Scientology Overseas: More Bad News in Australia, Israel, and the UK (UPDATED)

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Chris Guider, the latest Scientology executive to leave and say that David Miscavige gets slappy
Reporter Steve Cannane e-mailed this morning to alert us to a story on Lateline, a program on Australia's ABC network. The piece describes the defection of yet another Scientology executive who says he witnessed church leader David Miscavige violently assaulting his employees. As you'll see in the video, Chris Guider was a professional rugby player who gave up his sports dreams to become a member of Scientology's hardcore Sea Org. Now he regrets that decision.

Cannane's story is just one of several interesting things happening overseas this week in the world of Scientology watching, and between countdown items (#5 popped up yesterday, #4 shows up tomorrow morning at 9 am), we thought we'd round up several of them in this post.

Besides, it's Thursday, and in Scientology, that's the day to turn in your stats and review a week's worth of progress. So what better day to review this overseas enturbulation!

Guider's story is sadly repetitive. Only yesterday, I was extolling the virtues of "The Truth Rundown," the epic 2009 series by Tom Tobin and Joe Childs which appeared in the St. Petersburg Times. The duo convinced several former high-ranking Scientology executives to come forward and talk about what they saw in the highest levels of the church -- that Miscavige beat the crap out of people who worked for him.

Now there's Guider, and Australia has its own expose of life with DM. There's one really sick detail in this new glimpse of Scientology's leader: Guider claims that when he refused to beat someone with a stick on Miscavige's orders, he was thrown into the RPF -- the Rehabilitation Project Force, the Sea Org's prison detail. (Cue the standard language from the church that the RPF is really just a lovely rehab program and something like a tropical retreat, but with jumpsuits.)

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? Oh, I'd say the Guider story is a big downstat for the church without a question. Cannane seemed to go out of his way to get several different denials from the church, but as is often the case, these blanket denials only come off inauthentic and actually kind of bizarre.


Story #2: Hell continues to break loose in Israel

Back in May, we told you about a bizarre story coming out of Tel Aviv. An attorney there named Gur Finkelstein had been arrested for a string of crimes, including attempted murder. Finkelstein is Scientology's man in the region, and he was overseeing some expansion of the Tel Aviv org. But when a local bureaucrat objected to the expansion and threatened to tear it down, Finkelstein allegedly tried to have the man killed and wanted to make it look like the hit was done by right-wing ultra-orthodox Jews, not a gang of thugs actually hired by Scientology's attorney!

Well, while Finkelstein awaits trial, more bad news for the church there. It turns out that the attorney is also a trustee on Scientology's building in Jaffa, a historic cinema that was undergoing renovation. But payments on those renovations have fallen short, and now the building has been put into foreclosure.

Jaffa. New Haven, Connecticut. Northumbria, UK. Does this string of recent foreclosures and setbacks with Miscavige's "Ideal Org" program mean Dede and the Birmingham Solid Gold Dancers have to work even harder? Yikes.

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? Another big downstat, I'd say. Israel just doesn't seem like the most fertile place for planet clearing right now.


Story #3: A sucker born every minute.

We brought you some amazing material recently that was leaked from Scientology's "org" in Birmingham, UK. Photos and an audio track painted a picture of a rather un-glamorous fundraising event at the org, which included a conga line.

We mentioned in that story that one way the members of the Birmingham org were convinced to fork over cash for the purchase of a new building was that they were asked to watch a video of a man who had made a large donation.

Well, now more material about that man has also been leaked, and I have to say, it is heartbreaking stuff.

The man, Stephen Cox, can be seen in the video talking about how he's been convinced to turn over 20,000 pounds for the Ideal Org program, even though he's only been a Scientologist for a couple of months.

Even more distressing, some of Cox's e-mails were also leaked, which seem to indicate that he is in no position to be pledging 20,000 pounds (more than $30,000). It will put him in debt at a time when he's apparently going through a divorce. (He's assured by a Scientology handler, however, that his donation will help change the world.)

Although the audio sucks in this film, perhaps you can at least get a sense of what is being portrayed here: a fragile, confused man whose pockets are being picked clean:

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? This is a tough one. On the one hand, 20,000 pounds is a lot of dough, and would have made somebody happy at the org. But as for what it means for Cox? Hard to say. We're trying to reach him, and will let you know what we find out.


Finally, there's this item.

Several Friends of Runnin' Scared e-mailed me with this screenshot from the recent Freedom magazine parody of The New Yorker. I hadn't noticed it before, but the parody extended even to the familiar back-of-the-book cartoon caption contest in the venerable Conde Nast publication:

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Let me help you decode this little joke from David Miscavige and his minions at Freedom. That's Lawrence Wright at the center of this send-up of Da Vinci's "Last Supper." And around him, playing the apostles, are various Scientology defectors.

Now, my loyal tipsters are all telling me they're outraged -- OUTRAGED! -- that Scientology would play off iconic Christian imagery to make a point (however muddled) about its enemies. After all, according to L. Ron Hubbard's bizarre upper-level teachings, Jesus Christ is just a fiction that was implanted in the minds of disembodied alien souls by Xenu, the galactic overlord some 75 million years ago.

Well, I'm sorry, but Miscavige using "The Last Supper" to make a joke just isn't registering at all on my outrage meter.

In fact, I think the cartoon is actually kind of funny. And let me tell you, it's not often that Scientologists are ever funny or clever. So I think in this case...

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? This is a big UPSTAT! Congrats, Sea Orgers. Help yourself to an extra ladle of rice and beans!

[PS: I'm going to try to find a better scan of the cartoon, and I would love it if our readers could help me identify all 12 apostles. I see Rathbun and Headley in there, but let's get them all ID'd!]


UPDATE: Thanks to Warrior (Mark Plummer) for coming through with these hi-res scans of the cartoon. Now let's try to figure out who is being skewered in these badly-done caricatures.

We'll start with the right side of the table. That's pretty clearly Gerry Armstrong in the middle, and is that pie-faced Mike Rinder on the left?

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Next up is the three figures just to the right of Lawrence Wright. The consensus so far is that it's Rathbun in the baseball cap, and I think that's Marc Headley on the left. Is that Claire Headley on the right? Nancy Many?

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Next is the three figures to the left of Lawrence Wright. I think most figure that's a cheap-shot at Amy Scobee on the right, and isn't that Jeff Hawkins on the left? Could that be Larry Wollersheim in the middle?

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And finally, on the left side of the table are the last three. A bad representation of Jason Beghe in the glasses? The other two really don't ring a bell for me. But shouldn't Paul Haggis and Tom de Vocht be in here somewhere?

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Thanks again to Warrior for the clearer view. Looking forward to more ID's in the comments.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

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Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

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[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

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EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

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[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
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barbara graham
barbara graham

"Guider claims that when he refused to beat someone with a stick on Miscavige's orders, he was thrown into the RPF"

"Okay, Mr. Miscavige, gimme the stick."

Turns and beats him like a bitch pinata. "Take that, you sick, twisted midget!"

Shorne
Shorne

I'm a Muslim living in one of the largest Muslim populations in the world. In our cultures, such such defamatory gossiping and rumor  mongering  about others religious beliefs would get you into a whole lotta deadly trouble. In your culture, were the weak, the liers, and the evil are protected by laws which were constructed to protect the honest, but are twisted to protect the likes of you along with cowards, murderers, and child molesters, you seem to be able to damn anyone and anything with no responsibility. Your cultures are collapsing from within from moral decline and corruption, your governments are involved in 'legal' and systematic murder in order to protect unethical international business, and you, you are but the shit on the trailing end of a goats tail. You disgust me and I feel sorry for your terror filled life, where everybody is out to get  you, or so you imagine. The worlds going to hell you mindless twit, stop bitching about some thing you know nothing about and for once in your miserable worthless life, try and find in you a t least a cinder of your real self and DO SOMETHING THAT HELPS PEOPLE FOR ONCE!!!!!

ShowRunner
ShowRunner

Among other things, LRH's books and tapes don't cover the art of creating caricatures very well.

Warrior
Warrior

Left to right: Chuck Beatty, Daniel Montalvo, Jason Beghe, Paul Haggis, Tom DeVocht, Amy Scobee, Lawrence Wright, Marc Headley, Marty Rathbun, Claire Headley, Mike Rinder, Jeff Hawkins, Steve Hall.

Amy
Amy

There's no question to me who they are trying to portray - especially if you've seen some of the photos they've put up on their websites of these people. Chuck Beatty, Daniel Montalvo, Jason Beghe, Paul Haggis, Tom DeVocht, yours truly, Larry Wright, Marc Headley, Marty Rathbun, Claire Headley, Miek Rinder, Jeff Hawkins and Steve Hall.  Yeah - McSavage - the people exposing your crimes.

Janet
Janet

The one standing behind Jason looks like a young person, could it be Daniel?

mjm
mjm

any deets on if that Dolphin Tale movie (filmed in Clearwater, FL near the CoS headquarters) is cult-affiliated? I know it stars non-Scilon actors (Harry Connick Jr., Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman).

mjm
mjm

Lisa Lampanelli justed outed T. Cruise on Twitter: "Suri Cruise started Scientology School. Hope she’ll grow up to be just like Daddy. You know, talented & into men!" (lmfao)

this isn't the first time around for her, last year in the GLBT webzine Watermark Online, Lisa outed not only Cruise but J. Travolta, K. Alley, and L. Remini. She also jokes about Cruise frequently in her stand-up act, saying he likes to "take it up the ass".

Yeppir
Yeppir

Fleadumb Mag could have hired one of those characaturists who work the boardwalk and will draw your picture for five bucks - I think this picture is incomprehensible, frankly.

And really, to properly include ALL of the people it needed to include, they would have been better served by a "Where's Waldo" poster.

Theoracle
Theoracle

"And let me tell you, it's not often that Scientologists are ever funny or clever."That was real clever right Tony?

Elronious
Elronious

Hubbard cant even follow his own script. OT3  Jesus Christ is a implant , then OT8 he is a angry pedofile

F_Randy_Hullabaloo
F_Randy_Hullabaloo

That cartoon is not going to win the cult many friends in the Christian community. Depicting Jesus and the Apostles as a "bunch of suppressive persons" is off-the-wall -- way to go Freedom.

Amy
Amy

In this cartoon from left to right: 1. Tom Cruise, 2. Tommy Davis, 3. Russ Bellin, 4. Marc Yager, 5. Gary Weise, 6. Debbie Cook, 7. Guillaume Lesevre, 8. Mark Ingber, 9. Greg Wilhere, 10. Jennifer Linson, 11. Kurt Weiland, 12. Ray Mithoff, 13. Norman Starkey.

Caption: "We all know that David Miscavige is an abusive little dick-tater who beats people while they're on their knees, sitting in a chair or have their backs turned -- but we are so completely cowed and WAY too involved in the criminality ourselves to walk away or do anything about it. At least we can blame those who DID leave and report the abuse to the authorities and the press for our pathetic condition."

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

Even though the news items in this post are depressing, the humor in the writing made me laugh and smile, which is what we need to survive this crap!  Thanks for more great reporting, Tony.  I'm starting to have pre-withdrawal anxiety and dread over the Top 25 series ending.  You're going to keep posting Scn news a few times a week, RIGHT??  You guys -- we have to * KTW * !!  Keep Tony Working !!  ;-D

Howard Roark
Howard Roark

What a weak for the elite paramilitary force of planet Earth!  Sounds like there are going to be some more beat downs in the Sea Org this weekend.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

I don't think the large person left of Wright is Amy Scobee, I think it is Mark Fisher.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

2nd In from the left end might be a poorly drawn Bryan Seymour. 

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

3rd in from the left end might be Andrew Morton.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

To Chris Guilder, thanks for speaking up publicly and filing your complaint against the church. Have a good life and enjoy time with your family :)

Re: Stephen Cox: This is so pathetic. Another broken marriage, broken family, empty pockets and auditing brainwashing. Bet that money he gave the church was supposed to go to his wife as part of the divorce settlement. Hope she shows the video and this article in divorce court.

Re: Gur Finkelstein & the Tel Aviv org. I'm waiting for him to turn against the church and spill the beans on it's involvement in the paying off of people to arson the building ( before he got caught doing the other crimes related or not to the building.) Finklestein is just another Scientology lawyer doing Scientology's dirty work.

On the cartoon: when the Church of Scientology shows its distain for people like this and for Christianity, by mocking it, its just one more nail in the coffin of a dying cult.

Yeppir
Yeppir

Ok. Hold on a minute. The Jesus figure (sorry, not getting a likeness), but is he holding a friggin' lady's purse in his hand? Or am I going to LensCrappers tomorow?

Janet
Janet

Would that be jason with the glasses and paul  haggis on the far right?

LocalSP1
LocalSP1

You know the US government handed Jim Bakker his hat with far less evidence than they have on Miscavige. What's up with that?

Arielle
Arielle

Third one from the left is Steven Hassan.

Arielle
Arielle

I dare to say that behind Rathbun in a baseball cap and Mark Bunker,there is Janet Reitman. She is right behind them to the right.

mjm
mjm

is Tony Robbins, the motivational guru a Scientologist? Kirstie Alley retweeted a twitter message of Robbins' regarding Scientologist rapper Chili EB's anti-psych and anti-drugs single. Robbins is pals with Scientologist Amanda Holden.

GarryS
GarryS

It is noteworthy that when the psychotic dwarf Miscavige ordered Chris Guider to beat a fellow Scientologist & staff member up, he looked Miscavige in the eyes and refused.  He was beaten for his disobedience. When DM ordered Marty Rathbun to beat someone up, he willfully complied, but now claims he wasn't responsible because he was only following orders. (Nuremberg defense).  That’s why many have no sympathy for Marty.. There are some things that decent & honorable people like Chris Guider wouldn't do, regardless of the consequences. Chris is a hero in my book.

 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

I just read Steven Cox's emails to his scammers, and it almost made me cry. This is a man who is in trouble - his life is in chaos, and he is grasping at straws to feel some sense of connection to God and the world, some sense of doing the *right* thing.  He clearly wants his life to make sense and mean something, and he feels he can do that by trying to help others.

 There are so many directions he could have gone to do that - he could have ended up with a Christian church, or with Amnesty International or Save the Children or Oxfam or any group that would help him to channel his desire to make a difference into...actually...making a difference.  Any of those groups would have been thrilled to have him donate his time and money, and turned it into legitimate HELP for people who need it. None of those groups would have taken ALL his money and made him go into debt, of course - they would likely have given him some help in figuring how much he could afford, without causing himself financial harm. And they would have helped people.

Instead he ends up with - Scientology.  The one group that will take all his money and MORE, putting him into a debt that he can never get out of, and use its ill-gotten gains to...buy real estate, perform nutty "auditing" on people for the purpose of convincing them they need to donate more of their own money to, and finance the extravagantly opulent lifestyle of a celebrity-chasing psychopathic midget. They will eventually convince him that his idea of "God" doesn't exist, and will drive him insane with notions of untold numbers of alien souls clinging to his body like swarming gnats.  Not a single person will be helped.

The irony is so sad it's almost incomprehensible.

barbara graham
barbara graham

This is exactly the line used by Scientology to lure well-meaning people into the cult.

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

Hey nice to know your still around! Thanks for all the great documentation you left for us anons to find, its served us well on more than one occaision. /SALUTE!

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Hey Amy,   In 1994, when ASI was being kinda leaderless and passing the blame to Int Management for some the typical blame game that went on all the time at the top ranks, DM had an illustration/comic picture drawn and sent to ASI to be shown at ASI muster to all ASI staff, which was a combination comic face.   The face was clearly a mix of Norman Starkey's face (Norman was Executive Director Author Services Inc at that moment), and the bottom half of the face was John Allcock's grinning smile (John was Deputy Executive Director Internal, John was then "removed" from DED Internal ASI, and months later Norman and his wife who was Norman's "communicator/secretary" were removed and sent to Int to do 'decks" work out by Old Gilman House, etc.)).   

But I think you nailed it on the faces.   But, history I've seen, also shows sometimes these comic mocking illustrations are a mix of several people.   Anyways, what a way for a religious leader to be entertained, to have these Freedom Mags put out that really only humor the Scientology top dog!    Such glutz PR and such Mission Earth vintage PR disaster work, and DM just doesn't see how this recoils on the movement.  

Which is another reason I feel that the MEDIA (newspapers, mags, TV, book-authors, and I squeeze in academia/scholars to a certain degree since they WRITE books) are society's LONGTERM most effective check on groups like Scientology.   (Which is why I pushed/push people PLEASE talk to media, forever, until Scientology reforms itself.) 

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Putting them together like that does make sense. It's funny that the two figures at either end of the table seem to be so hard to recognize. You'd think they'd have to be fairly significant.

Theoracle
Theoracle

Anyway, Thanks for being up front with the blanket animosity towards Scientologists.I was taking your reporting the wrong way.  I thought it was all about justice and truth crusading. My bad.

Sid
Sid

 Amy - that is pure genius.

You win the caption competition.

candace6
candace6

Am I the only one who sees the resemblance between the Jesus guy and an Elvis impersonator?  For that matter, does anyone else think the 2nd and 3rd figures from the right appear to be a normal guy with a parasitic twin? 

Yeppir
Yeppir

That's a good point. I dunno. Maybe it's because Co$ members are willing to perjure themselves to "save the planet." Jim Baker? Maybe notsomuch. Note to self: when starting a new religion, find a way to make all members happily willing to commit a felony on your behalf."

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Agreed, the long dark haired person I took to be Janet Reitman.

Arielle
Arielle

And I think it's Headly behind Rathbun, not Bunker. So now I'm kind of puzzled. Where is Bunker and Arnie Lerma?

Jorge
Jorge

Yes of course Tony Robbins is a scientologist- watch his coaching videos when he tells people to close their eyes and "go to the time when.." pure auditing session in scientology. Just not good publicity for him to announce that publicly and give credit to L Ron Hubbard. Anthony Robbins took parts of scientology and changed some words but basically the same technics to handle phobia, life patterns etc. 

Jgg
Jgg

No, but Kevin "natural cures" Trudeau is.

Guest
Guest

Tony Robbins is the celebrity voice behind "The Oneness Movement" out of India.  He donated part of his island paradise to host "Oneness" trainings. 

He created a schism within this movement a few years ago between the founder and his son.  The son went with Tony.  The founder stayed his course and kept the movement as open as possible.

Tony is definitely not part of the scientology movement as far as I know although might have friends inside.

robert
robert

A hero, huh?

Well, I suppose if we forget about the things he did when he was in, as MAA.  Let's just forget that he cost Maureen Bolstad three years of her life- that it is he that tackled her and sat on her to prevent her from escaping.  That even on the Martyworld blog, where they acknowledge him, there are some that can't help but mention the "improper handlings" he dealt out.

Has Chris apologized publicly for any of this? If so, I would like to know because I haven't seen it.  Also, unlike Marty, he is out much more recently and has information on crimes that are within the statute of limitations.  Has he talked about them yet?  Don't sling around hero so lightly, particularly someone who in my estimation needs a lot more talking and more apologizing to do...

scifibandit
scifibandit

I know a woman who had some IAS Sea Org registrars come to her house, and after a 24-hour mental siege, convince her to take out a second mortgage on her house and donate 100K to the IAS. She did this and has since never financially recovered, even though this incident happened about 10 years ago.

The real insanity is, she's still a scientologist! (however, has not advanced beyond the point she was at the time) How do they convince people that donating money that they don't have is the right thing to do... despite Ron's policy that states that no one should spend on credit???

They do it through compliments, through temporarily making the victim think they are super-heroes. Like Steven Cox, they put them on a pedestal (and let them make public speeches!) and make them think they are 'the man of the hour' for doing something so huge. The ultimate problem is that they are soon forgotten for their valiant donating efforts, and soon the blame for their failing finances boils down to 'their own responsibility for their own condition,' a convenient cop-out for the church to take after exploiting a person's kindness and willingness to 'do the right thing.' 

They don't even use the money to audit people... it costs nothing to audit people, especially since the staff members delivering it get paid nothing... Instead, they use the money to throw parties for Tom Cruise, buy first class tickets for DM, pay for his numerous vehicles, buy empty buildings that will wait forever for remodeling, and follow 'apostates' around to collect dirty laundry. Ugh, it's so tragic! I am sad that Shakespeare  is no longer around to create the ultimate tragedy centered around the victims of this organization. Then there would at least be some 'poetic justice.'

Roggy McGee
Roggy McGee

Thank you for articulating this, LeeAnne.  I totally agree with what you've said.  I've often had this lingering thought that there are two types of people overwhelmingly drawn to Scientology: individuals who need psychological/psychiatric help, and individuals who want to help others, often in a psychological way.

Cox, like Lisa McPherson before him, is a troubled individual, trying to regain control of his life by using the seemingly scientific and systematic methods touted by Scientology.  Cox would benefit greatly from some counseling and group therapy.  Unfortunately, sunk costs will probably compel him to remain bound like Prometheus to Scientology.  I pray that money is the worst thing he loses.

Marty Rathbun strikes me as a man who should have ended up a counselor or psychologist, had he not been taken in by Scientology.  In Inside Scientology, Reitman mentions that Marty's brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, and his search for answers about his brother was what initially drew him to Scientology.  (Aside- I wonder if his brother was ever successfully treated by psychiatrists.  Reitman also mentions that his brother was later murdered, perhaps living on the streets, untreated?)  Unfortunately, Marty was too naive to know that he should have enrolled in Psychology 101 for answers, and avoided taking that damn personality test.  I think his desire to help others is one of many reasons why he squirrels.  In his mind, he believes that auditing helps people overcome their (psychological) problems, in essence behaving as a pseudo-psychologist.

It is indeed a perverse irony that individuals who need help and individuals who want to help are drawn together in Scientology, yet those who need help are harmed, and those who want to help end up hurting.

Warrior
Warrior

You're very welcome; I'm glad I could be of assistance. I'm still around, doing big things in the background these days. If there's anything I can do to help, feel free to send an email via the link on my website at warrior[dot]xenu[dot]ca

Warrior
Warrior

You're very welcome. I'm glad I could be of help. I'm still in the game, doing big things behind the scenes, most of which I don't talk about publicly. I can still be contacted via the email link on my website -- warrior.xenu.ca

Theoracle
Theoracle

What the hell did I ever do to you to be slandered this way just because I am a Scientologist? And you are parading on "higher ground"?   Get real!  No wonder you are so curious about injustice, you are in the same fucking bag!

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

On the other hand, there is Paul Haggis and Paul Thomas Anderson. Perhaps no "Tempest" will ensue from the ruckus that LRH started, but I have no doubt that the big screen's telling of the tale will feature some extraordinary work from many of Hollywood's best and brightest. Considering Hubbard's sweaty embrace of Hollywood, there must be some justice in that:

http://cigsandredvines.blogspo...

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Y'know, in a way I understand the desire for people who feel lost in chaos to want to turn to something that presents itself as "scientific". No wiggle room...no gray areas...linear...specific procedures, with "guaranteed' (yeah right) results. When someone feels like so much in their life is out of control, the idea of something so regimented and orderly can be very appealing.

The thing is, life is just not like that. Especially when it comes to our minds, thoughts, emotions. You can't avoid the gray areas. Life exists in the gray areas BETWEEN the gray areas. Scientology preys on people who THINK they need what it offers, but in fact need the exact opposite.

It's tragic really. We make lots of jokes in here, but reading Cox's emails literally brought me to tears, and reminded me of how WRONG this sick cult is.

It needs to be stopped.

scifibandit
scifibandit

Me, too. Reading his email made me feel ill. To listen to him justify his donation through an imaginary talk with God made me understand how deep those scars can cut when someone who was otherwise financially stable suddenly realizes how vulnerable he's become under the chains of debt. 

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