Scientology Held Woman Aboard the Freewinds for 12 Years Against Her Will: Aussie TV

NEW: See our lengthy interview with Valeska Paris, with much more information about her background, her time aboard the Freewinds, and her memories of Tom Cruise's infamous 2004 birthday aboard the ship.

Australian journalist Steve Cannane of the ABC program Lateline e-mailed us early this morning with this stunning new report which aired only a few hours ago in that country.

Valeska Paris tells Cannane that she joined Scientology's hardcore Sea Organization -- signing its standard billion-year contract -- at only 14 years of age. Three years later, after her stepfather committed suicide and her mother denounced Scientology on French television, Paris was ordered to "disconnect" from her family. She says that church leader David Miscavige then enforced that disconnection by having her put on the cruise ship, the Freewinds, that sails the Caribbean and caters to high-level church members.

Paris was told she'd be on the ship for two weeks. Instead, she says she was held there against her will for 12 years.

For the first six years, she tells Cannane, she couldn't leave the ship without an escort. When he asks her if she tried to leave, she answers, "I'd been in Scientology my whole life. It's not like I knew how to escape."

Another former Sea Org member, Ramana Dienes-Browning, backed up Paris's claims, but ABC got denials from Scientology, which says that each of them is lying.

Paris says she spent some of her time aboard the ship working at hard labor in the engine room. At one point, the work was so arduous, she passed out for more than 4 hours. At Marty Rathbun's blog in 2010, Paris described her life on ship as a prisoner:

I was put in this small room by myself with a camera monitoring my movements. A security guard escorted me anywhere I went, I had to eat in the engine room and was not allowed to eat in the control room because it was air conditioned. I was not allowed to work with anyone so I was alone at all times...I was in the engine room for almost 3 months full time. I hated it and just wanted to get off the Ship, I was of course not allowed to call my family at all or talk to anyone.

Paris finally left the ship in 2007 when she was sent to the Rehabilitation Project Force in Sydney as punishment. The church tells the public that the RPF is a spa-like retreat that church members attend voluntarily, but ex-members always describe it more as a prison detail that is more re-education camp than Club Med.

While at the RPF, Paris met her husband, former rugby star Chris Guider, who was the subject of a previous report by Cannane. In that report, Guider talked about personally witnessing Miscavige getting violent with his employees.

It is very interesting that Paris is speaking out even though she had signed a confidentiality agreement when she left the church. Such agreements keep many people from speaking publicly, even though courts have found that such contracts can be unenforceable. Paris says she signed her agreement under duress. It will be fascinating to see if the church tries to punish her legally for breaking the agreement -- I can think of several other people who would like to tell their own experiences publicly, but are held back by concerns about their own gag orders.

Once again, meanwhile, Australian television delivers hard-hitting reporting on Scientology. Our hats are off to the journalists Down Under.


UPDATE: Here's a postscript for this story that just occurred to me. While you consider what Valeska Paris went through, cut off from her own family, unable to leave a ship she detested, keep in mind what was going on up on the fancier part of the vessel while she was being held there in 2004...


The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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Jaqueee
Jaqueee

If this was true she would have gone to the authorities and not 'Lateline' or Tony O. Its obvious that she's looking to cash in big on a load of lies knowing that there is an audience for this kind of crap. She might have taken some economics & marketing lessons while in the Sea Org…she is simply looking to supply the demand that exists for this kind of thing by placing her product on trash, manipulative sites that will A.Gobble up every word she spews and B. Pay for it! As a matter of fact, VV readers kind of remind me of Walmart shoppers from the midwest…irrational lunatics looking to buy into whatever hype might come their way. No class. You call yourselves 'free thinkers' but Tony O has obviously got your trolling habits deeply under control. His word is bible to you no matter what; maybe you're the 'brain washed cult'. This is car-crash reality TV with no more truth or merit than Kim's "wedding". 

The Kingfish
The Kingfish

True fact: L Ron Hubbard based his persona on the character of Skipper from Gilligan's Island, except without the humor and likeability.

College Degree Online
College Degree Online

Australian resident Valeska Paris Guider was held against her will on the Scientology cruise ship Freewinds for 6 years when she was 17 and made to do hard labour.

Erik Cameron
Erik Cameron

Wait, so where was her mother this whole time?

sketto
sketto

I used to think Tom Cruise was a decent guy, just searching for answers and truly enamored with the nice side of the cult. But now, I seriously wonder if he really knew nothing about all this shit going on all around him.

It's awful to think of this girl locked on this ship for years, while Miscavige throws the biggest, most extravagant party he could for his best buddy Tom Cruise.

Ronbot Hunter
Ronbot Hunter

The policy letters of their God Ron clearly state that you can lie to,harass, rob, beat and do whatever you want to a person that they declare an SPor PTS.

In fact, even if you are not PTS-SP, if you are down-stat, any staff membercan abuse you, and won’t be punished.

That goes for their slaves on the ship. Imprisonment in Scientology is afact of life.

The billion year contract gives them the right under admiralty law, to treatyou as a slave on board. The captain is the master, and you the slave.

But the admiralty law has to be with full and complete disclosure of allfacts or it is null and void in contract law.

Under the Billion year admiralty contract, you are NOT allowed to word clear it, or take your time to read it. You are given noright to refuse or else you are considered an SP if you want to investigate thecontract or even take it home for study. Once you sign it, all the people onship are slaves to whatever the captain wants. He can even kill you and throwyour body to the fish.

The facts are these, the US Federal and State attorneys use Admiralty law on land, and the rulesand statutes we think are laws, are used on land to violate the Constitution.Because admiralty law on land used upon live people, is treason!!!

So, it does not matter who said what. They did not give anyone full andcomplete disclosure in the Billion year contract, that you are their slave onland or on the seas.

The numbers are on our side. We are hundreds of thousands or by now amillion Ex-Scientologists and the Ronbots are fewer each day.

To fight them you must fight the Admiralty Contract used to enslave you.

THE RONBOT HUNTERALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Sid
Sid

"The Church says ships have religious significance to Scientologists because its founder L. Ron Hubbard had researched and ministered the first Operating Thetan levels aboard a ship."

David Mayo interview with Russell Miller (28 August 1986):-

"He (LRH) could be capable of incredible cruelty. On the ship there was an old man on the Royal Scotman who he made push a peanut round the decks with his nose. He had to get down on his hands and knees, he had to go round the deck, quite a long distance in a race with one or two others also in trouble. The first one back got let off and the last one got a double penalty.

It was really tough on this old guy, Charlie Reisdorf. The surface of the deck was very rough wood, prone to splinter, so after pushing peanuts with their noses, they all had raw, bleeding noses, leaving a trail of blood behind them. I not only saw it but the entire crew of the ship was mustered - a mandatory attendance - we were required to watch this punishment, to make an example of it for the rest of us. Reisdorf was in his late 50s probably.

His two daughters were messengers, they were 11 or 12 at time and his wife was there also. It was hard to say which was worse to watch: this old guy with a bleeding nose or his wife and kids sobbing and crying at being forced to watch this. Hubbard was standing there calling the shots, yelling, "Faster, Faster!". It was indignity, degradation and breaking a person's will, and making people watch. It was disgusting.

They used to have people locked in the chain locker, including small children. It was verydangerous because if the anchor started to slip and start running out, it would turn a body into pulp in no time at all. I saw children locked up in the chain locker."

Freespirit515
Freespirit515

The Church of Scientology: the-church-that-can-do-no-wrong.

What a load of crap.

Civmar
Civmar

I was in the Sea Org in LA for 4 years in the early 70's, one-and-a-half years spent aboard the Scientology ship Excalibur located in San Pedro Harbor.I saw my friend Steve McCar---- gang-kidnapped from the pier, as he tried to leave the ship with his bags, by 10 or more people led by Chief Officer Amos Jes---. He was carried aboard and padlocked in a deck locker. My big regret is that I didn't grab a fire axe and run to defend Steve.Why didn't I? Brainwashed, I guess. We both were allowed to "route out" from the SO a few days later, and I'm getting better every day.

Paul Katz, Dunedin, FL

Gung Ho no more.
Gung Ho no more.

As a public person on the Freewinds, once I saw a staff member from "Gold" disappear very early on during one of the "maiden voyage" events, only to be seen briefly while wearing filthy work clothes and coated with grease about two weeks later and this guy was supposedly one of their top audio-visual guys. He was sent down below apparently for making a mistake that angered one of the top execs under David Miscavige at the time.

I witnessed an environment that was brutal and vicious at times amongst the staff.

I also witnessed David Miscavige hold his hand like a gun and "shoot" someone with it purposefully to terrorize and frighten. The church of scientology, especially near the top, is a pressure cooker of insanity and brutality.

I was once a decades long dedicated scientologist, but having recovered my ability to think for myself, I want nothing else but to see the head of this cult jailed, and for the top officers to also face justice. While there is some good to be taken from Hubbards work, it does not justify the damage done and it is clear the "church" is clearly not facing up to this ongoing situation, and has not been for decades now.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

There have been a lot of comments today. People don't like human trafficking, child slavery, forced disconnection. Get it Scientology? Knock it off.

red_zone
red_zone

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for this sort of thing to continue.

An investigation. NOW.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Stalin's daughter died today. R.I.P. Her name was Svetlana Alliluyeva. She blew USSR in 1967 and settled in USA. She stated that there are no communists and capitalists, but only good and bad people.  She also said that her father was distant and paranoid. Guess what the Soviet spoke person said at the time: "Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin denounced her as a "morally unstable" and "sick person" and added, "We can only pity those who wish to use her for any political aim or for any aim of discrediting the Soviet country." (source: MSNBC)

Funny, how things can be so similar... But it only applies to politics, right?

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

I failed to mention my gratitude to Ramana Dienes-Browning for speaking up and corroboratingValeska Paris' report of being held on the ship. That took much courage and conviction. Thank you for doing the right thing.

candace6
candace6

Very nice Tony!  It's time like this that I really miss Tommy Davis. It would have been such fun watching him get angry *real angry* over this report.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Valeska's story hit the UPI at about 8:15pm EST. Yippee! 50 to 100 newspapers by tomorrow?

getbeckyout
getbeckyout

Well done for speaking out. Wake up America, wake up Uk, wake up all governments, you have to put an end to this cult. My daughter and future husband are both victims of this money grabbing CULT.

ChaosConsumer
ChaosConsumer

Plenty of ex-scientologists still have money. Plenty of anons are nuts with time on their hands. Why isn't there a Greenpeace style boat following them around and helping people escape? Der be no lawyers on the open seas, me hearty!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

What about the Sea Org men, how can they let a woman be abused? Aren't there any *REAL* men in Scientology? Or are all of them little women like they're leader?

David Miscaviage hiding behind a woman spokespersons skirt. Hahaha!

He's the biggest wuss the world has ever seen!

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

4:52—"Their response is a lie . . ."

And how is this day different from any other day? 

Is there any organization of any sort, anywhere on this planet more shameless than CO$?

MarkStark
MarkStark

"The Church says ships have religious significance to Scientologists because its founder L. Ron Hubbard had researched and ministered the first Operating Thetan levels aboard a ship."

So that's why they use it as a prison? Because Hubbard thought up Xenu while floating? How ecclesiastical. That's why every OT today can walk on water, but only when they are aboard the Prisonwinds.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Carnival's got the fun and Scientology's got the imprisonment. Freewinds to Prisonwinds. Travel the seas of prison planet Teegeeack on the Prisonwinds. Delight in having slaves cater to your every spiritual need as you climb the bridge to total freedom.

Peter
Peter

Unrelated to this story, but Jennifer Lopez can fuck a 24-year-old and I can't be in a monogamous homosexual relationship with someone my own age.

Scientology "morality" - "the most ethical people on the planet!"

Jefferson Hawkins
Jefferson Hawkins

Interesting that despite anything that happens, Scientologydoesn’t change its tactics. Definition of insanity: continuing to do the samething and expecting a different result. Over the last few years, literallythousands of former Scientologists have come forward with tales of abuse,fraud, family disconnection, violence and greed. These are real people, whohave real names and identities. They are willing to appear on camera and telltheir stories – and those stories are detailed, emotional and credible.Scientology’s only response? These people are “unreliable sources.” They are “apostates”and “criminals.” They are lying, all of them. And who is saying these things?Faceless Church of Scientology sockpuppets who will not appear on camera, will nottalk to reporters, will not answerdirect questions. Who stands up for Scientology on this or any other forum?Faceless, nameless sockpuppets with names like “Marcotai” or “Mark Miglio.” Whoare these people? No one knows. What do they look like? No one knows. Or theChurch issues a statement from “Karin Pouw.” Well, there is a real Karin Pouw – I knew her. But will she appear on camera?No. Will she talk directly to reporters? No. Has she been seen in public? No.So maybe Karin is issuing these statements and maybe she isn’t. Maybe facelessScientology bureaucrats are writing them and issuing them over her name. Andwhere are Scientology’s former spokespeople? Heber Jentzsch? Tommy Davis? MikeRinder has left the Church, we know, and has admitted that he lied over andover as spokesperson to protect the Church’s reputation. And where is Churchleader David Miscavige? Why doesn’t he appear in public and address theseallegations? Any real church leader would. But no, he hides behind nameless andfaceless identities who churn out tired, pitiful explanations and excuses. “Scientologyis experiencing unprecedented expansion,” we are told. They have “8000organizations.” Really? How come their addresses cannot be found, even on yourown websites? You have “millions of members.” Really? Then where are they? Sorry,but the Church of Scientology is an empty shell with a PR department – and anincompetent one at that.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

The Upper Indocs, the Twinning HCOB, the Liability Formula, are three Hubbard scriptures that involve "uber" control on a fellow Scientologist.   I think the next exhaustive book on Scientology, or a former member ought write a book on all the various types of still existing restraint incidents that occur under certain conditions.   In TR 7 (training drill by Hubbard, TR-7 is one of the Upper Indocs which are the drills for perfecting one's ability to control other people), all Scientologists learn how to physically control their fellow Scientologists.   In the Twinning bulletin, Hubbard says the escaped twin must be brought back by the twin who let their twin "blow."    In the Liability Formula, people in Liability are claimed to be untrustworthy, and must be "watched", which is why people in LIability or below, people particularly with "blow" thoughts, are considered to be in the Doubt Condition, and absolutely, they have to be "watched" until they rise up past Doubt and get back in good standing with the group.  So many tiny details, but these restraints will continue, since the Hubbard scriptures are constantly being interpreted as justification for restraining the staff members who plan to "blow" or wish to "blow" without authorization.   I myself was locked up.   I myself spent months with 24/7 "watch" staff members watching me at various times when I was intending to leave, but I hadn't finished the "routing out" procedures and gotten the "okay" to leave yet.    Chuck Beatty, Pitsburgh, ex Sea Org, 1975-2003

sketto
sketto

Anybody else here dream of running into Miscavige in a bar somewhere and beating the living snot out of him, as I do?

I'd just like to introduce him to what a true brawl is like. He's so tough abusing genuinely decent people like Valeska that I'd like to see if he can actually deal with a ready, willing non-Scientologist - you know, someone who has no reason to fear his bullshit. My guess is that, like most cowards and bullies, he's afraid of a true challenge.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Dear Scientology—if you say [always, like every single time] that everyone else is lying, then Occam's Razor indicates that it is far more likely that you and your organization is lying. You can keep making denials, but it's that "Preponderance of Evidence" thing again. 

I'd say it's time the planet cleared you.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I am ashamed this cult was born in America.

The rest of the world will never forgive our government for allowing these crimes to continue.

Sid
Sid

I really don't see what the big problem is here. Hubbard was locking much younger kids up on his ships decades ago. I feel sorry for Miscavige, he's taking all the heat for being half as brutal as the last guy running the cult.

Anyway, removing my tongue from my cheek for a moment, I want to highly commend and congratulate Valeska for speaking out despite the sec-checks and forms she signed before they would let her leave the cult.

I think this is helping to clear a trail which other ex-Scientologists must follow. These gagging documents are clearly unenforceable and now many more should step forward and tell their story. There is strength in numbers, and I hope those of you in this position will now step forward to support Valeska.

Maybe if the cult knew they could no longer abuse people and then get away with it by scaring people into silence, they would stop doing it.

David Miscavige just moved several steps closer to jail today. I like the way that Lateline specifically asked the cult if they had put the allegations to Miscavige! Genius.

When are law enforcement authorities going to take action against this man?????

cshs1965
cshs1965

@sketto  My best guess is that he knew that people working on the ship for the church made very little money, but that he was under the impression that they were being treated well and liked their jobs. They likely would have kept him in the dark about any of the abuses going on.

MarkStark
MarkStark

Religious significance = sacred nose peanut guy and holy chain locker kids right? Great post.

Heather Grace
Heather Grace

It's not too late to make a complaint to the authorities about that event, even though it happened so long ago. Where a pattern of crimes attracts the RICO statute, the statute of limitation runs from the LAST crime in the series, but all may be relevant. Please consider making a report to the FBI.

sketto
sketto

There's no good to be taken from Hubbard's work. Plenty of other books in the world full of great ideas that were NOT written by men who damaged countless families and ruined countless lives. Don't go trying to salvage nice quotes from wicked men. It's a waste of your short time in this life.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

P.S. Where's the Soviet country now? Same place Scientology will be in soon. In the grave. Why? Because they both lied, viciously.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I agree. Thank you, Valaska Paris and Ramana Dienes-Browning. Stay strong!

You rock, Australian journalist Steve Cannane of the ABC program Lateline.

MarkStark
MarkStark

I agree. The corroborating testimonies mean everything and hers was a good one. The cult says they have no facts to support her "opposite opinion." Thank you Thetan Pouw for that goofy statement. Couldn't be much weirder if Pouw claimed she was there having traveled from Clearwater, exterior with full perception.

Betelgeuse
Betelgeuse

WTF did that take so long, sounds fishy

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Thanks for the update! Good news indeed.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Are you the same getbeckyout thats on youtube?

Don't give up the fight! [hugs] sent your way.

Geust
Geust

 Great post, getbeckyout!!!  We are all supporting you!

ChaosConsumer
ChaosConsumer

And no OSA, that isn't advocating anything illegal, its a jibe at your petty hiding behind minor laws when it suits you like the army of chickenshits you are.

Jgg
Jgg

  Real men don't do Scientology.

Jgg
Jgg

"Is there any organization of any sort, anywhere on this planet more shameless than CO$?"

It's impossible to be more shameless than Co$.

Jgg
Jgg

  Co$ CANNOT change it's tactics--that's the problem.

StabbyMcStoo
StabbyMcStoo

I'm just waiting for someone to snap and kill the fucker.  When you have all of those people off their meds (or not getting proper medical attention) under extreme stress, it is bound to happen.   I'm guessing that someone will have a psychotic break, pull a Jesse Prince with loaded weapons, but take it one step further.

I just hope they have good aim.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Yeah I do. And Karin Pouw needs some major butt-kicking for being the cults mouth piece. I wish someone would staple her lips together. LIAR!

Jgg
Jgg

 " When are law enforcement authorities going to take action against this man?????"

  When they finally find him.     

MarkStark
MarkStark

In the computer age, you won't climb very high in this cult, without being a liar and a willing one.  Like Tory Magoo, the minute you stand up for free speech or free access to information. Forget about it. You are outta there.

I wish Karin Pouw would simply appear in person, and lie on camera. She would come off as a robotic widget, who would not be able to field questions from clever Aussie journalists. She's the letter lady now, probably after she told Tony, "so what if Hubbard said Christ is an implant." (Or, something to that effect.)

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