Scientology Raided, Smacked Down in Court, and Accused of Killing Trees -- a Thursday Roundup

Yes, the video we're embedding here is in Russian, (Update: there are now English subtitles, press the "cc" button) but the action is understandable enough: Moscow law enforcement raiding the Church of Scientology there, and getting rather medieval on its locked doors.

We made a rare foray out of the underground bunker this week, and what a strange trip it's been. On a school visit, we created controversy just by our very presence, and it doesn't even have to do with our Scientology watching! A note about that later. For now, we hear the cats are OK back at the bunker, so we're going to try to keep to our regular schedule with our weekly Thursday 2pm Stats report, in which we decide whether it's been an upstat or downstat week for the church.

First, to Moscow, where things seem to be getting rather hardcore for Scientology's continued existence.

We had reported earlier that a Moscow court had judged L. Ron Hubbard's writings to be extremist literature. And now, apparently, officials there are taking the next step.

Have to say, these pictures are pretty startling. A news story from a Russian website sheds no light on the matter, saying the nature of the investigation really is unknown.

Any help from readers on the words being spoken in the video would be of great help (and I know some of our loyal commenters are familiar with the language, so please chime in).

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? I know this looks very bad for Scientology, but I warned when news first reached us about the Russian court judgment that banning Hubbard's books had serious backlash potential. Hubbard's books are extremely dumb, and will lower your IQ by significant amounts just trying to get through them, but extremist? There are plenty of reasons for the government to be concerned about the practices and abuses of Scientology. But its books? Harmless nonsense. This could end up a big upstat for the church in the long run.


Story #2: Expansion plans smacked down

Despite its dwindling numbers, Scientology can't seem to cure its real estate fever.

In Sandy Springs, Georgia, however, that urge to expand has been put in check. A judge there denied Scientology's request to add an extra floor to its church there.

Scientology, naturally, is crying about its freedom of religion being violated, but at least somewhere -- in a suburb of Atlanta, at least -- some government officials aren't bending over for an organization that never saw a local rule it didn't intend to break.

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? This seems a pretty clear downstat situation for the church. Stories about them fighting the city to expand a building will only get the locals reading into what Scientology is all about, and that never ends well.


Story #3: OSA hates trees?

Over at Marty Rathbun's blog, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder told a fascinating tale this week claiming that his boss, a man named Robert Almblad, has been getting the usual OSA harassment treatment. even though he's never been in Scientology or said a word about the church (Oops. Didn't read Rinder's piece carefully enough, I guess. Almblad was in Scientology. But he's clearly being targeted because he employs Rinder. I'll have more on this story when I get back to town.)

Almblad is being targeted, it seems, merely because he employs a man, Rinder, who is a huge threat to Scientology.

I'm hoping to talk to Almblad directly about this after I return home, but in the meantime, I have to say my favorite part of Rinder's story was his assertion that when OSA goons wanted to keep an eye on Almblad's office but found that there were some mature oak trees blocking the view from their perch, the trees mysteriously were chainsawed in the middle of the night.

Now that's low.

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? OSA thuggery is always a major downstat for the church when it's made public. I mean, why is a church involved in this kind of skullduggery, even if it doesn't like a former member speaking out? And especially when someone, like Almblad, has no connection to Scientology whatsoever?

Overall, a down week for the church, I'd say. And an odd one for your narrator. I came to Southern California for a visit at my alma mater, Cal State Fullerton, where I've been visiting classes and talking about the state of journalism in this economic morass. Tonight, there will be a social event held by the alumni association, and they've been good enough to name me the host. (I won't even be speaking; I'm just there to mingle with folks and maybe give a sentence or two publicly in thanks.) We learned earlier in the week, however, that an activist group is using the opportunity to put on a protest -- and no, it appears to have nothing to do with our Scientology watching. One of the groups that doesn't like the adult ads you find in the Voice is calling me a pimp. Well, I've been called worse. We hear CNN may even be sending over a crew, but it's hard to imagine that my having a few drinks with fellow alumni really rises to the level of national news. I'll let you know what happens!



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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SCIENTOLOGY IN THE VILLAGE VOICE

[All recent stories] | [Top 25 People Crippling Scientology] | [Commenters of the Week]

FEATURED INVESTIGATIONS

[Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis secretly recorded discussing "disconnection"]
[Benjamin Ring, LA deputy sheriff, wants you to spend your 401K on Scientology]
[Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?]

MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

[Scientology has Rathbun arrested] | [Rathbun and Mark Bunker reveal surprising ties]
In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
[Character actor Jason Beghe defects noisily] | [Actor Michael Fairman reveals his "suppressive person" declaration] | [Michael Fairman talks to the Voice]
[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
[Scientology High School, Dating and Super Powers!]

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88 comments
Mike
Mike

Guess you failed to mention the EU High Court battle won by Scientology.  And I cannot understand why even a hardcore critic would endorse such an action by a notable police state with suspect elections.  So typical...report facts, not hyperbole...

janecollins
janecollins

my sisters friend makes $50 an hour on the computer. She has been out of job for 9 months but last month her cheque was $6200 just working on the internet for a few hours. Read about it here CashHard.com

TickTockDM
TickTockDM

There is a subtitled YouTube version of the NTV video about the Moscow police raid: v=jyI_YJeO9PY

Click on CC on the YouTube bar at the bottom to see the subtitles.

Anon A
Anon A

I'm sure there's going to be a separate article on this, but just to add to the mix of downstats for Scientology, the CoS just paid up the $413,000 penalty fee to the city of Clearwater for delays on their "Super Power" building.  If they had delayed one more day, the fee would have risen to $450,000.Good to see that even in Clearwater, Scientology seems to be losing its power to intimidate.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Tony, on the Sandy Springs land issue, this is a lawsuit brought by the Church of Scientology Georgia against the City of Sandy Springs for violating their civil rights in regards to the zoning of the property they bought. The the judge ruled in what is the first step of this case, that the church has no case to oppose the City because they bought the property with the exisiting zoning which prevented them from expanding the building because of parking and other environmental concerns the zoning law covers.

The next step is the discrimination case the church brought against the City of Sandy Springs. This will most likely get thrown out because it is based upon the first step of the case and it's clear that the City of Sandy Springs did not discriminate against the church when it ruled they could not expand the building in violation of existing zoning law.

Readers can read up on the history of this over at Reaching For The Tipping Point forum, where many Atlanta area and other critics have been keeping up on the case. Lots of docs, videos 2.h t t p :/ / forum . reachingforthetippingpoint . net/index.php /board,16.0 . html

nexusthe
nexusthe

THEY PULLED IT IN THEY PULLED IT IN THEY PULLED IT IN  .... (sorry for shouting). I'm convinced that this video will make the day for those who have been raided in the past at the request of Scientology.The reporter seems to be mainly curious, not disrespectful, and does his best to explain his observations to his viewers - just doing his job. IMHO the perplexed staff member who is asked about name and phone number is just following his instructions when telling that he doesn't know. And I suppose that "The Keymasters" were just a tiny bit too reluctant to hand over the keys and changed their mind when it became obvious that this wouldn't prevent the OMONs from going through the doors.Whatever comes out of it, THEY pulled it in.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Reminds me of the Lerma and Erlich raids by the church aided US agencies back in the 1990s. This Russian raid occurred because the church there ignored and violated the law. They kept and sold books that are on the national ban list there. While I don't agree that governments should be banning books, I fully understand why they did this. The law is the law and the church broke the law. It was just a year and a 1/2 ago when this ban was in the news.

Russia bans Scientology literaturePublished: April 22, 2010 at 6:27 PMMOSCOW, April 22 (UPI) -- Russia is adding the works of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard to its list of extremist literature, the Russian attorney general's office says.The Prosecutor General's Office said Wednesday Scientology materials qualify as "undermining the traditional spiritual values of the citizens of the Russian Federation," The Moscow Times reported. People found holding extremist materials can be held for up to 15 days or fined $100.The issue had been initiated by transport prosecutors in the Siberian city of Surgut and Khanty-Mansiysk customs officers, the newspaper said.Prosecutors said they obtained 28 works by Hubbard, including books and audio and video recordings, sent to residents of Surgut from the United States. The prosecutors said "psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists" who reviewed the materials determined they should not be distributed in Russia.The prosecutors said in a statement the seized works contained "ideas justifying violence in general and in particular any means of opposing critics of Scientology. The works, they said, "have clear as well as hidden calls for social and religious hatred" and call for hindering state goals.h t t p :/ / w w w . upi . com / Top_News/US/2010/04/22/Russia-bans-Scientology-literature/UPI-47381271975222/#ixzz1a5bbK290

Hgc
Hgc

Against the cult, but I gotta say, I'm against book banning a whole lot more. Even to the point where I would not dismiss this abomination with, "the law is the law." Just sayin'

Xenu
Xenu

"The prosecutors said 'psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists' who reviewed the materials determined they should not be distributed in Russia."

So after 60 years of screaming that psychiatrists were conspiring against them, they have finally, in one corner of the world, managed to make it come true?  I'm at a loss for words.

Sid
Sid

It's kind of ironic in a way. This is the way I would expect a government might react to Scientology when it completely and fully understands the danger it poses to its population, especially a government which doesn't exactly promote free-speech.

However, such behavior towards Scientology has never helped the cause of eliminating Scientology fraud and abuse. It can generate sympathy for the cult, and you just know that it will be used by senior church management to demonstrate to its loyal followers just how severely "under attack" it is.

Because of actions like this, all criticism the church receives can we waved away as the activities of a world-wide conspiracy of "haters".

I can just imagine the letter Tom Cruise is writing to the US state department right now. I can just imagine the video that is being constructed to show to Scientologists of the dire need of more funds to fend off the haters.

And at the other end of the spectrum we have the US government letting the church behave in exactly the way it wants to. We need more Nick Xenophons.

Sid
Sid

Tony

Please do not rule out Scientology as some kind of motivating cause behind this protest.

Mia
Mia

Just wondering. Where is Margaret?

Yeppir
Yeppir

I get the feeling that "Marg Mesa" is the SAME MARGaret, just ostensibly a new and improved "independent" Margaret.

Just saying.

Theoracle
Theoracle

Just more people caught up in Miscavige's motivator flow.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Almost 6 pm here. I'm at the venue, a lovely historic house on the edge of the Cal State Fullerton campus. It's called the Golleher House, for what it's worth. The event is supposed to begin in about a half hour. Across the street, I can see about fifteen protesters holding signs. I'm too far away to see what is written on the signs. I'm told that a couple of campus groups have joined the protest. Well, good for them. They are well-intentioned folks, if nothing else. And I love a good protest. Never had one aimed at me before, though.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

For more updates, go to my FB author page: facebook (dor) com/pages/Tony-Ortega/196428147077253

Cam
Cam

Would you feel safe enough to order a sandwich, have it delivered, and go sit down amongst the protesters and have a meal, chat with them?

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

It's not really a matter of safety. They look like nice folks. I just have an obligation to host this event that Cal State flew me over for.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Welcome to Occupy Ortega :)

Heh. Just occurred to me who *else* are called '1%ers' :)

Let your freak flag fly

Kirin
Kirin

OMG how jealous am I of that russian with the sledge hammer?  Incorporate (a) busting stuff up, with (b) the stuff belongs to evil brain-washing scientologists.  It's a perfect combination, and an AWESOME video.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

It's a little tiny 'Org' in Russia.  One with practically none of the real 'dirt'.  If and when we have the US Raids they'll have Gilman Hot Springs, 3 Vault Sites, the LA Complex and satellite buildings, Twin Peaks, Clearwater and probably a half dozen *other* sites we don't know about yet.

Still, it's a start.

(and, I'm more interested in *preserving* the evidence than destroying it... Right Marty?)

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

I haven't heard or seen any specific evidence of this, but I agree with you Miles.  I would not put it past the cult to conduct a secret campaign against Tony.  It's disgusting, and frankly, it's embarassing to be a Scientologist (albeit an independent one) with this kind of shit going on.

Kirin
Kirin

L Ron Hubbard would never have acted that way, digging up dirt to use against a critic.  That would be totally uncharacteristic of him!  He was more of a "Fair Game" guy, after all. 

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

Touche' Kirin.  I guess you could say I aspire to the best of Hubbard, not the worst.  Or at least I try.

Sid
Sid

Marg

From what I have read of your postings, you have already well exceeded the best of Hubbard. You seem honest, and you seem genuine.

Sid.

robert
robert

I forget exactly when this was but when Russia banned Scientology books, Anonymous actually released a press release logging an objection, because of the strong conviction that no one should be banning books.

From the perspective of Russia, they argue Scientology, quite correctly, could be viewed as anti-Government, as it is the stated purpose of "clearing the planet" and the abundently clear desire to take over the world.

That said, the way to go about it is to prosecute the actions not ban the books.

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

robert wrote: "the way to go about it is to prosecute the actions not ban the books." I hope you mean prosecuting "illegal actions" and not "clearing" people.  If it's the latter, then that's just as bad as banning books imho.  If it's the former, then that's not only a good idea, but I'd even be in favor of working to tighten-up laws around the world, as Australia is doing; and in the US, prosecuting the cult using RICO laws.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

I would assume it's more about 'Clearing the Planet', rather than 'clearing people', once one assumes that they're adults and at least *able* to see the 'enemy line'.  Children are a more problematic aspect; one I don't see an answer for.

One of the answers I offer when asked why I give a fuck about Scientology, despite never having been in is this:

'They tried to Clear My Planet without asking my permission'.

Actually, things are more complicated than that by now, but, as a starting point, it's pretty exact.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

But the tech is still the same tech and the tech is faulty—why not move on to something more intelligent, like total Agnosticism? 

We are not receptacles for a collection of freeze-dried alien souls, we are human beings, primates. We don't need alien implants to be fucked up and Occam's Razor demands a simpler explanation.

If one becomes "Decentralized Completely" then one realizes that LRH and his teachings are total bullshit.

Xenu
Xenu

"I wouldn't mind if someone like Heber Jentzsch steps in for the interim, if only to hold elections..."

So how does that work?"It has been found by actual experiment (LA1950) that groups of people called on to select a leader from among them bynomination and vote routinely select only those who would kill them." -- LRH

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

It's an attempt to handle things internally, using an independent audit.  The thing that the indies are missing is a well-stated after-the-oust plan.  It's like fine ... we figure out how to get rid of Miscavige.  Now what?  Norman Starkey?  No way.  I wouldn't mind if someone like Heber Jentzsch steps in for the interim, if only to hold elections of some kind, to let Scientologists decide who and how they want to go forward.  The thing that savescientology has going for it is that its being run by indie scientologists, and not the cult.  But in my mind, I'd lke to see more assurances and steps put in place to ensure that the same old problems won't just recur.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Marty and Mike *do* know where the 'pink legs' are.  And, they're *not* talking.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Prosecute the Cult and I'll worry about the 'Indies' later :)  Or not.  Most likely not. However, to go by Marty's 'front' website at savescientologyDOTcom, the purpose of the operation is to *prevent* any external investigation/prosecution/conviction of the 'Church'.

That I object to.

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

They may not, Joe.  From my reading of things, the Indies/Freezone enjoys just being de-centralized completely ... with loose affiliations via blogs and email lists.  That may in fact be the way things go from here forward, outside the cult.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Why would a self-help or spiritual 'group' need an organization at all?  The problem is with the Scientology *Movement*, which per definition *must* rule the earth for its own good.

That's not 'spiritual'; it's *political*.

(and, the 'movement' is Ron's creation. And it's KSW that wants to put the 'fixed dedicated glare' into Mrs. Pattycake's eye :))

7, 8, 9, 10 may be anti social, but, they're *essential* to Scientology as a 'Movement'. Just ask Marteh

I vote nay :)

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

The answer is to put sane people in charge of the organization that don't act like fanatic zealots.  Or just de-centralize the whole thing, and let people use their common sense and good judgement in how they want to organize.

sizzle8
sizzle8

Russians are so.........Russian.

O. Lallieberry
O. Lallieberry

Awesome to let the reporter wander around the joint, mess up Hubbard's desk, etc.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

From WWP(Bozuri)Rough translation, the whole thingStarting from 00:31 minute:In that bus behind us we can see AMON [Russian Police special forces, or SWAT team].[The raid is seen]Reporter: Nobody is to be found in the semi -dark rooms. For now this is the only detained person - a female secretary. It's morning, eight [and something]. It is possible that the staff of the school is yet to arrive at work. The computers are on, however the working stations are empty. In this building there is a large number of corridors and offices, different doors. But in practise.... this one is storage and this one is a utility room....are locked. The policemen will have to break all the doors.[Showing the door breaking at 1:30]At 1:51, reporter: This is the only office which does not have any doors or locks. This is the office of Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. Obviously he was never here, this place is more like a museum. All his works are collected here, part of which are on the list of extremist material, forbidden in the territory of Russia.2:11 - Voice of a different reporter:The price for the collection of study materials and lectures is 169 thousand rubal; computer video-course is much more - almost 400 thousand rubals;2:25Reporter: So these books are on the list of prohibited books, right?Voice over: Nine in the morning. At the entrance, colleagues are arriving however they are still not understanding what's happening.2:44, the girl says to the male: We would like to voluntarily surrender to you what you're interested in.2:49, Reporter's voice: This is Maria, who presented herself as the director. Hence we asked her the questions.Reporter: did you know that this book is on the list?Maria: this book is not on the list. If you'll show me the list where this book is listed.....I dont' know about it.3:03 Reporter: And here is the deputy of the head accountant. Somehow he lost the number of his supervisor and cannot find it in his note book and later he completely forgot the supervisor's name.3:11Reporter: So have you ever seen him in person?Accountant assistant [AA]: Yes, I've seen him. Everyday.Reporter: And how are these [inaudible...]....here?AA: Only here.Reporter: What's his name?3:24 - cant hear the answer, the guy mumbles.Reporter: So what's the name of your director? Are you declining to answer?AA: I don't know.Reporter: You don't know the name of your director?AA: No, I don't know.3:32, Reporter's voice:With such prices for the books, it's no wonder that in this center all of the equipment is the most modern and the most expensive.For example, this cinema room: all the discs [DVDs] that are being sold at the reception can be seen in here for free.In these cabins there are rooms for relaxation. You can click on any video clip and it would start playing straight away. Here is the volume....you can turn it up and down. 3:59 ReporterThis is something like a small production [advertisement] room. It appears that in this room the publication materials of the Church were printed. There are interesting posters like this. Look....here are the last names of the best and the most successful students. They have fairly expensive equipment. The printer for example is for wide-format printing allowing for the printing gigantic posters. It appears that people in this room worked here in shifts. It is possible that colleagues never even met, because they were leaving each other notes like this one, in English language [4:25]. One colleague says to the other that this disc contains what you need.4:35There are also notes like this in Russian. For example this one says "Dear Lena, posters need to be distributed throughout the entire Org. Cleaning as well".Reporter: What is Org is not clear and the note does not clarify.Voice over 4:49In fact, to call the visitors of this school "students" is not very correct. They should be called "pre-clears" while the teachers are "auditors". Scientology is called the most controversial [or conflicted the Russian word used] spiritual philosophy. The conflict, not hard to guess, is with the law. Many, including medical doctors consider that this literature ruins the human brain and traumatises the psyche. That is why several of the books are prohibited/illegal. To summarise in short - here, they teach people how to be happy. They even have an interesting technical equipment: e-meter. A devise for the measuring of the psychological weight.5:20 [lady is speaking]: See, here are the cans. You hold them with your hands and here the cord is connected.Reporter: And the needle should show in what mood I am, right?Lady: Technically, correct.5:31In these moments the searches on Taganka are ongoing. Police operators, without help of any devises, promised to determine the weight of responsibility of the director of the centre, the secretary and everybody else.Artyon Kolodkin, NTV.

Xenu
Xenu

Tony, I do think that the books contain a number of extremist statements.  Remember that we're not just talking about DMSMH, Science of Survival and Introduction to Scientology Ethics, we're also talking about bound volumes of policy letters.  KSW, Fair Game, and "Admin Know How - The Responsibilities of Leaders" should be enough to freak any reasonable person out.  Especially if you're fairly close to Bulgravia.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Keeping Scientology Working policy gives the Hubbard mindset and it's about as serious as it gets.   KSW, the Tom Cruise KSW quote, that's mainline Hubbard fanaticism.   That's never gonna sell.   On the intro courses for Div 6, they don't even show beginners the KSW policy, since they know it causes some people to "...quit fast....." which is an ironic option Hubbard allows.

The sooner people see KSW and see where the fanaticism comes from, the better.   And Xenu and "body thetans" and they know that the result of the Wall of Fire is that today the "upper levels" are all about exorcism.

Marcotai
Marcotai

Is someone actually watched the video above?I understand that for hate mongers that video is something to celebrate at.Have you noticed that the receptionist gave all the keys to open all the Church's doors?Have you noticed that some policemen doing their "raid" were wearing anti-terrorists masks?Have you noticed the arrogance of that "journalist" who came along with police?Have you noticed him indicating the e-meter saying that it's a instrument used to brainwash people and make them sovversive to the Russian government?LOL What a show!And that is the result of HATRED that you guys are engaged and spreading every single day toward SCN. DO NOT FORGET THAT! 

hgc
hgc

Marcotai said, "And that is the result of HATRED that you guys are engaged and spreading every single day toward SCN. DO NOT FORGET THAT!"

Do you realize that no one cares in the least when you call them haters? 

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

You know what, Marcotai.  Those Russians should have raided Hemet instead of the Russian place.  But the US won't let them. 

If you REALLY want this crap to come to end, then start supporting the petition to have the US Gov't investigate the FBI's failure to prosecute the sham "church".  Support the efforts to get Miscavige and his stepford-wife people out of power, and let some leaders with actual judgement (hopefully) and real world experience, step in and clean things up.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

From a 'wog' perspective, I'm opposed to the banning of books, but, that's from a western perspective.  As it happens, Russia is a pale shade of the kind of totalitarian society that Scientology works for with its 'Clear Planet', so, it's mostly about competing social systems; one that is (hopefully) in transition from a totalitarian system, albeit with flaws and one that aspires to the kind of totalitarianism that Josef Stalin could only dream of, while paying 'lip service' to freedom.

What it boils down to is a tactical mistake by the Scientology Supermen to play on the wrong playground and expect to be able to define the rules. Oopsey.

Are Scientology materials 'subversive'?  Certainly.  Is Scientology as a 'philosophy' anathema to *any* non-Scientology-run social order?  You betcha.

Next they'll complain when the mafia sues them for copyright infringement and 'trade secrets' on the Organized Crime game. 

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

The truth is, I completely agree with you.  Even when I was "in" the organization, I would look around and think "what the f*ck would the world be like if these people were in charge?"  And it was frightening.  It is indeed a 1984 world in the cult (on steroids in the sea org), and can't come to an end soon enough.

I realize how paradoxical this seems since I'm still a practicing scientologist, but it's just the stark reality.  What can I say?  I like the math, not the alchemy.

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

Joe,  all arithmetic systems are self-contained.

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

Not sure I follow.  I'm pretty sure Amy S. is the one that broke the story about the ex's talking to the FBI, that made it into the New Yorker.  She had been getting fed up with their investigation taking so long and/or going nowhere, so she started talking to the press about it.  I doubt she'd be chummy with Marty and Mike if she knew they weren't talking to and cooperating with the feds.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Personally, I think they've been lying about *any* contact they've had with the 'FBI'.  One thing I'm fairly certain of is that, were they actually cooperating with the FBI or any other official police agency, they would *not* be 'talking' elsewhere.

That's not how it works.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

It only works as long as it's 'self-contained' :)

i.e. circular logic; tautology; axiomatic with no analysis... etc.

Don't try to buy a bag of potato chips using it :)

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

Or as Carl Sagan said: "There is a kind of arithmetic, perfectly reasonable and self-contained, in which two times one does not equal one times two." 

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

I think they tried with the FBI.  We'll see if more comes out if the petition doesn't go anywhere, as Marty alluded to.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Despite His opinions on 'calculus' :)

As Winston Smith said 'Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4'

Muggles
Muggles

That's awesome!  I too, like the math about Scientology. Hubbard was one of the great world mathematicians!   

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Holy Moly :)  Imagine what might happen if Marty/Mike started telling the 'whole truth and nothing but the truth...' :)

Seriously; imagine that :)

Marg Mesa
Marg Mesa

Unfortunately, it's a "cog" I had 15 yrs ago, and suppressed it until the likes of Marty, Mike and friends started giving all their firsthand reports.  That's what it took for me at least.

I went back to Bernie's site recently ... and I agree, it does seem a bit over-the-top apologetic.  And yes, that's coming from *me*.  :-)

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

You're not the only one :)  Even 'Bernie' (of CNC Family website fame,) former GO op and active 'Church' apologist and most likely active 'agent' once in a moment of candor said:

"I left the 'Church' when I realized that I would not want to live in a world run like an Org."

There's no such thing as a 'silver bullet' question or phrase to 'liberate' Scientologists, but, as 'cogs' go, that one seems powerful.

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

Those Russians really do org raiding in style! I'm down with that!

What happened to the *shatter suppression* tech?

Scientology is a contagious, infectious disease. Most are immune to it, many are not. If I were you, Marcotai, I would seek treatment, before the disease is fatal for you.

This has nothing to do with *hate* - it has everything to do with *Public Health* - mental and physical. Get well, soon, Marcotai. I'll be watching for your obituary.

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xoxoxoxoxoxox

Governments with totalitarian and kleptocratic tendencies aren't going to like scientology. It's competition.

In case you didn't notice, Marcotai, Tony wasn't celebrating -- he was quite equivocal about the raid and the ban on Hubbard's writings.

Sarah In Zurich
Sarah In Zurich

Marcotai - so now you speak Russian as well? Obviously your Russian is just as bad as your English. The journalist merely asked the lady whether the e-meter can tell his mood and she said "technically it can". The journalist didn't say anything related to brainwashing or being against the Russian government.  He did say that medical professionals regard Hubbard's literature as being dangerous to the human psyche.  As for the policemen wearing masks - it is the usual practise in Russia. All raids are done by AMON, i.e. speacial forces and they always wear masks.

Guest
Guest

I think it is safe to assume that Marcotai is pretty much an idiot.  Another tragedy of scientology.

SFF
SFF

It is well known that Russia makes all policy decisions based on what people are saying on the internet.

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