Scientology Symposium: Commenters of the Week!

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Elron, PhD? If you say so, Maggie
It was an unusual week here for us at our Scientology watching operation. We left the underground bunker for a trip to Southern California, but still managed to put together a few stories while on the road. And our commenters did not let us down, with some of them carrying over debates they were having during our big countdown!

On Saturday, we started things off with another big story out of Birmingham, England. A treasure trove of 7,000 internal e-mails was made public, revealing that the current state of Scientology is even more depressing than we imagined.

On Tuesday, we broke news that another actor had tried Scientology...

While on the road in L.A., we'd been introduced to actor Philip Boyd, who decided to go public about his brief time in Scientology. He said he wanted his story told to keep others from getting sucked into "the business that is Scientology."

On Wednesday, we put up a brief item about Johnny Depp's odd claim in Vanity Fair that while he was a struggling nobody, he was paid to attend Scientology study groups. Our experts said that sounded like pure bunkum.

And on Thursday, we did our weekly Stats Roundup with news of a Moscow raid and other recent developments -- including a protest against your narrator at Cal State Fullerton.

All in all, a lighter week while we were on the road. So which comments stood out?

The leak of e-mails at the Birmingham org included stunning messages pulled out by readers at Anonymous. There was the fellow who is told to stop spending so much time caring for his dying wife and get in for some expensive auditing, for example. Readers generally were horrified by what they read. We liked this summation by Ron:

As the Scientology organism continues to starve for cash nourishment, its great hunger drives it to eat its own edges, starting with individual Scientologists.

We were also struck by this observation by Sid, who saw this as an opportunity to explain why some of us keep coming back for more...

I occasionally see posts by Scientologists asking why we keep going with this, wondering why we commit so much time to it, wondering why so many people give it so much focus in their lives. This is why. We're not SPs, we're not being paid by big pharma or the psyches. We're people who genuinely care about the shocking way Scientologists are being abused by a church they trust. We will continue to put ethics in on the CoS until it stops this sick behavior.

We felt very fortunate to meet and talk with actor Philip Boyd while we were on the road. It's not every day that an actor comes forward to talk about the church, as Damian DeWitt pointed out...

This is most heartening. Please pass on our thanks to Philip for what he has done in having the courage to speak out. I do not know if Paul Haggis or Jason Beghe were instrumenal in encouraging him to speak out, but I suspect that they have been doing much good work behind the scenes, and I hope we will see more defectors from the entertainment industry and among celebrity Scientologists in other fields including, one hopes, Greta Van Susteren at Fox News; Craig Jenner, CEO of Diskeeper; and Grant Cardone, about whom you have written. Another entertainment celebrity who has defected without much attention outside of the outlets of the Independent Scientology and the critics of the ex-Scientologist and Anonymous forums, is Placido Domingo, Jr., son of his famous father the great tenor Placido Domingo, who is a life-long devout Catholic. Each defector who speaks out is another pebble in the the avalanche. It is also noteworthy that Philip has specifically addressed the issue of the dangers of the Purification Rundown, which lies at the heart of Narconon, the cult's most lucrative and deceitful front group. David Love is taking a wrecking ball to the Narconon rehab facility in Trois-Rivieres, half-way between Montreal and Quebec. His complaint to the College of Physicians has already gotten a Scientology doctor banned from serving at Narconon and certifying that Narconon patients are medically capable of undergoing the dangerous regime of overheated saunas for weeks on end and the equally dangerous regime of megadoses of niacin. Replacing him will be extremely difficult if not impossible and might necessitate Narconon having their patients certified in the US.

In our brief piece about Johnny Depp, our experts agreed that the actor must be mistaken about his claim that he was paid to take Scientology classes. But we also enjoyed the rejoinder by Kate Bornstein:

Thanks for clarifying that bit about Scientology paying people to do study groups. I read that piece and wondered why I didn't get into *that* part of Scientology myself, instead of the Sea Org. It would've paid more.

As for the Moscow raid, we pointed out in our post that it was a bad idea for the Russian government to ban L. Ron Hubbard's books, and that raiding the org there would probably only work to Scientology's favor. We can't blame Marcotai, our old pro-church friend, for jumping on the news of the raid to tell us off:

Is someone actually watched the video above? I understand that for hate mongers that video is something to celebrate at. Have you noticed that the receptionist gave all the keys to open all the Church's doors? Have you noticed that some policemen doing their "raid" were wearing anti-terrorists masks? Have you noticed the arrogance of that "journalist" who came along with police? Have you noticed him indicating the e-meter saying that it's a instrument used to brainwash people and make them subversive to the Russian government? LOL What a show! And that is the result of HATRED that you guys are engaged and spreading every single day toward SCN. DO NOT FORGET THAT!

Yes, Marcotai, it was a good opportunity for you to sound off, and you did not disappoint. We feel good about that.

Even for a light week, we're happy with the results. Soon we'll be back at the underground bunker, so keep those tips coming!


The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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SCIENTOLOGY IN THE VILLAGE VOICE

[All recent stories] | [Top 25 People Crippling Scientology] | [Commenters of the Week]

FEATURED INVESTIGATIONS

[Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis secretly recorded discussing "disconnection"]
[Benjamin Ring, LA deputy sheriff, wants you to spend your 401K on Scientology]
[Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?]

MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

[Scientology has Rathbun arrested] | [Rathbun and Mark Bunker reveal surprising ties]
In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
[Character actor Jason Beghe defects noisily] | [Actor Michael Fairman reveals his "suppressive person" declaration] | [Michael Fairman talks to the Voice]
[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
[Scientology High School, Dating and Super Powers!]



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18 comments
JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Glad to see Kate Bornstein chirping in on this blog! I remember Kate when she was known as Al Bornstein. Kate has just written a new book which can be found ( and should be read by all ) called:

"A Queer and Pleasant Danger: The true story of a nice Jewish boy who joins the Church of Scientology, and leaves twelve years later to become the lovely lady she is today"

Kate's story is so informative. I wish Tony would do an interview with her, about her days as a loyal officer of L Ron Hubbard going by the name of  Al  Bornstein, the craziness that went on and the disconnection issue which has personally effected her because she left.

mjm
mjm

a couple of questions:-why aren't the Occupy Wall Street protestors in NYC and LA marching on the CoS and the Kaballah Center? they say they don't want to involve religion, but Scientology and Kaballah aren't religions...-why aren't the protestors marching on the TV studios, movie studios, and the record co. hqs?-where is the celebrity support? The only celebs that have been supportive have been several liberal news personalities (Keith Olbermann, Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell) and liberal actors and musicians such as Danny Glover, Roseanne, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Sandra Bernhard, Arlo Guthrie, Joan Baez, Penn Badgley, and Matt Damon.are all the a-listers scared to be blacklisted? Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have been suprisingly neutral (do they not want to gey axed by Viacom head Les Moonves?)

how big are cults' reach in the entertainment industry and the US Gov. (not just Scientology, but Kaballah, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, Nation of Islam, Moonies, etc.)? This crap needs a big time expose

mjm
mjm

other Scientology news:-Nancy Cartwight got a 45% pay cut her Simpsons salary-Kelly Preston was on QVC 10/8 to plug Kirstie's diet crap. next time she's on, why doesn't somebody crank call her about her "hubby" 's extra curricular activitie?-info about politician Brad Sherman's Scilon connections has leaked-Tom and Katie's staged photo ops on the set of his new movie continue. I think this marriage is gonna be over soon.

Lon
Lon

Apparently Marcotai has invaded the comments on the tampabay_dot_com story about the fines paid for the superpower building.   My suspicion is based on all the repetitive "LOLs" by a rabid pro-scientology poster.

Mia
Mia

I honestly don't understand why our government isn't shutting down this evil cult. I signed the petition,.. but does it really make a difference? There is so much evidence on the internet. Why aren't they acting on it? It truly makes me wonder. Scary!

Guest
Guest

Apparently Marcotai has invaded the comments on the tampabay.dot.com blog.   My suspicion is based on all the repetitive "LOLs" by a rabid pro-scientology poster.

http://www DOT tampabay DOT com/news/localgovernment/church-of-scientology-pays-fines-for-flag-building-in-downtown-clearwater/1195531

mrgreebly
mrgreebly

16 days left to

Sign the US Government Petition to investigate the Church of Scientology

and it's abuses. The Government must give a response.

It’s all about a volume of voices, don’t be afraid anymore it is your right

to get answers. Anyone can sign join those voices.

If problems registering go here 1st:

wwws dot whitehouse dot gov/user/register

+back to the Petition:

wh dot gov/4Os

If the Sign button is grey and not green simply log out and log back in.

 

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

You'd think that constantly reading Tony's blog and the stories of awful abuse that the COS hands out on its believers would actually start to chip away at Marcotai's Scientology loyalty.  I feel sorry for him/her/it.  The 'way to happiness' seems to be a one-way ticket to delusion-ville.

Nadia Beliskaya
Nadia Beliskaya

basis of life in Scientology - "theta statics." In 1945, the Nazis received the "theta-static" in Russia. 60 years of thriving cult of greed in America and Europe. 20 years Scientologists distort the minds of people in Russia. In Russia, correctly decided to ban the distribution of books Scientologists. Scientologists perform bribery of judges, the agreement with the witnesses. As a result, "theta" is a drug raprostranyaetsya 60 years. The ban at the state level - the best solution long problem. "Theta" will not change people's minds, they will not spend their money on a corporation for the induction of Scientology nonsense

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Just waiting for my review copy, Mary.

Mirko
Mirko

I can't find the story, link?

Andrew Kar
Andrew Kar

As satisfying as it would be to have the government "shut them down," the fact remains that we do have freedom of religion. Speaking as a student of religion, I would say that after reading "Inside Scientology," I can see how the practice of auditing has been valuable to some people. Obviously, I see that it is a seriously messed-up cult, but I can see how the basic practice could be potentially efficacious, and serve as the basis for further religious practice.

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

Marcotai has a 'stable datum'; What's good for Scientology is good for everybody.  There is no discussion around that; merely sophistry.  Anything a Scientologist advances as an 'argument' is merely a rationalization for how the 'Stable Datum' is correct.

If it needs a realization that little blue men live under our beds, well, that too will show up.  The 'Stable Datum' is that Scientology is 'Mankind's Only Hope'.  There is no other truth.

mirele
mirele

He's not actually allowed to read the posts, you know. He's just given his talking points and told to post.

Guest
Guest

But we don't have freedom to abuse people under the guise of religion.  That's what scientology does, and they will work hard to destroy whomever tries to separate what (if any) religious component there is from the corporate pay-to-pray structure. 

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Well, he seems to reply to specific topics so he must be reading at least the headline and parts of the article.  Telling someone not to look at an auto accident as you pass by is a good way to get them to look.  Culties are no different.

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