himself.

No, it's not surprising that mainstream media doesn't particularly care about Scientology; it's been a 50 year journey to get them to even look.  In the 'grand scheme of things' Scientology is certainly less important than herpes.  But, it's been a 50 year long struggle to *bring* Scientology to the attention of the mainstream audience, and, we are now at a tipping point I think.

You're far less likely to hear confusion about Scientology being 'Oh, that Christian Science' stuff' or so.

But, when you look at a multi-billion Dollar UFO Cult with tendrils into local, national and international government that wants to take over the world and *still* is about 90% 'dark' as to its internal and external operations...

Well, this is history in the making.  And all it will take is enough wogs to get curious.

As Rons said:

"Incredulity of our data and validity. This is our finest asset and gives us more protection than any other single thing. If certain parties thought we were real we would have infinitely more trouble"

The more you see, the more fascinating Scientology is.  And, it's *always* worse than you think.

Time to see *all* of it.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Marty Rathbum is feeling the pressure, since the comment on Tony Ortega Village Voice section is getting much higher rating, and it is ground zero for the readers to post both sides of the views. Unlike Rathbun blogs where he is  altering, forging, and banning adversaries posts, this is a true place to hear both side.

Poor Marty sucking up to Ortega callng "Mr. O" LOL.  Marty kissing up to any big or small media he can bark up to, Marty tried local "Nifty Nicker newspaper? I thought you said US Media have no balls? Now you kissing up (down) so much, Mosy cant tell the difference from your brown nosing, if its the crap or your halitosis

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

You have the freedom to post what you you want to say to Marty here. If you want your comment to be seen on Marty's site then you want the world to see it. Let's hear what you have to say and what Marty is suppressing. Let it out.

FerrisK
FerrisK

DMSTCC,

I dont even know who you are, I am a small part of the bigger picture. If you are smart you can see it, why they are so hostile towards me. Because they know from their back channel what I am doing. Stay tuned, my friend.

Scientia
Scientia

Mike Rinder asked you outright whether you were still being paid by Lubow or direct by Abelson. I have also asked you this repeatedly on another thread. Why won't you answer? It is a simple question. Either you are paid by one of these church-hired goons or you're not. Which is it?

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

You are correct in that you have nothing to offer. No source, just crazy Cult of $cientology BS.

Yes, Marty has posted here.

Step up to the plate with that source you promised. Maybe you need to call in again to get your story straight?

Kanonimus1
Kanonimus1

Actually, Marty has posted here, several times.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

The miss-spellings, bad grammar and other nuances are synonymous with the previous Mark Miglio posts. 

FerrisK
FerrisK

<big>I dont know you. and I have nothing to offer to you. If you or Marty's have something to offer, please step up to the plate on posy on Village Voice.

Anyone seen Marty post here, on Tony's blog, NOOP. I wonder why, it is because he wont be able to censor it? </big>

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Typical sidestep. Looks like you have nothing to offer. 

FerrisK
FerrisK

Joe,

Thank you.

Sometimes I think, you are in a person's head. :) If a person is entirely not agreeable to your opinion/post, they are just left speechless for rebuttal.

Ferris

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Ferris, much of what you've said is easily accepted.  Not a biggy on the rest, but, I can understand why you're so frustrated.

But, while I'm with you on objecting to the lies you object to, I'm also objecting to the lies about Scientology since it began; decades before Marty announced himself s its savior.

So, I doubt we'll ever be in 'agreement', but, ARC be damned, you can tell the truth even to people who don't belive you.  It's even good practice

Zander
Zander

I have no use whatsoever for Marty Rathbun, but you FerrisK are a toxic troll. Go away.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Oops, Identity revealed, now back tracking.You just said earlier "Marty is helping people" now you say "You have no use for Rathbun" BUT BUT, marty is helping. lol sorry had to laugh. Ferris

LoaylOfficer
LoaylOfficer

Very poor reading comprehension in addition to atrocious grammar.

So, where is that source?

FerrisK
FerrisK

Relax Zander., I thought you meant Rathbun,I was just asking Chuck because, he is always posting day and night for so many years, that's why I asked him.

Zander
Zander

I never said, "Marty is helping people."

Are you a liar or just stupid?

In any event, I'm  done with you troll. Bye.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Tony,   Very important article.   And to me, this is a huge area that a ballsy academic should just DO THE FULL RESEARCH, and history, of the Hubbard scriptures, and the exact history of ALL important abuses that are driven by the Hubbard counter attack scriptures.  

The "Frank Oliver Hat materials" on Wikileaks, and google them you'lll find the site that downloads them, those are Hubbard.

This is Hubbard's writings, that are still being acted out by official Scientology.

MOST needed, is a scholar, and GOOD writer to take on the GO/OSA/counter attack history of the Hubbard writings that STILL drive this.

Alan Cartwright, the Legal guy at OSA, known him since the early 1980s, can't believe he's still there.  

If a few key OSA staff defected, and worked with an academic or good journalist, the whole seamy recent years history could be exposed.

People like Kurt Weiland, Linda Hamel, Kathy O'Gorman, if they defected and talked, then at least the crap could be exposed.

The Hubbard writings that tell the OSA staff to continue to do this disgraceful stuff,  ARE in the public domain, and NO journalist nor scholar has done a paper or book on this whole seamy history, but it SHOULD be done, soon!

The OSA people are "just following orders!"    THAT IS THE TRUTH.   And the Hubbard orders ARE in the public domain, and there's plenty of people alive who will help a scholar or journalist who's got the funding and nerve to do the story!

     

FerrisK
FerrisK

Hi Chuck,

Do you work? I always see you posting anti-scientology stuff. I am serious, when was the lat time you saw a sun? I am sorry, had to ask.

Ferris

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

I would let Chuck babysit my son, even though he's more than 30 now :)

Chuck and I may not agree on everything, whether spirituality or politics (and, yes, Scientology is more about politics than spirituality) but, he's a peach.

Of course, it wouldn't pay that well...

Zander
Zander

He spends a lot of his time helping people who are leaving the Sea Org and re-entering normal life. Who have you helped lately?

FerrisK
FerrisK

Chuck or Rathbun? I met Chuck many years back, he is all right. On the other hand Rathbun, he is a lying slime ball.

FerrisK
FerrisK

OK, I will help you. What can I do?Will you be happy, if I just go away?

Zander
Zander

You are not helping me. You're deliberately muddying the waters.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Re- entering a normal life back into Scientolgy, called Independent Scientology?

I am helping you, so you are not another Rathbun's Zombie.

FerrisK
FerrisK

Great News! Now we all can go and knock Marty's thick coke bottle glass off his face, and no charges will be pressed. Am I correct? ;)

Delusional nutcases celebrating this news as if Marty has been on trial from something big like beating, choking (Mike Rinder)etc. and has just been acquitted ?

 Unbelievable, a minor charge, gets dropped, Marty thinks it is huge victory. LMFAOMarty has history of violent behavior, and troglodyte supporter of Marty Ratbum are happy promoting violence.

Hee Ha Giddy UP!

DMisXENU
DMisXENU

You can't! If you did that he would be within his rights to defend himself. Why don't you or DM have a celebrity fight against him for charity to settle this once and for all? BAWWW.

SOURCE NOW.

FerrisK
FerrisK

I swear to you, I will pay up to $2000 to watch that fight. Can you imagine pot bellied, alcoholic Rathbun, whose liver and kidneys are shot and his living condition just above the roaches and rats going up against Miscaviage-  No contest, hands down Miscaviage will win. The only way Marty has a chance, if he breathes on DM, since Marty has a severe case of halitosis.

Far as I am concerned, I am not a violent man, and wont fight just for celebrity statues. I will tel you this, if Marty or anyone scratches my face, since I dont wear glasses, I will sodomize the attacker with their own hand.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

It's impossible for Ronbots to feel embarrassment.

But seriously dude—self criticism is the path to enlightenment. The first step—IS NOT POSTING UNTIL YOU CLEAN UP ALL YOUR FUCKING GRAMMAR AND SPELLING ERRORS. IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DOLT!

A shitload of egregious writing errors appears to be required from you good little 'bots posting for your crime syndicate.

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

Xenu, I mean David Miscavige is far to chicken  to ever take you up on that. The dwarf wouldn't stand a chance. So you would sexually assault another man?

SICK PERVERT FERRIS K. This needs a KR written up. RPF for you freak.

SOURCE?

FerrisK
FerrisK

You truly think a typo can make me embarrassed? LOL. Try dealing with people like Fisher and Rathbun on a routine basis.

Zander
Zander

You were trying to write "Marty is mental," and became excited and made a typo.

How embarrassing for you.

SFF
SFF

Scientology works and it helps people.

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