Scientology Storms Out of Court in France, Getting Hammered in Florida: It's Time for Thursday Stats!

Mark Bunker sent over to us another tease from his upcoming Scientology documentary, Knowledge Report, and this one is a real treat.

We've written here several times that few former Scientologists ever endured as much legal persecution and really unbelievable levels of harassment as Gerry Armstrong. But how did it all start? In this video, Gerry describes that his unpardonable sin, as a Scientologist, was an earnest desire to eliminate L. Ron Hubbard's lies about his past from church propaganda -- which he felt would benefit Scientology.

Watch Gerry describe his attempt at a good deed as we begin this week's Thursday Stats Roundup, taking a look at Scientology news from around the world. Each Thursday at 2 pm, Scientologists race to get their statistics up for a weekly measuring. And we like to do the same here at Runnin' Scared!

As Gerry explains, he had been given the task of gathering biographical documents about Hubbard so that another person could write an authorized biography of the Scientology founder.

But the more documents he gathered, the more Gerry was stunned to see how the actual historical record differed from what Hubbard had told the world about himself. When he brought this up to his superiors, and urged them to have Scientology's PR department stick to actual facts, he was hounded out of the church and then began a Kafkaesque period fighting for his ability to live a normal life. (And perhaps our astute readers could recommend the best article or book that describes Gerry's legal nightmare. I'll post an update here.)

Thursday Stats: Upstat or Downstat? While Gerry Armstrong may have paid a high personal price for his criticism of Hubbard and Scientology, any time he opens his mouth it's a serious downstat for the church.


Story #2: How do you say 'crybabies' in French?

Back in 2008, Scientology was convicted of fraud in France, and only a legal technicality kept the church from being dismantled there. Now, the church is getting an appeal trial on the fraud conviction, and as we've mentioned earlier, it has brought its usual scorched-earth approach to the proceedings. But after managing to persuade nearly all of the original complainants against it to withdraw from the case, this week things suddenly started to go bad for Scientology, according to reports we're seeing from the excellent Jonny Jacobsen and French media that's being posted at Operation Clambake and WhyWeProtest.org.

In fact, Scientology got so huffy about a ruling that didn't go its way, earlier today, the church's attorneys (more than half a dozen of them) staged a mass walkout from the trial!

Can you say waaaaaaah?

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? Coverage of Scientology's antics in France has been unsparing. The pieces we've seen have called out the church for all of its legal shenanigans. The longer this trial goes on, the bigger downstat it seems to be in that country.


Story #3: Leftover Meat Loaf

We hear that Scientologist warbler Stacy Francis really sort of tanked it singing a Meat Loaf song on X Factor last night, and she got a chewing out from mean old Simon Cowell. Does that mean she might get voted off the island tonight?

Hell, we don't know and we really couldn't care less. But it gives us another excuse to point out that Stacy is a big old Scientologist and for some reason doesn't like talking about it.

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? Talking with Michael Sandlofer again yesterday, we were reminded that there's still plenty to come out about Francis and her involvement in the Hollywood Celebrity Centre. And the longer she lasts on the show, the longer she stays in the spotlight, which would keep up interest in stories about her, right? Ah, who cares. She's been a bit of a downstat for the church up to this point, but at some point, it's hard to care about reality contestants who are so transparently chasing fame.


Story #4: Come on Joe and Tom, Give Us the Next Chapter!

We've saved this for last, but of course nothing hit the Scientology watching world this week like the new series out of the St. Petersburg Times that began appearing Sunday. Parts one and two from Joe Childs and Tom Tobin were devastating looks at the way Scientology is consumed with money making, and even more so since the release of "The Basics," revisions of L. Ron Hubbard's books on Scientology, which came out in 2007.

We are breathlessly awaiting part 3, and we would appreciate it if Tom and Joe would publish the thing, already.

Thursday's Stats: Upstat or Downstat? There's really no question, is there? This is such a big downstat for Scientology, it's likely to be the kind of thing that will fundamentally change the way the church is viewed, reported on, and talked about for years to come, which is what happened after the last special report by Childs and Tobin, 2009's "The Truth Rundown." This is the stuff David Miscavige's nightmares are made from.

Well, a pretty bad week for the church, and you'd have to expect that when the St. Pete Times is unloading with both barrels. But it's also important to keep an eye on what's happening in France. And hey, where's your response to that petition, Obama?



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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SCIENTOLOGY IN THE VILLAGE VOICE

[All recent stories] | [Top 25 People Crippling Scientology] | [Commenters of the Week] [Thursday 2pm Stats!] | [Scientology vs. South Park]

FEATURED INVESTIGATIONS

[Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis secretly recorded discussing "disconnection"]
[Tom Cruise and Baby Suri embarrassed by news item, so someone must pay]
[Benjamin Ring, LA deputy sheriff, wants you to spend your 401K on Scientology]
[Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?]
[Scientology hates clean ice: The "Fair Game" operation that should turn your stomach]
[Scientology hates clean ice, part 2: Another target, and the web as weapon]

MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

[Scientology has Rathbun arrested] | [Rathbun and Mark Bunker reveal surprising ties]
In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]
[Lori Hodgson and Disconnection: "No one's going to take my eternity away"]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
[Character actor Jason Beghe defects noisily] | [Actor Michael Fairman reveals his "suppressive person" declaration] | [Michael Fairman talks to the Voice]
[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]
[Philip Boyd, Saving Grace actor, rips "the business that is Scientology"]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?] | [The Birmingham trove: 7,000 internal e-mails]
[Australian farmer blamed for giving Tom Cruise a bad shrimp, loses her friends, family]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
[Scientology High School, Dating and Super Powers!]


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73 comments
Theoracle
Theoracle

Love the facelift Gerry!  

Tony, must you still keep sticking the knife in the single mother of two?

Richard
Richard

Gerry Armstrong is a man of incredible courage and integrity.  Scientology’s response to him really says it all.  Those in control of Scientology prefer lies which are perceived in to benefit Scientology to the truth.  Scientology leadership has no limits when it comes to deceiving their own people.  They will attempt to destroy anyone that shines the light of truth on their behavior.  Thank you Gerry and Caroline for being the wonderful people you are. 

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

Stacy Francis's lies finally paid off and she got booted off of X-Factor,  she has been know as the "Queen of Drama". Yes! She has been showing nothing but being a victim all the way through the show. What a black PR she has been for the Co$.  Good Bye Stacy, go and get some handling for your emotional baggage.  I am surprised that they church of scientology hasn't been able to handle you with their auditing!

Truthrevealed
Truthrevealed

Great job Tony!  Keep on exposing the church and their crimes.  Millions are reading your blog. Thank you!

candace6
candace6

We won't be seeing much of Stacy anymore.  What a shame.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Gerry Armstrong deserves so much credit, as a citizen, for all he's done over the years, in the discussion of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology.

I can't thank Gerry enough!    For just keeping on and making his points, Gerry's truly at the top of the list.  

When I was on the RPF's RPF, and finagled and just refused to follow the rules anymore, but still a submissive "brainwashed" Sea Org member subject, when I saw at the Los Angeles Hillhurst branch library on the internet (which I was using, my justification was I was reorienting myself to normal life and job seeking/educationg myself, and using the internet to do this), I snuck peeks at the critical anti Scientology sites, and learned that Gerry Armstrong was "still fighting, still speaking up".

Most relevant, when you are still "in" the funk of official Scientology-dom, is the name of someone you know that the church has had serious problems "handling" that person.

For me, it was David Mayo and Gerry Armstrong.   And for Gerry to still be talking, still fighting the wrongs in Scientology, when I got out, was just so huge.

Now, we live in a free speaking world, with thousands of vocal ex members, speaking up, all contactable.

If us ex members critics community were to do up some sort of awards for momentous lifetime achievement critics of the movement's faults, I'd even go as far as NAME the award the Gerry Armstrong award!

Alanzo
Alanzo

I agree Chuck.

It is clear to me that Gerry Armstrong, when faced with the worst of the cult's fair game practices, chose to endure whatever damage they could to do to him personally for the good of others. To keep speaking out so that others would know the truth about L Ron Hubbard's toxic spiritual deception - no matter what. To me, this is the very definition of a hero.And you'll find that, to this day, all the OTs in the world still can't shut up Gerry Armstrong. 

Alanzo

Aa
Aa

Perhaps the most amazing thing about Gerry Armstrong was how the cult pushed through its extremely one-sided settlement: by fair-gaming his attorney, who then pressured Gerry to sign it to save his own hide. How was this kind of blatant subversion of justice even legal?

Gerry Armstrong
Gerry Armstrong

It isn't. The contractual conditions that I have violated were unlawful and lawfully unenforceable when I signed the contract. They still are.

To understand the situation, and the duress and fraud present, that brought me to sign the Scientologists contract, see the video of my discussion in Berlin September 17.

The Scientologists paid me in settlement in December 1986 to dismiss my legal claims for 17 years of fraud and fair game. My lawsuit against the Scientologists was about to go to trial in Los Angeles Superior Court. I gave the Scientologists an excellent deal.

I took not one cent to have my basic human rights destroyed and be the Scientologists’ defenseless fair game victim for another 25 years.

That the Scientologists have all these years used the “settlement” for these evil purposes, and that no Scientologist has spoken out against this evil in all these years, is pretty good evidence that the Scientology system generates a conscienceless condition – sociopathy – in the people who call themselves Scientologists.

I released the Scientologists from all prior claims, not from future crimes or torts. They have committed, sometimes with unlawful judicial abetment, multiple and continuing crimes and torts against me. These are at this point so colossal, and to the Scientologists so unconfrontable, because the Scientologists have been able to get away with them all these years. At some point, the Scientologists will no longer get away with these crimes and torts.

The injunction that enforces the Scientologists’ contract is unlawful. The jail sentences and fines enforcing the injunction are unlawful. What the Scientologists did to obtain these orders was unlawful. What judges did along the way under color of law, without a trial, to enforce the unlawful contract and injunction, and to create the present circumstance, was unlawful.

The Scientologists are so blindly sociopathic that they made their injunction apply not only me but to “persons acting in concert” with me. Then the Scientologists made “acting in concert” with me mean nothing more than giving me something, or helping me in some way to survive.

The Scientologists sued Bob Minton for millions for giving me a computer worth a few hundred dollars, because he was “acting in concert” with me. The Scientologists have threatened many other people with enforcement of the injunction against them for acting in concert with me.

The Scientologists have also used their unlawful orders from US courts to black PR me, and persons acting in concert with me, around the world, all the way up to the top of governments.

The Scientologists use their unlawful orders to cause law enforcement and other government agencies to act against me, and against persons acting in concert with me.

Because of the clear unlawfulness of such a condition in the actual circumstances – now 43 years of my experiences with and knowledge of Scientology, a religion and global actor – many people now openly defy the Scientologists by publicly acting in concert with me. Caroline, of course, has been willfully acting in concert with me for 10 years. There’s a very excellent video around of some dozens of Anonymous proclaiming their acting in concert with me at the Vancouver Art Gallery in 2009. The Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Ministry of Justice, have acted in concert with me in knowing defiance of Scientology and of the unlawful injunction. 

A person can certainly sign a document in which he agrees to not speak about his religious experiences and knowledge, as Scientology and I have demonstrated. A person can certainly sign a document in which he agrees to not assist any member of some religious class, even his own class. No US Court, however, can lawfully enforce such contractual conditions.

Scientologists choose to call Scientology a religion. They call what they do in Scientology religious exercise. And they call Hubbard’s writings religious scripture. Obviously the Scientologists call their cult a religion and call their antisocial activities religious just to get away with them. Regardless of the irreligiousness of their motivation, however, the fact that the Scientologists determined that Scientology is religious makes it religious.

A US court can no more lawfully prevent a person from discussing his religious experiences or knowledge of the Scientology religion or punish him for doing so, than such a court can lawfully prevent and punish a person from discussing his religious experiences in the Christian religion.

A US court can no more lawfully prevent a person from, or punish a person for, assisting members of the Suppressive Person class, a religious class created by the Scientologists’ religious scripture, than such a court can lawfully prevent a person from, or punish a person for, assisting members of the Infidel class, a religious class created by Islamic and Christian religious scripture.

Add into this evil the $50,000 penalty per utterance of my religious experiences and knowledge, and the utter one-sidedness of the key conditions, and you have a monstrous, indefensible injustice.

The Scientologists identified the beneficiaries of its contract and injunction as every Scientology or Scientology affiliated church, organization or entity and all of their officers, directors, agents, representatives, employees, volunteers, successors, assigns and legal counsel. This includes, obviously, virtually every Scientologist worldwide.

According to the Scientologists, and with judicial agreement, all of the beneficiaries, the lying millions, can say whatever they want about me to anyone, no matter how false or defamatory, and I cannot respond. If I respond, it’s $50,000 per utterance, and off to jail.

Because of the Scientologists’ religious practice of fair gaming the Suppressive Person class – the class of persons who tell the truth about Hubbard and Scientology – the Scientologists have manufactured a mountain of black PR on me for me to respond to.

Their guilty knowledge of the clear unlawfulness and unconscionability of their contract and injunction, is why Scientologists, both Innies and Indies, like “Ex Int Base Staff” here, are so desperate to degrade my image to beast level. (Ref. HCO PL “Battle Tactics.”) By black PRing me as so beastly as “Ex Int Staff” is doing, the Scientologists postulate that their crimes against me become laudable, and they can “just go in all the way and obliterate” me.

The fact that I tell the truth about Scientology does not make my words any less religious than the lies that Hubbard told and Scientologists tell.

It is quite evident that the cult got away with this blatant subversion of justice because of US Federal Government support. The US had to justify and protect its 1993 grant of tax exemption, and whatever other illicit relationships it had developed with the Scientologists. Scientology v. Armstrong straddles the 1993 IRS decision, just as the case straddles the Hubbard to Miscavige regime change. The case threatened to make the Government’s decision to make an ally of Scientology look very uncool. The decision was uncool, and the US still has to correct the injustice it helped Scientology get away with.

Obviously, the US Justice Department and the US Justice System, as well as the US Bar, have until now failed in the fight for justice for me, for persons acting in concert with me, and for other victims of the Scientologists similarly placed to me. Nevertheless, I retain the faith that each of those US entities or bodies can act to end this and related injustices, and I look forward to participating in legal proceedings to repair the wrong done. It’s a great case for a smart, conscienceful and gutsy attorney or two somewhere in the US, and can do a lot of good for a lot of people. I sense they’re still out there.

But until that attorney calls, or until the Scientologists call, I cannot but, for everyone’s sake, pillory the Scientologists around the world for their ongoing cruel, antisocial behavior. And the Scientologists cannot but do their damnedest to continue to get away with what they’ve been getting away with. 

 

DuckBenway
DuckBenway

".....is pretty good evidence that the Scientology system generates a conscienceless condition – sociopathy – in the people who call themselves Scientologists."

"Sociopathy." Precisely. Less than zero conscience. Complete lack of a moral compass of any kind.

Strip down a scientologist and all that can be found is cowardice, deceit, denial, malice, intellectual dishonesty and sociopathy.

Aa
Aa

Another downstat for Scientology:

The cult's *attempted* infiltration of the German Pirate Party has been exposed.

link: thelocal.de/politics/20111117-...

And BTW, Let's hope that the Village Voice will soon expose the link between Scientology and those "anti-child prostitution" protesters with the pink umbrellas -- we all know the cult is the hidden hand behind it all!

Ex Int Base Staff
Ex Int Base Staff

The real "crybaby" is the gigantic douchebag Gerry Armstrong.

Gerry has been on a four decade crybaby rant where he bawwsss that he is more of a victim than all Rwandan refugees put together. Let's go over the same facts again: Gerry agreed to take $800,000 from OSA legal to STFU and go away.

However, as he is a massive PR whore, Gerry decided he didn't want to STFU and preferred the limelight instead. He began his professional career as a contract-breaker who pitched himself to gullible media idiots who were too stupid to realize that gag agreements are legally binding and that Gerry is an idiot.

Plenty of other people who signed OSA gag agreements have had no problems staying quiet as they were paid to do. These gag agreements are signed all the time in corporations, lawsuits, and governments and are routine.

David Mayo signed a gag agreement for money and abides by its terms. But Gerry thinks he is some grand cosmic exception because he is a self-proclaimed messiah or prophet. Gerry is the male version of that loony tunes Barb Schwarz.

The fact is Gerry made his $800,000 bed and then didn't want to sleep in it. Gerry whines about how unfair it all was. What is unfair about $800,000? Adjusted for inflation that is about $3.5 million today. Gerry should have taken his $800,000 tax free legal settlement back in '86, changed his name, and had a nice life.

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

And all you are is a scientology sympathizer that's backing up your cult. You've got no problem with running someone into the ground that's simply trying to make the truth known to the world about your bogus religion.

Go suck a dick you piece of shit. Were tired of hearing your continued boring unchanged responses.

Valiant
Valiant

You, sir, are obnoxious. 

Endscientologynow
Endscientologynow

The suffering that Gerry experienced at the hands of the cult warrants him of our respect and admiration.  This man simply has not given up, and the man has a pair of steel ones which most ex-culties can't seem to grow.

Does he take the "never forget" stance too far in some cases?  Possibly.  Does he consider himself a professional contract breaker?  Possibly.  Does this mean he is a gigantic douchebag?  Most definitely NOT.

You should look up the words 'jury nullification' if you don't think that some legal authorities need to be broken.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

I find your defense of the crime syndicate's dirty-blood-money, pay-off-for-silence practice more than disturbing and your comment wreaks of a hidden beef with this individual that you are not making clear.

Jgg
Jgg

  Tony, you failed to include Karin's response, which said, inter alia, "the church is very proud of what we are accomplishing with parishioner donations"' the unauthorized debits were "administrative errors" and many followers "really believe" in their religion.  In other words, brainwashing is good for you.

red_zone
red_zone

'How do you say 'crybabies' in French?'

Tony,

A quick Google translate (not sure it's accurate) says 'pleurnichards'.All in all, Sci's in DEEP merde.

Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet
Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet

Oui. plural merde. Les Plural Enfants ont du besoin  pour changer les Pampers.

Angela Garcia as NeonMosfet

Alistair
Alistair

Did you factor Juliette Lewis's Bikini Vacation in this week's stats?

mjm
mjm

alright, who's been letting crackheads on the beach?

Jgg
Jgg

  Someone who can't stand her singing, I guess.

Xenu
Xenu

"Did you factor Juliette Lewis's Bikini Vacation in this week's stats?"

"There's really no question, is there? This is such a big downstat for Scientology, it's likely to be the kind of thing that will fundamentally change the way the church is viewed, reported on, and talked about for years to come... This is the stuff David Miscavige's nightmares are made from."

Alanzo
Alanzo

"[Scientology's] usual scorched-earth approach to the [legal] proceedings.." "Scientologist warbler Stacy Francis..."

LOL!

sketto
sketto

Ok, so Hubbard lied about being a physicist, but I'm sure that was his very last lie. Everything else he said was really good and smart and stuff. He only lied and tried to deceive everyone like that a couple times. Just a few times.

And besides the tech totally awesomely works and it helps people! So, who cares if the man who developed it was a fraud at heart?

All you Indies, you know what I'm talking about, right?

Alanzo
Alanzo

Everyone lies. Hitler lied way more than Hubbard did.

And anyway, this is old news.

I had many wins in Scientology so the harm that it commits to anyone else is unimportant. 

Scientology WERKS!

Wholigan
Wholigan

   I C Wot U did thare

Shipoopi
Shipoopi

I wonder if the SPT article is delayed because of all the other big news stories down there that are probably selling papers nicely?

MarkStark
MarkStark

Maybe they're building up to some bigger news:

SCAM CULT COLLAPSES!

Cult's Super Power building to be turned into Bally's Total Fitness.

SFF
SFF

Is Tommy Davis was involved in planning French legal strategies?

SFF
SFF

Rather, is Tommy Davis involved in planning French legal strategies?

Does "is was" mean anything in Scientologese?

MarkStark
MarkStark

I'm feeling a little Scoitus interruptus over the St. Pete affair too. Qu'on leur coupe la tête!

Jgg
Jgg

" the church's attorneys (more than half a dozen of them) staged a mass walkout from the trial!"

Considering how much they abuse the legal system, it's just as well.  Plus, they have their hands full in Israel, Australia, California...

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Story #2: How do you say 'crybabies' in French?

Pleurnichards. Pleurnichards grands!!

Thanks for the lowdown :) The whole week has been down, down, crybaby down.

Anon A
Anon A

Just to show how the latest St Pete Times articles hit squarely on an issue that even faithful Scientologists have a hard time with, here's a recent YouTube post from long-time Scientologist poster "vaLLarrr":

"I have ALWAYS said they [Scientology registrars] are too money hungry, right here in fact.And furthermore, I don't think it began with Miscavige but predates him. Nor in fact do I blame anyone for being upset about it, and protesting."

As anyone who watches the Scientology video comment wars on YouTube can attest, getting vaLLarrr to admit anything negative about Hubbard or Scientology is extremely difficult.  So maybe these articles will hit a nerve with other knee-jerk defenders of Scientology as well.

Wholigan
Wholigan

I know we can't post links, but where did "he" say that? The Tom Cruise/Turtle Neck/Woosh video?

MarkStark
MarkStark

Yes, it is in the famous viral "Tom Cruise Scientology Video" posted by Aleteuk, and you can currently find vaLLarr's comment about 90 comments down, as it was posted one day ago.

Anon A
Anon A

Now in all fairness, it should be noted that vaLLarrr has gone on record in the past as saying that s/he felt that CoS members were pressured for money too hard and too often. It's the only real criticism vaL has ever offered of the CoS, and it only usually comes up when someone accuses vaL of never saying anything critical of Scientology.

However, the boldness of vaL's most recent criticisms in actually agreeing with quotes from the St Pete Times articles is worthy of note.  I myself am now rethinking the oft-made accusation that vaL is OSA, and not just an extremely opinionated  field auditor with too much time on his/her hands.  In any case, vaL's stated opinion is that the hard-sell is a necessary evil that "must be navigated" to reap the benefits of personal case-gain in Scientology.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

He's usually so vile! It's amazing he was even allowed to read the article, let alone comment on it. I often wondered if he was OSA or just a troll that knew a lot about scilons?

Xenu
Xenu

I remember a reg who had his office door altered so that he could lock himself in with people, and they'd be unable to let themselves out.  I believe that was in 1974.

It's nothing new, it's always been like that.

sketto
sketto

No no no. Haven't you learned anything from Marty Rathbun? It's all Miscavige's fault. 

Except for RPF, Fair Game and disconnection, Scientology was perfect and groovy under Hubbard. 

Jgg
Jgg

 "Except for RPF, Fair Game and disconnection, Scientology was perfect"

 Reminds me about a pyramid scheme that was shut down around 2000.  The owner later set up a website in his name, proclaiming himself to be a great entrepreneur, and expressing amazement at how his former underlings were not showing gratitude for what they learned from him.

  Except for the fact that 99.9% lost money (some lost over $100,000), their experience was wonderful!  So, yes, why don't they show gratitude?  Maybe he needed to also brainwash them LRH style.

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

Oh snap - this is uhhhh, rather huge. vaLLarrr sings a new tune?! Wow - never thought I'd see the day.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Well, I'll be a Body Thetan's cluster! The omnipresent cult shill sock at the Tom Cruise video, "vaLLarr" posted that? (I just checked it, he did.)

Could it be Val is not an OSA hire, and instead is just a freelance nutter troll? I thought he was stretching it a few years ago when he posted that he didn't care for Hubbard's fiction. Anyway, if he writes more stuff like that, you'd almost think he is real, and might get in trouble. Shouldn't he be sticking to the cult line about the demand for books, and how cult members just love to out-give each other, drive each other into debt and see who can max out the most credit cards, because it is so "theta?"

You know the end must be near when a shill like that starts getting a mind of his own. It's spreading! First Tommy Davis, now vaLLarrr.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Tony, I made a comment about this on your other blog, I don't think you've read it yet?

Do you think, maybe? Scilon lawyers sent a cease & desist letter to SP Times? It just seems a little odd part 3 hasn't been published yet.

Poor Jerry, that guy has gone through hell. :-(

mjm
mjm

well, the SP Time has been covering a huge death penalty trial for the last few days (geez, ya think after Casey Anthony...) so I'm thinking they're prepping pts. 3-4 to be as explosive if not more so that the first 2.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Sorry! Jerry = Gerry

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

A C&D letter wouldn't hold up publication. They'd need a court order, and if that happened, other press in the area would report on it. It's probably more an internal thing. A daily like that has layers of management, and it can be a pain. I heard that this series was ready for publication as early as May, but management fucked around for the last 6 months. That's the way it is at dailies.

Jgg
Jgg

"Wouldn't doubt, Tom Cruise is whining to "Clinton" and all his other influential scilon ass-kissers."

  I can see it now.  "Listen to me!  I did not do favors for that cult...Scientology.  I never told any to help a criminal organization just to curry favor with a celebrity."     

Jgg
Jgg

  You rhyme all the time.  You are a poet and don't even know it.

Jgg
Jgg

  The 1st Amendment is a 2-way street. They can write a letter asking him to write or not write something, Tony can throw it away.

F_Randy_Hullabaloo
F_Randy_Hullabaloo

Poynter, which is like the pointy-headed Opus Dei of sacrosanct self-righteous Journalism with a capital J (talk about a cult).

Rolling on the floor laughing!  That is the best description of Poynter I have ever heard!

Jgg
Jgg

  At least, when he reviews drafts, he doesn't look up each word in a dictionary, then take each definition of that word and make a sentence of each one, then mold a clay figure...gee, this could take 75 million years.

Old OT7
Old OT7

Awwww, c'mon Mark!  We're all SPs here and very proud of it!  It must be amazing to you to watch the biggest squirrel on the planet, Miscavage, destroy your cult!  We're all cheering him on!

Go Dwarf Go! 

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

Good first steps Mark. If vaLLarr can waiver in his delusions, so can you. Your next babystep to take is to agree that Corporate Scientology pulled it in.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

OOH! That was a good one - KAPOW! BAM! OOF! You sure got him there, Mark. Knocked it outa the park.

:::rolling eyes:::

MarkStark
MarkStark

Let me get this straight...You're a source of a source, of course of course, and no one can talk to a horse, of course, that is of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

Jgg
Jgg

  Yes, that's source.  That is the best info you have.  LRH saying smoking is good for you, Tommy saying there is no disconnection, Freedumb Mag saying there are numerous inaccuracies without citing a single one, Karin Pouw saying that Rinder and Rathbun were liars while they were in Co$...and the over-the-top letter when they just report this. 

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Okay. Thanks for the info.

Wouldn't doubt, Tom Cruise is whining to "Clinton" and all his other influential scilon ass-kissers.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Just because a series is ready to go doesn't mean you don't stop working on it up to the last minute. Also, please keep in mind, I'm getting reports about Joe and Tom secondhand, from sources we share, so I'm not claiming that I have infallible information about what's happening over there. I'm just passing on what my sources told me, that the series has been ready for months, and that there are six parts. It's just not unusual, at a daily, for delays, reshufflings, etc. You can't imagine the layers of management and bullshit at a place like that, particularly in the world of the SP Times's owner, Poynter, which is like the pointy-headed Opus Dei of sacrosanct self-righteous Journalism with a capital J (talk about a cult). Anyway, I just count myself very lucky that I print what I want when I want here at the Voice.

anon anon song
anon anon song

I had the tin foil hat on too. Thank you for the explanation. However, you state that the articles have been ready since May, yet this quote from one of the articles:

"Last month, she told the church she was participating in a Times story and suggested it would look good for Scientology if it repaid her.

Marion got her money in a cashier's check that arrived on Halloween."

Clearly an addition to update the article, but an equal indication that the CoS dreads this series... and we all know the "church's" idea of the high road.

Ron
Ron

The last time that CoS sent the SPT a threat letter over an upcoming book review, the SPT published the review AND the lawyer's over-the-top letter. Perhaps they learned a lesson?

Jgg
Jgg

  There is no prior restraint in the US, except in rare cases like national security.  The remedy is to sue for damages after any false material is published.  SP Times is not likely to see a court order.  Come to think about, when was the last time they sued SPT for libel?  And what happened to that investigation of SPT?  

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