Scientology: L. Ron Hubbard Still Surfing the Galaxy

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Twenty-six years ago today, L. Ron Hubbard decided to leave his body after using it for 74 years.

A young David Miscavige, a Sea Org member who behind the scenes had been clearing the way to become Hubbard's successor as leader of the Scientology movement, announced Hubbard's death to his followers at the Palladium in Los Angeles. It is still a dramatic moment.

"Approximately two weeks ago, he completed all of his researches he had set out to do," Miscavige says, and you can hear the audience react with admiration and applause, apparently not realizing what's coming.

"He has now moved on to his next level of OT* research. This level is beyond anything anyone of us has ever imagined. This level is in fact done in an exterior state. Meaning, that it is done completely exterior from the body. At this level of OT, the body is nothing more than an impediment, an encumbrance to any further gain as an OT. Thus, at 2000 hours Friday, the 24th of January, AD 36, L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime for 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. The body he had used to facilitate his existence in this MEST universe had ceased to be useful and in fact had become an impediment to the work he now must do outside of its confines. He felt it was important, as Scientologists, that you were the first to become aware of this fact...

"The being we knew as L. Ron Hubbard still exists. However, the body he had could no longer serve his purposes. This decision was one made at complete cause by L. Ron Hubbard. Although you may feel grief, understand that he did not, and does not now. He has simply moved on to his next step."

Well, it's 26 years later, and L. Ron is apparently still researching new OT levels out between the stars somewhere. Ex-Scientologists tell me that church executives still fully believe that Hubbard will eventually return to the Earth in a new body, and they are preparing for that with several different houses for the new Hubbard to live in.

We'll have more about that in one of several lengthy stories we're preparing at the moment. But for now, let's just contemplate the amazing translation of L. Ron Hubbard from tubby old recluse to galactic soul surfer, surely an amazing moment in American spiritual history.

[*OT = "Operating Thetan," a level of spiritual enlightenment that Scientologists achieve after several years -- and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees. "AD 36" = After Dianetics, which was published in 1950. "MEST" = an acronym for "matter, energy, space, and time," which represents the physical, rather than spiritual realm. Still confused? Check out our primer, "What is Scientology?"]


Update: January 24 turns out to be an anniversary in other ways for Scientology watchers. As Kate Bornstein tells us in the comments below, it was January 24, 1986 that she legally changed her name from Al to Kate. And I just spotted this notice by Claire Headley at Facebook which gives us another reason to mark this day on the calendar:

Today is my own personal Independence Day... This day seven years ago I escaped from a dangerous cult with the clothes on my back, $200 in my purse and the husband I love. I miss my family who were taken from me in the process and I hope one day they will return to me... However I love the life I now have and thus I celebrate breaking free from the cult I was born into.



Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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Strelnikov
Strelnikov

Ron isn't "surfing the galaxy"; he's a gigolo on Zordak 12.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

Miscavige may or may not have had any prior knowledge or participation in the death of Flo Barnett. We may never know.

What we do know is that he is the leader of a dangerous cult where even the mother-in-law of the head honcho was not protected from the vicious malpractice of a pseudoscience that far too often ends in psychosis, deep depression, or illness.

At the very least it most often ends in broken lives, destroyed families, bankrupted and struggling members, and mind controlled robots who will swear their religion works and that they couldn't be happier, right up to that very day where they finally realize they have been had.

It doesn't really matter if DM was involved in a murder or if she committed suicide. He still has all of her blood on his hands and that of many, many others as well.

To say, "That bitch got what she deserved" shows just how depraved this person really is.

Was she murdered? I believe that one could make an argument that she was, even if not technically as the very organization that was entrusted to truly care about her welfare, abandoned her and allowed/caused her to have a mental breakdown.

Driving people to suicide surely is an efficient way to murder.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

I was there when the announcement was made.

I also recall when the "Kid" walked on stage and took the Podium...

Here was some junior officer who was not even an executive... and all of the elder leadership just moved off to the side... and stood silent.

It was peculiar.... but now since the sheer tonnage of vetted historical testimony has come forward it all makes sense ... and the portrait of what they presented to membership was just a lie.

Sam
Sam

Seriously does anyone believe a word that comes out of Miscavige's mouth?LRH always said if it isn't written it isn't true. Where are the dox Darth Midget????My opinion - Miscavige made up a fairy story to prevent and exodus from the cult.He sure looks nervous.......

Sam
Sam

Not trying to defend LRH here before the trolls jump on the band-wagon. Just saying that Miscavige is a power-hungry lying sack of s&%t.

DO
DO

DM has "run the show" for almost as long as LRH.

Most active Scientologists joined AFTER this DM presentation.Do 1970s-era Kodak employees come back to the now-bankrupt Kodak and criticize it because they have updated themselves to keep with the times (e.g., digital photography)?  Of course not.

So why do old-timers criticize the Church for updating itself?  Look, as with most organizations, Scientology has many policies... taken out of context, they even may appear contradictory.  So it's easy to blame any change as being "off policy", when, in fact, it might just be modern day management practices that have no underlying policy.

The Catholic Church updated itself with second Vatican council.  Now Mass can be in languages other than Latin.  Are they criticized?  (Well, apart from Mel Gibson's dad.)

Same with Mormonism.  The Romneys who fled USA to Mexico so they could practice polygamy... well, guess what, no need for that, as the Mormon church banned the practice 100 years ago.

So, too, Scientology demonstrates itself as a present time religion by refining its practices, by filtering poorly transcribed source material, and pushing off bad choices by earlier administrators.

The Catholic church had pretender Popes in Avignon (or was it the other way around, I forget)... Scientology can have its own internal disputes, surely, without criticism that the whole edifice of the modern church is flawed.

The Scientologist
The Scientologist

I actually emailed Tony some weeks back about this very issue of the past lives case folders, and the fact that never have any "past life" Scientologists returned to continue their auditing from where they had last left off.

My issue was that Church staff, without any evidence whatsoever or even the willingness to provide some shred of evidence, will lie through their teeth and claim that "countless" Scientologists have returned to continue their auditing from their original previous lifetime case folder. People first receiving auditing have to sign a waiver disclaiming any right to the case folder, effectively making their case folders the sole property of the Church. When asked why this is so, it's because of this past life nonsense.

When I repeatedly demanded evidence of past life Scientologists returning and using their original case folders, I always ended up in Ethics, because the most they would show is some sort of incredibly vague success story, and even then these were few and far between and didn't prove anything except somebody saying, "I was a past life Scientologist! I came back to continue auditing this lifetime and now I am Clear!" or some bullshit like that. Not even any mention that they found their past lifetime grave marker, or even remembered their name so as to get the case folder.

I even went so far as to put in a request to get my own past lifetime case folder so I could continue auditing, and I told them I had my name and everything. I had to go through at least 14 different Sea Org terminals before I actually encountered someone who even remotely gave a rats ass, because they were all indifferent to the point that they didn't even seem to believe this shit themselves. The last person I talked to told me how to go through the process, that I had to contact the exact org where auditing had last been completed.

So, I did that, sent a request in and everything to the local org where I had allegedly completed my last auditing action in the previous lifetime, and I never heard back from anyone. I sent several more letters, and even routed copies to ED Int and C/S Int - months passed and I was completely ignored.

When it comes to this type of bullshit, I would say most of these motherfuckers don't believe in any of it. And since they obviously don't buy into their own bullshit, why the fuck they continue lying to people is beyond me. The only conclusion I've been able to reach is that they're just sick in the head.

DO
DO

You had some sort of proof that you had prior life auditing?  Or, perhaps, did the folks you talked to suss out that you didn't, and you were just doing some elaborate "test"?

If I go to the ER and claim I have measles, can you blame them for pushing me aside, with my clear (somewhat pasty) skin?  Sure, I can get angry, show them a couple of zits, and decry them to my friends as being sham doctors...

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Ron? That you? Sorry, I must be hearing things, carry on.

Heather Grace
Heather Grace

Happy anniversary, Claire. You made a great decision and I'm just one of thousands who respects and admires you and celebrates the fact that you left the cult.

Anon A
Anon A

I often wonder if some Scientologists don't occasionally steal cigarettes from the packs of Kools supposedly kept in the desk drawers of the empty offices set apart for LRH's "return" at various Orgs.  Are they always Kools?  How often are the packs changed out?  Which Org flunky is in charge of this? What if you get caught stealing a cig from "Ron's" pack?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Might be tempting if they have a pack a day habit. A carton of cigs cost $49.00 plus tax and most of them only make $50.00 week. So, how do they afford their habit?

WTF?
WTF?

"He has now moved on to his next level of OT* research. This level is beyond anything anyone of us has ever imagined. This level is in fact done in an exterior state. Meaning, that it is done completely exterior from the body. At this level of OT, the body is nothing more than an impediment, an encumbrance to any further gain as an OT."So, which OT levels come after you leave your body? And, if you do not happen to die so you can start these levels, do they have an app that helps with that?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Ahh, poor davey doesn't have a telepromtor, he has to read from notes. :-[

Radio Paul
Radio Paul

They applauded DM when he came out to report the death of LRH but I suspect that when DM dies they will be jumping for joy. Unless they drink the Kool-Aid with him.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

"The only difference between a cult and a religion is 100 years." - unknown?

“Theonly difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate theyown” - Frank Zappa

“Acult is a religion with no political power.” - Thomas Wolfe

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

" The sleep of reason brings forth monsters " . -Goya

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

That was a very funny email title for this one, Tony. ( "Come back to the five and dime, LRH, LRH" ) Reminds me that  "Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean" was probably one of the last important films Karen Black ever did.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

And it was a damn good one, wasn't it? I don't know, been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember it being interesting.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Yes! Sandy Dennis is in this clip with the others telling them that Jimmy Dean IS coming back. Karen's character tells her " He died.. didn't you know?" but Dennis' character, well, she aint having none of that.... the rest is just as priceless.... Sound familiar? LOLhttp : // www . youtube . com /watch?v=d9pd7tnEdEA

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

AD 36?  After Dianetics?  Really?   

/eye roll

sketto
sketto

Do Scientologists ever actually put it together that they are waiting for The Second Coming? Only, instead of expecting a loving, bearded, moral preacher like Jesus they've prepared a nice office space for a cruel, money-hungry, creepy blowhard like Hubbard.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

Lots of messiahs seem to be tardy to the party  ..i think there are like 4 or 5 messiahs scheduled to come back before him so he is probably at the end of the line . I think a lot of people have a bone to pick with jesus so maybe that why he is staying away. I mean ..who wants to come back to a bunch questions ?? 

Surplusgirl
Surplusgirl

now that, made me laugh! Thanks Kim!

Yeppir
Yeppir

Whoops - edited (reposted elsewhere).

anon anon song
anon anon song

You'd think that as a last gesture of goodwill LRon would've orchestrated one final opportunity to prove his OT/(any) prowess to multiple witnesses by... I don't know, recording an "at cause" goodbye message for his followers. It's not like he could credibly claim that he was at a loss for words or too modest for not doing so. But no, once again (and unsurprisingly) all we have left is independent source reports contradicting what he and the Co$ claimed.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

The total lack of burden of proof or evidence and lack of actual scientific method used within this organization, which claims to be so based is science and pragmatism, will never cease to amaze me.

anon anon song
anon anon song

Yeah, my favorite:

Tom Cruise: "YOU don't know the history of psychiatry, I do"

*facepalm*

sketto
sketto

I've always loved this video of Miscavige because if you look closely, he is literally talking out of the side of his mouth. It is amazing how the body manifests tells - in this case, the tell that the speaker is a lying sack of shit.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I always thought dummy dave's mouth was crooked because of nerve damage, like the actor Sylvester Stallone. Stallone's "crooked mouth" comes from complications of forceps being used on him when he was being born, that resulted in paralysis of the lower left side of his face.

Maybe Micavige's mouth is a result of: 1. Forceps. 2. Birth defect. 3. He was dropped on his head at birth, or 4. All of the above?

MrElronious
MrElronious

knowing his personality, he was probably kicked in the face a few times. Thats why he droped out of high school.

sketto
sketto

But surely, his mad Scientology skillz would've fixed that, no? Didn't Hubbard create a Nerve Damage Rundown to fix that, just as he fixed Davey's asthma?

Which reminds me...when ol' LRH finally comes back again, Dave should ask him to create a Thetan Body-Stretching Rundown so he can grow a little and put an end to all of those Mini Me, Lollipop Guild, Smurf, Hobbit, and Napoleon jokes.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

YEA. And someone should tell the sea org, they don't really have to salute his faux Navy dog. Baaawaaahaaa!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

What's up with the faux military uniform? Miscaviage looks like a little toy soldier from "The Nutcracker." What a joke!

I hope LRH comes back and slaps the hell out of McSlappy.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

The faux Navy uniforms really are sad.  I mean, I know most religious orders have a get-up of some kind, to set themselves apart or make themselves feel special or different, or to establish heirarchy.  Like the Hare Krishnas shave their heads and wear robes, the Mormons have their "special" underwear that reminds them to be pure or whatever… and the Catholic pope and his bishops, well… I can't ever get over their obscenely lavish adornments whenever I see them.  But the whole fake Navy thing is just so weak.  Come on, you guys.  Too bad some sort of Sci-Fi themed outfit would be more mockable and keep new recruits away -- at least it would be more original.  Even the humble and unfortunate Heaven's Gate crew had more originality in the black track suits and Nikes.  I think if $cilons walked around LA in silver jump suits or some such, they might actually get more respect.  I know I would respect them more.  

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

That's true V. I forgot about the "special" underwear. LMBO

John P.
John P.

I like the idea of silver jump suits. Those would go well with the tinfoil hats they wear on formal occasions.  

sketto
sketto

Miscavige, just like Hubbard who he learned from, loves to play dress up and pretend he's a big boy sailor.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

It actually looks ridiculous, a religion pretending to be sailors is just plain silly. I mean, take for example, what if the Amish had a faux "Calvery," wouldn't that look stupid? lol

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I swear on Xenu, I am not a scilon even if I spell like one, lol

Thanks everyone for not flaming me for my atrocious spelling and grammar. ;-)

John P.
John P.

The Scientologists in Sea Org faux Navy uniforms look like the grown-up versions of the nerdy kids from the Audio/Visual team in junior high dressing up to play "Army."  Especially David Miscavige, who was always picked last for basketball, but he sure knew how to use a film splicer to save the day when the film in history class broke.  

Markfisher57
Markfisher57

I remember that day well.  I was DM's "personal assistant" at the Gold/Int Base and ran his office at that time.   DM and his wife Shelly had disappeared all of a sudden from the base a few days before the announcement.    This happened from time to time, so no reason for concern.   It was when the orders came down to get everyone at the base to Palladium in LA that it felt like something important was happening.   My wife, who had been a long time Messenger for LRH and grew up in the Sea Org, and I drove down to LA from the base near Hemet.    I remember the ominous tone of the music being played at the start of the event.  At that point I thought that maybe LRH had died.    When I saw DM on the stage and the announcement came, I was not surprised but I was surprised that the crowd was basically ordered from the podium not to show any grief when that is a perfectly human and natural thing to do.   Many of the people in the audience had personally worked with LRH on the Apollo and at the bases in the US.    When we drove home after the event, my wife and I were pretty much numb as to what happened.   We were happy to see Pat Broeker for the first time in years and wondered what would happen with him and his wife Annie who had been taking care of LRH.   My wife was friends with Annie.  It was shortly after this event that my job became gettting together a staff of people to move to the Ranch in Creston, California where LRH died in order to work on projects that were going to continue under Pat Broeker's direction.   The power struggle began almost immediately between DM and his supporters and Pat B and his supporters.   We all thought at the time that LRH would come back and I remember thinking that this would be the first real physical proof that spiritual beings live more than one life.   Afterall if LRH couldn't come back to life in a new body, how could any of us?    My viewpoint has since changed.   

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Despite the opinions of some, I would have preferred Pat and Annie Broeker and their supporters than what the church wound up with. I am a Broeker loyalist of sorts anyway but given the choice, I suspect many would agree.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

Wow, thanks for sharing your personal story.  That must have been such a weird time for everyone.

After all the things I've read, I still don't really understand how thousands and thousands of CoS followers, old and new, did then and continue now to accept DM's takeover and total control.

Marcabian nightmares
Marcabian nightmares

How will we know El Ron when he returns?

Strelnikov
Strelnikov

He'll wear a belt buckle with "SPACE PIMP" etched on it.

Guest
Guest

Look for a 24k gold plated DC-8 high up in the sky shitting down on all you squirrels.

grundoon
grundoon

He'll arrive in a stolen yacht with another man's wife and a pocketful of Navy disability checks.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

Yeah, I look forward to Tony's future features on this.  I haven't read anything else on the subject.  Do they have some kind of Dalai Lama test for the new person claiming to be the reincarnation?  I wonder how many people in the Co$ actually believe that he would or will come back.  I wonder if anyone really focuses on that so much at all.  I mean, when you think of Christians waiting over 2000 years for Jesus… the faithful seem able to wait forever.  At least from what I understand there's no Rapture / Apocalypse scenario in Co$, so we don't have to deal with $cilons trying to kill everyone or destroy Earth… just their delusions about controlling Earth (Teegeeack).

Surplusgirl
Surplusgirl

I wonder if the lack of Rapture/Doomsday rhetoric  is why CO$ is still in existence .  There is no set end, just eternally trying to help.  Demise is coming, sometime......soon..ish

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