Michael Sandlofer, 1st Husband to X Factor's Stacy Francis, on Her Past, Her Scientology, and Her Problems With The Truth

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X Factor's Stacy Francis
"I have to defend what I know. And I know how serious domestic violence is, and I'm not with that. To be potentially accused of that is gross."

An exclusive here at the Voice this morning. We have the first interview with Michael Sandlofer, the first husband of X Factor contestant Stacy Francis, 42, who has gained a large following in part by selling a story that she suffered domestic violence from a man while she was in her late 20s to early 30s. On Thursday, she made it plain to The Hollywood Reporter that she was talking about Sandlofer, her first husband.

Sandlofer tells the Voice that not only has Francis lied about domestic violence in her relationship with him, but he says that Perez Hilton is correct in his complaints that Francis has been untruthful about her extensive professional singing career before she came to X Factor. We had a conversation yesterday with Sandlofer, a music producer, who told the Voice about his marriage to Francis, why it was annulled, and why she then turned to Scientology, an organization she has been heavily involved with ever since.

Francis entered public consciousness when her supposedly heartbreaking story was used to promote Simon Cowell's new talent show, X Factor. She was featured prominently in a seven-minute "super trailer" which the show uploaded to the web on September 21:


The trailer helped build interest in the show, which has been a huge gamble for Cowell. It's not hard to see why he would choose Francis's wrenching story to help amp up anticipation for his new program. Early in the trailer, she grows emotional as she explains why she hasn't already had a professional singing career:

"In my late 20s into my early 30s, I met someone, and things just went really wrong. He kept telling me I was too old, or that I wasn't talented enough, and I started believing it. I started believing him. And he would push me around, sometimes, and I just just lost faith in myself."

She then goes on to belt out a version of "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman," after implying that for some 12 years she had been discouraged from singing except in the shower of her 1-bedroom home.

The trailer has been seen nearly 3 million times. It has more than 6,000 comments, and the "top comment" reads...

"i hope that bastard she was with is watching this and is hearing the crowd roar!!"

After the trailer aired, Francis quickly became a star of the now successful show, but almost immediately there were questions about her version of events.

Perez Hilton has been particularly ruthless, pointing out that Francis was hardly only singing in the shower the past 12 years. In fact, she was a regular Broadway performer, had put out a solo album, and has sung backup for Madonna, Chaka Khan, and even shared billing with Adam Lambert.

Francis was also featured in a notorious video that was shot on the "Freewinds," Scientology's cruise ship that is normally used for training the highest-level church members in their final step of spiritual training, known as "OT VIII." In 2004, Scientology leader David Miscavige used the ship to throw a lavish 40th birthday party for his good friend, Tom Cruise, and in this video you can see Francis serenading the actor, as he and Miscavige (the small man to his left) react enthusiastically:


UPDATE: From that same event, even more amazing video of Tom Cruise singing with Francis!

Perhaps most damning, however, is that Francis apparently tried to hide her extensive professional background in order to make the story she told X Factor appear more credible. Her ham-fisted attempt to hide that material, however, failed badly, as the sites she apparently tried to delete were preserved on archival Internet pages.

As questions about Francis multiplied, she remained vague about which of her previous relationships was the abusive one. She has been married multiple times, and she has not named the person who she says "pushed me around."

Then, on Thursday, she took away any doubt.

In a story at The Hollywood Reporter, Francis complained that Hilton was telling "lies"...

"And I also found out that my ex-husband was tweeting him," she continues. "And he's the one that gave him a couple pictures of me and the fake CD that he put up that pretended I had a CD out -- I never did; it was a demo. He's getting all this stuff from my ex-husband and that was my abuser so it's very disappointing."

Francis was clearly referencing Michael Sandlofer, her first husband, who did tweet last week that he was willing to talk to Hilton. But Hilton never responded, and the gossip columnist certainly never got any materials from him of any kind, Sandlofer tells the Voice.

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Sandlofer
"I'm not working with Perez Hilton," Sandlofer told me yesterday by telephone, as we began a conversation that lasted nearly two hours.

Sandlofer, 41, is a music producer who works out of Manhattan and who goes by several handles in the hip-hop industry. Most know him as "Lofey," he says. His Twitter handle, meanwhile, is "Stupidwhitejerk," which he explains is the nickname he picked up years ago working as one of the few white producers in hip hop.

In late 1996 or 1997, he says, he stopped in Washington DC on the way home from a trip to Florida in order to see a friend perform as a dancer in a stage production of Footloose.

"That's when I met her. That was the beginning of our relationship," Sandlofer says, and explains that what really attracted him to Francis was her voice. "I thought she was a wonderful Broadway-style singer."

By the time he met her, Sandlofer says, Francis was already well into her stage careeer. "She had done several stage shows. She had sung backup to Chaka Kahn. She was a seasoned Broadway veteran," he says.

In total, the couple was together about four years, marrying in 2000 and than having it annulled later that year, he says.

One of the things he noticed about her, he remembers, is her interest in spiritual ideas.

"She had boxes of self-help books, positive affirmation and all this other stuff. She seemed sort of confused, but whatever floats your boat. I'm a spiritual person, but I wouldn't call myself religious," he says. "I'm a musician. I'm very driven by the passion. I went to business school, and I followed through. I was more of a family person. She saw what I came from, a strong family background, and she was attracted to it."

Sandlofer believes that Francis was drawn to his family because her own was so fragmented. "The true story is that she wasn't raised by her mother, but by another woman who was in her 80s. To this day her biological mother won't tell her who her biological father is. She could have told that story, but I guess she leaned a different way."

Also, he says, she was clear about her agenda. "Stacy, number one, is very adamant about being famous," he says. Although she had already had some success as a Broadway performer, Francis told Sandlofer that it wasn't enough, he remembers.

"I don't want to be famous all my life on just one block," is something she said repeatedly, Sandlofer recalls, meaning that she needed to expand beyond Broadway singing.

"As soon as we were married, she said she had to go to Los Angeles for pilot season. Footloose was done and she needed something new," he says.

"She stayed with a couple of friends. I supported it. I was responsible for her. I just can't move with you out there, but we'll figure it out, I told her." Then, after the pilot-shooting season was winding down, Sandlofer says Francis told him that she wouldn't be taken seriously in the television industry unless she moved permanently to LA.

"So I went out there and got a place. A two-bedroom place in Sherman Oaks. I gave her a car. And I basically left her out there, and I would come and go. I would come out to visit for a week or a two at a time. I was doing a lot of records for hip hop and R&B acts. So I'd go out there and do work. Which seemed to anger her, actually," Sandlofer says.

Then, Sandlofer says, she cheated on him with the man who would become her second husband.

"I took my car away, and I left her. I had given her a ring that was appraised for more than 60 grand, and I didn't ask for it back. I left her a furnished apartment. I only took the car and went back to my family. That was it. I totally supported her. Did we have pissing matches? Like anyone else. But I never laid a hand on her. None of that. And her story, her people, keep changing their story, that it was physical or verbal abuse she went through," he says.

On the advice of an attorney, they avoided divorce and instead got an annulment.

Since then, they have had several interactions. One was unpleasant, when, he says, she accused him of causing her problems over an outstanding debt. But in general, their conversations have been civil, even friendly.

He admits he was surprised when a friend told him about the "super trailer," and saw that Francis was accusing an ex of being abusive.

"I hoped she hadn't been abused, and I assumed she was talking about someone else. But the talk online keeps pointing at me," he says. "I think it would be a legal issue for her if she used my name publicly. I hope she doesn't do that. I have to defend what I know. And I know how serious domestic violence is, and I'm not with that. To be potentially accused of that is gross."

After their relationship was over, Sandlofer says, Francis turned to Scientology. And for one reason, he says: to get in with the likes of John Travolta, Tom Cruise, and other Hollywood types.

"It wasn't like she read a couple of L. Ron books and was impressed. It didn't go down that way," he says.

Records show that over the past decade, Francis has been a dedicated member of Scientology, completing quite a few courses.

"At one point, she tried to get me into Scientology. But I knew it wasn't for me," Sandlofer says.

Publicly, Francis has kept quiet about Scientology, and, Sandlofer points out, she has assured her followers that she's a Christian.

"Is it true you can do both?" he asked me.

I explained that higher-level Scientologists are asked to accept that Jesus Christ was not real but was an implanted memory placed in our alien souls 75 million years ago. (Something I had confirmed by church spokeswoman Karin Pouw more than a decade ago.) Francis, I pointed out, may still be a lower-level church member who has not been asked to accept that Jesus is a figment.

As for her X Factor future, Sandlofer is not sanguine.

"I know where it's going to end up. Unfortunately for her, she's not going to win, and she's not going to be one of those artists who don't win and still end up huge," he predicts. "She's made it to the top 12. There's true talent on there that supersedes her. But I'm glad she has a fan base. If she had told her story the right way from the beginning, and hadn't talked about me in a totally false way, I would have been happy for her." But still, he adds, he isn't resentful of her success.

"I love her voice for the stage, but is it good for what they're talking about it, a pop star? She's wonderful on Broadway, but I'm not sure how else to put it," he says.

"I appreciate that Perez Hilton is sticking to his guns," he adds, saying that he has felt somewhat vindicated as Hilton has taken apart the tales Francis told. "He's not saying she's a bad singer, but she's lying about her story. The original story from the trailer was so misleading. She seemed to be saying that some guy had abused her and left her with two kids. So people were asking me, did I abuse her, and did I have two kids with her? It was confusing." (They had no children in their marriage, which ended more than a decade ago. Sandlofer is now in a ten-year marriage with the mother of his two young sons.)

I asked Sandlofer if he felt Simon Cowell should be more concerned than he's let on about the story Francis is forwarding.

"Part of me says, who cares what Simon thinks, but on the other hand, should he allow someone to lie about something so serious as domestic violence?" he asks. "Ultimately, though, Stacy is responsible. She's the one dishing the story."

After I spoke with Sandlofer, I called Mike Rinder, Scientology's former spokesman, who was on the "Freewinds" that day in 2004 when Francis serenaded Tom Cruise.

He apologized, saying he couldn't tell me anything more about the show. "I was cleaning the bilges," he said, referring to the punishment that he and others were often assigned to by church leader Miscavige.

"I had no idea who she was. I just saw her show up and perform," he said.

Still, she performed at a gala event for one of Hollywood's biggest actors and one of the most important people in her religion.

And that has to beat singing in a bathroom.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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elvis
elvis

You honestly have nothing else to do! Which guy would admit for being abusive to his wife? and who cares about her past! She is great and leave her alone!

Susan7
Susan7

There is many kinds of violence and sometimes verbal is way more effective than physical. This or that it seems that something what he did say or attitude did affect stacy very much. Im not after sad stories but nobody else can tell about other people relationship or experience...it can be only one or two little insidents or words that might be affected much. Sometimes what we really need is support and positivity no matter what but instead those around us just puts you downdown

BillyBobBullshit
BillyBobBullshit

I need to say it again... I just can't believe how ugly she is!!!

BillyBobBullshit
BillyBobBullshit

Ugly, ugly, ugly... I wouldn't want to watch this hideously ugly, lying, cult following, piece of trash, win a pie eating contest. 

She is/was a Scientologist, she's been bred to lie pathologically.  Tears?  What better place to get emotional than on stage in front of a few thousand people, and 4 judges who are going to determine whether you succeed in your lifelong ambition, or lose.  And what do you need to convince people of tragic misfortune... sadness and tears! 

It's nice when pure bullshit comes together so nicely, but it sucks when everyone finds out you're a liar!  I don't believe a word of it, and I wonder if her mother does either?!?

Dean Blair
Dean Blair

Excellent article Tony.  You keep outdoing yourself.  Keep up the good work and bless you Tony.

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

The curse of the church of scientology strikes again. Proving that if you have't got it the church of scientology won't give you it.

Theoracle
Theoracle

And I guess the fact that the woman is an amazing talent is the least of what is important?The mean spirited comments left here for her children to read are pure injustice.Couldn't you pick someone for the whipping boy this week that is not a single mother of two?Honestly Tony you have sunk to the bottom in the entertainment industry yourself.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I'm just curious. Does anyone know if Spacy's agent is a Scientologist? Who gets her all these gigs?

And, why aren't her rich Hollywood friends helping her out financially if she's so poor?

Flrnce
Flrnce

And why in the world would we believe a her ex husband, a man who tells his wife she is not good enough? Just look at his face in the picture, arrogant as hell! He didn't want her to succeed back then and he obviously still doesn't want her to.

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

Stacy Francis is a great example of how the church of Miscavige creates victims "poor me" after all these years of being audited in the church.   Stacy, stop those BS, stop getting sympathy from the viewer.  You have been part of a cult for too long. Get a life outside the Co$, then people will believe you.Thank you Tony for exposing the truth!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Affair With The Scientology Dentist

Stacy fell for her hansom Scientology dentist like a ton of bricks and lured him into a series of passionate rendezvous in the dental clinic after hours.

But one day he said sadly, "Stacy, honey, we have to stop seeing each other. Your husband's bound to get suspicious."

"No way, sweetie, he's a dumb music producer," she assured him. "Besides, we've been meeting here for six months now and he doesn't suspect a thing."

"True," agreed the dentist, "but you're down to one tooth!"

Mia_13
Mia_13

Stacy said she was verbally abused which is horrible, but completely different than domestic violence. So all of you people are going to take this guy Sandlofer "Stupidwhitejerk" (acts like a jerk on twitter)  word for it because why? You all seem like a bunch of sheep believing a bunch of fabricated half truths and un-truths from some extremely unreliable people (Perez).  It is a singing competition show ffs it's not like Stacy is running for public office. Get over yourselves.

ETA: I don't believe in any organized religions myself, but I don't see how Scientology in the lower levels is any worse then say Catholicism. If Stacy was/is involved she probably is more of a victim of that too.

Just let her be, let her sing. If anything blame X Factor for making the stupid back stories with their ridiculous editing.

wannabeclear
wannabeclear

Setting aside her connection to Scientology for a minute -- the big problem is that because she lied about her background and experience as a performer (and continues to do so), it's hard to find anything else she says credible, whether it's the truth or not.  If she's going to pretend she had no success as a performer, when there is copious evidence to the contrary, then why wouldn't she go the next step and lie about being a victim of domestic violence, to further her persona and gain sympathy on this "reality" show.  It's too bad because she does actually have talent.  And back to the Scientology thing -- her making shit up to move along on the X-Factor, is not exactly a ringing endorsement for "the most ethical religion i the world."

Cocolicious
Cocolicious

Man, I really am rooting for her because I feel she's been underrated her whole career. I can accept her subduing part of her career past, but not her telling a lie saying she was abused. That would be trifling.

SP  'Onage
SP 'Onage

Hey Tony, what's wrong with the posting DisQus? My posts have the wrong ID. How did it get changed?

John Jones
John Jones

My opinion of these trash TV shows...

These 'reality' talent shows like X Factor/Got Talent operate in much the same way as the disgraceful 'talk' shows like Jerry Springer. They encourage people to exaggerate if not outright fabricate stories. It's not as if Stacy Francis necessarily volunteered these fabrications, it's the job of the shows screeners -in a private interview- probe a person's past to find out if there's a scrap of anything that might make for a titillating storyline, and then nurture that story. Since these people are the show's gatekeepers with the power to make or break a person's career in the music business, there's always the underlying pressure of "telling people what they want to hear." And before these newfound-celebrities realize it, their private admissions (exaggerated as they might be) will be exploited for maximum publicity, on an international stage, and by then it's too late for the person to back out. Besides the push-polled, easily-manipulated, and false-memory people, there's also the pathological liars, which these shows do nothing to screen out, and this creates a situation which encourages rampant deception. Sadly, this fits in quite well with the smoke-and-mirrors entertainment industry. "Reality" shows are notorious for forcing contestants to sign contracts that require them to lie.

It would be interesting to know if Stacy Francis did well on Scientology's TR-L (Training Routine: Lying) course. Somehow she seems a natural. There is however one important thing that L.R. Hubbard never mentioned: don't tell lies that can be exposed in a 10-second internet search. That advice might seem obvious to anyone today, but then Hubbard never followed it himself when he was alive, -- and neither does Scientology today.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

While I avoid anything that Simon Cowell is involved with, have to say that I don't consider the status of Stacy Francis in Scientology as being all that meaningful in this case. This reminds me a bit of a post I read this morning as regards Maureen Dowd and the Mormons. It may be true that Mitt Romney is an unapologetic Corporatist and is worthy of rejection on that basis. But Harry Reid is also a Mormon. Attacking Romney for his religious preference is simply not a desirable angle of attack.

 Whatever may be the problem with Ms. Francis, I fail to see how CO$ is germane in this particular case.

Mike
Mike

Another new low for Tony Ortega...let's pile on this girl just because she is a Scientologist.  So what of she sang for Tom Cruise?  What does that mean?  Except she was a damn good singer!  Just pitiful and Tony you should be ashamed of yourself! 

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Hi Folks...

This is just a bit off 'Topic' .... but it needs to be said... Repeatedly & Loudly... so pass it on to any and all people you may or may not know.

It is this...

Never, never, never enter onto Church of Scientology Real Estate or Property...

You will lose all of your Constitutional Rights as soon as you do that... the Law of the Land will not protect or enforce your 'safety or rights'.... in fact, they are more likely to enforce the will of the church against you.

The Church of Scientology has used this Religion/Diplomatic Embassy Immunity in courts over and over again.... and won.  

This is a "First Factor" strategy for the acquisition of Real Estate around the World.

IT is a TRAP.

Boudicca Gladiatrix
Boudicca Gladiatrix

Except STDs or worst case scenario, AIDS if not protected. Protect yourself if you are going to be promiscous!, thats the only thing to take into consideration. Now go enjoy yourselves.

Brainslugged
Brainslugged

Great Freewinds video. I love the way all the backup singers are dancing like they're 8-months pregnant.

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

I don't think it's fair to penalize her for working hard to break the industry-Leona Lewis won British X Factor after going to the same performing arts school as Adele and Amy Winehouse. And she released demos. I'd rather someone like that, than someone who just woke up one day and decided to be a singer. 

Also, the Scientology thing is unfair. I'm from England, which is far more secular and tolerant than America. People have a right to believe what they want, so long as it doesn't hurt others. As far as i'm aware, scientology isn't actively hurting or attacking anyone. Rather, it is the other way around. It's very narrow minded of this article to criticize Scientology for stating that Jesus is a figment. But is it not just as crazy for Creationism to say that the world is only 2000 years old? Come on-this is AWFUL journalism; using religion as a weapon, and a misdirected weapon for that matter. 

The abuse claims are more serious though, I admit-but you would not believe what these shows will make people do to get a 'sob story'. My friend auditioned for X Factor UK, and was asked to cry and look out of a window for camera because she didn't have a father. In reality, it didn't affect her. But yes, Stacy is an adult who should not have said those things on TV or consented to doing so. If I was her ex-husband, I would either peacefully talk to her or peacefully talk to the police; not to the media. Seems he is just as desperate as you're making her out to be. 

I really think this is being blown out of proportion, and the past career and Scientology stuff is borderline bullying, sabotage and prejudice. And come on, Perez as a source-he's the most vile, bullying creature of them all, who is hiding his old bullying ways by masking what he's doing to sabotage Stacy as 'doing us all a favor'. Take the rose tinted spectacles off please, and see him for what he is-hate personified.

Susan7
Susan7

And that if anything feels very much violence....

SP  'Onage
SP 'Onage

Well...it's the same face Stacy lived with for four years and married. So what's that say about her character?

Bottom line is, he didn't make her famous so she cheated and moved on to her next victim.

Realitycheck
Realitycheck

You mean the one who moved her across the country, paid for an apartment for her, so that she could audition around L.A. and "be taken seriously in the industry"?

Or the one who apparently left her with all their mutual belongings + a $60,000 ring when they broke up because she cheated on him?

He even said that her voice was part of what he fell in love with.  

Or are you saying that you believe someone now very much known as a pathological liar?

B.HENRI
B.HENRI

And instead I should take Stacy's word for it? A well-known, proven liar? 

I don't think it's fair for everyone to cast this guy as an abuser, just on Stacy's word. And they are, because Stacy put him in the spotlight.

I am not choosing a side on this particular matter either way. And this story doesn't change my opinion of her. 

Stacy dragged him into it. This was 12 years ago. She had been remarried, had a kid, worked hard to further her career (despite her lie that says otherwise). She was able to move on and did a lot since then, much more to talk about. It's not very classy to bring someone into it ON TV, like she did, true or not true.

We have seen how easy it was for Stacy to create stories and lie, exaggerate, or twists truths around and mislead. She is doing it in a competition and probably trying to make the character we saw on TV more believable. So why would it stop there? I just wish she never brought the whole thing up, i don't think it was right to do on TV, or fair to do it in a competition when she could be lieing or embellishing to further her chances... as she did about many other things.

I agree, it should have been about the singing, and Stacy should have focused on that instead of her sob-stories. And telling lies to make herself appear as someone she is not.

More proof of her many, many more lies out there then Perez. Look on the WhyWeProtest. net forums for lots of it:D

.   

red_zone
red_zone

There is enough to suggest she's lying about the abuse, as video shows her singing at Tom Cruise's birthday party on the Freewinds in 2004, during the 12 year time gap where she CLAIMS she was abused.

Right there should be enough to cast her claims of abuse into doubt. To say nothing of hte fact that she has worked with Madonna, Shaka Khan and Prince. This is ALL DOCUMENTED. And that should be grounds for her removal from the show.

I really am sick of such wimp-ass excuses like 'Waahhh, they're no diffenret from Catholics'. Catholicism doctirnes do NOT have instructions on how to LIE to people. Which Stacy clearly has done to further her own career.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

I think this comment encapsulates this entire article, and why it's newsworthy at all.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Others have run into that before. I think the solution is to log out and then log back in as your correct handle. Sorry for the hassles.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Yeah, that damn internet - that's been screwing up Scientology for years now! Who'da thought, huh? Clearly not LRH, in spite of his super-human powers. You'd think an OT-25 or whatever he fancied himself to be could have foreseen a future in which lies could be exposed with a quick Google search...  ;-)

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

I think the issue is that a) she has apparently lied about it, which adds just more lies to her ever-widening base of lies, and b) she sang for the evil dwarf and his BFF on board Freewinds, which is just plain funny.

Also, her overwrought claims of loving Jesus are incompatible with being a Scientologist, which IS germane to the whole topic of Scientology and how they lie to the public, the media, and newcomers that you can be both a Christian AND a Scientologist, when we all know for a fact that is not true.

Those are the connections that I feel makes this story an important one in the overall landscape of reporting on Scientology.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Hi Mike - how's the beans & rice there at Int these days?

Domino
Domino

So you admit she is a Scientologist. Thank you for clearing that lie up. Now go remind her, it seems to have slipped her mind.

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

If you read the article, it is the fact that she may have lied about domestic abuse and other situations that is the focus of the article.

But while we're on the subject, she appears to have lied about being a Scientologist too.

MarkStark
MarkStark

AKA "The Freewinds Zombettes." You've got to admit, the band (Jive Asses?) is pretty good though.

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Burnsbm, Scientology DOES actively hurt and attack people.  You need to do a lot more reading, dear.  

You just invalidated your entire argument with that one sentence.

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

No the reason people are going after her is because she's lying about these abuse her ex did to her and hiding her past. That's the inherent problem.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

"Also, the Scientology thing is unfair. I'm from England, which is far more secular and tolerant than America. People have a right to believe what they want, so long as it doesn't hurt others. As far as i'm aware, scientology isn't actively hurting or attacking anyone. Rather, it is the other way around."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  That's a good one. Dude, do some reading on Scientology so you won't look like such an uninformed nincompoop. You are completely and utterly off-base here.

(Or you're OSA...in which case...BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!)

red_zone
red_zone

She lied about her circumstances and deceived the public about her past. These were not little things she lied about, either.

 That should be grounds for being removed from the show.

JSR
JSR

YOU: "It's very narrow minded of this article to criticize Scientology for stating that Jesus is a figment. "

AND THE ARTICLE: "I explained that higher-level Scientologists are asked to accept that Jesus Christ was not real but was an implanted memory placed in our alien souls 75 million years ago. (Something I had confirmed by church spokeswoman Karin Pouw more than a decade ago.) Francis, I pointed out, may still be a lower-level church member who has not been asked to accept that Jesus is a figment."

How is describing that Jesus is a figment, critizing the Scientology? It's stating a simple fact about the religions belief, backed up with a source. There was no opinion either way. Are you just wanting to tear it apart, you didn't read it properly?

The article describes JESUS being a figment according to Scientogists beliefs for the purpose of illustrating how the two relgions can not co-exist. This was brought up because the interviewer was asked if it was possible for one to practice both Scientolgy and Christianity. Better yet, the article goes on to suggest that Francis may not have been taught that yet in Scientology depending on the level she has reached; and thus making it possible for her to be practicing both religions without any guilt.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

It's obvious you haven't researched Scientology.

Google "Crimes of Scientology" or better still, look Scientology up on YouTube. Then you'll understand why people are no longer tolerating the machine of corporate greed and abuses Scientology bestows on people of our world.

B.HENRI
B.HENRI

And who says Perez is the source? He has released a couple little things compared to the mountain of evidence online.People have been digging up the stuff on her. And posted it in an online forum. With source. Real documented evidence (images, vids, articles etc)

It's one thing for XFACTOR to portray so misleading as they did. But she lies about all the work she has been doing off the show in her tweets and interviews. Not assuming that she is lieing. Looking at the proof.

I don't really care that her ex-husband spoke out. Stacy brought the spotlight onto him.  And it's understandable that he might want to defend himself when everyone is calling him an abuser.

But at the end of the day it's about Stacy who put herself in the spotlight. She lies theres no doubt about it. She is essentially trying to cheat. And this article hasn't proven that to me in anyway. I have seen enough, all the proof of her constant lies.

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

Google any of the following:

"Operation Freakout""Operation Snow White""Lisa McPherson""Kyle Brennan""Ex Scientology Kids""Jan Eastgate""French Fraud Conviction""Scientology Forced Abortions"

Scientology does too hurt people. From tiny lies to holding people against their will at gunpoint and refusing to return their passports they are an utterly harmful organization. After the first few months, public scientologists will have witnessed dishonesty and abuse although they may be love-bombed or told the people "pulled it in" so they shouldn't feel sorry for them.  

The mind control is so strong that it often takes years or decades for someone to escape - but at this point there are probably more ex-members than members so the stories and techniques are quite public.

poohbah
poohbah

hello OSA took you all week to write that up

Susan7
Susan7

He also still continue to say she is only broadway singer and have actually no chance anything morethan that.........

Mia_13
Mia_13

What? You think because Stacy did a gig on a cruise ship that there is NO WAY she could have been experiencing verbal abuse? r u serious? There is NO rule stating you can't have a prior career to be on X Factor. Stacy is in the over 30 group who ALL have prior careers. Stacy talked about being on Broadway to the producers according to people who were in the audience. So much misinformation is being spun by liars like Perez Hilton. Why don't you people tear apart everything every other contestant has said and done or is Stacy the poster child for that this year?

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

"I really am sick of such wimp-ass excuses like 'Waahhh, they're no diffenret from Catholics'. Catholicism doctirnes do NOT have instructions on how to LIE to people. Which Stacy clearly has done to further her own career."

Feeling the need to quote this for truth.  Anyone who says "oh, Scientology is just like other religions, warts and all" is a) missing the very real difference and b) I mistrust immediately because it's Scientologists' favorite line.

NO IT IS NOT, LYING IS IN THE DOCTRINE AND DOGMA.  You have to lie (eventually) as a good Scientologist.

Jgg
Jgg

  He invented the internet, didn't he?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Perhaps. But Occam's Razor suggests that her primary motivations are rather common and do not require Scientology to explain her behavior. I've known enough hyper-emotional Drama Queens from my days of recording classical music for rebroadcast on radio. It's hard to beat a desperate singer, struggling to make a career, for the kind of OTT behavior that Stacy has demonstrated.

Jgg
Jgg

"Scientology isn't actively hurting or attacking anyone."

Oh really--what are doing to Rathbun and Rinder?  What are they doing to Shelly?  And the Sea Org?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Two things. First, Jesus was fiction. If one attempts to follow the "Historical" documentation of Jesus Christ, one gets to a dead end around the time of the writing of the Gospels, which can be documented no closer then about 70 years after the fact. I know that's controversial, but Occam's Razor can only cut so fine. If there's nothing to cut . . .

Second, L. Ron Hubbard borrowed a lot of his "Tech" from his "Good Friend" [LRH's words] Aleister Crowley. It is safe to say that Crowley's teachings are not compatible with Christianity.

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

Yes, and I can cite just as many, if not more examples of any religion in the world being used to harm people. Christianity has been used for hate towards homosexuals, women, the body. Catholicism even tells us we are born with sin. I personally am an atheist, but I appreciate and respect the beliefs of others-so long as they themselves are not using it to hurt others; that includes Christians or Scientologists. There is no evidence of Stacy using it for hate-so don't use religion as a weapon against her. That's all i'm saying.

red_zone
red_zone

This isn't about her having a previous career. This is about her LYING about having a previous career. She claimed she DIDN'T have any experience and that she was denied having one because of her 'abusive ex-husband for 12 years'.

At the time that vid was shot (in 2004), her ex was ALREADY MARRIED to his current wife. He's been married 10 years now with two kids. In that vid, at that time, he was married to his current wife for three.

Think about that for a minute. How can her ex-husband, whom she was with for 4 years, be abusing her if he was already married to his now wife? How is that NOT inconsistent with her claims?

You insist Perez is a liar, but the evidence speaks for itself. Stacy lied about her past and it appears she's lying about this to garner sympathy, which is damned LOW.

She LIED abotu having worked in the industry. She LIED about never having worked with any big named stars before. And now it looks like she's lying abotu abuse that happened around the time when she was NO LONGER INVOLVED with the very person she's accusing.

Nothing but lies, lies, lies! And they are documented for all to see.

Why should people turn a blind eye to that?

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

That response actually made me laugh-thanks for making my day :-) I'll make sure to keep an eye out for anyone who speaks only acceptable truths, and of course to deduce from that the logical consequence that they are members of a destructive cult. ESPECIALLY if they are on the X Factor. Second thoughts, maybe I should change my name to 'Endbullshitnow'. 

Jgg
Jgg

  Thoroughly brainwashed.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Stacy is doing what performers with a theatrical background do—milking it for all it's worth. This is not a Scientology thing per say, but it is the quintessential action of a desperate actor. There's a lot of that going on these days. She's just another "Drama Queen." That makes her perfect fodder for Simon Cowell's manipulations. But what Stacy is doing does not seem to be extraordinary.

She's desperate, get used to it.

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Look at the tag for this article and then re-write your statement.  Stacy is doing what all good Scientologists do....speak only acceptable truths.  That's a tenet in the so-called dogma that you follow so the dogma you follow is fair game (and not the type of fair game your people practice).

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

Firstly, don't call me a scientologist and then call Scientology a destructive cult-now that's just rude, and a scientologist I am not, secondly-I'm all for doubts, but not for attack. Claims such as 'is a destructive cult' do not equal doubt; they equal attack. Thirdly-why don't you start doing some reading and look back on this thread. I have admitted that Scientology is different, that its methods are questionable and that there is merit in some (founded, evidence based) criticism of it. However, as I have said earlier; this article is about stacy Francis; a contestant on a reality show. All I'm doing is defending her right to believe what she wants, and asking that you target Scientology, not said reality tv star. As robinlandseadel said; right cause, wrong target,

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Mr. Scientologist Burnsbm,

It's OK to have doubts.  Using the argument of 'religious intolerance' doesn't work on critics of a cult.  Scientology is not a religion, it is a destructive cult.  Do yourself a favor and start reading.

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

Stacy FrancisPERSONAL VALUES & INTEGRITY COURSECelebrity 3512003-09-01

Stacy FrancisHUBBARD DIANETICS SEMINARCelebrity 3512003-09-01

Stacy FrancisPURIFICATION RUNDOWNCelebrity 3532003-12-01

Stacy FrancisOBJECTIVESCelebrity 3572004-04-01

Stacy FrancisOVERCOMING UPS AND DOWNS IN LIFE COURSECelebrity 3572004-04-01

Stacy FrancisTRS & OBJECTIVES CO-AUDIT COURSECelebrity 3592004-07-01

Stacy FrancisHOW TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS IN LIFE COURSECelebrity 3592004-07-01

Stacy FrancisBASIC STUDY MANUALCelebrity 3592004-07-01

Stacy FrancisSPECIAL COURSE IN HUMAN EVALUATIONCelebrity 3612004-10-01

Stacy FrancisROUTE TO INFINITY COURSEFreewinds 542004-10-01

Stacy FrancisKEY TO LIFE COURSEFreewinds 592005-09-01

Stacy FrancisKEY TO LIFE COURSEFreewinds 602005-11-01

Stacy FrancisHAVINGNESS RUNDOWN AUDITINGSource 1872007-01-01

Stacy FrancisSUCCESS CONGRESS COURSEFreewinds 672007-03-01

Stacy FrancisSTATE OF MAN CONGRESS COURSEFreewinds 682007-06-01

Stacy FrancisSCIENTOLOGY 8-80 COURSEFreewinds 762010-02-01

Stacy FrancisSCIENTOLOGY 8-8008 COURSEFreewinds 762010-02-01

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

She's obviously being accused of lying about domestic violence, to further her own story and pull on heartstrings.  Much of what is in this article could be construed as "shore stories", "acceptable truths", and even a bit of "fair game" as far as combatting her ex with salacious accusations.  If you google those three things you'll find they're Scientology doctrine.  No other major religion has this type of dishonest tenet as major portions of their actual dogma - Scientology is 100% unique that way.

You can also google the concept "greatest good for greatest number of dynamics", which helps a Scientologist justify whatever shady tactics or odius outcomes they want.  

So with my knowledge and from my view, she is spewing hate and hurting people based on what Scientology tells her to do.  Not to mention the money she'd be obliged to put into that abusive organization if she won - which certainly would feed into the hate and control and top-heavy wealth building of the "church."

Again, this story is about other lies she has told, but it is here, in Tony's corner because she is a Scientologist and that's generally the topic he covers.  

(I'll put in her Scientology course completions in another comment, but I'm not sure how the formatting is going to hold up in this comment system. You can google tidbits of it to find the published proof she is actually a Scientologist that way)

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

While the points Red Zone makes are pertinent as regards CO$, you're right—Scientology isn't really the story in the case of Stacy Francis. Right cause, wrong target.

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

Firstly, I don't claim to be anything i'm not. Secondly, you missed my point-just like the person I was responding to. If you read my response, you would see that I was merely illustrating that all religions, as you yourself say, can be used for bad. I concede that Scientology is different, though i'm not too sure I'm willing to accept that it was created solely for bad. That is besides the point; what I was trying to say, is that Stacy Francis is entitled to believe what she wants. Not only is there no concrete evidence to suggest she is a Scientologist, if she is, there is no evidence to suggest she; as a person, and individual, is using that belief for harm. So-criticise Scientology by all means-I will not disagree with you that some of its methods are questionable. But what I am against is people attacking someone for failures that are not their own, and using their beliefs against them. It's a slippery slope which leads to criticizing people for any beliefs other than your own. If you're so passionate against Scientology-attack Scientology, not Stacy Francis via the Village Voice.

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

Nice try. Claim to be an atheist then use lines right out of the Scientology PR manual.  Just in case you are actually that naive, I will explain.

No, all religions were not created for the sole purpose of giving their founder wealth and worldwide power.  We have people still alive who can attest to the lies and manipulations of this "founder of the religion" that Scientology revere.  Almost any religion or ideology (doesn't have to be spiritual, political ideologies are used too) can be used by a corrupt person or group to act the same way.  The difference is that Scientology was created that way, and has never acted any differently.  There have been lies, scams, and abuses from day one and the same things persist today, albeit under the protection of those fooled into defending the "church" - members, law enforcement, even the government was blackmailed (see "Operation Snow White").

It's not called brainwashing when you can go home and ask all your friends what their experiences have been and telling them yours without being hooked up to a lie detector and screamed at afterwards. 

The story about the world being created in seven days, walking on water - or even the 72 virgins story is public knowledge.  Anyone who wants to join those religions can figure out ahead of time what they are agreeing to when they join.

In contrast, Scientologists are punished for talking about Scientology with anyone who disagrees with the dogma or foundations.  It is kept completely secret and one "earns" the right to find out what they are agreeing to by paying money and being cooperative.

If all potential Scientologists could read the entire OT levels before deciding to join, deciding to give their lives over to the goals of the founder (i.e. "Source"), then maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.  How many Scientologists still deny Xenu appears in their belief system?  That would be like having a worldwide Christianity poll and finding out only 5% of Christians are allowed to read the book of Genisis.

Scientology counts on secrecy, intimidation, and having a "member" agree to believe 100% before they know what they will be believing.  Any sign of doubt is enough to get one "routed to ethics officer" where they will get a tune-up brainwash and threats.  That's how they get away with their lies, manipulations, intimidation, harassment, and abuse.

Burnsbm
Burnsbm

Your naivety really is amusing; if anything, you have been brainwashed to be suspicious of any faith or religion alternative to the norms of the society you live in. Not only have all religions, at some point, been used for the power and wealth of their leaders, since time immemorial. Any religion that exists, has at some point been used for to, propagate or as you say 'brainwash' ideas into people; why millions of people believe that the world was created in 7 days, that a man walked on water, that a man parted the seas, that the world is only 2000 years old, that heaven consists of 72 virgins etc. etc.  If you're going to criticize Scientology for brainwashing, then i'm afraid you're going to be hung by your own noose.  I repeat, let people believe what they want to believe, until THEY THEMSELVES use it for hate. When you show me that Stacy Francis does so, I will concede to your argument. But until then, you're just demonstrating your narrow mindedness.

Iloveosaforamusement
Iloveosaforamusement

Nice straw man.  

Scientology was created to do exactly what it is doing - make money for the guy in charge while keeping the money-making minons brainwashed and believing they are "helping" when they lie, physically abuse, belittle, bully, and step all over everyone in their own lives.

There is absolutely no comparison because it's a scam being wrapped in religion.  And yes, Stacy Francis lies about it because she knows that most people find it completely absurd and abusive.

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