Scientology Apotheosis: Commenters of the Week!

"How did we get left out of the countdown?"
Well, this was a week we've been looking forward to for some time here in the underground bunker. And now that we've finally finished our big countdown, there's a slight feeling of letdown here at Scientology-watching central. Even the cats are listless.

But let's look back at a week that was. We started things out Saturday afternoon with the intriguing mystery of Biggi Reichert, a German Scientologist whose suicide left behind some interesting questions.

On Monday, we revealed #3 in our countdown, former high-level church executive Marty Rathbun. It proved a controversial choice, but we knew things would get even hotter when we reached the top of our list.

Later that day, we caught up with some interesting drama happening in San Francisco. Our sister paper, SF Weekly, is covering a hot story about a mole inside the SF org who says that he or she has been turned by the protests by Anonymous.

Wednesday was our countdown's big day. That morning, we revealed that David Miscavige was our choice for #2, and then only a couple of hours later named the Top Person Crippling Scientology -- the founder, the old man, the commodore himself, L. Ron Hubbard! Then, two hours later, we published the results of our readers poll, and Miscavige took back the crown, at least with our loyal readers.

Whew, what a day. Well, after all that excitement, we took a deep breath and then on Thursday did a roundup of other stories we'd had to ignore: a revealing look at Delphian, the elite Scientology high school in Oregon, and other interesting pieces.

And finally, yesterday we took another look at the intriguing San Francisco leaker, and this time asked Amy Scobee to interpret the information coming out of the SF org.

So while we continue to deal with our countdown hangover, let's go to the awards!

After we recited some of the facts in the strange death of Biggi Reichert, an OT VIII Scientologist, our comments section was thrown for a loop by the sarcastic stylings of Miles Biondo. Some of us, at least, recognized his entry for the brilliant satire that it was...

It's weird how being at Cause over Matter, Energy, Space and Time isn't enough to keep some people from killing themselves. Or perhaps she just dropped her body so she could continue her advanced OT work unencumbered by the human body's pathetic limitations. Either way, this is not $cientology's fault, because the Tech WORKS. Just look at the magnificent careers of Geoffrey Lewis, Jenna Elfman and Kirstie Alley, all of whom are sitting at the very pinnacle of Show Business, enjoying the spoils of their superhuman talents and Homo Novis abilities, as well as  the great respect and admiration of their peers, and all because of $cientology. LRH!

Our countdown piece on Marty Rathbun inspired quite a lot of argument. Despite our efforts to make it plain that we were placing him #3 on the list purely for the threat he poses to the official Scientology, many commenters were angry because of Rathbun's history with the church. We thought this comment by xoxoxoxoxoxox captured best that sentiment:

Tony Ortega's portrait of Marty is heavily airbrushed. Marty is still, unfortunately, a victim of cult mind control. He still believes in Hubbard's "suppressive person" doctrine, and he still seeks to white-wash Hubbard so that he can tie objectionable features of scientology (RPF, disconnection, fair game, physical abuse) to Miscavige. Marty is doing good work in the fight against Miscavige and the "church" of scientology; but by lying about Hubbard and pushing the "tech" he's also working to perpetuate the evil of scientology.

On the other hand, there was this counterargument by regular reader and countdown resident Scott Pilutik:

Marty's war with DM is a good thing. Miscavige's abuses do need scrutiny and Marty is providing it to an extent no other person is presently capable of. Marty has effectively painted a huge target on his back. Miscavige should be concerned about any one of a hundred other problems in Scientology but instead he appears to be personally bent on destroying Marty (which Marty knows, and which serves to dictate how Marty operates). If this were a rational war, Miscavige might address the disaffection within his organization instead of Marty, but we've seen how Scientology defends itself, this should be no surprise. It's nevertheless lamentable that Marty is only #3 on this list. Not that I'm not arguing with where he finished; this is about right. But if Marty was more credible, he could've been a far greater threat--an actual legal threat--to Miscavige and the Church of Scientology. And because Marty, along with Mike Rinder, may have been the last of the possible great whistleblowers, we'll likely never see the organization taken down with a criminal investigation. The most realistic scenario we can hope for now is a slow death of financial paper cuts.

Wednesday morning, we named David Miscavige to the #2 position in the countdown. We couldn't help laughing out loud when we saw this comment, supposedly by DM's wife, Shelly Miscavige:

Can someone tell David he can let me out now! I've been locked up for years, I don't even know how long anymore! Heber Jentzsch is down here too and he's beginning to smell real bad!

The real fireworks of the week, however, went down at the post where we named L. Ron Hubbard the top dog in our countdown. At this point, there are more than 600 comments as independent Scientologists defend LRH from his critics.

First, we got a chuckle out of this comment by Peter:

The best thing the Church can do, from a PR standpoint, is to officially declare L Ron Hubbard a Suppressive Person.

Of the indies defending Hubbard, perhaps no one worked as feverishly as Margaret. We thought this comment was the best, most succinct announcement of her position:

"I hope the independent scilons read this and weep..." I only weep for those incapable of looking at Hubbard and Scientology from all sides. I find it sad that there are those stuck in these extremist views of "must love everything about Hubbard" and "must hate everything about Hubbard", creating a thought-stopping pattern which makes it impossible to understand why people find Scientology auditing and the basic philosophy of Scientology -- as created by Hubbard -- so useful, decades after Hubbard's death and/or their leaving the church.

The independents tended to say that Hubbard's notorious biographical fabrications were irrelevant, that his ideas about the mind were what mattered. We thought this was an interest challenge to that position, again by xoxoxoxoxoxox:

If Hubbard were a mathematician, or a nuclear physicist (ha), or a novelist, or a musician, or a footballer, the quality of his work would stand for itself and his character defects would be irrelevant to the evaluation of that work. But Hubbard was supposed to be a spiritual leader, to have made discoveries relevant for a process of self-transformation. The fact that he was unable to transform himself into a passably decent human being surely indicates the emptiness of his supposed discoveries in that field.

We thought BennyShackleford caught the general mood Wednesday evening, as many of us waited to see how Marty Rathbun would react to the Hubbard post:

I may actually read Marty's blog for the first time when he responds to this one. Or maybe he'll just instruct his followers to not read the list anymore. Great list, by the way.

And then we were overjoyed to see Marcotai show up and leave a lengthy comment. I immediately posted a comment, saying that now, with Marcotai's message, the countdown was truly finished. Fortunately, he responded:

"This series is now a thing for the ages" Yes, the ages of the apes.

I must thank LeeAnne Clarke for her quick response, which truly and finally wraps up the countdown, as well as our awards this week:

Marco, I think I love you. In a totally creepy way.

Thank you all! A programming note: I'm headed to LA and Orange counties in California for a week, but I should manage to do some posting. So keep those tips coming!

The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord

Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications. | @VoiceTonyO | Facebook: Tony Ortega

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[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]


[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
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[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]


[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]


[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]


[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
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Wow! I was in Tony's "Commenters of the Week" post two weeks in a row - I feel honored! ;-)

I have to say I totally agree with the feeling of let-down now that the count-down is over. I was addicted! I can only hope that Scientology continues doing the mind-bogglingly-stupid things that it does, producing enough material for Tony to keep on posting updates. The entertainment factor is just over-the-top, and I can't bear the thought of not having something new and fresh to read every day or two.


I concur, I love you in the creepy stalker way!


Nicely written post.  Thank you.  Pat

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Tony, you certainly got #1 and 2 right.  Dynamite reporting!


This was a terrific week. Still trying to catch up to all the article you wrote, Tony!


That comment by "xoxoxoxoxoxox" says it all for me, in response to Margaret's elitist Scilon logic-from-outer-space, where everything is very Hubbard-tech supportive.

The whole 25-crippling series has filled an important void, giving perspective and form to the long varied history of Scientology criticism, which after all, has existed parallel to the development of Scientology. Up until recently, it has been ruthlessly suppressed. The cult can't control like it used to, because of the Internet.

The experience of a single critic, like Paulette Cooper or Astra Woodcraft, says a lot more than than thousands of people who think they have super powerz or think they would have remained shy and powerless, without "the tech." Or the people now, who dump thousands on Scientology, thinking it is the "only way to save the planet."

An important aspect of Scientology was Hubbard's attacking and ruining the critic covertly. The average person would have no idea they do this type of thing. Today, this is particularly contrary to most people's concept of "spirituality." Tony laid out the whole history of this dynamic within the organization. It was no glossy treatment at all. Tony's article on #1 Hubbard may even become a classic.


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Tony providing xoxo...'s quote: "The fact that he was unable to transform himself into a passably decent human being surely indicates the emptiness of his supposed discoveries in that field" and MarkStark's replying:"...[that] says it all for me."

I do concede that that is indeed an excellent -- perhaps the best -- argument against Hubbard and Scientology.  And I can't blame people for just stopping there and not looking any further.

I also concede that my simply pointing to Newton and Einstein as similar examples of "wild, imaginative thinkers" and/or "uneducated", doesn't fly.  Neither Newton nor Einstein claimed to have provided the best solutions for "ethics" or "freedom" or "happiness" -- and so it is completely true that we should hold Hubbard to a different standard.  We should, using this argument, expect to see in Hubbard THE prime example and standard bearer of ethics, freedom and happiness.

And so, we could end the argument right there.  But unfortunately (or fortunately), the real world of examples does not end with Newton or Einstein.  In the world around us -- today's world, and in our daily lives -- that standard that we wish to impose on Hubbard, does simply not hold up.  The author of our US Constitution and a strong advocate for individual liberty and "the pursuit of happiness" -- the individual to which the United States has built monuments and whose works our halls of learning require deep study -- owned slaves:   he treated his fellow human beings like cattle.

And if examples were to end there, perhaps we could even forgive Jefferson and still claim that Hubbard was different.  Hubbard claimed to have stood for more -- "the very essence of love and ethics" the Scientologists (and he) loudly claim.  But yet, the Western world's most influential bearer of "love and peace" is quoted as saying: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."  This same individual, if we believe the historical recountings, could also be seen literally whipping innocent men and women, and throwing around tables in a fit of fury.

"Context", the supporters of Jefferson and Jesus respond.  Indeed. Context.  Context in history, in circumstance and context within the overall message.  And a healthy dose of recognizing that all humans are imperfect.  Even great humans.  Even humans that claim to have the answers to love, freedom and ethics.


Whit all Tony writing/expose about Scientology, how come  the petition to investigate the church not garner a huge number of signatures?


The flaw in your analogy between Jefferson the slave-owner and Hubbard the RPF-creator is that no one in America still defends slavery, except Scientologists that is. Scientologists still defend Hubbard and the slavery of the RPF.

Until Scientologists themselves start calling for an end to this evil practice, and until Scientologists stop excusing the real human harm that Hubbard did to real people's lives, the fight will not end. Scientology will have no peace until it gives this up.


sketto.  I'm a Scientologist.  I am officially demanding an end to the RPF.  I am officially demanding an end to enforced disconnection.  I am officially demanding an end to labeling someone a "suppressive person" for simply disagreeing, breaking innocuous rules and/or otherwise NOT being a genuine "suppressive person" (as defined by the initial description of it, and not by the SP Acts list).

I want the FBI to investigate Miscavige and the Church of Scientology thoroughly, and I want him, and his cohorts, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, using RICO statutes and any other justice tools available. 

I want the "church" of Scientology reformed in a comprehensive, meaningful way, with thoughtful, experienced (real world experienced, not just Scientology experienced), compassionate individuals (who are not fanatical) put in place as leaders, and who allow ALL Scientologists to participate in the effort of reform.  All voices should be heard and considered, including "Anonymous" and anyone else who wishes to participate.

That's what I stand for.

Will it happen?  I have no idea.  Maybe if that petition gets enough signatures, it will.

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