Scientology Leftovers: Commenters of the Week!

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We're still recovering here in the underground bunker from this week's big feast. The leftover turkey is still holding out as we look back on the past week of Scientology watching here at Runnin' Scared.

We started things off Sunday morning with a look at Part 3 of "The Money Machine," the great new series about Scientology's high-pressure fundraising by the journalists at the St. Pete Times. We were happy to see that regular reader Synthia Fagen had a star turn in this installment of the project!

Sunday afternoon, after the morning open thread, we posted our video report of the "fancy raid" put on Saturday evening by NYC's Anonymous chapter.

Monday morning, we celebrated Part 4 of the St. Pete Times series, which looked at how the $100 million Super Power Building in Clearwater has served as such a cash cow for the church.

That evening, we posted a remarkable video showing a Scientology executive hitting up the people at a New Year's Eve party for thousands of dollars. We thought it made for a great companion to what the St. Pete Times has been putting out this week.

Tuesday morning, we took a look at the curious career of Chill EB, a Bay Area rapper who, years after he had some minor radio hits, has become the in-house hip hop entertainer for Scientology.

The next morning, we posted a remarkable Direct Message conversation that I had with Chill EB after our story the previous day had caught his attention.

On Thursday, we posted our Thanksgiving tribute to Paulette Cooper, not only to salute her courage but also to mark the 40th anniversary since the publication of her book, The Scandal of Scientology.

And yesterday, we continued our new Friday feature, This Week Aboard the Apollo, with excerpts written by L. Ron Hubbard while he was sailing the Mediterranean from 1968 to 1971.

So let's get to the awards!

With part 3 of the St. Pete Times series, Synthia Fagen took her turn in the spotlight, and we liked a response from Schockenawd:

Synthia, thank you very much for being so brave. Now, as you know, your trash will be sorted; your privacy will be gone; your world may be upended. But, it is your act of shoving it in DM's face -- and the similar acts of others who have come before you and those who will come along in future days and months -- that slowly chips away at the facade and will literally save others from wasting decades of their lives in the service of an unimaginably despicable organization. How ironic. They told you you were saving the planet by cleaning out your comrades' bank accounts. Instead, it is only now, after your departure from them, that you can actually begin to save anyone at all.

And we were also happy to see Synthia Fagen speak up as well...

Something drastic has happened in the last decade and more specifically the last 5 years. It's called "Straight up and Vertical" where DM took it upon himself to, at a very rapid pace, commit all of the parishioners money to fund his grandiose ideas (apparently helped along by Tom Cruise who allegedly complained to Miscavige that orgs were too "downstat" for him to send people into) of what it was going to take to clear earth.

It is a pressure cooker. It's hard to explain in this short space. Maybe I will create a blog posting about it and really examine how people are willing to stay in this environment. Of course it is insane.

There are lots of people sitting on the sidelines waiting for something to change. Most people have been conditioned to believe that real Scientology only exists inside the church and for those who want to continue with it (I am not one of those), leaving the subject entirely is not an option.

There are far less public inside orgs and fewer staff. It is disintegrating.


With part 4 of their series, Tobin and Childs turned the spotlight on Scientology's Super Power building in Clearwater, Florida, and we loved this reaction from Patty Moher:

I was present at the Super Power ground breaking ceremony, which was held on November 21, 1998. Exactly 13 years ago today! I sat in the temporary bleachers with the hoi polloi while the hoiti toiti (rich "upstat" dupes) sat on the ground row with nice seats. DM with there as well as Lauri Webster (formerly a reg from the Boston Org in the mid 1970's) and the other Int execs that weren't yet imprisoned by DM. There was the usual tacky glitz and glitter of a DM production. I'm so happy I never gave one thin dime to the Super Power Project.

To bolster what Tobin and Childs were saying about the unusual, high-pressure fundraising tactics of the church, we posted a video of a Scientology executive hitting up some Taiwanese New Year's Eve partiers for several thousands dollars. This response from candace6 made us chuckle:

This was really uncomfortable to watch. Religion my ass.

But as we reported, church defender Mark Miglio stood up for the odd pre-midnight appeal for money:

Tony, your Taiwan video shows the dedication of Scientologists-------that even at a New Year's celebration we took time out to raise money for what is really important.

Another response we liked was this one by TrueScientol:

I really liked the video. It was very spiritual. It really put me in the mood to be more spiritual and go withdraw my retirement fund. I also thought it would be more spiritual if I donated my childrens tuition funds. They don't really need education anyway.

On Tuesday, we reviewed the odd career of rapper Chill EB, and showed his latest anti-psychiatry video, "Define Better," which links to CCHR, Scientology's anti-psychiatry front group. The video prompted a lot of different reactions. We thought JustCallMeMary put things in perspective well:

Very powerful video on 'Define Better'. Very persuasive. The problem is that CCHR & Scientology generalize about these medications and their effects, and they have no real viable scientifically valid solutions to helping children who are suffering from ( and I say that in truth) mental effects of disorders like ADHD, Autism, Schizophrenia, and manic-depression (Bipolarism). Most Scientologists have no experience with children like these and when they do, they disconnect from them as they get older, after 'Scientology' failed to correct the problems. Many of these children are now as adults called 'downstat', or 'degraded beings' by the cult. I have been on both side of the fence on this issue. I was once a strong proponent of CCHR and its agenda when I was a member of the church. Scientologists live in a bubble and have no reality of what life is like for these children and their families.

Another good one along the same line came from anon anon song:

The problem with CCHR is that it takes a legitimate point of concern (ie over-prescriptions), puts a self-serving spin on it, shuts down all possibility of dialogue between the medical community, families, etc., ignores a case-by-case approach, and hits the whole subject out of the moonbat park.

Runnin' Scared regular Alanzo, however, was struck by the quality of Chill's video:

I have more respect for Chill EB after seeing his "Define Better" vid. It's too bad he let himself be used by the Church of Scientology to raise money for the IAS. But he obviously believed in what he was doing, and so there ya go. I am not a member of CCHR, nor am I a Scientologist in any way. I do not support the destruction of psychiatry and I know that psychiatrists help people every day. I believe they are extremely valuable to society and are our only hope of finding answers to mental illness. But psychiatrists, and the medical industry in general, are not above criticism. The profit motive in the medical industry can corrupt the quality of treatment that people receive, and does so every day. It is important to keep our attention on that. If an artist does it, or someone like Ralph Nader does it, or the family of a dead patient does it, we should listen, and we should think. Again, I appreciate Chill EB for making this statement.

Late Tuesday night, I managed to have a DM conversation through Twitter with Chill EB. I posted the transcript of that conversation, and I think a lot of us were really surprised -- and pleased -- to see this appeal to Chill from an old friend, VanessaRecordsRIP:

Listen dogg, you gotta know what you're into here. Some of these guys are right! Go to YouTube and you need to search out "What's The Matter With You, Hat?" which is a video clip where L Ron Hubbard is talking about all kinds of crazy stuff but the racist shit is there and also the anti-Christian stuff is there. LRH was best buddies with Aleister Crowley, dog, he ain't cool at all. If you're making money from Scientology then all good, but be careful with those guys!! Stay away from the shit they be trying to put in your head. I'm just trying to tell it like it is brother. You don't need that.

The Chill EB interview also brought out a number of new church defenders. (We were getting so used to Mark Miglio and Marcotai!) Suddenly, we were getting slapped around by several readers, like Ben:

Tony O is such a card -- his messages are dripping with sarcasm and insincerity. All for the sake of clickbait, of getting people to read his tabloid, he is harrassing Chill and squeezing him for more information. His history of writing about Scientology says it all, -- his unrelenting bias and pursuit of "dirt" that he can dish out. Scientology remains a strong and vibrant organization. Nobody has to answer to Tony O about their religious beliefs; he doesn't deserve an explanation. Leave Chill alone.

Ben, where have you been? Welcome to the fray.

On Thanksgiving, we revealed the tribute to Paulette Cooper that we've been working on for some time. We really enjoyed the tributes to her by our readers. There was this one by Banchukita:

I remember reading The Scandal of Scientology when I was a teenager; my sister worked in a bookstore and she gave it to me. As a young woman who wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein when I grew up in an era where nice girls didn't do that, Paulette Cooper was -- and still is -- my idol.

And this gem by Jefferson Hawkins:

Paulette has been an inspiration for all those who have spoken out since. She was the trailblazer, and incurred the wrath of Scientology at a time when they could focus their considerable resources on one lone whistleblower. And she survived, demonstrating her amazing strength and intelligence. Now, there are literally thousands speaking out against Scientology abuses, thanks to this brave pioneer.

And another by Barbara Graham:

It was Paulette's story, along with that of Dennis Erlich, profiled on Investigative Reports on A&E that got me looking into Scientology as a train wreck worthy of slowing down to gawk at. How did Tom Cruise put it? "Wild and wooley." Yeah, like that. With Guy Fawkes masks.

On Friday's installment of This Week Aboard the Apollo, we excerpted an odd note by L. Ron Hubbard, who said he was doing "his job" to reduced "unchecked air use," which was adding to the world's pollution problems. We asked readers what they thought that signified, and we loved SFF's quick comeback:

"What is the threat of "unchecked air use" to the planet, and what, exactly, would Hubbard be doing as his "job" to counter it?" Hubbard was doing his part to minimize oxygen use by inhaling solely through unfiltered Kools.

And finally, we were excited to find a reference to "A Bornstein" in a 1971 document, a reference to a party in Portugal. We were looking forward to hearing from regular reader Kate Bornstein (who used to be Al Bornstein), and she didn't disappoint:

Oh Tony, you are an evil evil being for restimulating me with clips from the Nov '71 OODs. Now I've got my engrams in a twist and I'm having a hard time remembering. I think I'd been busted off my post as Flag Public Relations Officer a few months earlier, and assigned to the Deck Force where a few weeks later I was promoted to First Mate. I had no business holding that job because I knew nothing about ships! But I was the ranking officer on the Deck Force, and the mantra was "make it go right." The Captain ordered me to remember all my nautical knowledge from my earlier lifetimes on ships. Truth.

I do remember the panic engendered by the Old Man's prediction that the world would end in the year 2000. We were all supposed to ramp up production in response to his dire warning. And there was me, the nice Jewish boy closet case in charge of the seaworthiness of the whole frakking ship. Bad, bad Tony O--I'm so confused now, and it's all your fault. I sure would appreciate any help getting my timeline straight from any readers who were aboard in those days.

Another great week of commenting from our loyal readers! Tomorrow morning, we'll have our regular Sunday Funnies and open thread, so if there's something you've wanted to discuss that we haven't covered, please jump into the fray. Will there be a Part 5 of the St. Pete Times to talk about tomorrow morning? We'll see.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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SCIENTOLOGY IN THE VILLAGE VOICE

[All recent stories] | [Top 25 People Crippling Scientology] | [Commenters of the Week] [Thursday 2pm Stats!] | [Scientology vs. South Park]

FEATURED INVESTIGATIONS

[Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis secretly recorded discussing "disconnection"]
[Tom Cruise and Baby Suri embarrassed by news item, so someone must pay]
[Benjamin Ring, LA deputy sheriff, wants you to spend your 401K on Scientology]
[Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?]
[Scientology hates clean ice: The "Fair Game" operation that should turn your stomach]
[Scientology hates clean ice, part 2: Another target, and the web as weapon]

MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

[Scientology has Rathbun arrested] | [Rathbun and Mark Bunker reveal surprising ties]
In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]
[Lori Hodgson and Disconnection: "No one's going to take my eternity away"]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
[Character actor Jason Beghe defects noisily] | [Actor Michael Fairman reveals his "suppressive person" declaration] | [Michael Fairman talks to the Voice]
[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]
[Philip Boyd, Saving Grace actor, rips "the business that is Scientology"]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?] | [The Birmingham trove: 7,000 internal e-mails]
[Australian farmer blamed for giving Tom Cruise a bad shrimp, loses her friends, family]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
[Scientology High School, Dating and Super Powers!]



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Brian C. Butcher
Brian C. Butcher

Scientology is like alcoholism... in the beginning it seems to make all your problems go away, but in the end, it's your biggest problem!

TheGuest
TheGuest

These juicy leftovers inspired me to bake up a rappin' casserole.  Now, rap is so not my thing, but I decided to ignore facts (yes, Miglio and the Chill inpired as well).  Here's my dox:

"No Such Thing as a Holiday .... in Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee"  by  The Guest

Yo! U got my engrams in a twist like this, like thatNow I’m cruising’ Moonbat Park and I’m sliding’ up to batLike That, Like This, it ain’t Kool Yo No, to diss me‘cuz there’s no such thing as a holiday …. in Scien-Towel-Oh-GeeU got your Cash cow leftovers, pressure cooked for meWhat’s the matter with that, dripping facts in sincerityHoiti toiti, u got naughty, blowing whistles on the greedNo such thing as a holiday …. in the Scien-Towel-Oh-GeeWo! U got my engrams in a twist, down to this, damn the statsI be jumpin in your fray, float the boat, shipwreck that You be wild and wooley mad,  pollutin’ all the familyCuz there’s no such thing as a holidays …. in Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Wow, what a week! High fives, everyone!

Seriously this weeks comments have really motivated me to continue the fight.

Waiting... patiently for the 5th part of "The Money Machine."

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

This was a very good week. I think OSA pulled Ben out of the mothballs. I mean, when was the last time anyone called you 'such a card", Tony? Dripping with sarcasm, no less? Ha ha!!

BTW, Thanks for the nod :)

Kate Bornstein
Kate Bornstein

What a fun Saturday morning read. Thank you, Tony. Thank you, all. kiss kiss, Auntie Kate

MarkStark
MarkStark

This morning, I spent a few minutes reading Luis's story of the Orange County Org. One of the curious things about the Martyologists compared to the regular FZ people, is their ability to hold two disparate concepts in their minds at the same time.

For me, those two concepts would be having the freedom to speak out (supposedly bestowed by Sciloontology's tech, as well as a constitutional right) and yet anything having to do with journalists (Merchants of Chaos) is "entheta."

It is as if the Martyologists are equating the Internet or journalism on the Internet as something different than it was in LRH's time, and blaming this solely on Miscavige. How is the Internet Miscavige's fault?

It was Hubbard who didn't want members reading anything critical of the cult. It was Hubbard who didn't want "nattering" or "squirreling."

While ex-members like Synthia come out and seem perfectly sensible, and able to see the obvious, it is puzzling how people like Luis can still ignore these big contradictions. Although like Geir the Norwegian, give it time, right?

That brings me to Paulette Cooper's comment about loving David Miscavige. I think what she probably means is that with Miscavige's rigid following of Hubbard's ideas, he is towing Hubbard's boat into a time it just can't float. Any time he tries to do his own thing, like beat people or wear nice shoes, he gets in trouble for that too.

It is the time of where is Shelly Miscavige and now Tommy Davis? How long can the cult keep driving out people like Luis (Ritchy Rich), Marty (one of their best thugs evar!) and liars like Mike Rinder, or high-pressure top salespeople like Hy Levy?

How can the cult toss out Chilly B when he decides to leave? Wouldn't it be a riot if Tommy Davis becomes a Martyologist? This cult is really falling apart!

Will people in the cult equate it falling apart, with the planet falling apart, and get even stranger in an effort to save both? The whole cult is headed into a downward facing obscene dog spiral.

barbara graham
barbara graham

"Straight up and Vertical."

Tony, that is what the femanons demand from you. <lol></lol>

Alanzo
Alanzo

I think the best comment this week came from Robin Scott when, in the Paulette Cooper discussion, he wrote this:

"2:28 in on the video—'She's talking about suicide today, isn't that great for Scientology!'

'Game over.'"

For anyone who has ever been involved in Scientology, for the reasons they got involved, no truer comment was ever written. This is why Hubbard kept all GO and OSA programs, and so much else in Scientology, secret from Scientologists.

Alanzo
Alanzo

Oh. I'm a Regular now.

I thought I was a Premium.

TheGuestt
TheGuestt

ah formatting.  Hope this works better "No Such Thing as a Holiday .... in Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee"  by  The Guestt Yo! U got my engrams in a twist like this, like thatNow I’m cruising’ Moonbat Park and I’m sliding’ up to batLike That, Like This, it ain’t Kool Yo No, to diss me‘cuz there’s no such thing as a holiday …. in Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee

U got your cash cow leftovers, pressure cooked for meWhat’s the matter with this fat, dripping facts in sincerityHoiti toiti, u got naughty, blowing whistles on the greedNo such thing as a holiday …. in the Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee

Wo! U got my engrams in a twist, down to this, damn the statsI be jumpin in your fray, float the boat, shipwreck thatYou be wild and wooley mad,  pollutin’ all the familyCuz' there’s no such thing as a holiday …. in Scien-Towel-Oh-Gee

Alanzo
Alanzo

I don't think there is a fifth part.

But if there was a 5th part, what would it be? 

"Scientology reg runs down old lady, grabs her purse and pushes her to the ground - right before Thursday at 2!"

Or, "DM recruits every child of a rich couples' family into the Sea Org, then, right before Thursday at 2, threatens to put them all onto the RPF unless the couple buys their next double cheesburger status at the IAS!"

Or, "Millionaire goes all the way up the Bridge to Class 8, OT 8, then joins the Sea Org and pays all the rest of his money to the IAS, leaving him penniless. Then, just before Thursday at 2, DM puts him on a blood transfusion machine, bottles all his blood and makes him run down to the Red Cross to sell it so he can donate to the next Ideal Org Campaign!"

Or...

bobx
bobx

The last time someone called me "such a card" I think was in one of my previous lifetimes, the time I was a ship captain?  Or a DC-8 pilot?  My engrams are in such a twist!

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

Kate,  I'm too lazy to look up your email address but I want to formerly invite you to the next East Coast SP Party that will be held in August of 2012.  I hope Kate and others start planning for it now.  I'll post details publicly in a few months.  This time I'm not going to keep it secret from OSA.  Fuck OSA.  We're gonna party and you  ( OSA) can go fuck yourself.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

On the part of your comment that has to do with me...why thank you. :) They're passing out the Red Pill on ESMB where the Blue Pill doesn't seem to even be an option. ;) Every one there has helped me move through this shit faster. Thank god!

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

I just read that article on Marty's blog too. I can't understand how they hold Hubbard in such a light and blame everything bad on Miscavige. Everything I've read or heard about Hubbard says that he was a piece of shit.

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

MarkStark says:

"While ex-members like Synthia come out and seem perfectly sensible, and able to see the obvious, it is puzzling how people like Luis can still ignore these big contradictions. Although like Geir the Norwegian, give it time, right?"

Exactly.  People peal the Scn mindfuck onion at different rates.  My thought is "Slow and steady wins the race". 

Exes with any kind of balls at all will eventually come to the conclusion that it's all shit.  I hold out hope for Marty and Rinder but those two are very special kind of retards and I'm not gonna bet the ranch that they come to their senses. 

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

LOL!  Ya gots to luv teasing him.  I think he takes it well. 

Ron
Ron

Luckily they were inept at that and more direct methods:

"Next, my cousin— who was also short and slim like me— was in my apartment alone when a man arrived with a "flower delivery" for me. When she opened the door, the intruder pulled a gun out of the flowers and put it to her temple. Fortunately, the gun jammed, misfired or was empty. The man then began to choke her, and when she pulled away and screamed, he ran off."The Scandal behind "The Scandal of Scientology", Paulette Cooper.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

That's Robin Landseadel and I'll own it.

Sorry, can't talk about "Clearing the World" when you're egging someone on to commit suicide.

"The Most Ethical People on the Planet™" my ass.

MarkStark
MarkStark

You're a "regular" Chilly B's fanboy. Wear it like a bowl of porridge.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

An Alanzo comment is to this blog what my favorite picante salsa is to a fine meal.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Nice! :-P

I wonder why Chill EB hasn't followed up on any of are comments!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Bummer no 5th part? I can never get enough of the SP Times. LOL

Kate Bornstein
Kate Bornstein

An East Coast SP Party sounds divinely decadent. Quel assortment of apostates that'll be! Oh yes, please count me in. Easiest way to reach me is through Twitter—I'm reasonably sure OSA keeps tabs on me there. I bet I make 'em blush sometimes. Well, I hope I do. Everyone deserves a good blushing now and then, even those poor folks stuck keeping lookout for evil SPs like us. Yay!

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Synthia, you did a terrific job contributing to the SP Times series and you are a shining example of how easily one can leave Scientology and the mindset if one is willing to look. 

8 Steps out of ScientologyThis page was cited from an article in the Guardian UK in 1997

Now renamed TEN Steps out of Scientology

IF Scientology is a bridge to OT levels of super dooper powers why is this website (lermanet dot com ) here?Title: 9 steps out of ScientologyAuthor: Arnie LermaDate: 31 Aug 1997 17:01:27 -0700REVISED-1I was in the cult and on staff for 10 years... here are the stages I have seen... as one exits the 'Hubbardian' mind control program....1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, thenwhy is (______) going on?[ insert whatever atrocity you have recently witnessed ]2) The guys at the top must be crazy3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension[ or something similar ]4) Hubbard went crazy at the end .....5) Hubbard went crazy in 19666) Hubbard was mad from the start.7) This whole thing is a complete fraud8) my god, its a criminal organization... with criminal convictionsall over the world... and it was only about money9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT's THERE!10) realizing, after leaving Scientology, this makes one an ex-nazi and wanting to do something about ithttp://www.lermanet.com/cos/8s...

MarkStark
MarkStark

Want to read something incredible? Read Brian Culkin's post on Marty's blog by searching Brian Culkin in the Zone. He drools over Marty's blog and then proceeds to praise "the tech" and the "cognitions" he's gotten though indie auditors Jabba-the-Ethier and Ken Urquart.

Now, I'd be happy to point any cult-stunned e-meter addict to Marty or other Indie auditor, but I just expect someone who finished college and is relatively new to this to do a little more reading about the history of the cult. Shouldn't the tech be producing a whole bunch of wildly successful people who "audit for free" to save the planet? Shouldn't that have happened years ago if it really works at doing what it claims?

Xenu
Xenu

When you're brainwashed, and the wonderful sounding, fictional version of reality clashes with evidence, you may readily accept some flimsy excuse.  The theory that DM is an SP may have some huge problems from a non-Scientologist's perspective, but it works beautifully for devoted Scientologists.  They can still tell themselves that they, their friends and family, are all immortal, godlike beings who have access to the answers to ALL problems.  They just need to get that lousy SP out of the way.

The alternative -- thinking the whole thing through from scratch, possibly reaching less optimistic answers -- is vastly more difficult and painful.

So they invent, and agree upon, a fantasy world where Hubbard's junk used to perform miracles with monotonous consistency, until that bad SP usurped and perverted the whole thing.  They subsist on that collective truthiness.  This is why it's important for old timers from the Hubbard era to speak up, and tell how it really was -- not necessarily to dissuade any of MR's followers, but to ensure that reality isn't forgotten behind the revisionism.  Sure, Hubbard never made staff play musical chairs, but DM never threw a little kid in the chain locker AFAIK.  I don't live up to Hubbard's claims for Clear or OT, exactly like newer Clears and OTs don't.

I'm always thankful when my fellow old fogies speak truth about these things.  Please continue, folks!

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

Patty, as long as Rinder and Rathbun maintain some level of the spotlight they will forever tow the Scientology line.  They would be irrelevant without the attention, and I think their egos would not stand to be irrelevant.  Rathbun, in particular, is driven to keep attention on himself although the culties do a good job of providing the cameras and footage.

I've been following Rathbun's blog and he does seem able to peel back the mindfuck onion but only to a point.  And he gets very, very upset when anyone pushes that point with obvious facts.  

Alanzo
Alanzo

Sorry! I thought you were some kind of combo name of Robin Scott and his wife or something.

You get my vote for best comment of the week. 

Basic, succinct, piercing.

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

Alanzo is an interesting man. He and I have duked it out on other forums in a "wild and wooley" way, but I still love him.   I hope he comes to the next SP Party. 

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

He probably doesn't have a scilon there to monitor and help him with his posts on the board.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Are = our

Not thinking straight, I gots me a turkey and black Friday hangover. lol

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

"They can still tell themselves that they, their friends and family, are all immortal, godlike beings who have access to the answers to ALL problems.  They just need to get that lousy SP out of the way."

^^This is why we need more published 1st hand accounts of the old man himself. Oh how i dream of the day his children can finally come forwards and set the record straight from their perspective.

Alanzo
Alanzo

A completely unsolicited endorsement. No payment of any kind passed hands.

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

I am newish (compared to most non-Anon critics) and I've never seen Alonzo's blog before.  I've spent most of today reading it.....wow.  There's a lot there that would benefit the Indies if they ever stopped suckling at Marty's teet.  Great blog.

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