Scientology Recon: Commenters of the Week!

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"Ready for your Super Power Rundown, Tom?"
And we thought it was going to be tough to follow Debbie Cook.

We're glad that we got those improvements to the underground bunker in place before the new year; we don't know if the old setup could have handled the hurricane-force enturbulation that hit with the coming of 2012. While we were still recovering from the Debbie Cook cyclone, this week's stories really took us by surprise.

After starting our week with another installment of Sunday Funnies, we unwrapped a big present for our loyal readers Monday morning: previously unpublished renderings and schematics of Scientology's "Flag Mecca" -- the Super Power Building.

On Tuesday, we gave you a second helping of the Super Power Building's odder elements, like the "oiliness table" and a "pain station."

Then, in the third part of our series, we revealed one part of the Super Power Rundown itself -- the actual auditing material that Scientologists will pay about $30,000 to experience.

Thursday morning, we decided it was time to publish some happy news about Scientology, so we reprinted the glowing testimonial of a church member named Michael Doven...

...and then late that night revealed that Doven had, in fact, spied on Tom Cruise for more than a decade, supplying information about the Cruise-Kidman household while Cruise spent about ten years mostly separated from the church. Wild!

And finally, yesterday morning we returned to our regular Friday morning feature, with another L. Ron Hubbard dispatch from the yacht Apollo.

Debbie Cook, The Super Power Building, and spying on Tom Cruise, all in a single week? This pace is brutal.

OK, so let's get on to the awards...

While we were going through schematics of the Super Power Building, we did a double take at a circular object in the center of a room on the second floor. We took a snapshot of the room in our big Monday leak of images, and we loved the reaction from Thetan-X...

TIME MACHINE !!! TIME MACHINE !!!!

The "perceptics" installations on the fifth floor were also very popular with readers, and several noted that the "smell wall" included some rather odd choices in its schematic. We liked this comment by Guest...

I, for one, definitely am going to sign up for the machine that helps me tell the difference between the smell of cheddar cheese and spaghetti bolognese. Two universal olfactory truths that need to be distinguished accurately, to become more inter-galactically spiritual.

And maybe our standards are slipping, but we couldn't help chuckling at this wisecrack by Brainslugged...

I know it's officially called a "taste wall", but if DM or Tom Cruise have anything to do with it, I'd feel very uncomfortable putting my mouth up against a hole in a wall waiting to see what came out.

On Tuesday, we provided some more views of the perceptics stations, and we enjoyed another good one from Guest...

My cat would love that Gravitic Room, with the upholstered scratching post and climbing wall!! For me, however, I can think of better ways to get my Gravitons on.

One of the schematics described the replica Apollo deck that will be outside the Commodore's office, including a replica lifeboat. Kate Bornstein helped us understand the irony of that memorial...

According to the schematic, the lifeboat has no motor, no propeller. The only boat that had those was assigned to the old man and his family. It was the only lifeboat that could actually be lowered, and float on the water. The rest of the boats were either rusted into their davits, or they sank as soon as they hit the water. We didn't have money or supplies to fix them. When I was First Mate, I did what every 1st Mate before me and after me did: I put requests into the weekly budgeting committee for funds to get the boats working. Monies were never approved. If it had ever come to needing those boats, forget the whole idea of women and children first. It was the old man and his family. Now that's a hell of a thing to memorialize in their museum.

On Wednesday, we published the Super Power Rundown itself, and readers seemed as surprised as we were that at least part of what likely costs tens of thousands of dollars boils down to a simple question -- "Where would you be safe?" -- being asked over and over again. We understood Mimi the Great's exasperation..

I can think of a million ways to blow 30k, and none of them include me being interrogated or asked the same question 100 times.

And Jgg made us chuckle with this classic response...

I have gotten more profound insight from Chinese fortune cookies.

But it was Larry Brennan who really killed...

Oh geeeez, thank God I have prepaid only $10,000 for this when it was first announced, as I doubt it will ever be released. Fortunately my bigger bucks of $33,000 was prepaid for OT IX! Oh wait... Shi-

Thursday night, we revealed the extent of Scientology's spying on Tom Cruise by his own church. But Synthia Fagen put things in perspective for us...

This kind of "spying" is common in Scientology. This type of thing happens even in the lives of ordinary parishioners. These people in this story are justifying it by coming from the point of view that whatever means used to make sure that Tom gets on and up the Bridge are the absolute best thing for him. Truth is, Tom might actually agree with that too. Privacy? Forget it!

Marc and Claire Headley figured in the story, so we included a photograph of them with their two young boys that we found on Marc's Facebook page. We enjoyed Tye Solaris's reaction...

By the way... just looking at the photo of the Headley Family...Now, that is an AUTHENTIC Success Story!

And Tye also singled out Claire for praise that we felt was amply deserved.

Claire showed through the whole article what 'Integrity' looks like... I bet most would have declared a "floating needle" ... buckling under the pressure to not make waves... well, Hell.. it's the Sea Org ... isn't it? Then the Pope steps in and counter-mandates the Holy Scriptures of God himself... Another "proof of bullshit" episode...


And now, something I promised earlier this week...

The most remarkable comment I received this week came by e-mail from Mark Miglio, in response to our post about the Super Power Building and the Super Power Rundown.

Our loyal readers are quite familiar with Miglio, a Scientologist who spoke up for the church in our comments section but then began e-mailing me his reactions to our stories.

Miglio's reaction to the Super Power Building post hit me especially hard. I feel for the guy, and I wonder whether he doesn't risk his position in the church by engaging us.

In his e-mail to me this week, he set out once again to convince me of the efficacy and rightness of Scientology. But I wonder if he really had any idea how this episode he describes comes off...

In 1976 I did a very simple process when I first got into NYC Scientology at 84th St.

The process only had one command (sort of like a question). It seemed so silly. The question was worded pretty much this way: "Give me a problem of a comparable magnitude." (a comparable level)

* * *

AUDITOR: Do you have a problem that is bothering you?

ME: My most major problem, I guess, would be that I really feel that the world, overall, and the overall condition of everything environmental, and the way ordinary people behave towards each other is so ugly to me, and so so depressing in so many ways. I really can't take it anymore---it depresses me. I can't live like this. Certainly not for the rest of my life---with all this societal hate, anger, fighting, war, cheating, lying, exploitation, drugs, poverty, and the general craziness, and meanness, and lack of respect---one person to another.

AUDITOR: Give me a problem of a comparable magnitude.

ME: I can't think of anything.

AUDITOR: (After looking at her e-meter) Give me a problem of a comparable magnitude.

ME: I really can't think of anything as bad as that. It bothers me everyday. I don't really have anything else that really bothers me. I lost my girlfriend, but that was probably for the best. My Dad is always doing what you Scientologists call, suppressing me. But that too is no big deal. He's a great man, who is just a little bit crazy. I still love him, I think he loves me, I guess.

AUDITOR: Mark, the meter is still reading. I will repeat the auditing command, "Give me a problem of a comparable magnitude."

ME: Well, the only thing I can think as similar would be if some crazy guy went around killing everybody, all the nice people.

AUDITOR: Thank you, your needle is floating.

* * *

This chatter when on for about three hours. Then for no apparent reason she thanked me for the session and brought it to a conclusion.

As I walked down the corridor to the "Examiner" in the "Qualifications Division" I noticed that my Auditor had a big smile on her face. I was wondering why, and I wondered why I had even done the process. I didn't see any benefit.

About an hour later I noticed something was different about the environment, my life, and my feelings. For about the next week nothing and no one had any negative effect of me to any slightest degree. I was "flying".

But I didn't, yet, have any new found ability or power (let's call that ability/power auditing) and I hadn't, as yet, any training on how to handle an SP. But boy, was that some first week in Scientology, and what an exciting introduction to Scientology "Life Repair" auditing processes.

K R C <> A R C

M A R K

I was left pretty speechless by this message from Miglio. Rather than piece together my own thoughts, I would greatly appreciate hearing yours.

What do you make of Miglio's experience?


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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SCIENTOLOGY IN THE VILLAGE VOICE

[All recent stories] | [What is Scientology?] | [Top 25 People Crippling Scientology]
[Commenters of the Week] | [Thursday 2pm Stats!] | [Scientology vs. South Park]
[This Week Aboard the Apollo] | [Sunday Funnies]

FEATURED INVESTIGATIONS

[Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis secretly recorded discussing "disconnection"]
[Benjamin Ring, LA deputy sheriff, wants you to spend your 401K on Scientology]
[Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?]
[Scientology hates clean ice: The "Fair Game" operation that should turn your stomach]
[Scientology hates clean ice, part 2: Another target, and the web as weapon]
[Paulette Cooper, Scientology's original and worst nightmare: a Thanksgiving tribute]

THE TOP 25 PEOPLE CRIPPLING SCIENTOLOGY

1. L. Ron Hubbard | 2. David Miscavige | 3. Marty Rathbun | 4. Tom Cruise | 5. Joe Childs and Tom Tobin | 6. Anonymous | 7. Mark Bunker | 8. Mike Rinder | 9. Jason Beghe | 10. Lisa McPherson | 11. Nick Xenophon | 12. Tommy Davis | 13. Janet Reitman | 14. Tory Christman | 15. Andreas Heldal-Lund | 16. Marc and Claire Headley | 17. Jefferson Hawkins | 18. Amy Scobee | 19. The Squirrel Busters | 20. Trey Parker and Matt Stone | 21. Kendrick Moxon | 22. Jamie DeWolf | 23. Ken Dandar | 24. Dave Touretzky | 25. Xenu

HELD ABOARD THE FREEWINDS: TALES OF THE SEA ORG

[Valeska Paris, held against her will from 1996 to 2007 on Scientology's cruise ship]
[Ramana Dienes-Browning, marriage at 16, sexual interrogation, life in the engine room]
[Melissa Paris, Valeska's sister: forced to marry at 16]

SCIENTOLOGY VS. SOUTH PARK: INVESTIGATION AS RETALIATION

[Scientology targeted South Park's Parker and Stone in an investigation]
[More documents in the South Park probe: instructions to send in a young mole]
[Scientology responds in typical fashion] | [Lloyd Kaufman confirms the probe]
[Mark Ebner also investigated after South Park involvement]
[Mark Chauppetta, private eye, explains what Scientology operatives look for]

MARTY RATHBUN AND THE SIEGE OF SOUTH TEXAS

[Scientology has Rathbun arrested] | [Rathbun and Mark Bunker reveal surprising ties]
In Germany with Ursula Caberta: [Announcing plans] | [Press conference] | [Making news about Tom Cruise, Bill Clinton, and Tony Blair] | [Post-trip interview]
The Squirrel Busters: [Goons with cameras on their heads] | [Rathbun's open letter to neighbors] | [Ingleside on the Bay, Texas rallies to Rathbun's cause] | [Squirrel Buster's claim to be making a "documentary"] | [VIDEO: "On a Boat"] | ["Anna" sent to creep out Monique Rathbun] | [Squirrel Busters go hillbilly] | [A videographer blows the whistle on the goon squad] | [Ed Bryan, OT VIII, shows the power of Scientology's highest levels]

SCIENTOLOGY SPYING AND "FAIR GAME"

[Secret Scientology documents spell out spying operation against Marc Headley]
[Scientology's West U.S. spies list revealed] | [Scientology's enemies list: Are you on it?]
Spy operation against Washington Post writer Richard Leiby: [Part 1] | [Part 2]
[A Scientology spy comes clean: Paulien Lombard's remarkable public confession]
[Scientology advertises for writers in Freedom magazine]
[Accidental leak shows Scientology spy wing plans to "handle" the Voice]
[Lori Hodgson and Disconnection: "No one's going to take my eternity away"]

SCIENTOLOGY AND CELEBRITIES

[Hey, Scientology Celebrity, Here's Your Media Training Checksheet!]
[Tom Cruise and X Factor's Stacy Francis singing together on the Freewinds]
[X Factor's Stacy Francis: Her first husband, Michael Sandlofer, answers abuse claims]
[Tom Cruise and Baby Suri embarrassed by news item, so someone must pay]
["Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [Tom Cruise likes coconut cake] | [Tom Cruise has a sense of humor] | ["Tom Cruise not a kook!"] | [Paulette Cooper on Tom Cruise]
[Paul Haggis, director of Crash, issues an ultimatum, leaves the church]
[Character actor Jason Beghe defects noisily] | [Actor Michael Fairman reveals his "suppressive person" declaration] | [Michael Fairman talks to the Voice]
[Giovanni Ribisi as David Koresh: Scientology-Branch Davidian link makes sense]
[Russell Brand weds ex-Scientologists in wild ceremony] | [Skip Press on Haggis]
[Placido Domingo Jr.: Scientology's retaliation is "scary and pathetic"]
Grant Cardone, NatGeo's "Turnaround King": [Doing Scientology's dirty work?] | [Milton Katselas complained about Cardone's smear job] | [Cardone runs to Huffpo]
[Philip Boyd, Saving Grace actor, rips "the business that is Scientology"]

JANET REITMAN'S INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY

[Our review of Inside Scientology] | [An interview with Janet Reitman] | [A report from Reitman's first book tour appearance] | [At the Half-King: Reitman not afraid]
[Scientology doesn't like Inside Scientology] | [Q&A at Washington Post]
[A roundup of Reitman's print reviews, and why isn't she on television more?]

HUGH URBAN'S THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

[A review of Urban's scholarly history of the church] | [An interview with Hugh Urban]

EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS SPEAK OUT

["The Money Machine": another blockbuster St. Pete Times investigation]
[Marc Headley: "Tom Cruise told me to talk to a bottle"] | [The Nancy Many interview]
[Sympathy for the Devil: Tory Christman's Story] | [Jeff Hawkins' Counterfeit Dreams]
[86 Million Thin Dimes: The Lawrence Wollersheim Saga] | [Mike Rinder on spying]

OVERSEAS NEWS

[Scientology in Israel: Arson, attempted murder, paranoia -- and a visit by the Voice!]
[Scientology dodges a bullet in Australia] | [Scientology exec Jan Eastgate arrested]
[All hell breaks loose in Israel] | [Scientology sees fundraising gold in the UK riots]
[Aussie former rugby pro Chris Guider calls David Miscavige "toxic" and "violent"]
[Stephen Cox, UK church newbie, pledges 20K pounds] | [Biggi Reichert: A German Lisa McPherson?] | [The Birmingham trove: 7,000 internal e-mails]
[Australian farmer blamed for giving Tom Cruise a bad shrimp, loses her friends, family]

ODD VIDEOS AND ODDER NEWS

[Scientology chillin' with hip hop!] | [The curious career of Scientology rapper Chill EB]
[Chill EB and me: the Voice interviews Scientology's in-house rapper]
[Scientology singalong, "We Stand Tall"] | [Captain Bill Robertson and "Galactic Patrol"]
[Scientology wins a major award!] | [Scientology wants your money: Meet Dede!]
[Birmingham in the House! The "Ideal" dance mix] | [Scientology and the Nation of Islam]
[When Scientology was hip] | [Sad: David Miscavige makes fun of his own fundraisers]
[Freedom magazine parodies The New Yorker. Hilarity ensues.]
[Scientology surf report: Anonymous parties outside the New York "org"]

THE VIEW INSIDE THE BUBBLE

[A scientologist's letter to the Voice and its readers] | [Scientology silent birth]
[Tad Reeves: Scientology might listen to this guy] | [More Tad Reeves and family]
[Scientology never forgets: A heartwarming telemarketing holiday miracle]
[Desperate Scientology fundraising caught on video]

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203 comments
betazors
betazors

Today, I spent a little time digging through old articles to get an idea of who this guy is. Poor thing isn't to bright, is he?

Dmitriy
Dmitriy

Зависть и ненависть-плохие помошники.

FOTF2012
FOTF2012

The "win" in this case was probably a "cognition" (basically, a sudden insight or new understanding). That cognition might have been something like "there is something of the same magnitude as my worst fears -- namely if all the good people got killed." By the time the "pc" (preclear) got "on the cans" (in an auditing sessIon), remember that he already knew the basic expectations -- that there would be a release of some sort (and an "F/N" or floating needle on the e-meter) and that release would typically be accompanied by some sort of cognition. 

The mental reframing of thinking that the pc had amounted to realizing that there were even worse things than his worst fears. And better yet for the auditing process, the pc would be thankful that all the good people were not getting killed. In fact, there he was with the "most ethical people in the world" (Scientology's description of itself) doing the "greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics" (dynamics are the eight major vectors of survival which simply puts the universe in a set of embedded concentric circles from self to infinity; the "greatest good ..." is a rather superficial take on the branch of ethics called consequentialism and can be found, as Hubbard alluded to, in the category of ethics called utilitarianism). 

So yes, the pc had a win. He had been stuck in despair and then realized that there were worse things. Thus his own despair seemed less. And he felt better. No different than being upset by news that you have say a benign tumor that needs surgery, and then realizing that, "hey, it could have been cancerous and incurable." Of course, this kind of analysis would be called evaluating the pc and would be forbidden by an auditor. The auditor simply accepts whatever if real for the pc. Thus if five pcs all remember being Hitler or Jesus, there's no contradiction -- it's just that as their recall gets better (as "charge" comes off in auditing) they will all remember things more accurately. "What's real for you is real for you" is Hubbard's wisdom, yet another borrowed stance (from gnosticism).  Of course non-evaluation only holds true as long as you are in good standing with the church and in agreement with the founder (and Miscavige). Once outside the fold, what is real for you is no longer validated.

UncleTom
UncleTom

Awww, how come no mention of the epic rap battle between Uncle Tom and Chill E B?

Chill E B got served at his own game and steadfastly refused to acknowledge his fail, then accused Tony Ortega of lying about it whilst claiming not to have read any of this column.

I has a sad.

Stat
Stat

Great conversation!

I wish there were more Scientologists like Mark Miglio, who are not afraid to engage in discussions in public places/forums like VV, despite of all the "entheta". Come on,if we are talking about clearing a planet, why not start with the Internet, because that's where most of the "planet" is on these days. I would love to see great number of Scientologists follow the steps of Mark, who appears to be very sincere (unlike most PR OSA volunteers, who sound like a broken record and by that dead agent themselves miserably).

Mark, the wins you had in Scientology are yours.

Your perception of you as a potential OT is also yours.

LRH gave you some new terminology, for things that only YOUcan define, not LRH or anyone else. Just my opinion, of course.

But think about it. You are a good man, Mark, I can tell.Stay in touch. Wish you well. 

touretzky
touretzky

Mark Miglio is not as brainwashed as people here are alleging. True believers refuse to even look at critical material about their group, much less argue with the critics. All Scientologists know that they are required to steer clear of entheta and leave the job of dealing with suppressives, such as our gracious host TonyO, to OSA.

The first step toward freedom is to acknowledge that there can be valid alternative points of view, and that one can assess their validity by examining evidence and engaging in reasoned argument. What brings someone to take this step, where before they were relying purely on faith and subjective belief? I think it happens when they are faced with discrepancies their faith cannot explain. For a Scientologist, these might be questions such as: Why does the most ethical group on the planet treat its staff so poorly? Why is my Org so empty when we're the world's fastest growing religion? Why are so many of the OTs I've met not enlightenend beings, but obnoxious jerks with health problems? Why don't any of us have the super powers we were promised? And so on.

Mark Miglio has made himself PTS (Potential Trouble Source) because he's in direct comm with SPs (Suppresive Persons): Tony Ortega and the denizens of this entheta-fest here at the Village Voice. He's where Tory Christman was 10 years ago, when she was single-handedly taking on the SPs on alt.religion.scientology and trying to suppress her own doubts. Look how much happier Tory is today. Heck, look how much happier Mike Rinder is today.

Mark is finding his own way to enlightenment. It's not an easy road for someone who's been in Scientology for decades. He still has a long way to go. But he is pointed in the right direction, and he can see others ahead of him who have walked this path. That should help.

Garry90069
Garry90069

I guess the 'Life Repair' auditing didn't work for Mark, when years later, he got his butt kicked from Int Base for dabbling in the occult.

What's up with that Mark? 

Lliira
Lliira

*gasp* Altering the tech!

Yeah, can't say I'm surprised. I wonder which version they put in the vaults.

Edit: this was supposed to be in reply to scnethics' comment about how 6 racist pages have been removed from LRH's "Fundamentals of Thought".

wheresshelly?
wheresshelly?

Hey, Tony, any word from Jason Lee about sitting down for that cordial discussion promised in the month of January.  The month's half over and we all know a Scientologist keeps his word. BTW, has anyone else noticed Jason's new gig? He's been cast to play Maya Rudolph's boyfriend in the show Up All Night. Does anyone else think it's odd that one of Hollywood's most prominent Scilons is suddenly working next to the wife of PT Anderson, the director currently working on the movie about Scientology. Does Scientology have a history of spying on people? I'm trying to remember if I've read any stories about that lately. Hmmm....

Lliira
Lliira

All the ideas people have here are excellent. Mine's pretty simple:

Talking to a disinterested person about how you feel helps. It's natural, psychologically speaking, to give a certain amount of authority to those disinterested counselor-types -- priests, psychiatrists, advisers, auditors, etc.. Nearly anyone would feel something of a "high" from getting approval from a counselor. This high is all the higher, and the dependency on the counselor all the greater, if your life has been horrible lately and you haven't been getting highs anywhere else. If the other authority figures in your life aren't supporting you, the support from this one can literally save your life.

It's a tool that can be used to help people or harm them. Most of the time, counselors have been trained to remain disinterested, to not get wrapped up in their client's life or benefit from their client's trust in them. But there are counselors who hurt people, in every field. I'm sure most auditors want to help people, but Scientology traps them. They cannot accept that Scientology might hurt someone. They aren't allowed to believe people who talk about being abused by Scientologists in authority. It's a sick system that inevitably hurts people, no matter how well-meaning individual auditors are.

xenu
xenu

  Here is what Mark Miglio can't do: he cannot identify concrete ways his life is better (higher income, better health, better marriage, etc.)  Still, he believes that it must be because the auditor told him so.

Jgg
Jgg

Tony, it is a classic case of 2 concepts from Carl Jung, the psych whom Hubbard stole many ideas: introversion and extroversion.  Basically, an introvert thinks and acts, and extrovert reacts.  Most people have both qualities in equal amounts, but you can be very introverted or extroverted.  There are disadvantages to being totally introverted, but they don't apply here.   Miglio is an example of the complete extrovert.  I know one who always joins pyramid schemes which fail (she has done this for over 20 years).  It works like this: someone comes to her with a "great opportunity."  She says her past ones failed; the recruiter replies "oh, yes, I know, I was in even more scams than you were, lost even more money, etc. but in this company I'm making tons of money, I'm so excited..."  When she encounters this person, she internalizes the other person's feelings and emotions--those feelings become hers, she is excited, joins, etc.  It doesn't matter that she was ripped off before, because she is a new person, reacting to the person she met.    Miglio is an example of the extrovert.  I know one who always joins pyramid schemes which fail (she has done this for over 20 years).  It works like this: someone comes to her with a "great opportunity."  She says her past ones failed; the recruiter replies "oh, yes, I know, I was in even more scams than you were, lost even more money, etc. but in this company I'm making tons of money, I'm so excited..."  When she encounters this person, she internalizes the other person's feelings and emotions--those feelings become hers, she is excited, joins, etc.  It doesn't matter that she was ripped off before, because she is a new person, reacting to the person she met. Miglio initially said nothing was comparable; the auditor said that was a lie; Miglio agreed with the auditor, internalizing his feelings, and became him, much as Tom Cruisebecame David Miscavige.  LRH knew how to exploit such people.

 

Fredric L. Rice
Fredric L. Rice

Miglio's experience is very common among cult followers, they get sold lunacy and they know it's a fraud but to try to convince themselves that they aren't being swindled they honestly reverse their mindset and convince themselves something positive and beneficial happened, something that make getting swindled worth the cost.

It's a phenomena that also works in the business world at so-called "group building exercises" where companies spend tens of thousands of dollars sending employees to a retreat where equally lunatic, equally unworkable, equally obviously fraudulent nonsense is committed on the employees where at the end they wind up hugging each other and crying and honestly thinking they learned something.

There is also a sexual component to Miglio's experience in that what he was subjected to was a dominance game where he was expected to be the Beta Male and to submit and comply to the crook's commands. After repeatedly refusing to obey the Alpha Male's commands and being punished each time, when finally Miglio complied and obeyed, he was rewarded with a "floating needle" and was no longer being subjected to orders.

Classic sexual dominance positioning.

It's the same with many of the Scientology crime syndicate's "Training Routines" or "TRs" as the crooks call them. Most of them are deliberate processes whereby the subject victim is forced to supplant his or her primate behaviors. An example is TR0 or "No Blink" where two people sit across from each other with knees barely not touching and they stare at each other.

If they make any expression, say anything, move even slightly the crook yells "FLUNK! Start over!" and the subjugation starts from the beginning.

This is a deliberate destruction of the subject victim's carnivore primate behavior. When carnivores stare at each other it is a fight-flight-eat-be-eaten behavior. The act of smiling when stared at is a primate dominance submissive reflex. The crime syndicate works to eliminate such innate behaviors so that their own obvious frauds and scams committed against the rubes, marks, and suckers who subject themselves to such felonious human rights abuses are made wholly compliant, wholly incapable of disobeying orders, completely unwilling to think for themselves.

TR1 and TR2 build in that destruction of customer's primate behaviors, eliminating all opposition to self thought. They're told to stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, take a step to the left, turn around, spot a spot on a wall, walk to the spot, put their finger on the spot, the crook ordering them around expects and demands fully and immediate compliance to his or her every order and the rube obeys.

So Miglio's email to you, Tony, was merely an admission that his brain has been turned in to pudding, he has virtually no volition of his own any more. He has accepted his role as Scientology's bitch -- literally since he caved to Scientology's dominance gaming, procedures specifically designed to turn Miglio in to an ATM machine for Miscavige's off shore bank accounts.

Jgg
Jgg

  Tony, it is a classic case of 2 concepts from Carl Jung, the psych whom Hubbard stole many ideas: introversion and extroversion. Basically, an introvert thinks and acts, and extrovert reacts.  Most people have both qualities in equal amounts, but you can be very introverted or extroverted.  There are disadvantages to being totally introverted, but they don't apply here.   Miglio is an example of the exploited extrovert.  I know one who always joins pyramid schemes which fail (she has done this for over 20 years).  It works like this: someone comes to her with a "great opportunity."  She says her past ones failed; the recruiter replies "oh, yes, I know, I was in even more scams than you were, lost even more money, etc. but in this company I'm making tons of money, I'm so excited..."  When she encounters this person, she internalizes the other person's feelings and emotions--those feelings become hers, she is excited, joins, etc.  It doesn't matter that she was ripped off before, because she is a new person, reacting to the person she met.  She trusts everyone.   Miglio initially said nothing was comparable; the auditor said that was a lie; Miglio agreed with the auditor, internalizing his feelings, and became him, much as Tom Cruisebecame David Miscavige. If the auditor were an honest, intelligent person worth listening to, the experience would have been beneficial, but, unfortunately, this was not the case.  Miglio initially said nothing was comparable; the auditor said that was a lie; Miglio agreed with the auditor, internalizing his feelings, and became him, much as Tom Cruise became David Miscavige.  What he should have done 1 hour later was ask a friend if he ever heard of Scientology.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

Lol !! Those quotes are awesome. I did actually laugh out loud. Thanks for taking one for the team (or for me) and reading Fundamentals of Thought and then posting your reflections. I was not feeling able to stomach going there myself, and so was hoping for some layman's interpretation. But that was so entertaining that now I might have to go check it out.

I see there does seem to be a tiny bit of cognitive therapy in there in terms of stopping negative thinking - such as if you cannot sleep at night because you are worried about how parts of the ocean are dying from losing oxygen, or if your inner monologue is "I'm worthless", a cognitive therapist will train you to stop those thoughts in their tracks - but then you have to replace that activity with positive thoughts or more importantly actions and behaviors that make a difference in your life, and you definitely have to connect all the dots.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

The things $cientologist say?!? o_O

Marks paranoid screed would give a psychiatric professional fodder for a whole series of books.

Mark, can I give you some friendly advice, if your father is suppressing you about $cientology? It's only because he "loves" you. I'm sure he's looked up $cientology on the internet, that in itself would alarm any concerned parent, srsly!

LlamaG
LlamaG

OK, I read the section of Dr. Hubbards "Fundamentals of Thought" (as recommended by danlocke in an earlier post), and now my brain hurts. It seems the question "describe a problem of a comparable magnitude" is used to get a preclear to stop thinking about the problem that is bothering them. 

I liked the section that describes a person with a crippled leg.  The auditor improves the situation by saying "invent a problem with a comparable magnitude to your leg." Or, curiously, "tell me a lie about your leg."  

Certainly a lot of inventing and lying is being requested! Perfect for the Sunday Sermons!

I got a chuckle out of this one: "asking a preclear to do exercises which concerned his mind alone can be entirely fatal."  (We're not just talking a little dead.)

And finally, I love that the book concludes with: "scientology came from nuclear physics, higher mathematics, and understanding of the ancients of the east."

Ruslov
Ruslov

No, he isn't. 

Sometimes you won't get any responses on posts a few days old, since Mr. Ortega posts almost daily.   If you find something interesting, I would suggest you post it on the latest post, since that will be where the attention is. 

John P.
John P.

Что вы сказали, это правда. Но люди могут ценить это больше, если бы вы написали на английском языке. 

danlocke
danlocke

I also hope that he returns. A good guy. 

danlocke
danlocke

I am not certain, but pretty sure that Mark was never at Int. Do you know him?

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Yeah, that makes sense. Jason Lee is probably OSA. Hope someone warns PT Anderson and his wife.

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Yes, I've been meaning to remind Jason. I'm hoping there's a quiet day next week when I can do a fun little post asking him to sit down and have a beer with me.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Nice post - trufax. Tom Cruise has become David Miscavige.

bobx
bobx

Thank you, your needle is floating.

anon anon song
anon anon song

"After repeatedly refusing to obey the Alpha Male's commands and being punished each time, when finally Miglio complied and obeyed, he was rewarded with a "floating needle" and was no longer being subjected to orders"

Actually, according to Mark's post, the auditor was a she. So let us rethink the sexual component of your post :)

BTW Tony, whoever inspired you for the Marathon Man reference pic for this blog is a genius, a GENIUS, I tell ya!!! :ppp

LlamaG
LlamaG

There is definitely a lot of "thought stopping" going on in the advice to auditors.  Hubbard talks a lot about how preclears might go blank or get hypnotized. He talks about spending "25 or 50 hours" with a particular exercise!! My mind would be stopped long before that. 

What Hubbard did know about hypnotism or talk therapy, is essentially inaccessible because he is such a terrible writer.  "Havingness" and "isness" are frail proxies for more substantive concepts.  I also find his obsession with playing "games" bizarre. 

Certainly no hint of spirituality in any of it.

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

This previous post was supposed to be in Reply to LlamaG - Disqus and my iPad are fighting.

Lliira
Lliira

Did you get to the part where he talks about "yellow" and "brown" people?

grundoon
grundoon

Hubbard was not a real doctor.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

"scientology came from nuclear physics, higher mathematics, and understanding of the ancients of the east."

BAHAHAHAHA!!! That is classic LRH-spew:  throw a shitload of impressive-sounding and mystical terms around, and the morons will buy it hook, line and sinker, and the money will keep rolling in. 

The only connection between Scientology and nuclear physics is the fictional H-bombs that were dropped on volcanoes to vaporize all those poor over-populated aliens (whose undoing apparently was the fact that they were reproducing like Tribbles) 75 million years ago. 

Ivy Mapother
Ivy Mapother

Jason won't be talking to you any time soon. The COS has sat him down and read him the rules of the road. His eternity has been threatened, keep his beer in the fridge so it doesn't get warm. If you're looking for a little space to fill, how about a short paragraph explaining each of the 57 perceptics. A sense of humor not being one of them, it still could be some good reading.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

My needle floats everytime I read the awesome comments in this blog...and when theres a juicy leak. B-)

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

On Wednesday's post, when I wrote about the "Bright Think Rundown" and its refrain -- "Where would you be safe?" -- asked over and over by an auditor, several commenters said they were all put in mind of Olivier in Marathon Man. So I thought I'd tip my hat to that in this post. I try to make these posts understandable by the general public, but it's also fun to wink at the insiders.

V for Vacaton
V for Vacaton

You are inspiring me to read more of LRH's writings.  If I become a Scilon, it's your fault!  ;D

scnethics
scnethics

This part has been removed from the new release of Fundamentals of Thought.  In fact, that entire chapter has been reduced from eight pages to about two.

bobx
bobx

But he played one on TV!

Proitpijgpoijrtpogijrotpji
Proitpijgpoijrtpogijrotpji

It's clearly printed in the book, it says he was a PhD. 

I know it was a fake degree, bought from a diploma mill, so lol :) He was a pathetic, evil joke of a person

scnethics
scnethics

Star Trek Episode number 44, Captain: "The Trouble with Tribbles"

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Oh, and free auditing for a month to anyone who recognizes the Tribble reference... ;-)

LlamaG
LlamaG

It should be noted that Dr.Hubbard said the cripple leg would be "cured" by this intervention, because it was psycho-somatic.  

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Or I could do the Huffpo-Buzzfeed-Cracked (dot) com thing, Top 10 Weirdest Senses of Perception According to L. Ron Hubbard.

I'll save that for a slow day. (I never seem to have slow days.)

TonyOrtega
TonyOrtega

Or I could do the Huffpo/Buzzfeed/Cracked.com thing: Top 10 Weirdest Senses of Perception According to L. Ron Hubbard

I'll save that for a slow day. (I never seem to have slow days.)

anon anon song
anon anon song

I either need to show my tits or do something drastic for TO to remember me. It was me who posted Wednesday's Marathon Man reference.

I was sarcastically geniusing my own post.:)

Alfie
Alfie

You can read it here:

http://www (dot) lermanet (dot) com/exit/manney/sfot_1956/sfot_pp18_19.jpg

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Cute, soft, furry, A-sexual Tribbles.

grundoon
grundoon

Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale?

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

i know i know i know !! the guy with $70 in his pocket and Jack Kerouac in his heart :) 

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