Scientology's Goons: Intimidating a 71-Year-Old Missouri Grandmother

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Edie Fields, declared an enemy of all that is good
On December 29, the Church of Scientology-Missouri's media relations officer, Ellen Maher-Forney, and another executive, Jill James, drove the 40 minutes it takes to go from the church on Delmar Boulevard in St. Louis to the home of Jim and Meshell Little in Saint Peters, Missouri.

When the two women began knocking at the Little home's front door, Meshell's daughter Heather, 17, called her mother, who was at work: "Mom, somebody's at the door." Meshell asked Heather to see if her grandmother, Meshell's mother, 71-year-old Edie Fields, could answer the persistent knocking.

As Edie opened the door, Heather, who was hanging back behind her, could see who was on their porch.

"It's Ellen and Jill!" she told her mother, who she still had on the line.

Meshell and Heather tell me what the two women from Scientology then told Edie: "You've been declared. We need you to sign this paper that says you've been declared."

Meshell tried to make me understand what those words meant to Edie, a woman who had given decades of her life to Scientology. It was as if your church, or some other organization that is important to you, had sent representatives to tell you that you are now considered beneath contempt, a nonperson, an evil entity. And they do this while presenting you with a three-page list of your shortcomings and evil deeds.

And they won't leave until you sign it.

This is Scientology.

What the women from the church wanted Edie Fields to read and sign was a three page document that declared her a "suppressive person" or "SP," an enemy of the church, and someone no person who wanted to remain in good standing with Scientology could associate with in any way. [Unfamiliar with L. Ron Hubbard and his creation? Read our primer, "What is Scientology?"]

Meshell and Jim Little, and their daughter Heather, had all been declared suppressive persons earlier -- but in a document that filled only a single page, Meshell points out. For some reason, her mother's "crimes" filled multiple pages.

"My mom couldn't read it. She's very tender," Meshell told me by telephone from her home in Saint Peters. "She did sign a paper saying that she had been informed of the declare."

The women from the church left after Edie signed that document, and did not give her a copy of it or of the three-page SP declare. She was now officially a pariah of Scientology.

"She was very upset. She was on staff for 10 years. All of our friends for the last 20 years have been only Scientologists. She's already affected by that. And she's upset that her eye doctor won't see her anymore, who was a close personal friend of ours," Meshell says, adding that the physician is a Scientologist and so, per church policy, he refuses to have anything to do with Edie now that she's a declared SP.

The Littles, and Edie Fields, stopped going to Scientology's "org" and paying for services about a year ago. But they were surprised that the church took the time to pay that visit to their home.

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Ellen Maher-Forney, from the org's website
I called the org last week twice and left a message for Maher-Forney, who is listed as the church's media relations officer on its website. She didn't get back to me.

That's a shame. I was hoping to ask her why the org didn't just mail Edie a letter saying that she was no longer welcome at the church. Or maybe a phone call would have been sufficient. Why did it require two women driving across town to shove a list of damning allegations in her face?

Maher-Forney didn't give me the chance to ask that question. But I spent a few hours with the Littles, asking about their history as longtime, dedicated Scientologists who suffered grave doubts about the church and its leadership -- as is happening to so many veteran church members in recent years. Maybe somewhere in that history, we could figure out on our own why Scientology felt compelled to intimidate a 71-year-old Missouri grandmother.


Self Help at the Mall

It all started at a Waldenbooks in a Fort Smith, Arkansas mall. It was November of 1988, and Meshell was 26 years old. A friend of hers was going through a difficult time, and Meshell decided to look through the self-help section of the bookstore to see what she could find. That's when she spotted L. Ron Hubbard's book, Dianetics.

"I studied that book like you wouldn't believe," she says.

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Meshell Little
She was married and had a 1-year-old named Travis. But after reading Dianetics, she encouraged her troubled friend to get into the book, and she also roped in her mother, Edie. Before too long, Edie and her friend were passionate members at Scientology's St. Louis org several hours away, and Meshell had divorced her first husband because he wasn't interested in also becoming a Scientologist. (Her mother even briefly joined the Sea Org, the hardcore elite of Scientology workers who sign billion-year contracts and agree to come back and serve the church lifetime after lifetime.)

Meshell replaced her first husband right away with another man, Danny Powers, who was also interested in Scientology. In 1991, they had a son they named Jeremy.

"Danny and I both joined staff. My mom was going to raise Jeremy," she says to illustrate just how into their new religion they had become.

Meshell was on staff from 1990 to 1995, rising to the level of "Flag Banking Officer."

"By that time I was untouchable. I was in upper level finance. Nobody in the local
org could tell me what to do," she says. But she admits that she clashed with the local executive director. "She was unpredictable. I couldn't take her anymore." So Meshell went off staff after completing her contract, but still remained a committed Scientologist.

Heather had been born in 1994, and now Meshell and Danny had two children to raise and lots of Scientology to pay for.

"We paid for a lot of auditing. We paid a lot for him to audit, trying to repair the marriage. We paid for auditing for me. We paid for auditing for Travis," her son from her previous marriage. "It was a lot of money, a lot of credit card debt."

But after leaving staff, Meshell says she had considerable success with a business she started, selling tax strategy materials, with some Scientologists as clients. "We were educating people about the tax system, showing them how to set up a trust, for example. It was making a lot of money," she says. "But then the church told us to stop doing it. They told me it was illegal, what we were doing, which wasn't true."

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Jim Little
The business tanked, and Meshell says she ended up in bankruptcy. By 1999, she was back in Arkansas. Only a year later, she and Danny had rebounded and returned to St. Louis. By 2004, however, their marriage was over.

Meshell says that Danny had never really embraced Scientology the way she wanted him to.

"I've lost two husbands because of this stupid religion," she says now.

She immediately found another man, and she hoped that Jim Little would be the Scientologist husband she had really wanted. He seemed to be.

"We were so dedicated that we got married on May 9, the anniversary date of Dianetics," Jim says.

They were both enthusiastic, longtime members of the church, but each was beginning to have some doubts.



Scientology and Kids

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Travis and his bride
In 2003, Meshell's first son, Travis, had a tough choice to make. Either marry his Scientologist girlfriend, or never see her again. In a lengthy post at a blog she writes, Meshell explains that Scientology officials tried to keep Travis, who was then 15, from his 18-year-old girlfriend, saying that their relationship was "illegal" and something that could bring the church bad publicity. As Meshell explains, it was a church official from California who insisted that the teenagers couldn't see each other because of Travis's age, not understanding that in Missouri, there was nothing illegal about it. As the young couple continued to experience interference, Meshell writes, "All this led up to Travis just deciding to get married and stop the bullshit." (Travis and his wife, whose identity Meshell prefers to keep unnamed, had a child before divorcing in 2005.)

But 2003 was memorable not only because of the commitment that 15-year-old Travis made.

It was also the year that Scientology came for Meshell's 12-year-old son, Jeremy.

As we've written before, young teenagers who grow up in Scientology can be put under intense pressure to join Scientology's elite corps, the Sea Organization.

Meshell admits that at the time, she actually thought signing a billion-year contract might actually be good for her son.

"I thought he could learn some ethics," she says. But both of Jeremy's stints in the Sea Org -- at the age of 12 in Clearwater, Florida, and again at 15 in Los Angeles -- ended badly, Meshell says. He ended up back home, and his connection to the church had become tenuous.

His sister Heather, meanwhile, had her own disastrous recruitment to the Sea Org, which began when she was only 13. This time, Meshell says she was determined not to give in to recruiters. She told her daughter that at 18, she could do what she wanted, but there was no way she was giving her permission to let Heather join so young. As time went on, however, Heather and Sea Org recruiters kept working on Meshell.

"I got a call from an ethics officer in LA. I was being worn down. This guy was 23 or 24, and he was telling me that Heather wasn't really my kid. We're thetans, and this is just the role we're in in this lifetime," Meshell says, referring to Scientology's belief that we are ancient spirits -- thetans -- who have lived countless times over millions of years. "Why am I trying to stop Scientology, he asked me. Heather wants to do something that was the most ethical thing on the planet, and I was saying no."

Meshell says at one point she admitted to the ethics officer that she was still getting child support for Heather from her previous husband, and it would stop if Heather moved away. "He started screaming at me, 'We're going to investigate you and find out your crimes, because you're trying to stop Scientology from expanding.' Jim screamed back at him, and we hung up the phone.

"They were ripping at me with their threats. I knew I had to let her go. And I did let her go," Meshell says.

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Heather Powers
Heather was 14. She went to Clearwater, Florida to join the Sea Org. But she found it a nightmare almost immediately when she was put up in an almost deserted hotel undergoing renovation.

"Within the first month she realized she didn't want to do it. She came back," Meshell says.

Meshell and Jim say their experiences with the children deeply affected them, and they began to wonder if some of the criticism they knew existed about the church might actually be true.

They watched Anderson Cooper's CNN story of allegations that had first been published in the St. Petersburg Times -- that a slew of high-level executives were leaving the church, claiming that church leader David Miscavige was a violent, unpredictable dictator. As they began to look around the Internet, they found more and more information that shocked them, their doubts now taking deep root. So, in 2010, they decided to leave the church. and her mother decided to go too.

"I have to tell you, this is not easy to go through. It infuriates me so much," Meshell says about having her faith in Scientology deteriorate. "We gave up more than years. I was on Medicaid, I was on food stamps, just so I could work 60 hours a week for them and be screamed at."

But it all seemed to be going nowhere. Scientologists are indoctrinated with the notion that L. Ron Hubbard's ideas are spreading like wildfire around the globe, and that their current hardships will be worth it as they "clear the planet" and salvage mankind. But over the years, Meshell and Jim gradually realized that these were just methods to get more sacrifice out of them, more money out of their bank accounts.

"The St. Louis org, I have a lot of history with it," Meshell says. The staff there never grew beyond 45 or 50. "I've never seen it go over that in 20 years. They're not growing."

In their last year, Jim and Meshell noticed that foot traffic, of people simply coming into the org because they were curious, had actually gone up.

"They walk in but they walk out," Jim says.

"They never come back. We think the Internet has caused a big change. After coming to the org, they're going home and doing a Google search," Meshell says.

Jim then describes things in St. Louis which sound remarkably like what Debbie Cook outlined in her infamous New Year's Eve e-mail calling for a rebellion of sorts in the ranks of the church.

"[Church leader] David Miscavige says we need to have a new building, and you local
people are paying for it," Jim says. "There was a big drive for money in 2006 and 2007. We have to get the building in 2007."

The new St. Louis "Ideal Org" was purchased -- a historic building near Lafayette Square. "In that five years they managed to put a new roof on it, they renovated an entryway and a main auditorium. The rest of that building, nothing has been done with it."

That seems to echo what happened with a building slated to be an "Ideal Org" in Orange County, California, which was described in a four-part November expose in the St. Petersburg Times, and then a follow up report by ex-church member Luis Garcia at Marty Rathbun's blog. Garcia describes a similar tale of constant fundraising for a building that never seems closer to completion -- when the existing org isn't even full.

"They're squeezing blood out of turnips, so people don't have any money anymore
for courses," Jim says.

Heather, who had been working on staff at the St. Louis org, was also exhausted and fed up with the conditions at the church.

At only 14 and 15 years old, she had been working 40-hour weeks for about $50 to $80 a week. Much of her time was spent xeroxing 70-page transcripts of L. Ron Hubbard lectures for dozens of staff members -- a task that took her several hours and seemed to be doing no one any good (they were already listening to the lectures).

Meshell, her husband Jim, her mother Edie, and her daugher Heather were all ready to get away from the constant fundraising and broken promises that they had experienced in Scientology. The entire family was breaking away -- with one important exception.

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Jeremy Powers
Jeremy, who had had such a checkered career in the church, was now actually increasing his involvement.

Why? His family says it wasn't for any spiritual reason, but because Jeremy had fallen in love -- and with the daughter of a church executive.

"If that hadn't happened, I really believe he would have left with us," Meshell says.

Instead, as the Littles were declared suppressive persons for leaving the church, Jeremy, as a member of Scientology in good standing, would have been asked to "disconnect" from them -- even though they were his own family.

Today, everyone in the family has lost contact with 20-year-old Jeremy -- including his older brother Travis, who is no longer in the church. Meshell doesn't even have a phone number for her son, who refuses to have any contact with her.

As we've pointed out previously, Scientology officials have denied publicly that there is a policy of "disconnection," but their actions speak differently.

"They are saying there's no disconnection. But if Jeremy didn't disconnect from us
he'd lose his girlfriend, his car, his place to stay, and the job he had at the time," Meshell says.

Frustrated that she can't talk to or see her son, Meshell started a blog that is written for him. Her daughter Heather was in a frightening car accident recently (she escaped unharmed), and Meshell has no other way to let Jeremy know about it than to write it up in the blog, hoping he sees it. She's let him know that they moved to a new house, and also made sure he knew about his grandmother getting her SP declare. Meshell also writes about Scientology's controversies, like the recent Debbie Cook news, hoping that it makes him question their forced separation.

In one memorable post, she admitted that she hated him for cutting her out of his life.
"You're a complete jack-ass to treat me like this when I have NEVER done anything wrong to you or to anyone you love," she wrote to her own son.

"I hated him that day. I'm not deleting it because that's the way I felt," she tells me.

But does he read the blog?

"I don't know," she says. "I sent some boxes of Christmas presents over there. There was a card with a picture of me. it said 'I love you, Jeremy,' and I also wrote the address to the blog."

It dawned on me that perhaps the church is getting shitty with Meshell's mother as a way to tell the Littles to back off -- the church has their son, and they will continue to enforce disconnection.

Heather agreed with me immediately, and Meshell and Jim had to admit that it made sense.

For now, we just don't know.

"All I want is for Jeremy not to be dictated to about whether he can talk to us or not. He can be a Scientologist if he wants. I don't care. I just want my son back," she says, the emotion obvious in her voice.

"It's wrong that they're telling him that he can't have Scientology if he talks to his mother and grandmother and his sister."



Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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ClamOnAHalfshell
ClamOnAHalfshell

This is sad. Jeremy was raised with $cientology, it's probably all he knows. I hope someday he finds the courage to blow.

Blinking Susan
Blinking Susan

Wow. $cientology sucks even harder. Thanks, Tony-O.

Penny
Penny

I have to ask, and I am asking in a very caring way, but are these people who have fallen out of favor, have they been brainwashed to think that law enforcement isn't on their side?  I would think that if someone showed up on my porch and wouldn't leave I would give them a warning and then call 911 and have the police come and usher them away with the order to not come back or face jail time.  I realize there is more to this than being this simplistic; however it makes sense that if a child is under the age of legal consent, and with grand parent laws in this country that family members would also be able to seek some sort of legal assistance when it comes to seeing their offspring.  Yes, they may not win, but bad publicity and making law enforcement, along with legislators, and the attorney generals office of each state aware of what's going on might go a long way to stop or rein in some of the abuses of power that overstep what is considered a church in this country.  We don't allow others who come here from other countries to abuse their children or murder them as in the Arizona case some years back, even though the accused considers it a cultural and/or religious right  There is a point where churches can overstep bounds and laws; and then it becomes criminal actions.  This WILL be brought to light when and if it gets enough bad press; is their a support group for former members of Scientology, where they might be able to come together and form support groups, and possibly start a class action lawsuit against Scientology no only to recoup money but force visitation with family members; even if they did sign paperwork, with threat of not being able to see family members the signatures are being forced out of duress.  I think this would be a great start to get Scientology under control; it might mean putting off seeing one's children but sticking with this will eventually bring out a resolution of visitation rights the church of Scientology has to honor or face punishment.  In addition getting Scientology ON the radar might bring about government investigations when it comes to their financial handlings.

The Oracle
The Oracle

Thanks for the update on the Church's "community service" endeavors this week!

Ex Messenger
Ex Messenger

This is all to common with Scientology. Best wishes go out to the Little family. I Know first hand what this is like and I KNOW that Disconnection is alive and well in Scientology.

My family disconnected from me after I left the Sea Org. They had gotten me into Scientology when I was preteen and signed me up for the Sea Org (under protest) when I was 14.

I can only hope that jeremy will see that forcing a person to make a choice between family and religion is not OKAY.

I have endured disconnection for more then a decade and it does not get easy. The effect on the extended family is devastating.

Nexi Bello
Nexi Bello

Dear Meshell,First of all: I'm glad you and your family found the strength to leave and hope that your son will follow soon!

And: Thank you for providing so much insight!

I'd like to stick to this topic (welfare...) a bit more:You wrote further up: "...We were given food stamps to help feed my children and the medicaid to have a baby....we earned below the poverty level ..." Do Scientologists on staff speak about this, openly or secretly? Do they ask each other in order to find out how the others are coping with this situation? Could/did you ask the supervisor or is there a contact point within Scientology that could be asked for advice? Do they tell you (openly or by dropping hints, insinuations etc.) to apply for food stamps, medicaid etc.? and how do they justify that need. Why didn't Scientology provide for food and medical treatment? Is this only for Sea Org staff and not for other staff ? (.... Scientology likes to compare Sea Org staff to monks living in a cloister, incl. food and bed, medical treatment etc. (etc.?), which is why they are not getting paid and work 24/7)?Or is this considered a problem that has nothing to do with Scientology, one of these "you pulled it in"-matters?How did you justify this situation for yourself then, to have to rely on money coming from the "wog-world"? With a hug,Nexibello

KER
KER

Nothing more scrares Scientology than the truth. When it's closing in it panics and the grip on it's "parishioners" slips.

Strelnikov
Strelnikov

I don't have much to write on this issue except that I've heard of similar stories - families have been broken up by this so-called religion, it's a tragedy. Disconnection is a shit policy and needs to go away.

Meshell Little
Meshell Little

High Five miles!  Jill James is a robot with ZERO emotion and does everything Matt Hanses tells her to do.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

For "pro Hubbardites" there's always a Hubbard policy that COULD someday resolve all these tens of thousands of excommunications.

It's the Hubbard policy principles, two principles, in the current edition of the "Introduction to Scientology Ethics Book."

The first principle violated is NOT taking into consideration the value of the person, even if found guilty of the charges (in this case the various "SP acts" that these people being excommunicated are guilty of).    The value of almost ALL of these people in this article, has NOT been given adequate weight.   That is technically "off policy".

The second principle in the "Introduction to Scientology Ethics Book" is the policy option to overturn ANY off policy justice procedure/action.   A Board of Review can and MUST overturn justice actions (and excommunication is the most severe Scientology justice action they dish out) which are "off policy."   These excommunications are "off policy" for the reason of not taking into consideration the value of the persons being excommunicated.

A good deal of Hubbard's loophole policies and comments have never gotten traction, although I've long argued, that were some saner leaders to figure their way out of this mess, they'll need to use Hubbard's loophole and broader principles, to counter these negative policies like their excommunication practice.

For instance, Hubbard wrote the "ARC Triangle" and that principle alone could resolve and reverse these decades of vicious excommunication.

The Hubbard booklet "The Way to Happiness", 1980, also if used as "senior policy" could resolve and overturn as "off policy" these last 4 decades of vicious excommunications.

The Scientology movement is incapable of thinking with its most senior basic fundamental principles, partly due to Hubbard's own misuse and overuse of excommunication himself.   Little did he realize this snowball effect that his successor David Miscavige would perpetuate. 

Sane leaders, who can stand up to and get back to real basics, the "ARC Triangle", "The Way to Happiness", are Scientology's hope for ever changing its sickeningly bad reputation.  

mirele
mirele

Remember, remember, Scientology denies that it has a policy of disconnection. As Tony Ortega has proven over and over and over again in recent months, that denial is pure bullshit. Today's story is yet another example of the lie!

Guest
Guest

There are no longer any shadows within which to operate.  Hubbard, with his limited intellect, never foresaw that. 

The sanitizing light of transparency. Amen.

Sergio
Sergio

People have asked about Hubbard's racist comments.  They can be read at this link:

http://www (dot) lermanet (dot) com/exit/manney/sfot_1956/sfot_pp18_19.jpg 

Lliira
Lliira

From what I've seen, I think loving someone who's trapped by a cult is like loving someone who's an addict. You can't control how or when or why they'll get out -- it's up to them. All you can do is be there for them when they're ready to face the truth.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

I believe the St Louis Org staff need to hear about what their covert ops staff are doing. People who are willing should call and complain 314-727-3747. Even if the message only gets told to their receptionist, the rest of the staff will have to handle that person or will hear about it.

P.S. They are open at night ;)

Jim Little
Jim Little

I want to thank everyone of you for your support, and I even want to thank Marcotai for their comments as well. Their comments truly show how insane the members of this cult corporation really are.

I would also like to say hi to Ellen Maher-Forney, the DSA at the local cult here in St. Louis and all the other brainless OSA agents that troll this site.

Miles Biondo
Miles Biondo

Great post, Mighty K. of T. 

Personally, I've been taking it upon myself to find these little bullies on Facebook and give them a piece of my mind. Maher-Forney's page was closed to comments and private messages, but I sent the following message to Jill James - 

"Congratulations. It takes a real dirtbag to terrorize a 71-year-old woman. You and your filthy criminal organization should be ashamed of yourselves. You have been brainwashed. There is no "bridge". There are no "OTs". Wake up, you idiot, and get away from $cientology. They have turned you into a horrible excuse for a human being."

I know these evil, brainwashed cultists are used to operating in the shadows, and I like to let them know that the world is on to them, and if they pull this shit again, we will hear about it. 

Jefferson Hawkins
Jefferson Hawkins

Just a word about the OSA sockpuppets who post here and onother forums. Realize that these are not real people, they are syntheticpeople. They are, in a very real sense, puppets. Sure, there are real peoplewho write these things under pseudonyms, and those real people have actualnames and personalities. In fact, if you met them socially you’d probably havea nice conversation and find them pleasant. You might even like them. I’ve hadmany pleasant talks, for instance, with Gloria Idda, one of the people taskedwith monitoring these forums and “handling” them. She’s a nice lady, good senseof humor. She loves her daughter (and here’s a key difference: I can say nicethings about them, but they could never say nice, or even charitable, thingsabout me or any “enemy”). But Gloria Idda is not allowed to be Gloria Idda onthese forums, or to converse normally or give her actual opinions. She has tobecome this fake, unpleasant, combative persona with pat, Church-approvedstatements.

The burnout rate on these people is high. Because of thenature of their position, they have to actually read the articles and read thecomments, something ordinary Scientologists are forbidden from doing. And sothe cognitive dissonance builds up and up. Their own questions and doubts buildup and up – naturally. Hubbard tried to handle this by insisting that anyone on“external lines” (as it is called) be audited at least once a week to handleany doubts or other “lower conditions” they might get into. But even so, theyeventually burn out, and either get assigned to another position or sent to theRPF – or they blow. And someone else takes over running the sockpuppet – maybe withouteven changing the name. And if they do blow and end up on the outside anddecide to tell what they know – well, they just become another “enemy," another "lying apostate.”And so it goes.

These people really have very little information about whatgoes on above their pay grade. They don’t know how the money is handled. Theydon’t know what goes on at the highest levels of the Church. They are told todeny everything and they deny everything. They are told to attack thewhistleblowers and so they attack. What do they really think? What does GloriaIdda really think? Who knows? But I guarantee you, they know, in their heart ofhearts, that something is wrong with their church.

So argue with the sockpuppet all you want. But remember,that is what you are doing. Arguing with a puppet. And that’s kind of silly.Because they put that puppet there for you to argue with, and, they hope, derailand confuse the conversation and veer it off-topic.

The best thing to do is keep talking, keep exposing what youknow, keep blowing the whistle. Because that’s how you eventually get throughto that person behind the puppet.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

This story is one of the most heart wrenching I have heard since I have left. The Little's and I left at the same time and so we have gotten to know each other. They are the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

I believe that the church is involved, here, in a true full-blown HATE crime that should be reported as such to the authorities. It is also elder abuse.

What could they possibly have wanted to accomplish other than to crush an elder woman who worked for them for 10 years! Disgusting.

An SP Declare is stupid but, from the cults point of view it is meant to get people to steer clear of the evil person who might try to get them off the Bridge to Total Freedom. Gasp. It's more to be used to warn others as they no longer care about the SP and see that person as "Fair-Game"

So, why did they go the extra mile to actually bring this ream of lies and try to get a signature from an 71 year old woman to show that she now attests to have read about how evil she really is? How much hatred can one get? Does this not make any of the people ordered to do this question the sanity of such an activity?

This is simply vicious. What must the Compliance Report for this program target look like?

1. Make sure SP Declare is read and understood by SP

2. Show photograph of SP's devastation, crying, caving-in, etc.

3. Get SP to agree, by signature, that SP is evil.

4. Report back to implant station.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

From an esoteric perspective, Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard is left-hand-path.

http://carolineletkeman (DOT) org (FORWARD SLASH) sp (FORWARD SLASH) index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1364&Itemid=92

The left-hand-path is the path of separation, so left-hand-path groups alwaysengage in seperation tactics, and also the dehumanizing of individuals.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

From an esoteric perspective, Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard was left-hand-path.

http://carolineletkeman.org/sp...

The left-hand-path is the path of separation, so left-hand-path groups always engage in separation tactics, and the constant dehumanizing of individuals.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

What you sow, you shall reap. The wheel turns for everyone, it's called karma.

Anna Johnstone
Anna Johnstone

Of course we must remember that Hubbard was a (really bad) sci-fi writer. His whole Xenu crap sounds just like an old episode of 'flash gordon', just less convincing.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

Lliira said: "From what I've seen, I think loving someone who's trapped by a cult is like loving someone who's an addict."

That's exactly right. This video makes the same comparison:

http://video (dot) google (dot) com (forward slash) videoplay?docid=537804672432953715

Veritas
Veritas

This is similar to how people with addictions explain why they "do what they do", to escape feeling/a  void feeling. They convince themselves (buying into this belief system) that they will not be able to experience this same "sensation" or lack thereof unless they keep on getting their fix.  You believe it, you manifest it

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Thank you Jim, Meshell, Edie and Heather. I think it is very brave to come forward and admit your difficulties with the cult.

It takes a lot of nerve to bring it out in the open and say “I am not playing this game anymore. It is a hard struggle when it involves family and the cruel policy of $cientology's disconnection, but then again when will it stop if someone doesn’t just say “no more.”

Good Luck, my thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

Thanks right back atcha Jim & Meshell. The more who speak up, the harder it gets for the organization to deny the real truth.

/SALUTE

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Thank you Jeff, if anybody knows about them, it's you. I have nothing but the utmost respect for you, so I will heed your advice.

Marcotai
Marcotai

Jeff, the master of puppets. 

Marcotai
Marcotai

Do you mean that a 71 years old lady can't sign a piece of paper?And to make her sign it is evil? LOL

Lliira
Lliira

There's also a similar lack of responsibility. And someone can stop drinking (for example), but if they don't change how they relate to people, admit that what they did was wrong, that they hurt people, and that those people don't owe them forgiveness, they're just dry drunks. 

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

Jeff said: "So argue with the sockpuppet all you want. But remember,that is what you are doing. Arguing with a puppet. And that’s kind of silly.Because they put that puppet there for you to argue with, and, they hope, derailand confuse the conversation and veer it off-topic."

They use the "Twenty-five ways to suppress truth: The rules of disinformation":

http://www (dot) whale (dot) to (forward slash) m (forward slash) disin (dot) html

The "Extremist Traits by Laird Wilcox" are also spot on:

http://www (dot) lairdwilcox (dot) com (forward slash) news (forward slash) hoaxerproject (dot) html

Thetan-X
Thetan-X

Marcotai,  the epitome of smelly socks !!

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

Please post your home address, so we can stand at your door for hours, harass you and force you to sign papers.

Better still, just fuck off.

Jorge
Jorge

Marcotai,

I used to respect you (it was very hard to do it).  Until you posted this. 

You are now not just "stupid" in a cute way.   You are just evil. 

Or, a troll. 

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

Yes, it's another form of mind control. Not only do they want the person to read the diatribe of lies but to then, also, put their signature to it as some sort of tacit agreement to the charges. Disgusting.

Thanks for asking the question that allowed me to more accurately articulate what I meant originally.

You can drop your "LOLs" because the subject isn't funny. When you use that all the time it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously. Thanks.

Veritas
Veritas

Exactly, no responsibility for their actions.  And the hipocracy of Scilons defending their actions by claiming it's for the good of humanity.  Uh, clean up your own mess first.

Adam
Adam

I am going to pray for you my friend.  That someday you become a christian, and you do learn to love those who oppose you and seek to understand where they are coming from, instead of trying to destroy them.

It will free you from your own depravity.

With Love, (and I do mean that)

Capri
Capri

Marco You get hit with rocks, and toss back popcorn.  Get what you give? TO's LOLs have a certain logic.  But yours is out-of-context giggling. 

Guest
Guest

Like the Mecca of Oiliness!!!!

 

Lliira
Lliira

And we know everything from "the East" is the same. Buddhism, Taoism, martial arts -- they're all one big "oriental" mush. It's not like "yellow people", as L. Ron Hubbard called them, have different beliefs, cultures, religions, nations, or anything.

WOLFNSHEEPSKIN
WOLFNSHEEPSKIN

I really tried to follow what you wrote.    I have 2 reactions:

1)   I can't let you blow me.   I am in a loving relationship.   

2)   The martial arts that I have been exposed to are deeply rooted and respected in many cultures because they work.   Yes, evolved to fight - and PROVEN effective.   If Scientology was good for this planet we would have embraced it decades ago.

Marcotai
Marcotai

Because on this planet we have what it takes. 

Marcotai
Marcotai

Maybe you can picture this: "the best defense is to attack".In other words, if you are keeping  to attack me, ...Well soon or later you will get a blow.Surely enough, i will not going to always give you my cheek and exchange it with the other cheekWhat you think martial arts are coming from?  

WOLFNSHEEPSKIN
WOLFNSHEEPSKIN

I just can't picture Buddha saying "always attack, never defend"    I'm really trying here but it just does not fit into any religion -   ooops!"

Ivy Mapother
Ivy Mapother

I understand you can't clear the planet by turning the other cheek. With all the other planets, why did you have to start here?

Marcotai
Marcotai

Yes, Scientologists are not turning the other cheek like Christians do (LOL).Even Buddhists or Taoists have created Martial Arts for their defense!Wake up!   

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

In other words, Scientology is not a "turn the other cheek" sort of "religion". Well, we already knew that but, thanks for pointing it out in your own words as it really communicates.

I understand about the LOL. It was only a suggestion. Peace.

Marcotai
Marcotai

Sorry, i will not drop my "LOL", because the owner of this blog is used to "LOL' about our religion. In few words, you get what you give.

please explain
please explain

If you read the dumbleton-powles report, available online - you will see the same family siutuations occuring decades ago. Incidentally the now spokesperson Virginia stewart is the child of Erin O'Donnell, mentioned in the report and allen wright - originally hailed from New Zealand. He was an Olympic level cyclist, a world class audio designer and a dedicated Scientologist. He was on the Mission Into Time voyage with LRH and acted as ship's photographer, amongst other duties. Some of the well known photographs of LRH used by the church even today were taken by him.

Allen ran his own business, Allen Wright Electronics in Sydney where he modified and repaired hi-fi and instrument amplifiers, and manufactured his own range of equipment under the Audiolab brand. At night on SydF staff he also ran the Communications Course.

Sensing that he could no longer agree with church management in the early 1980s, Allen trained with Bill Robertson to C/S level for Ron's Org, and delivered services up to the OT levels and Excalibur to various people within Australia before reestablishing his electronics business in Germany in the mid 1990s. At one stage he also manufactured his own meters for this purpose.

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