Scientology Capsize: Commenters of the Week!

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"And we thought the asbestos was bad!"
The scene here in the underground bunker is like the quiet after a major storm. A hurricane blew up out of the Caribbean this week and hit us square on. The place is a mess. The cats are skittish. But the excitement has finally died down a bit, the lights are low, the empty bottles have been cleared out, and we're trying to regain some composure here as we reflect on what happened...

We seem to say it every Saturday, but this time we really mean it: what a week, Scientology watchers!

Early Monday morning, we first heard from Australian journalist Steve Cannane about Valeska Paris, the woman who says she was held against her will aboard Scientology's private cruise ship the Freewinds from 1996 to 2007.

The next day, we published our own lengthy interview with Valeska, with more on her family background, her time on the ship, and her memories of Tom Cruise's lavish birthday party aboard the ship in 2004.

Wednesday morning, we had a special treat: a reader sent us a 1977 Scientology document about training celebrities to talk to the media, and we used it to launch into a mini-investigation, talking to various former church execs about how, in Marty Rathbun's words, celebrities were "drilled like barking seals."

Thursday morning, we got back to the Paris family saga with our lengthy interview of Valeska's younger sister, Melissa, who had her own amazing story of Sea Org misery.

That afternoon, for our regular STATurday roundup, we naturally focused on how the Paris family adventure was washing over Scientology like a tsunami.

Also on Thursday afternoon, we put together a fun slideshow of Scientology celebrities that were known to have taken courses on the Freewinds from 1996 to 2007, the period when Valeska was laboring for Scientology against her will.

And finally, yesterday morning we continued our regular Friday morning feature with another excerpt from L. Ron Hubbard's dispatches to his crew while he sailed the Caribbean. In this installment, he schools President Nixon in a 1971 "Orders of the Day."

We have plenty more coming for you on the Paris sisters, including an interview with Ramana Dienes-Browning, who will shed more light on Valeska's inability to leave the ship.

But for now, let's get to this week's awards!

After Monday's big story about Valeska broke, people naturally had a lot of questions about the Freewinds. We were thrilled to see Mat Pesch show up with these words:

To get a better understanding of imprisonment on the Freewinds one should Google Don Jason's story which can be found in the St Pete Times article as part of the Truth Rundown series. The person being held has no passport, no money, they are not allowed access to public and staff other than their guard, they sleep in a room with a magnetic lock on the door and they are watched on a camera inside their room. The gangway to the dock is always guarded by a security guard. If the prisoner does manage to go down one of the dock ropes (as Don did) they are chased down by multiple security guards and if they still manage to escape they are chased down to what ever country they make it to. I know of Sea Org children that were ordered (by Miscavige) to legally change their name and were sent to a foreign country just to ensure their parents could not find them. Motivation? To spite the parents for crossing Miscavige. To send a 17-year-old girl down in that engine room to work and live for 3 months is no joke. I too have been down there. You strip to your underwear and put on a boiler suit and a pair of boots as the oil and grease would ruin any clothes you would wear. The heat is extreme and you need to constantly drink water because you sweat non stop. The pounding of the engines is so loud that you have to yell to another from inches away to be heard.

Readers also reacted to the church's denials, which were written up by Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw. And Jefferson Hawkins did us a service by putting the church's statement in perspective:

Interesting that despite anything that happens, Scientology doesn't change its tactics. Definition of insanity: continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result. Over the last few years, literally thousands of former Scientologists have come forward with tales of abuse, fraud, family disconnection, violence and greed. These are real people, who have real names and identities. They are willing to appear on camera and tell their stories - and those stories are detailed, emotional and credible. Scientology's only response? These people are "unreliable sources." They are "apostates" and "criminals." They are lying, all of them. And who is saying these things? Faceless Church of Scientology sockpuppets who will not appear on camera, will not talk to reporters, will not answer direct questions. Who stands up for Scientology on this or any other forum? Faceless, nameless sockpuppets with names like "Marcotai" or "Mark Miglio." Who are these people? No one knows. What do they look like? No one knows. Or the Church issues a statement from "Karin Pouw." Well, there is a real Karin Pouw - I knew her. But will she appear on camera? No. Will she talk directly to reporters? No. Has she been seen in public? No. So maybe Karin is issuing these statements and maybe she isn't. Maybe faceless Scientology bureaucrats are writing them and issuing them over her name. And where are Scientology's former spokespeople? Heber Jentzsch? Tommy Davis? Mike Rinder has left the Church, we know, and has admitted that he lied over and over as spokesperson to protect the Church's reputation. And where is Church leader David Miscavige? Why doesn't he appear in public and address these allegations? Any real church leader would. But no, he hides behind nameless and faceless identities who churn out tired, pitiful explanations and excuses. "Scientology is experiencing unprecedented expansion," we are told. They have "8000 organizations." Really? How come their addresses cannot be found, even on your own websites? You have "millions of members." Really? Then where are they? Sorry, but the Church of Scientology is an empty shell with a PR department - and an incompetent one at that.

On Tuesday, we printed our lengthy interview with Valeska, providing a lot more detail
about her story (and there's even more to come, believe me). But some readers were still coming to grips with Pouw's cookie-cutter church statement. We liked what robinlandseadel had to say:

Karin--about that "Apostate" word, it doesn't work in the real world. You might as well be waving a picture of a rabbit with a pancake on its head while pointing at the sky and screaming about fluoride. All that the "Apostate" word tells us is that you're nuts.

And it was great to see one well-known Scientology-escapee, Marc Headley, cheer on another:

Awesome! Thanks Valeska & Chris for standing up to these criminals. Life only gets better the further you get from these guys. Good luck with everything!

Frequent commenter Tye Solaris tried to measure the impact of Valeska's tale...

This is the "Mother" of all Scion Stories... It's got it all... High Seas kidnapping, slavery, torture, movie stars, exotic locations, imprisonment, work camps, celebrities, top executives, mind control, entertainment, lavish spending, .... At times reminding me of the movies 'Mr.Roberts'... 'Catch 22' .... and 'The Great Escape'... And more somberly am reminded of the phrase....'Arbeit Macht Frei'..... which is German for 'Work Makes You Free' ..... which were the Iron Letters above the Gates going into the Concentration Camps of World War II Germany.... many never came out again... they were disposed of "Quietly... and Without Ceremony".... after it was clear that no more work could be squeezed out of their overworked and under-nourished bodies. And this organization created by Hubbard and written by Hubbard declaring them to be... "The ONLY HOPE FOR MANKIND'....?

On Wednesday, we took time out from the Paris family saga to write about a 1977 Scientology document that a reader had sent us. It was a checksheet for training celebrities how to talk about L. Ron Hubbard to the press. We didn't divulge our source, but then in the comments, Bob Peterson claimed rightful credit...

I am very glad you could use that checklist. I was sorting through old papers a while back and came across it. I think that somebody gave it to me while I was working at the LMT. But I never really took the time to read it and understood what it was for; I have seen so many Scientology checklists that one looks very much like another.

Several readers pointed out that a notation on the document revealed that the checksheet was just an experimental program. Nancy Many, who helped us on the story, chimed in to put that in context:

I just noticed the "pilot" on the issue. That means that this was to be tested out on individuals. It may never have worked and never have been used broadly, but all the drills and comments regarding these are all true, they were being used back then and they are being used now. Many of the celebrities I worked with were not well educated. They either did not have the attention span to sit for an entire course, or they simply could not deal with the length of this course --- even if offered for free (which I am certain this course was).

Writer Skip Press also helped us on the piece, and we were happy to see him join the fray as well...

Yeoman's work as usual, Tony, great job. Never forget this -- most of the top $cientology celebrities are horribly educated. Far as I know, Travolta only went as far as the sixth grade. I don't think Miscavige finished high school. Anne Archer was a horrible student -- she told me so herself. And what few people seem to remember is that at Celebrity Centre when it moved to its current location -- the former Chateau Elysee that was for years called "The Manor" because $cientologists could also live there -- there was a SEPARATE courseroom for celebrities like Priscilla Presley. I asked about that once. After all, if you were "qualified" in the eyes of $cientology to take courses there (as I was, having achieved that status in the broad world post-staff, but who cares), then shouldn't everyone use the same course rooms? Hubbard appealed CONSTANTLY to vanity with his baloney "OT powers" and that's why many of them joined and are still there. Deluded fools.

Thursday morning, we published our lengthy interview with Melissa Paris, who had her own story of extreme deprivations in the Sea Org. That brought this response from Old Timer:

Wow. And I thought the Sea Org was fucked up when I was in!

Melissa's story also hit home with Brian Culkin, who was recently featured in the St. Petersburg Times special project, "The Money Machine":

I almost started crying reading this. Unreal. A family ripped apart like that. For what purpose? I can't even begin to grasp how that is possible in a religious context. Wow. So much respect to both of them.

We were also happy to see this assessment of Melissa Paris by ChaosConsumer:

I like the cut of Melissa's jib. I think she might even have surpassed Jason Beghe in the straight talking stakes in my eyes. I'd like to hear more from her.

On Thursday afternoon, in our usual stats roundup, we traced the evolution of the Valeska Paris story up to that point. In the meantime, some noticed that other news organizations were interested in another story: Kelly Preston's claim that her Scientologist friend Kirstie Alley's weight-loss outfit had helped her slim down. We appreciated the way Xenu put that in perspective:

Here's a toast to the members of the press who think that kidnapping and enslavement are more important than losing 39 pounds.

Frequent commenter Mark Stark, meanwhile, let us know how well the story was spreading:

The Yahoo blog with Valeska's story has over 6000 comments and Xenu knows how many people read the link to Tony's interview with her. It's an extremely powerful story, and the cult does not know what to do about it but crawl in a hole and hide, while issuing absurd statements which are transparent lies, even for people who know little about Scientology. Could this be the story that brings them down? In Australia, this could be a death blow. The story captures the total control this cult can exert over a young person's life. Why? Simply because she had the misfortune to be born into a family where the parents took a strong interest in it. Self determinism? Freedom? Is that what this cult is about, that would snatch a young woman of 14 and draft her into their paramilitary Sea Org for the next billion years, keeping her away from her mother, all to salvage this sector of the galaxy?

Thursday afternoon's slideshow of celebrities who sailed the Freewinds during the period that Valeska Paris was laboring on the ship brought out this reaction from Anonamazing:

Yeah, I did this course on the Freewinds. Like all of them, you get the evangelical high that makes it seem like something is happening, but of course has no impact lasting more than a day or two.

And Mark Stark struck again, this time with this great thought...

Wouldn't it be just terrible -- I mean the planet might collapse -- if because of this article, one of these celebrities read Valeska's story, and wanted to know more?

Finally, on Friday, we printed another excerpt from L. Ron Hubbard's orders of the day, this time a 1971 dissertation by the Commodore about Nixon's economic policies. We asked in the piece if Kate Bornstein could tell us whether Hubbard expected feedback for such screeds. Kate was kind enough to answer:

We never questioned any of his rants, Tony. After all, he was the one who was reading weekly economic reports from the American Institute for Economic Research and the American Institute Counselors, Inc--whatever the fuck they were, and whatever validity they had as sources of information. We were't allowed to read that stuff--we were only allowed to read "Source," another moniker he enjoyed. Everything and anyone else was "off Source," or squirrel. Rants like this just made us more secure in the knowledge that he was the only one who knew what he was talking about... on any subject. I do remember that references to Nixon's "beer hall buddies" meant his German advisors and collaborators, because Nixon (as we all know) was under the thumb of the Krauts and their psychiatrically implanted plans to enslave humanity. As to the inflation part, LRH only talked about that to stress how important it was to get our stats up now, now, now because otherwise we'd be too late to save the planet. Ah, those were the days.

Yes, those were the days. But as for Scientology watching, I don't think I'd trade today for any other time. Imagine what great things are still to come in future weeks!

As a matter of fact, this weekend I'm going to be cooking up some nice end-of-year specials, some of which will rely on reader feedback. So get ready to help us out with some polls as we send the Scientology-watching year out in style!


The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology
#1: L. Ron Hubbard
#2: David Miscavige
#3: Marty Rathbun
#4: Tom Cruise
#5: Joe Childs and Tom Tobin
#6: Anonymous
#7: Mark Bunker
#8: Mike Rinder
#9: Jason Beghe
#10: Lisa McPherson
#11: Nick Xenophon (and other public servants)
#12: Tommy Davis (and other hapless church executives)
#13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)
#14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)
#15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)
#16: Marc and Claire Headley, escapees of the church's HQ
#17: Jefferson Hawkins, the man behind the TV volcano
#18: Amy Scobee, former Sea Org executive
#19: The Squirrel Busters (and the church's other thugs and goons)
#20: Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)
#21: Kendrick Moxon, attorney for the church
#22: Jamie DeWolf (and other L. Ron Hubbard family members)
#23: Ken Dandar (and other attorneys who litigate against the church)
#24: David Touretzky (and other academics)
#25: Xenu, galactic overlord


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

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In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]
[Lori Hodgson and Disconnection: "No one's going to take my eternity away"]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
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[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]
[Philip Boyd, Saving Grace actor, rips "the business that is Scientology"]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?] | [The Birmingham trove: 7,000 internal e-mails]
[Australian farmer blamed for giving Tom Cruise a bad shrimp, loses her friends, family]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
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Roddog61

Now listen, these people weren't prisoners.  They were volunteers. You guys are ignoring the logical explanations, for all of these misunderstandings.  The keeping of their money, valuables, clothes and passports were strictly for theft protection.  The locks on the cabin door merely was a safety measure against sleep walking.  (Dangerous on a ship).  The deafening noise in the work environment helped them with their communications skills. The long hours of backbreaking, forced, labor was simply part of a general fitness plan that might be found on any luxury craft. The rope climb to get off the ship was simply to develop upper body strength and chasing them down the dock was providing motivation for their track workouts.  The ball and chain?  Oh, that was an efficient Electrostatic Discharge Device, which merely grounded them to the hull, while also providing resistance for another one of  those track workouts.  You see? These ingrates should be thanking "the church".

Xenu
Xenu

"To me, the reason Sciloontology 'works' for some people, is that it breaks them out of patterns of thinking and behavior, and puts them in a new pattern."

I agree with that, for the most part.  But I see another level to it.

Scientology has some techniques which make people feel good.  These are mostly at the lowest levels, intro courses (TRs) through ARC Straightwire (reminiscing about pleasant memories).  They are techniques which have very little to do with the bulk of Scientology theory, but everything to do with Scientology's survival and cultishness.

Most critics have huge problems with how Hubbard promised impossible things to his followers.  Increased IQ, discarded glasses, perfect memory and health, etc., not to mention OT superpowers.  Scilons are rarely very disturbed by the lack of promised results, because they know that some Scientology has made them feel great before, and have accepted the notion that, because it made them feel great, the whole enormous shitload of theory must be true.  This dramatically reinforces what would otherwise only be placebo effect, making the transformation into cult zombie possible.

In a lecture, Hubbard discussed Marco Polo's (probably very inaccurate) description of  Hassan i-Sabbah's assassins -- how they were drugged, and awakened in a false paradise, which they were told they could return to at Hassan's discretion.  Having experienced "paradise" first hand, they became fanatical cultists, willing to engage in suicide attacks at Hassan's order.

I think you can see where I'm going with this.

MarkStark
MarkStark

I think the transition from being made to feel great, to accepting the whole of it as true, comes from the limitations placed on doubt. People feel if they let go of the whole (as true), they won't get any more good feelings, and may even lose something they've gained.

In effect, people are told that if you think this won't work, and doubt and question everything, without trusting, it won't work. But if you trust us, and believe it may work for you, it can.

The internet has opened whole new ways of looking at the whole of Scientology: It's history, effects on people, their advertising and money squeezing, abuses, people it drives crazy, people it helps makes rich and the process.

I've gone into this analogy before, about the way people research and buy products...They don't want to buy something (anything of value anyway) solely on the basis of it looking or sounding (via ads) attractive. They also want to know if it is durable, works well, and especially what other people think about it. Why should that shift not affect Scientology significantly?

Maybe this explains why Marty will attract very few people new to Scientology. They aren't being forced to accept the whole, or trust completely, so there's much less control, nor can they see the displayed wealth or buy into a dream or fantasy as easily, just because it is secret, or because they've never tried it before.

The official Scilon website is like if Amazon were to allow only 5-star ratings and reviews only. Or worse, reviews that are staged and produced by the company, like people get theta points for delivering an enthusiastic message.

When Stupid Powerz opens, I hope existing members, having been squeezed too much for money, will turn to the web for a wider sampling of the new process, and then stumble into everything else. I don't know, maybe they'll see Super Power as something they want to dig in deeper for, ignoring everything but it. We'll see.

MarkStark
MarkStark

One of the worst aspects of Scientology, is that it can trap a person, even if it doesn't make them feel better. It traps them into feeling hope, that it will be better at the next level. Let's say a person is feeling depressed. They get trapped into declaring false improvement always hoping their hell will end at the next level. Then when it doesn't, they feel like failures. In that way, it is a controlling, narrow system. That may have happened to Noah Lottick.

Maybe for another person, just hoping and trusting makes them feel better. I guess the idea is, people deserve to know what they are getting into.

sketto
sketto

Well said.

And as a result, I feel the fight remaining to be fought involves exposing the reality of the whole Scientology enterprise to those who claim they've had low-level "wins" and asking them if they feel it's worth defending the whole abusive cult for that personal reason.

Or, said another way, "Is it ok that a young girl in Scientology's Sea Org was given a poor education, disconnected from her family, imprisoned for 12 years, and given hard-labor...as long as auditing and Scientology courses help you feel better about your own life?"

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Mark, 

I want to make a point here of Thanking You.  You clearly have invested a great deal of your attention and earnest analytical intelligence in understanding what Hubbard and the Church has created... it really is an achievement.  Your written thoughts are careful and precise and uncover the 'Deceptions' that have been perpetrated.

I have invested nearly thirty years, not full time.. thankfully, in trying to unravel what Hubbard did and how the whole operation of the church so successfully "gamed" me for so many years.

The greatest stop for me was the sheer lack of information or data that has been suppressed for so many years by Hubbard and the Church...

Why Scientology is so powerful in it's effect is so far "out gradient" that most people could simply not understand or believe... so we focus on the Administrative, Marketing and Policy Orders that when looked at as a whole and paired up with the ACTUAL history of Hubbard one can clearly see WHAT IS..... and not just What Is Being Sold.

In the past I have inquired why Hubbard chose Clearwater for Flag... with the attendant long term risks of Hurricanes and Water Levels... also, L.A. for it's long time predictions of an eventual catastrophic earthquake scenario.....

Each time I was told " Ron would not have chosen this location if there were any future dangers"..... implying that Ron was a Master of Time itself.... easily shifting forward and backwards on the track....

Well, as has been said before.... Ron did not "Predict" the Internet in any way, shape or form.

The Internet is without question the most important development in putting people in communication with each other and advancing the basic human desire for Freedom and Prosperity....  

Which oddly is exactly what Scientology sells and even more ironically, is what is making it possible to expose this "Con" for what it is.... and hopefully save many, many, many lives and families along the way.

Xenu
Xenu

"Each time I was told 'Ron would not have chosen this location if there were any future dangers'..... implying that Ron was a Master of Time itself.... easily shifting forward and backwards on the track....

Well, as has been said before.... Ron did not "Predict" the Internet in any way, shape or form."

He also did a spectacularly poor job of remembering the Big Bang.  One would think that abruptly being immersed in plasma at a billion degrees kelvin would make a big impression on a thetan, if not cause some sort of engram.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I just read at wwp some disturbing news but I am not sure if it's true?

Tommy Davis wife Jessica is terminally ill with leukemia. She is in very bad shape. Jessica chose to deal with her illness with auditing versus effective medical treatment, thus allowing time for the cancer to spread.

Sounds like the prognosis is not good. No matter how much of a wuss Tommy is... I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

What's up with sclions and cancer? Is the Freewinds causing it?

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

"What's up with sclions and cancer? Is the Freewinds causing it?"

Let's take a look at the lifestyle of a dedicated Scientologist.

They ignore a lot of medical problems as they are too busy to deal with them.They live a life of severe stress, sleep deprivation, poor nutrition and didI say severe stress, I'm talking stress that is unimaginable to most people.

They generally shun MD's and when symptoms show up they are likely to go for apts interview and a touch assist rather than a physical and blood tests.

By the time they do show up at an MD, it's way past the point of effective treatmentand they usually don't opt for it anyway. 

Long term massive stress + sleep deprivation + poor nutrition = Cancer

Scientology Kills.

NCSP
NCSP

I have a feeling it has more to do with a certain cavalier attitude toward health issues and a lack of early detection. I have no idea about the details of this case, though. It does suck, a lot.

I'm repeating myself here, but I want to put it out there:

About 25 years ago, my mom worked for the PGA Tour in Florida. One time, Terry Jastrow was there working on some televised golf tournament and Anne Archer and Tommy Davis were there too. My mom met them at a party at someone's house. I asked her about it recently and she said that they were very nice people and that Tommy, who would have been 13 or so, was a perfectly normal, sweet kid who had been stung by a bee that day.

Since then, I always try to remember that something happened to that sweet kid to turn him into someone who does what Tommy Davis does now, and it's *that thing* that I oppose, not the person.

Scientia
Scientia

"That thing" is where emotion and recognition of one's feelings are a pathetic distraction from simply "getting the job done".

"That thing" is where ARC and understanding is replaced with shouting, screaming, Severe Reality Adjustments, compliance and "Command Intention".

Above all else, "that thing" is the sacrifice of self and every other Dynamic for the sake of the Group.

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." -- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 7.

lcmsmommy
lcmsmommy

WOW! I've just started really learning about CoS, and it seems I found Tony and y'all at a great time--so much information, I can barely take it all in. Thanks for helping a newbie navigate this crazy world (even tho you didn't know you were doing so). It's getting difficult to keep some of the terminology straight (as I found when learning about the mormons). Is there a CoS-English dictionary somewhere?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Hi Icmsmommy, there's a nice Simple Scientology Glossary at Ex-Scientology Kid's site. It's a good start, but let me warn you some of the stories will break your heart. It's one of the reasons why I am against Scientology.

Anyways welcome, you'll learn a lot here, I know I have. :-)

NCSP
NCSP

This is a good one: http www xenu-directory net / glossary / glossary_a htm -- I hope you can parse that, the commenting system doesn't allow links. There are also official Scientology dictionaries out there. But a lot of it just sinks in over time as you read more and figure it out from context.

Welcome! I was in your position a couple of years ago after reading the Truth Rundown, the great SP Times series. That's something worth checking out if you want to learn more.

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

After reading the V V articles over the past several weeks and noting the comments by cultists, one cannot help to wonder the motivation by either side of the issue.

Two questions:What would former Scientologists gain by lying?  NOTHINGWhat would current Scientologists lose by speaking truth?  EVERYTHING

Scientology is in an indefensible position and they know it.

StabbyMcStoo
StabbyMcStoo

Tony, please have someone on your end re-check all the lovely links you have.  I found one, at least, that is broken.  The Tory Magoo "Sympathy for the Devil" isn't working.  There may be more broken links.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Thank you, I fixed that link. And I have been meaning to overhaul them -- I'm well behind and don't have links to our most current stories. Hoping to find some time for that soon.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Dear Readers,

Once again, Scientology advocate Mark Miglio has sent me comments directly, via e-mail, rather than posting them here. And among several messages, he offered me some career advice. This one left me somewhat speechless, and I thought you all might appreciate seeing it....

Tony,

I was thinking about what a nice life you must live.  You probably get paid well, live in one of the fashionable areas of the city, have a lot of hot NYU women working under you, and you write what you want, when you want. 

I suspect that you often experience the finest entertainment and eat in gourmet eateries and in quality organic vegetarian restaurants.  Quite wonderful. 

Writing is probably the best job one can have, but I suggest that it has become too easy for your own good. You can do better by stretching your abilities. How about taking on a panorama of new challenges. Rough projects where the work is difficult but the wins of the accomplishments are exceptionally satisfying. 

I am sure that both of us want to make a “difference”, but I think that our personal difference is that I look forward to be doing the top nature jobs that others can’t confront. I always want to surmount the most neglected and difficult assignment that I can. 

We can say that Scientology is an easy attack. There are plenty of people that can attack Scientology; and it is true some of them even feel that they are making a needed societal contribution. My point is that while I may not be able to show you that your attacks are doing more harm than good, I think that I can suggest a new way of thinking about your own writing assignments that will result in a win-win situation for both of us, and for all of us.

I ask you do something even better than writing about Scientology. Scientology is too darn easy to discredit. Let the more ordinary writers do Scientology. I think that you need, and will be best serving yourself, when you to do something more grand. Only you will know what that could be, but you’ll know the right assignment when it stimulates your elevation.

It is no fun to reach the top of your current abilities and then not progress into new higher realms. Why not try to do something dangerously new in order to stretch yourself to the max.

Money, good food, and solid investments are too materialistic. They only provide a limited level of pleasure and they keep you stuck on a treadmill where you are always losing because anything that you do is ever enough. Bluntly, they hold in a trap: a spiritual trap, a theta trap, an addiction of the material as a substitute for love. Material attachments also destroy glory. Glory is a human spiritual thing, the respect of one being to another. 

The significant joys of living come from the efforts taken to elevate people to higher levels of lasting happiness. 

It can be stated simply: We can achieve this, not by helping others exert better control, increased consummation, or greater accumulation of MEST but it, is done by helping people achieve better understanding and appreciation of their life experiences. 

The results that I look for in the people that I help are for higher levels of self love and the love of others. 

ARC,

Mark

MarkStark
MarkStark

On the topic of  consumerism, Thoreau wrote that a feeling of dissatisfaction with one's possessions can be resolved in two ways: one may acquire more, or reduce one's desires.

Sciloontology offers a middle solution: You are supposed to buy (consume) multiple sets of THE BASICS at $3000 each, stack them up your garage (or in the middle of the living room) and distribute them to friends or neighbors, many of whom who would be fearful of you if you unloaded this crazy shit on them.

In order to do this, you should live with less material things or take out holy loans to pay for it. Because Sciloontology is more valuable than gold but they want your gold too, like gold teeth if you have any. I'm so confused!

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

"Scientology—Unloading Crazy Shit on Unsuspecting Friends and Relatives Since 1952."

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

Wow, this guy is so out of touch with reality.  His email to you reminded me of a time when I worked for OSA and infiltrated a "squirrel group" for 2 years in Boston.

After months of "data collection" on the members of the squirrel group, someone dug out some kind of "squirrel group handling"  advice written by LRH.  Based on LRH "advice" aka policy, Squirrels and SP's are easy to distract and so my task was to get them to stop using Scn and to send them in another direction of "offbeat practices". 

It's pretty obvious that Mark Miglio was given the task of trying to get you to leave Scn crticism and go onto to bigger and better things.  Somehow, he thought that blowing smoke up your ass was going to do the trick.  LOL. 

Oh, and this, "I suspect that you often experience the finest entertainment and eat in gourmet eateries and in quality organic vegetarian restaurants. Quite wonderful."

This is classic OSA! Dumbasses think they can covertly send a message to let you know they are watching you and that it's going to "intimidate you". But what is does instead is expose them for the vile fucktards they are.

Deluded is as deluded does.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

David Miscavige, I know you're reading this.

Now, repeat after me—Squirrel Group Handling."

This is your new mantra. To are to repeat this phrase while sitting full lotus until WE deem that you have received full enlightenment. We want nothing more than you achieve all that is possible via Scientology.

"Squirrel Group Handling." "Squirrel Group Handling." "Squirrel Group Handling." "Squirrel Group Handling."  . . . .

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

"quality organic vegetarian restaurants" - Organic Liaisons? Surely not! ;D

NCSP
NCSP

LOL. It's like when one of the commenters on the recent SP Times articles said that Hy Levy just wanted to get a payday from the Times. The fact that American journalists don't pay sources aside, how much money do they think newspapers have these days??

I guess they have some image of a press baron strolling around with a top hat and a diamond stick-pin tossing out thousands of dollars for pictures of the Spanish-American War. Sure, Rupert Murdoch is rich, but that's because he's EVIL. (Also he's in television, which isn't doing so hot either, but that's another story.)

Frolix8
Frolix8

"Scientology is too darn easy to discredit." Channeling Tommy Davis?

StabbyMcStoo
StabbyMcStoo

Yes, Mark, Scientology is "easy to attack".  All one needs to do is pull back the curtain and expose it for what it really is, a HUGE FRAUD. 

I take it you've never seen The Wizard of Oz?

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

 "easy to attack" my ass, they're an all-purpose punchline.

MarkStark
MarkStark

He was doing quite well, until the part about avoiding "increased consummation" while increasing "self love." Sounds all very out-2D to me.

You'd think Pouw could help Miglio with his English, but she's probably busy getting drilled and hatted, while drafting 140 page response letters.

Andrew Robertson
Andrew Robertson

 I heard that the Chairman of the Board, Religious Technology Center won't let Karin Pouw be interviewed because he doesn't think her command of English is good enough! Not that I'm defending Miss Pinocchio of course, but I do wonder whatever  happened to Linda Simmons Hight, at one time the voice of Scientology public relations?

The Church's 'scientology dot org' website still has Linda's smiling face on it along with Tommy Davis on the 'Spokespersons' link though neither of them say much nowadays. Could Karin be the next 'disappeared one'?

MarkStark
MarkStark

That's funny! Maybe she sounds too much like a Scilon and can't stop using words like "overts." In her letters, her English is good, but they could have a team of editors and lawyers that goes over each one, and Miscavige too, or course.

I wish they would use Cyrus Brooks. He's my favorite, because he's a gibberating riot. He talks like he's being eaten alive by hungry clusters of Body Thetans.

You can hear Cyrus by Google video searching: Cyrus Brooks CCHR. It's a radio interview on 88.9 FM. Cyrus's speaking disease seemingly infects the poor interviewer too.

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

Next Mark Miglio will star in a YouTube, Chris Crocker style "Leave Scientology Alone!" video.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I'll be damn. Tony, I think Mark is a stalker. How does he know what you eat and drink or how you live?

I hope your being extra careful like, security surveillance in your home and at work.

I'll never forget about Shawn Longsdale, I'll never believe he committed suicide.

Your the biggest threat to this creepy cult. I don't trust any of them, especially the ones who want to get real close to fast.

Remember what they did to Paula Cooper.

NCSP
NCSP

I didn't see it as that threatening, just kind of creepy. (Try reading it in the voice of that snake from "The Jungle Book," it's fun! "Tony, you should ssssstop writing about Ssssscientology, it's too easssssy....")

Unless Tony actually does go to a lot of "organic vegetarian restaurants," I just thought that part was a dumb stereotype of how them big city lib'ruls are.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I love Anonsparrow's protest videos. To bad he has to protest across the street now. He'll always be a hero in my book.

NCSP
NCSP

Well, caution is never misplaced in relation to Scientology, but I think the CoS is more or less a paper tiger these days. Other than AnonSparrow (who handed them their asses), who have they even taken to court recently? They had Marty arrested for a few hours, but that was laughed out of court and it's all they were able to get after years of harassment and surveillance.

They've been able to defend themselves effectively in lawsuits so far, but in terms of taking positive action, compared to even ten years ago, they're toothless.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Yeah, maybe I'm being a little to paranoid..lol...but make no mistake about it, they are capable of doing some pretty evil things for the greater good...

Tony's been doing this for years now I'm sure he knows what to look for.

I just worry 'cause Tony's blog is really doing some damage. Hell, this is one of the best SP blogs in the blogosphere. lol

Anyway, thank you for reassuring me.

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

" I always want to surmount the most neglected and difficult assignment that I can."--Mark has tossed the tooth brush aside and is now cleaning toilets with with tongue.

"Scientology is too darn easy to discredit.  Let the more ordinary writers do Scientology."

--The weakness is shining. Now is the time to hit hard.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Total, Batshit insanity. You sure know how to get the loonies to come out swingin' for the fences.

Good job Tony—we always knew you were OT 64 material.

PS: "You probably get paid well, live in one of the fashionable areas of the city, have a lot of hot NYU women working under you,"

Are these, in fact, office conditions at the VV?

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

for a flash there.... I thought Miglio was talking about Miscavige!

Writing is the best job in the world??

Never felt that way to me.

bobx
bobx

Miglio was saying, I think, that writing is the best-PAID job in the world... hasn't seemed that way to a lot of people.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Oh, I ain't touching that one, Robin.

Roggy McGee
Roggy McGee

MarkMiglio must have found your job posting on monster.com...

VillageVoice Media has an immediate opening for a journalist with exceptional writing,editing, and management skills who can meet the daily challenges of our rapidlyexpanding online entheta while supporting high-quality print work.  The ideal candidate will be young, female,and hot.  

Qualifiedcandidates should send a cover letter, resume, NYU transcripts, and bikini picsto: baller_SP@villiagevoice.com.

PattyMoher
PattyMoher

It's been one hell of an enthetapalooza!   It's so much fun!  Thanks Tony for all your work!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Tony, I am really excited about your interview with Ramana Dienes-Browning, can't wait to read it. *rubbing hands together*

Chuckbeatty77
Chuckbeatty77

Tony, and Village Voice, you're doing about as excellent a job as possible, putting out so much concentrated relevant raw information about the Scientology movement, a movement at it's 60 year mark, approximately.

Unpopular "apologist" scholars, and even traditional dead famous scholars, like William James, long dead before Scientology and Hubbard's science fiction exorcism soul astronaut Xenu caused the Wall of Fire  hype cult showed up, the world's smarter mentsches (people) have already long ago explained why it is that people burrow into dumb and abusive movements, and get entangled there.

But even as bad as the Sea Org "watch" and detainment procedures and hard manual labor enforced treatment is, even during my over 7 years on the cult's prison/re-education system and various detention categories ("the decks" "under watch" "blow threat" "isolation watch"), I gamed that crap system, and people in general have long gamed all versions and fad applications of  the crap Hubbard system one way or another.

I did it  by sneaking reading the prison library encyclopedias and reference books, my favorite was the Oxford Companion to English Literature, a book alone containing more wisdom than all of Hubbard's millions of words of science fiction dribble. 

Good media leads to good books leads to good encyclopedia articles, which even the Scientologists are obligated by Hubbard to have "wog" reference books in their course rooms, which leads to helping some like me, who chose to read those encyclopedias and reference books even in the bowels of the RPF.

So thanks again for all who are getting Scientology history laid out so it becomes inevitable for Scientologists to see.  

Peter
Peter

With recent stories re: False Memory Syndrome(1. news story of woman made to believe she had been in a Satanic cult 2. book out revealing Sybil case was a fraud), it would be interesting to see an analysis of this cult in regard to this.

Chuckbeatty77
Chuckbeatty77

Chapter 3 of Harriet Whitehead's "Renunciation and Reformulation" covers a little of this ground.  

Harriet compares Freud, Jung and Hubbard's views about the fantastic impossible utterances of patients.   Hubbard's point, which already was other people's conclusions also, was that patients improved when the therapist acted sincerely in response to the patient's obvious imagination incidents.   For this and various other reasons, I guess Hubbard's mental case memories himself,  explains Hubbard leaping into past lives false memories as reality, for himself, and for the group of followers that formed Scientology.  

Great thread to research. 

NCSP
NCSP

On the other hand, recent research seems to suggest that "recovered" memories become, to the patient, as "real" as memories of events that actually happened, and that when therapists or other authority figures (AHEM auditors) validate them it only reinforces this. So that even if no abuse happened, for example, the trauma that a patient may have in relation to a wholly false memory of child abuse is comparable to that of someone who actually experienced abuse.

In the case of child abuse, obviously all allegations have to be taken very seriously, but in the area of recovered memory therapy (which is essentially what auditing is -- even present-life auditing) sometimes invalidation is perfectly appropriate and even helpful to a person's condition.

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