Jason Lee, Twitter Newbie, Goes After Dude with 6 Followers For Asking About Scientology

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A day after joining Twitter, actor Jason Lee didn't take kindly to a fan, Sean Coleman, griping about his being a member of the Church of Scientology. So Jason took a swipe at Coleman, who has all of 6 followers.

At his Twitter page, you can see that Jason had started out his brief tweeting career about his interest in photography.

This morning, director Kevin Smith then put out the word that Lee was on Twitter: "BRODIE-MAN! NOOTCHIE-NOOTCHIES! His name ain't Earl - it's @THATJasonLee! And now he's on Twitter! Give him a welcome, but no Stink-Palming!"

But then Coleman -- himself a brand new Twitter user -- directed a question to Smith, asking if he knew whether Lee is a Scientologist: "@ThatKevinSmith is Jason lee a scientologist do u ever talk to him about it he was my idol before I found out"

Within minutes, Lee posted a reply, a testament to the Google Alert he must have on his name, or something. (Hi, Jason!)

Anyway, Jason aimed his response to both Coleman and Smith, and it wasn't the most charitably worded: "Wow @djcolee @ThatKevinSmith way to publicly demonstrate your ignorance. I'm the same person I've always been, idiot. Know before you judge."

Which is to say, he was a jerk-off both before and after Dianetics? I'm confused.

UPDATE: Lee just sent a tweet my way pointing out that he was just copying Kevin Smith on that tweet, and didn't "direct" it at him (which I thought was already pretty obvious): "No @VoiceTonyO it was not meant to be directed at Kevin Smith, as well. As you said, I'm a 'newbie' here and still getting the hang of this"

Anyway, Lee then followed that up with this: "My comment to @djcolee is the last anything Scientology-related will ever come up. I won't defend it, nor do I need to. Read a book."

Touchy, touchy. What is it about these Scientologist celebrities that they find it so difficult to discuss freely the breakthrough ideas of L. Ron Hubbard?

Oh, that's right, we wrote earlier that Scientology's celebrities are drilled in training routines to talk publicly about the all the wonderful benefits they've received from Hubbard's books and lectures, but not to actually talk about Hubbard's "technology" itself.

And as for smack talk with fans on Twitter? Looks like they're going to have to add some social media training in that celebrity rundown in the future.


UPDATE: More from our Twitter conversation...

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Marc Headley (@blownforgood) then jumped into the conversation...

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Ouch, Jason lets me have it...

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And I have to grovel, like a good journalist often has to...

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What's this? This may all have a happy ending after all...

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UPDATE ON FRIDAY, DEC 16: Well, so much for Jason Lee's foray into Twitter. Just checked his account, @ThatJasonLee, and it no longer seems to exist.

Was it something we said? Anyway, still looking forward to that sitdown in 2012.

A hat tip to the eagle-eyed folks at WWP, who captured Lee's last tweet:

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Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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119 comments
kurrdragon
kurrdragon

Oh who cares. Scientology is not a religion it is a bizarre ass ridiculous cult. L ron comes up with aliens are the woe of society? This would be like Stephen King starting a religion in which horrible feelings are caused by the spirits of werewolves and ghouls invading us. You listening King you could make more money than god. Anyhow j lee is a douche and has been since the scientologists got their mits on him. 

rake.maker
rake.maker

Yeh I use to like jason lee until I found out he's a scientologist whack off. Supposedly that idiot that played his brother is too but I can see right through that asshole. Not a very goid actor either. Not so pissed earl is off the air now and that will be lee:s best lifetime achievement.

Janet
Janet

I don't blame Lee. I don't think he should've called the guy an idiot. But of course it's insulting to hear that you were somebody's idol until you changed your religion. And it was low of you to make the forced abortion comment, he was right about that. It's nobody's business what somebody else's religion is. You can refuse to watch his movies if you dislike him - and those of all scientologists. But nobody is going to change anyone's religion by telling them it sucks.

Serena Merega
Serena Merega

I see your point and I -pretty much- agree. I don't know scientology that much but the impression I have is pretty much the same I have for every other "sect": and it's not a kind word so I won't use it. I enjoyed Lee's work on My Name Is Earl (as you can see by my username), I can't talk about him as a person 'cause i don't know him. I followed him on Twitter and liked some of the music videos he posted. What I don't like is that, in 2011 (no wait, almost 2012), we're still judging people by their religion. And that's kinda sad in my opinion.

E B Johnson
E B Johnson

Disclaimer: I am a Jason Lee fan. I am not a fan of Scientology. You may attack Jason's beliefs and the unwise response he made on Twitter, but I am sickened by the derision and hate filled comments on here. They certainly undermine your campaign to reveal the abuses of Scientology.The attacks on his child's name always shows up too. That's particularly unfair. That has nothing to do with Scientology. The child is old enough (8 I believe) to read these constant comments online. By the way, if one was able to read all of Jason's tweets in the few days he was on, as I did, you could see that not about his religion but about music, photography and art. I actually learned a lot from him, especially about music, and was looking forward to more. He shouldn't have attacked the twitterer, but it looks as if the two of them apologized to each other and made up. If the Voice hadn't gotten into it and exploited the incident, it would have blown over and those of us interested -- and not out to troll him as one comment suggested we do -- could have continued to enjoy his attempt to communicate with fans. One comment in the Voice even gave his home address and suggested people write him (and not fan letters). That, fortunately, was a very out of date address so whoever listed it was not was clever as they thought they were. I was also interested in learning more about your investigations but not think I'll look elsewhere. And, as ex-Scientologist Marc Headley (one who's also trying to reveal the evils of Scientology) said to you, "I like Jason Lee, no matter what." Obviously, he knows Lee to be a good person. I still like Jason Lee and I miss on Twitter. I hope all those who gleefully admit that they were going to drive him away are happy. I also hope they choke on their own misguided self-righteousness. I

Jgg
Jgg

  Well Tony, Jason and Bodhi won't answer my tweets.  Someone with 640 followers scares them, but not someone with 6 followers.

Peter
Peter

The point being, nobody cares about individual Scientologists. They just want to drum up the mystique of the Science Fiction surrounding them, and the Scientologist will never be hailed.

Leslie Hope
Leslie Hope

"I'm the same person I've always been: Idiot."

Hey Jason! Fixed that for you!

mia
mia

Amen!

candace6
candace6

THAT was fast. He's probably hoping Tony doesn't try to contact him on facebook next.  Dauntless, defiant and resolute indeed.

mjm
mjm

anybody going to the Ziegfeld Theater tonight to say hi to Tommy Boy?

MarthaWiggins
MarthaWiggins

The thing is...if Jason's done with scn, he sure isn't going to blab about it in a tweet.

Paul Jay Salerno
Paul Jay Salerno

Try asking Bodhi Elfman about Scientology on Twitter and see how many insults he hurls your way....

Guest
Guest

Whoa, Jason Lee mighty talk after the New Year? Probably won't happen but it's nice to know the OSA internet reps are probably pooping their pants after reading this, now that's a Christmas present.

WriterGirl
WriterGirl

I can't WAIT for this conversation!! Go Tony!! Let's send him INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY by Janet Reitman.

PosterChild
PosterChild

Tony, your confront wasn't that great.  I'm not so sure that throwing the forced abortions in his face will get you an interview.  Scientologists tend to have one argument, claiming 'religious freedom'.  If you are not giving them 'religious freedom', you are a 'bigot'.  

With that in mind, I would recommend that you ask him to open up about his beliefs then start to frame your questions armed with the truth that we all know.  Ask him his thoughts on the purif, get his stupid-cheery response, then ask how he feels about the purif being used on addicts with compromised livers.  Ask him how he feels about this practice being forced upon the patient at Tres Rivere that died due to its effects.

Also, if he gets defensive and claims that you are denying him religious freedom, you can bring up the policy of disconnection that led to illegal discrimination of those practicing their own version of Scientology outside the church.  In other words his own church is denying the very religious freedom he claims to want.

I have a feeling that this little Twitter discussion will mean a nice ethics session with Mr. Lee and you'll never hear from him again.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

Christopher Hitchens passed last night . :(

MarthaWiggins
MarthaWiggins

Hubbard actually wrote a "policy letter" that says something like:  "Never try to explain scientology to anyone.  Sell them a book and let ME explain it."  All scnists, not just celebrities, are given this mandate.  But a true believer is still expected to disseminate like crazy.  There's a drill for that -- there's a drill for everything in fact.  When you "learn" to disseminate, you are NOT being taught to talk about scn.  You're being taught to intentionally get the person to talk about something that's "ruining" his life.  Then you say "scn can help you with that.  take this course, buy this book," and so on.Paging Chuck Beatty, don't you have the PL? 

The Scientologist
The Scientologist

Tony, you know it is going to be impossible to have a critical conversation with Lee. It might help if you didn't ridicule Scientology or go on the offensive, but that probably wouldn't get you in further. Plus, Lee isn't even anywhere near as indoctrinated as people might assume.

Scientology is a lot like Fight Club, and the first rule of Fight Club is what? That's why its impossible to have a meaningful conversation about Scientology with a Scientologist.

Then again, its hard for a lot of non-Scientologists to attempt meaningful conversation about Scientology, since all they end up doing is ridiculing it.

Oh, well.

Heather Grace
Heather Grace

I think "Know before you judge" is fair enough. One shouldn't make assumptions about people just because they're scientologists.

As for "read a book" (presumably about scientology), well, I don't need to TRY heroin to know it's bad for me, as the analogy goes.

Guest
Guest

Some Jason Lee background:

His manager was and might still be Gay Ribisi.  Mother of twins - Giovonni Ribisi and Marissa Ribisi.  Giovonni is a well known and extremely talented actor.  Marissa is less famous as an actor but now married to the famous Beck -- singer/songwriter.

Beck who disconnected from his mother Bibbe Hansen and brother years ago -- Bibbe Hansen was not the midwife who delivered the Ribisi twins (according to Ribisi wikipedia). It was Dr. Ettenhauser - actually OB/GYN but delivered in the Ribisi's Sea Org room)

Marissa in her teens was dating some very famous skateboarder.  Jason Lee was a top skateboarder in the 80's and early 90's.  

POSSIBLY, Marissa was the link to Jason and Gay. And Gay might have launched Jason's career.  I don't know this though.

The celebrity scientologists are an isolated bunch.  The likelihood of Jason having a genuine interview with Tony is slim to none.  

Sorry Tony.  But Jason would have to give up all his celebrity "friends" -- and they need each other to keep the delusion alive.

Cause I find it hard to believe they can be THAT stupid.  So it's got to be mutual delusionship :)

coincidence?
coincidence?

OK, this is a little off-topic, but not much, and I've been wanting to share it for awhile, but an appropriate subject thread hadn't come up. Now it has, I think. A few months ago I saw some trivia about how much of the show My Name is Earl was filmed in the town of Beaumont, CA. It caught my eye because I grew up there. Also, I knew it was ninety minutes east of Los Angeles, kinda far drive for a weekly television show. Why pick a town so far? Then I remembered Lee was a Scientologist, along with the guy who plays his brother, and many guest stars. Guess what's located just a ten minute drive south of Beaumont, CA? If you guessed Gold Base, you are correct, sir. Satellite google it. Were folks heading over to Gold Base to spend the night in between shoots in town, maybe wave to everyone in the RPF while they settle in for the night with the star treatment? I don't know, just saying it's a weird coincidence. 

Gina Smith
Gina Smith

Well that's me now a fully fledged member of the Tony O fan club.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Sean Coleman is an Aussie, and for some reason, the Aussie and New Zealander Scientologists and ex Scientologists are just some of the best!   There's a long list of great Aussie and New Zealander Scientologists and ex Scientologists, for some reason.   They got that cheerful "fuck you" attitude, that is so refreshing!

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

good for Sean Coleman, Hey Sean, email me!    Sean and I were on the RPF's RPF for months and months and months and months, and Sean, wherever you are, email me!   chuckbeatty77(at)aol(dot)com     Sean and I worked for a while in a sub unit of the Sea Org in the "complex" in LA.   And later, in my final days in the Sea Org, and Sean's, we both were in the "route out" unit of the RPF, called the "RPF's RPF" and we did ridiculous menial tasks for months and months in eternal waiting for approval to "leave" the Sea Org (the Sea Org members requesting to standardly follow the rules and do the gruesome multi month procedure to "leave" Sea Org staff, there were about 15 of us in this special "route out" category, what a goddamn HUGE relief it was, to finally get approval and be allowed to vamoose the Sea Org, Sean made it out first, then I made it out a couple months later).   Good on you Sean!!!!     chuck beatty, USA Pittsburgh

SFF
SFF

I wonder if he'll actually talk to Tony or if he will be warned that the column is weird and has squirrel stuff in it.

Schockenawd
Schockenawd

If I hear one more celebrity Scientologist regurgitate the same old, tired line the Church handlers obviously drill them on saying -- "Read a book" -- I'm gonna throw up. 

Serena Merega
Serena Merega

My reply was for E B Johnson post, dunno if it worked right. I'm the real idiot.

mjm
mjm

oops, it's on the 19th.  but what I wouldn't pay for an encounter between Tony O. and the Cruises, the Travoltas, Kirstie and the MI:4 stars (Jeremy Renner, Paula Patton, Simon Pegg) and director (Brad Bird)

CloverCat
CloverCat

I'd like to see that, probably more than the page will load.

Jgg
Jgg

  None, but guess what--Bodhi accused Jason Lee of being a transgender on Friday.  Notice the hypocrisy: Bodhi and Jenna scream and yell at someone saying that 2 scilons are gay ("attacking my religion!") but when HE does it's OK. It's a joke.  But not when a wog does it.

Jgg
Jgg

  Great idea--I'll let you know in 24 hours what he says.

mjm
mjm

well, since he and his slave Jenna locked their Twitter accounts after arguing with Mark Ebner, I doubt they'll be talking soon... they (and Kirstie who donated $50k to the Supah Powah building) got their heads so far up Miscavige's ass (Grant Cardone is basically sucking his dick... oh wait, T. Cruise is doing that job...)

MarkStark
MarkStark

Disseminate the shine, but restrict the substance to meaningless vagueness (what is true for you, applied religious philosophy, tools), and use redirection such as "read a book." The part of Sciloontology that "works" is the applied part...the check lists and the step-by-step training. However, we question WHAT is being applied, especially the part about trusting EVERYTHING Hubbard said, never questioning it, right down to smoking more to prevent cancer. Or, using one method -- his trademarked method -- to learn or run a business. We reject the HAVING ALL THE ANSWERS part and the money-sucking controlling trap structure of the cult.

Because of their wealth, and cult connections involving their careers, celebrities are immune to the things many other people find obvious. They bathe in the love bombing, and mutual admiration they have as Sciloons. Even the best actor in the world is going to have some rabid critics, whom they will ignore. Scilons think they have the best religion/plan in the world, and they will ignore all criticism, until they are personally affected.

I think that is one of the reasons actors make such good Scilons. They are trained in the importance to believe in themselves, ignore all criticism except that of agents or acting teachers who have their best interests in mind, and they extend that concept to Sciloontology.

They simply can't believe that something that is good for them, can be bad for someone else in the same group. It is just like Haggis said: For 34 years, he was in a cult, and still doesn't completely understand that he couldn't see that when  virtually all intelligent people who read about how Scientology operates, and the history of the founder, realize it is a controlling cult.

The celebrities are an interesting Scilon group to watch. The more open knowledge of all secrets become, the more they'll have to close ranks. Will they get so tight, they won't even be able to say "Scientology" in public. Maybe it will be a secret group, like it is for Stacy Francis.

Radio Paul
Radio Paul

You say he is not indoctrinated as much as people might think? He is indoctrinated enough to talk like one over the issue that started this topic. He was indoctrinated enough to divorce his wife over it and stand by as the whole cult disconnected from her. Maybe you mean he wont drink the Kool-Aid when they all decide to evacuate to Target 2, I don't know? But short of that he is indoctrinated and you should know that Scientology does not allow for half assed indoctrination. 

MarkStark
MarkStark

Although the first rule of Fight Club (1. You don't talk about Fight Club) is like Sciloontology, I don't think Fight Club had any plans for world domination.

Sciloontology will always have an outrageous duality to deal with: Trying to be super secret, and trying to take over the world with its convoluted philoso-pile. (More realistically, sell it to as many people as they can.) It's the thing that worked -- to a degree -- before the web, but can't work now. 

One of their silly super secrets is that the Evil Psychs have been trying to dominate this sector of the galaxy for 75 million  years. Seriously, how's that going to go over when it is widely known?

Scientia
Scientia

Concentrate on the abuses of the organisation, not the philosophy or his possible beliefs. You are up against someone who has had significant success through the practice of Scientology in some capacity, and attempts to invalidate that will likely result in an automatic "thought-stop". Already on his Twitter I've noticed both he and his fans bleating on about "haters" and "beliefs" which is completely irrelevant as the subject of beliefs was never actually mentioned (Tony's "low" comment was regarding the organisation, nothing more). Differentiation is important, imho, and you are far more likely to reach out to DMbots by going down this route. Steve Hall's article on Why Scientologists Are So Touchy won't win any fans from those here who dislike Scn as a subject, but imho will still prove effective when communicating in the long-run. bit DOT ly/rKA50q

Joe_Lynn
Joe_Lynn

The more you know about Scientology, the more deplorable it becomes.  Usually first (negative) impressions are far more benign than informed opinion justifies.

And, yes, it's 'stereotyping' to assume you know about a 'person' who just happens to self-identify with a 'group', but, that's kind of the point to the identification.  And, in the case of Scientology, which rigorously forms, controls and ruthlessly manipulates its adherents, it's usually completely accurate to 'judge' a person/qua scientologist by Scientology.

It's not like there's a lot of wiggle room, although, 'celebrities' get Scientology Lite.

Nobody
Nobody

Pretty good. Bibbe Hansen was the midwife during the birth of the Ribisi twins. Dr. Ettenhauser delivered them with her assistance.  Jason Lee was an acting student of Milton Katselas's along with Giovanni Ribisi and many of the other celebrities mentioned here.

The Scientologist
The Scientologist

Great post, but believe it or not, they can be that stupid. The story of how Battlefield Earth got produced (and the writer they employed, which is a story unto itself) is a testament to how stupid Church management can be. And if Church management is unimaginably stupid (which they are), then you can bet that Scientology celebs are even more stupid since they blindly go along with whatever they are asked (told) to do. Otherwise, they will get into Ethics trouble and unable to progress up the Bridge.

Lee has been in enough Ethics trouble to keep him from progressing at a reasonable rate. If he does agree to talk to Tony, it's an indication he's getting fed up with what they're putting him through and would use that as leverage against the Church to lighten up his Ethics folder and stop with all the excessive confessionals.

Heather Grace
Heather Grace

We haven't received your membership fee as yet. Paypal or credit card?

MarkStark
MarkStark

One of the reasons that Aussies make such good exes it that it is a cult trap started by an American. After they get out, they realize their country was invaded by this commercial enterprise designed to take their money or enslave them, and understandably it pisses them off.

It doesn't make them hate all things American, but it makes them hate that someone like Hubbard would exploit the freedom and reach that a rich power hungry American can have.

I feel responsible and guilty for America's failure to significantly reform Sciloontology's practices, or disband it completely in its present form or at least remove its tax exemption.

Jason should wake up to how the cult uses celebrities as PR tools, and sharply restricts what they can say. Why can't you talk about Xenu, Jason? Are you afraid people will get pneumonia and die, like Hubbard said? Doesn't that strike you as absurd in any way?

There is a whole slave class in your cult. Children of Scilons that were recruited in the Sea Org at an early age and get trapped.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

¿¿¿¿ §o_O§ Here's your barf bag. _ _ {__°_} |___| | | LOL

Strelnikov
Strelnikov

No, Fight Club planned for world implosion, specifically the end of credit-card capitalism.

MarthaWiggins
MarthaWiggins

Steve's article is from the viewpoint of a still-enthralled hubbardite.  It gives some understanding of the problem (as Steve sees it). But it doesn't really address the problem of how to have a conversation with a bubble-head.  Again, I encourage people who have a desire to make meaningful and helpful conversation with scnists to read Just Bill's article "How to talk to a scientologist."  Here's an excerpt:

You need to create a safe atmosphere for the Scientologist to talk and for you to listen. At first, that is the best thing. Do not comment or criticize at this point – just be a sympathetic listener. One of the key elements of listening is staying silent. The less you say, the better. Use “Uh huh?”, “Really?”, “I didn't know that” and anything else that is non-committal but encouraging. Allow the conversation to drift to other subjects but encourage them to talk about their experiences and hopes in Scientology.

Once this safe space has been established, you can ask carefully planned questions. You will know what questions, but along the lines of, "What do you want to accomplish?", "What do you hope for?" You don't have to sarcastically ask the obvious, "... and how's that going for you?" – they will automatically think that themselves. Try to be as non-judgemental as possible. The minute you scoff, criticize, roll your eyes or laugh at the wrong point, they will stop opening up to you.

------Obviously Tony knows how to do an interview and doesn't need any advice from me.  But others might like to know the minefields and how to avoid them.  Go to AsktheScientologist and let Bill give you a leg up.

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Nobody:  Just curious - not saying you aren't correct but in what way did Bibbe Hansen assist Dr. Ettenhauser, since he was the one who delivered the twins.  Are you sure she was even in the room?  Maybe she assisted with pre-delivery breathing techniques or something?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

@ CofS Exit Zone did you get my message?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Well that didn't work. Looked good before I posted it. :-(

I wish we could post pictures on here it would be awesome, especially swooped pictures like on wwp. The one of Stacy Francis forehead just about killed me. lol

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