White House Rejects Scientology Petition: Why That's Not All Bad News

Categories: Scientology

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"Scientology? Ain't touching that one!"
A wail was heard across the land tonight.

Just as we were leaving the office for the evening, we were notified that thousands of people who recently signed a White House petition about Scientology had received e-mail notices that the Obama administration would not, in fact, respond to the petition.

The petition, started by attorney Graham Berry, did meet its minimum required number of signatures. But you can see here why the White House says it can't respond:

Thank you for signing the petition "EXAMINE THE GOVERNMENT'S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.

The We the People Terms of Participation explain that "the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government." The Department of Justice is charged with investigating federal crimes and enforcing federal criminal laws. Accordingly, the White House declines to comment on the specific law enforcement matter raised in this petition.

We understand why signers of the petition are disappointed. But after the jump, we'll explain why we're actually encouraged -- at least a little -- by Obama's response.

The public first heard that the FBI was investigating the way Scientology was treating its workers in February, in Lawrence Wright's excellent profile of director Paul Haggis in The New Yorker. Since then, some sources -- particularly former Scientology executive Marty Rathbun -- have spoken about being interviewed by federal agents, seeming to confirm that the government was looking into Scientology in a big way.

More recently, Rathbun has complained on his blog that Scientology leader David Miscavige managed to squelch the FBI investigation by using influence at the Justice Department. This is what prompted Berry to write his petition, asking Obama to speak publicly about how and why the FBI investigation was stopped in its tracks.

That was a bold question, and it was exciting to see more than 6,000 people put their names on it.

But if you know how federal investigations work, you know that there's little chance Obama could discuss this topic, even if he wanted to. Federal agencies and their investigators tend to be very selective about what they say about completed, successful cases. But uncompleted ones, or closed investigations? They tend to say nothing.

Could the President, however, open an official investigation of his own Justice Department, and ask why a probe of Scientology never came to anything? Sure he could. But never in a million years based only on a petition signed by 6,000 people.

If, in fact, David Miscavige managed to fend off an FBI investigation by having someone with influence at the Justice Department apply pressure, that's something I'd like to know more about myself -- and hopefully, far better journalists than your narrator, with solid sources at Justice, can root it out. And of course, there's another possibility: if the FBI investigation is not, in fact, dead, we'd get the same response from the White House.

In the meantime, I do take some solace in the White House response. I had predicted, when the petition had just got going, that the Obama administration would dismiss it by saying it doesn't get involved in conflicts of a religious nature. I was wrong. Look again at the language of the response.

It's the Justice Department's job to enforce federal crime, the White House writes. And Obama can't speak about this law enforcement matter.

At least, in this regard, Obama correctly places this matter in its proper context. This was not a question of religion. It was a matter of whether Scientology is committing federal crimes which should be treated as a law enforcement matter.

If Obama can't comment on such an investigation, at least he is not trying to pass it off as something less than what it is: reports of federal crime.



The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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67 comments
Radio Paul
Radio Paul

Tony I love you but this response is utter bull. The fact is Obama could have done a lot of things and did not. He could have said, we will pass on the concerns to the FBI but did not. He could have stated that they would do a closed investigation and review, but fail to do so. We  did not ask for them to investigate Scientology but to address the refusal by the Justice Department (JD) to do so.. The White House is in fact despite what the response says responsible for the JD. Prior presidents have dismissed the heads of the JD so they sure as hell can tell them to look in to citizen complaints. 

You say the White House did not go the road of taking the religious exit option but the fact is they where not being addressed on that topic. The Obama administration answered the charge and on that topic it was called out on. In fact this is the perfect line to use. They have the right to not comment on any investigation, either active or not, but what has become clear is that they are not taking action. Scientology crimes are blatant and no action has been taken. The vocal victims close to the investigation have stated the feds have dumped their investigation and the lack of results give no one any other reason to think otherwise.

I suggest, what is needed now is a FOIA if one can be obtained and every right wing blog needs to know about this. It is election time and Obama needs to be called out on it.

jgg
jgg

  I had a dream that Davey was convicted of 30 counts of human trafficking, and sentenced to 420 years in prison.  "420 years! You gotta be kidding!"  said Davey.  And the judge said "that's just six lifetimes".

Jgg
Jgg

  btw, Tony, when criminal charges are filed, they won't be vs. the "Church of Scientology" or any other church.  It will be "USA v. David Miscavige" (and anyone else who aided the human trafficking or accepted bribes to look the other way) and it won't matter if they are or were Scientologists.  Some legislators in Riverside County who are not Scilons, for example, accepted bribes apparently.

  These acts are no more religious than the 9/11 attacks (supposedly carried out in the name of Islam) which, I notice, are discussed in your next article.

MarkStark
MarkStark

SP Times' new story is up. Wonderful video of Synthia, and more incredible stories of extortion.

Jgg
Jgg

  Next time the US State Dept. whines to the govt. of Germany about cracking down on Scientology, this is what the Germans should say: it is a criminal investigation involving allegations of criminal behavior (the same ones our FBI is investigating here).

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Thanks for the interpretation Tony... on an otherwise SORRY piece of news reply from our own White House...But we have little faith to go on in the Department of Justice if we just look to reporting in the New York Times... or Rolling Stone's own Matt Taibbi, in regards to the foot dragging or 'door closing' on clear and concrete evidence of Financial Crimes... of far greater magnitude ... and then look out the window down to Zuccotti Square or around the country or the world for that matter.... it takes an awful lot to get Americans into the streets to protest... a great deal more than any other country.... yet there they are... maybe pushed out for now... but Americans will be back .... in Far Greater Numbers.... we are NOT the 'Roll over and Die' type.

Jgg
Jgg

  Tony, the only thing better that could have happened would be if Obama said "wow, this is serious, I'll have the FBI look into it" and the FBI is looking into it.  Also, there were hundreds of petitions, including one to legalize marijuana (and he probably has no time for that, given the economy and 2 wars).

Theoracle
Theoracle

Can't people read anymore?  "Decline to comment" doesn't mean anything else.  Most investigations under way will not find public ears to spill upon.

mjm
mjm

somebody troll Greta Van Susteren's blog and blame her for this...

Jgg
Jgg

  Her blog doesn't discuss Scientology.

mjm
mjm

but she's a high ranking Scientologist w/ ties to the gov.

Jgg
Jgg

  Obama acted properly.  For a sitting US President to comment on an ongoing investigation would prevent parties from getting a fair, unbiased jury.  Also, letting Miscavige know that "xyz" is being done invites him and his celebrities to put a stop to it or destroy evidence.  If it's a covert investigation, he can't stop it.  He will have to wait until evidence is developed and charges are pressed against him.

Aaron Laird
Aaron Laird

Really? The guy who believes in a Jewish Zombie in the sky didn't give air time to a petition about a ridiculous cult? Fascinating.

Kimob2
Kimob2

I find the comments posted on Rathburns site to be a bit ironic . They go through all the trouble of getting scientology declared a religion - (by pretty much lying their asses off and pulling one over on the IRS )- so they can have the protections that the government gives religious organizations.( pretty much free reign to do whatever you want under the umbrella of religion) Well ..guess what ? You got what you wanted . The gov't does not investigate religions - and now they are all crying victim because of the abuses going. on . They set up the entire program and now that is has backfired ...they think it is some sort of gov't Obama conspiracy not to go after Miscavige. It is sad to see them go around and around . What a scam

Marcotai
Marcotai

LOL.How the hell a petiton originated by an 'attorney' who has a history of alcoholism, psychiatric treatments and ridiculous lawsuits and a history of bigotry and hatred toward SCN could be taken seriously? Further more with a petition signed by anonymous members (who are under FBI investigation themselves) and with probably 50 signatures by one single anonymous individual alone...well let me tell you that who have read that petition in the White House couldn't have been laughed his ass off.

Marty Rathbun's claim of having spoken about being interviewed by federal agents...Jeezzzz, you guys, when you are going to wake up?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Oh Marco,

You're so Cute when you're angry, could you please translate this incoherent babble stream?:

" . . . well let me tell you that who have read that petition in the White House couldn't have been laughed his ass off . . . "

I mean, WTF?

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Excuse me Marco...

Someone just walked in your door for a free 'Personality Test'....

You are the Receptionist.... are you not?

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Ah, class Ad Hominem fallacy. I would expect no less from you.

Marcotai
Marcotai

Call it what you like, but truth is true.

red_zone
red_zone

Would be nice if you could PROVE it. And if it really was as bad as you insist it was.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

All right—I'm calling you Shirley and expect you to take it like a man!

From the top:

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.Person B makes an attack on person A.Therefore A's claim is false.The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong." Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest." Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?" Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

http://www.nizkor.org/features...

Another example of Ad Hominem:

" . . . How the hell a petiton originated by an 'attorney' who has a history of alcoholism, psychiatric treatments and ridiculous lawsuits and a history of bigotry and hatred toward SCN could be taken seriously? Further more with a petition signed by anonymous members (who are under FBI investigation themselves) and with probably 50 signatures by one single anonymous individual alone . . ."

MSAnon515
MSAnon515

Truth is true.. so when are you actually going to start telling it, Marco?

How the hell could a smear campaign originated by a Scientologist who has a history of denial, bigotry and hatred toward anyone who criticizes SCN be taken seriously? Those who have read that petition in the White House weren't laughing their ass off- while they were figuring out how to answer things without tipping their hand.

Marty Rathbun's claim of having spoken about being interviewed by federal agents might have some credibility- if he can prove it. A lot more than you or anyone else at OSA have done, Marcotai.

The dominoes are going to fall. There will be crying and gnashing of teeth as the Scientology empire crumbles. And you, Marcotai, will be all alone. No OSA to tell you what to do, no Org to hide in.

And we will laugh our ass off.

Arthur
Arthur

Wait, you think that truth is true?  You don't think that repeating your lies makes them true?  Who are you and what have you done with marcotai?

Guest
Guest

For scientologists, truth is relative, so it's more like "truthiness."  What they want to believe, that's truth. 

Arthur
Arthur

What a fantastic day it is!  Of all the unending bad news coming out about the Church of Scientology, finally there is a bit of bad news that ISN'T as bad as it could be!  Win!  This PROVES that Scientology is wonderful!

MarkStark
MarkStark

"...well let me tell you that who have read that petition in the White House couldn't have been laughed his ass off."

Graham Berry writes and speaks well, in a manner that shows he's a very bright, educated and thoughtful person. You are incapable of that, even at an elementary level, and it just makes people wonder how this cult expects to function in the age of information, when the only people it allows to speak for it -- aside from ads and propaganda -- are people of your level of expression.

Wall-of-words Karin Pouw isn't going to work either. Your cult, how it functions, what you believe (Xenu, KSW, clear the planet, deleting the reactive mind), the abuses and money extortion, becomes more transparent every year.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

The problem, Marco, is that you have nothing to sell here.

Scientia
Scientia

This is a country that now considers pizza to be a vegetable. Forgive me for not holding out much hope. :)

Xenu
Xenu

Under Reagan, ketchup and pickle chips were declared vegetables.  Under Eisenhower, there were no school lunches to discuss the contents of.

We may make progress in strange and uneven ways, often riddled with corruption, but I'd rather have my kid eating pizza than pickle chips or nothing.

Scientia
Scientia

Errm...sure, but what's wrong with actual vegetables? You guys should have listened to Jamie Oliver whilst you had the chance. :)

Alanzo
Alanzo

It's perfectly legal in the United States to set up a business that is designed to exploit the spiritual vulnerabilities of people to extract as much money as you can from them. It is also completely legal to call your business a religion to hide behind the tax and statutory protections that religions are granted in the US (for some medieval reason) to keep your gravy train rolling.

In 10 years of writing about Scientology I have never seen more resources, more dedicated and effective people, doing more to protect the public from the Church of Scientology than we have right now. Who cares if Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are too corrupt to do anything about Scientology in the US right now?

Other people in power in other countries are not.

As those other countries continue to dismantle and eliminate Scientology from harming their citizenry, Scientology will collect so many legal and political losses around the world, and so much damning forensic evidence, that their corrupting political influence in the United States will tip over and collapse. And then we will have cleared the medieval fog we seem to have to religious and spiritual abuse in the US, and Scientology will have no where to hide.

Whether Davey does his Perp Walk in Australia, in Italy, in France, in Germany, or in England does not matter to me. Because of the Internet, we are a global force in response to a global threat. One day the most pernicious and abusive brainwashing cult ever devised will be cut up and gutted, and the world will have learned not to ever let it happen again.

Clearly and inexorably, that day is coming.

And I will not shut up until it does.

Alanzo

Larry Siegel
Larry Siegel

Alanzo:   "And I will never shut up until it does."Glad to see this!   

I also will not shut up until that day comes.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

I don't know how one would go about setting one up but getting a Congressional Hearing, where immunity is assured, is something I feel will be most useful in exposing the crimes of Scientology.

Banchukita
Banchukita

I don't know - my first thought at reading the language of the response was that it was canned and trotted out because of the words the *petition* contained. Nothing in the response addresses anything more specific that couldn't also apply to other petitions. The use of the words "specific law enforcement matter" sent up that flag for me.

t1kk
t1kk

And it did apply to other petitions. The exact basis was used to deny, among others, a petition relating to Bradley Manning.

Sweet Little Buttercup
Sweet Little Buttercup

I hope you are right Tony.

I got in and out of Scientology a long time ago, when I was a high school then a university student, between 1970 and 1972. Back then, people were going to the cops about the cult and the cops were doing nothing at all. Scientology seemed invulnerable and out of control.

The FBI and RCMP raids did some good, and locally closed down a lot of churches, but they didn't stop the operation.

After I left, I largely lost track of the cult until I read an article about the internet in Time Magazine that referred to xenu.net. I went there and I was positively gleeful. However, the cash flow continued. The suckers were still being fleeced.

Then, Bob Minton entered the game, and monthly protests were occuring outside the local cult office. I honestly thought there would be another raid and the leaders of Scientology would be behind bars for a long time. Either that or the leaders would flee to locations unknown, gold bullion packed away safely on the plane. But that was not to be either.

When I went to the net and enthusiastic critics would proclaim that Scientology was going down I thought, "These are tough people that have already survived a lot. A few bad articles and defections are not going to make them keel over".

Then I began to think they would fail, not with a bang but a whimper. Membership would trail off with repeated bad press and defections. Cash flow would minimize. Cult offices would close one at a time. They would slowly become yesterday's cult. L.Ron's nonsense would live on with the freezone but they would not be as predatory or as greedy as Scientology and, hey, what can you do.

I think we are close to that situation now. The Scientologists are almost cooked. But, much like watching the Berlin wall fall, which was the final indication of the failing of communism, we will have to see Tom Cruise stand up and say, "I made a mistake. L.Ron Hubbard was only a man." It is not unthinkable. John Lennon publicly withdrew his support of the Maharishi. Cruise could show us just how much he cares about humanity by pulling away publicly.

Anyway, the FBI investigation was encouraging. I find the news from Obama discouraging. What would it take for a full investigation of this organization? Would Miscavige have to shoot a dozen innocent passers-by on the steps of the Capitol Dome?

SFF
SFF

It never seemed likely that this would be anything more than some additional bad PR for the CoS. It seemed too tied to the unsubstantiated claim that the FBI investigation had been dropped.

A better petition might be one seeking a public benefit test for charities like the one Australia is in the process of rolling out.

I don't think the rest of the CoS's criminal activity can continue if they are actually subject to real oversight.

ethercat
ethercat

There is a petition similar to that: wh.gov/gUn

Remove tax exemption from churches and allow them to apply like a non-profit organization

Currently,churches usually receive tax exemptions based of off their specificreligion and sect. If a specific sect is not already recognized, theyare able to apply to become a recognized religion. This process givesthe government the authority to determine which religions should andshould not be recognized as 'true' religions in our country, a clearviolation of the first amendment.Created: Sep 22, 201111,780 signatures

t1kk
t1kk

I don't believe it's possible to conclude that the denial was due to there being an investigation. The denial language is broad and boilerplate--a google search of it reveals that it was also the basis for denying other petitions. The language itself can be read to deny pretty much any petition.

That said, I believe that the WH would be foolish to publicly respond to any petition calling for an investigation into any one or any entity, but especially petitions that presume "crimes" and the government's own "failure" in the petition title. Perhaps the petition should have been crafted to avoid a denial by working around the Terms of Participation.

I'm not even sure I believe that the government *should* be commenting publicly on any petition to investigate (anyone/anything) given the ways it could easily compromise a case resulting from an investigation. If I'm a defense attorney I know I'd be crying selective enforcement if it's my client investigated as a result of the government commenting on a petition.

I'd like the government to address scientology as much as any other critic but don't see how anyone thought this was going to amount to a real response.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

I wasn't happy with the wording when I saw the petition because it was very generalized, but of course I signed it. The intent of it was good. However, I hadn't thought to read the Terms of Participation from the perspective of the petition itself. Definately something to consider in the future if one wants a petition to be addressed.

Karen#1
Karen#1

Tony :

I think your analysis was great.There was no mention of the Religion, of 1st amendment rights or for any kind of "We will not interfere with a religion etc etc.  It outright talked about FEDERAL CRIMES as a DOJ matter.I think the language was important and that you were very perceptive to see it that way.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

The "petition" wasn't stonewalled. 

It was idiocy on its face. Something that doesn't belong in America--unsubstantiated, bigotry-motivated hate-speech signed by people climbing on a bandwagon because their friends did. Or perhaps the White House saw that 80 percent of the "signatures" (cough!) came from three percent of the IP addresses, then somehow did the math. 

It's a pity you all wasted so much time promoting it. You might have done what so many Scientologists do: volunteer at an inner-city literacy clinic, counsel a convict on the value of an honest day's work and fair exchange, or go volunteer at a disaster scene. 

Should one successfully build and improve things as Scientologists do?  Or toil futilely and produce zero effect, as the masterhaters do? 

Work it out.

sketto
sketto

Scientology disconnects families. It's true. It's verifiable. It is the reason we will not stop fighting you.

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

Anonymous needs no activity from the Oval Office to shut down the child abusing criminal cult of $cientology.

Not one clam volunteers at inner-city literacy clinics, nor do any of them counsel a convict on the value of an honest day's work and fair exchange, and the only reason they go to "volunteer" at a disaster scene is to keep psychiatrists away and to generate good PR.

$cientology is cancer. It improves nothing, save for the bank acccount balance sheets of your poison dwarf leader, the son of a rapist David Miscavige.

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

Would that be the 20 or so Anons who have been arrested, charged, and are in various stages of trial and conviction in the USA and Europe? 

Or do you mean the initial few who are now serving, or have finished, their sentence and punishment?

Please advise.

Guest
Guest

We know you sock-puppet but who are we? Considering that there are 4.3 billion unique ip addesses under the IPv4 standard, 6000 people would be a lot less than 3%, so your math is off by orders of magnitude. 

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

3% of the IP addresses that those "signatures" came in from, angry boy. 

Is it possible your fired-up bank is blurring your ability to comprehend meaning? 

No one else misinterpreted.

Bob's you uncle
Bob's you uncle

You need to re-read HCOB "Good Roads, Good Weather" and stop antagonazoing or as the web community puts it... TROLLING!

KeepOnLearning
KeepOnLearning

All this time on the Village Voice site and you still don't read. Well...I guess that's an oxymoron.

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

When was the last time 5000 clams signed any petitions or generated anything like this?

One look at the view counts of the official $cientology videos tells everyone all they need to know.

Your cult is dying, in flames, and Anonymous dances around its embers laughing.

Xenu
Xenu

Are you claiming that OSA rooted the white house website to collect that IP data, or are you just making shit up?

Sweet Little Buttercup
Sweet Little Buttercup

You may have won the battle but the million year war for Teegeeack wages on. Sucker.

LoyalOfficer
LoyalOfficer

Don't forget about all that great work trying to destroy real medical professionals, constant reging for money, spying on governments and industry, spying on, stalking, assaulting and harassing critics, sending vulture ministers to interfere and recruit at disaster scenes, covering up sexual abuse in the cult of $cientology, creating libelous smear websites, causing suicides, bankruptcy and suspicious deaths, attempting to recruit schoolchildren with "literacy" fronts, attempting to recruit criminals to come into the cult to help commit more crime for the cult, use of child and slave labor to produce for $cientology and inure $cientology leaders and celebrities, and of course fighting off Xenu and the Marcabian fleet!

Continue to toil to produce this negative effect and reap your just rewards. Perhaps you can get a framed certificate and personal bankruptcy!

SFF
SFF

Personally I feel that child labor and extortion don't belong in America but maybe that's just me.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Get with the program, dude. Like your attitude is sooooo last millennium.

We're all gonna be hooked up in one, massive, throbby, Facebooky Philip K. Dick Nightmare. Didn't get the memo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

veritas
veritas

Exactly what have Scientologists built and improved? Oh right, DM's piggy bank.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Labor law violations? Children's labor violations? An operation designed for one thing, and one thing only—make as much money for the "Church" as possible?

You may call yourself "Keep on learning", but you haven't learned a thing.

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