DEBBIE COOK COUNTERSUES SCIENTOLOGY: We Have Her Counterclaim, and the Church's Legal Salvos

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Ray Jeffrey and Debbie Cook
The Voice has learned that Debbie Cook filed a counterclaim against the Church of Scientology Monday afternoon, the first significant development since her stunning victory against the church in a Texas courtroom on February 10.

In her counterclaim, Cook is aiming directly at Scientology's ultimate leader, David Miscavige, by attempting to add two of the church's most powerful entities to the lawsuit that was filed against her by Scientology's Flag Service Organization, her former employer.

Besides Cook's filing, we also have several other documents sent back and forth between the opposing parties which provide a revealing look at how this case is being litigated behind the scenes.

This new information emerges as, this morning, the church's lawsuit against Cook finally hits America's major national mainstream media -- she appeared on ABC's Good Morning America this morning and will on Nightline tonight.

A quick review for those just coming to the story after seeing what was shown on ABC...

Cook was a "Sea Org" official who ran Scientology's spiritual Mecca in Clearwater, Florida, known to Scientologists as "Flag Land Base" or "Flag." As captain of the Flag Service Organization for 17 years, Cook oversaw the delivery of Scientology's secret upper-level teachings to church members who made pilgrimages to the Clearwater complex.

In 2007, however, she and her husband, Wayne Baumgarten, left the Sea Org and moved to the San Antonio area, where they knew no one. Still a member of the church but no longer an employee, Cook remained in contact with many other church members through Facebook and e-mail. Then, this past New Year's Eve, she sent out a remarkable e-mail to thousands of her fellow Scientologists, complaining about the way the church had become obsessed with "extreme fundraising" under Miscavige's leadership.

The church then filed its lawsuit against Cook and Baumgarten, saying that the e-mail disparaged the church, and violated the terms of non-disclosure agreements that the couple signed when they left the Sea Org (they were each also paid $50,000 for signing the agreements).

In court, Cook countered that she had signed the agreement under duress, making it invalid. In remarkable testimony at the Bexar County Courthouse on February 9, Cook described how she took Scientology's money and signed the agreement only after she had been held against her will in a bizarre office-prison, known as "the Hole," at the church's international base east of Los Angeles. During her seven weeks in the Hole, Cook testified, she was forced to take part in mass confessions, was fed a disgusting slop for meals, and had to sleep on a floor infested with ants and in temperatures that climbed past 100 degrees. After later finding herself under guard at a hotel in Clearwater and forced to participate in more confessions, she testified that she was willing to sign anything to leave.

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David Miscavige, in a familiar pose
During her testimony, as we blogged the hearing live from the courtroom, we noted that Scientology's local attorney, George Spencer, objected to Cook and her lawyer, Ray Jeffrey, repeatedly blaming David Miscavige for Cook's degrading treatment.

Spencer told Judge Martha Tanner that Miscavige was not an employee of the Flag Service Organization -- the church entity that brought the lawsuit -- and so he was irrelevant to the case.

Miscavige is chairman of the board of the Religious Technology Center, one of the many entities that were created during a 1980s reorganization of Scientology. Ex-Scientologists say that from his position at RTC, Miscavige actually wields ultimate power over all of the many individual organizations under the church's umbrella, including the Church of Scientology International (CSI) and the Flag Service Organization.

As you'll see in this counterclaim, Cook asks for unspecified damages. But the real importance of her filing is to have CSI and RTC added to the case, so that there will be no question that David Miscavige is relevant to the lawsuit (click to enlarge)...

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Cook also submitted a request for a jury trial at the earliest date, which, without Scientology's cooperation, is November 13 (if Scientology agrees, an earlier date could be set, perhaps as soon as September).
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Cook and Baumgarten also sent to Scientology's attorneys dozens of "interrogatories" to answer as the lawsuit moves into the discovery process. They also sent requests for "admissions" -- under Texas law, these questions are designed to get the church to put on the record such things as whether the way Cook was treated at the "Hole" was something Scientology considers part of its religious practice.

There are three sets of these questions. We'll reproduce them here, and we expect they'll generate a lot of discussion from our deeply knowledgeable commenting community...

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Another important development: On February 20, Cook and Baumgarten offered to pay back the $100,000 that they took when they signed their non-disclosure agreements in 2007, in return for the church voiding the agreements they signed...
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Four days later, church attorney Gary Soter (who was present at the February 9-10 hearings, but who did not speak during the proceedings) sent this letter to Cook's attorney, Ray Jeffrey, complaining about Cook talking to Nightline, and saying that if Jeffrey was serious about a settlement, he'd have Cook call ABC and cancel the show...
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Jeffrey didn't like Soter's letter, and sent back this note to him the next day:

"Dear Mr. Soter,

My professionalism detector goes off when a lawyer sends me a letter purporting to quote my remarks from a long, informal telephone conversation with a colleague about privileged settlement matters. The only purpose for the quotation marks is to serve as a "gotcha". I am not familiar with you, but I didn't take Mr. Spencer for that sort of lawyer. I reject your misuse of my discussion with Mr. Spencer. In the future, I will refrain from chatting with Mr. Spencer. I don't want to have to waste my time responding to quotation marks assigned to me. Also, I do not engage in correspondence wars with opposing counsel. So, if you do not hear back from me on some such matter, you may assume that I disagree with your position.

I hope you both have a nice weekend.

Best regards,

Ray"

That same day, the 25th, Scientology's local attorney, George Spencer, rejected Cook's offer to pay back the church and reiterated what he had said in court, that the church would be moving for a summary judgment...

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Spencer sent at least three additional letters to Jeffrey on the 25th. In one, he asks that Jeffrey preserve all pertinent e-mails and other documents that might show that Cook and Baumgarten had violated the terms of their agreements with the church: "We ask you to preserve these records so that we can calculate damages on how many violations and breaches there have been," Spencer writes.

In another letter on the 25th, Spencer complains about Debbie Cook posting a letter thanking her supporters at Marty Rathbun's blog (which we wrote about earlier)...

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In the next letter, Spencer refers to the defense funds that have been set up to help Debbie Cook pay for Jeffrey's services. (One she set up on her own website, another one was started by Rathbun at his blog.) Rathbun wrote about this letter at his blog yesterday, saying that he would never reveal who had donated to the fund he set up.
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And finally, we've saved one of the most interesting documents for last. On Monday, Spencer sent this letter, raising issues with Cook and Baumgarten interacting with two other former, high-ranking Scientology officials, Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun. (Both had been announced as witnesses for Cook in the February 9-10 hearing, but were never called.)...
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Rinder and Rathbun under non-disclosure agreements? They don't act like it. I'll ask them each about that claim later today.

For now, this is a lot of new information to absorb as this case moves forward. Scientology's attorneys are sending out a lot of strongly-worded letters, but as to their plan to ask for summary judgment, Jeffrey talked about that during the press conference he held on February 10: no Texas judge, he says, would say that there wasn't a major disagreement on the facts in this case (Cook says she was tortured, Scientology says she's lying, for example). Jeffrey is confident that a judge won't grant a summary judgment, and has said that he wants a trial -- he wants a Texas jury to hear Debbie Cook's testimony about the way she was treated in "the Hole."


UPDATE: I've just seen ABC's segment about Debbie Cook on Good Morning America. While it's good to see this story on the national news, and Dan Harris in general does a good job explaining the background to the story, ABC commits one glaring, heinous act of typical mainstream lily-livered reporting.

Harris makes it sound as if Debbie Cook's testimony about "the Hole" is all alone against the denials of the church. I understand that ABC must put in the church's denials -- but how can the network not also mention that other former executives have been going public about "the Hole" for several years!

It was nearly three years ago that the St. Petersburg Times (now Tampa Bay Times) thoroughly described the bizarre office-prison in their blockbuster series, "The Truth Rundown."

And Monique Rathbun pointed out to me at my Facebook page that ABC's own program Nightline has previously aired an interview with Marty Rathbun talking about the Hole!

How difficult would it have been for ABC to include these words: "Debbie Cook is only the latest former church official to come forward with harrowing stories of Scientology's strange office prison."

Well, we'll see on tonight's lengthier Nightline version of Dan Harris's piece if they manage to include that, and at least give Cook some credit that she's not the only person saying that she went through David Miscavige's degrading treatment.


UPDATE 2: Another letter! George Spencer sent over yet another stern letter today, this time about an Australian interview with Debbie Cook from Monday night...

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Letter from Spencer about Good Morning America coming in 4...3...2...


UPDATE 3: As predicted!

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Now, is Nightline past bedtime at the Spencer household? I guess we'll find out tomorrow...



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New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories. As for our regular features, on Thursdays we do a roundup of world press, on Fridays we visit L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo circa 1969-1971, on Saturdays we celebrate the week's best comments, and on Sundays we publish Scientology's wacky and tacky advertising mailers that people send us.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.


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Payton_vege
Payton_vege

Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!

Jgg
Jgg

As defined in Black's Law Dictionary (7th ed. 1999), disparagement is "A false and injurious statement that discredits or detracts from the reputation of another's property, product, or business. To recover in tort for disparagement, the plaintiff must prove that the statement caused a third party to take some action resulting in specific pecuniary loss to the plaintiff."

So, there cannot be summary judgment unless the email criticizing Miscavige was clearly false and, if anything, it was clearly true--all of the abuses she mentioned are well-known on the web and have never been denied under oath by David Miscavige.  At the very least, the motion should have an affidavit by Miscavige denying the truth of the allegations.  Such an affidavit would be expected.  The court will wonder why it is not there, and where is Mr. Miscavige? 

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

Scientology's lawyers are Running Scared.....no pun intended I assure you.

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

Lying about other people is not okay. If you find yourself having to lie in order to win an argument or conflict, then you really lost. Yesterday, a couple of Marty Rathbun's most loyal cult followers were lying about me. They were rather quick to jump to any wild conclusions about me and then spread their lies as though they were facts. This is not okay. If Marty Rathbun's people find it so easy and necessary to spread lies about me, then how much more likely is it that Marty Rathbun has been lying about David Miscavige?

This really applies to those protesting the church as well as those in the church. When you find yourself having to lie about your "enemy," then you're the loser. Only a desperate person must rely on lies and other cheats to get through a discussion or conflict. If your position was legitimate in the first place, then lies wouldn't be necessary because the facts would support your position.

Marty Rathbun wants everyone to believe that all Scientologists are either with him or with David Miscavige. This is definitely not true. Most non-church Scientologists are disinterested in Marty Rathbun and his shenanigans. They've been delivering training and auditing to non-church Scientologists for decades while Marty Rathbun was in charge of hunting them down and stopping them. Marty Rathbun wants people to believe he invented the independent movement when he was actually the last guy to arrive.

mad_world
mad_world

Debbie is looking a lot better in her recent media appearances than she did during her Texas court appearance. Her physical appearance has improved, and she looks more upbeat and confident.

A Scientologist has to enter the wog world first, before they learn what compassion, empathy, camaraderie and support is (without any strings attached).

I hope at some point she owns up to her part as a long time representative for the criminal organization that is Scientology, fleecing vulnerable people out of their hard earned cash, and breaking up families, but for now, I’m rooting for her.

She has had a hand in the destruction that Scientology has sown in the lives of everyone they came in contact with, due to her position at Flag. I just hope at some point she owns up to that.

Coming clean is instrumental on the road to recovery. That, every cult psychologist will emphasize.

scilonschools
scilonschools

And the Nightline broadcast as well,

This must be a record Foot Bullit for the CoS!

Tony can you generate a footbullit ometer to allow assesment of footbullits in future?

jensting
jensting

HEY! OSA!!

I  D O N A T E D   T O    D E B B I E    C O O K ' S    D E F E N S E  ! ! ! 

Do your best :)

jensting
jensting

Sorry - I'm sure this is a redundant comment. But.

If Rinder an Rathbun are under and NDA and have not been taken to court after their remarks, does this uneven reinforcement of the agreement (assuming that R&R's agreement has language similar to that of Debbie Cook) make the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology less likely to prevail in court? I know that if I were on a jury and Debbie's e-mail was presented as disparaging remarks and R&R' interviews passed unnoticed, I would conclude that plaintiff was using the court to ruin the defendant rather than having a valid legal point...

Best Regards

Jens

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

This "church" already lost in the court of public opinion. Year 2012 simply made it straight down and vertical.

sketto
sketto

Great, great article, Tony.

Though there are many juicy sections of it to choose from, I believe the best part of it is this:

"Admit or deny that

Slapping, punching, or hitting employees is a religious practice of the Church of Scientology.Slapping, punching, or hitting employees is not a religious practice of the Church of Scientology."

To see this decades-long abuse outlined so starkly like that, completely revealed in its lawyerly language, just made me feel all the things I've ever felt about Scientology's abuses - shock, laughter, and outrage all at the same time.

sketto
sketto

Seriously, my friend. Do you ever ask yourself, "Could I be doing something better with my life than defending David Miscavige?" There's much more you could be doing to help the world than hiding his crimes. Think about it.

sketto
sketto

Please invite Miscavige to the trial. We'd love to see him exonerated. It is possible that he's innocent. It's also possible that he's a lifelong coward who hides behind lawyers. Let's get to the truth.

jensting
jensting

Wow! Maybe Debbie took the time to read a book I recommended to her : Bonnie Woods' "Deceived: One woman's stand against the church of Scientology" ISBN-13: 978-1903905210 where Bonnie details how the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology first slandered her then was made to apologise in court, sign injunctions and pay her a significant compensation (which she did colect). That's right, the injunction was on the Co$ not on Bonnie Woods - she won, collected her money and can continue to speak out.

David Miscavige is not going to be happy having to sign over a huge compensation deal and having OSA sign heaps of injunctions :) Once more :) :)Go, Bonnie! Go, Debbie!! 

Hatchune Shun
Hatchune Shun

Eh, question guys, would the nightline interview be streamed live on the internet?If so, where can i view it, i dont wanna miss out on the fun everybody is looking forward to D:

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

This part of Lauren Moccio's excellent article at "Gather News" is so true. The article is titled:

Scientology Faces Further Media Backlash, Claims of Brutality

"Unfortunately, Scientologists will continue to hide behind the First Amendment in the United States and it will be a case of "he said, she said" until the victims are taken seriously and a true, congressional and FBI-led investigation is launched. It would be impossible for a journalist to go undercover and document these behaviors due to the years of study and genuflection that are necessary to gain access, therefore law enforcement must look at the increasing list of claims and act accordingly. If the church wishes for its reputation to be cleared, then David Miscavige should welcome such an investigation, because nothing short of it will suffice at this point."_________________________________________________

Let's hope more journalist start to speak-up about the absent of FBI investigations into scientology and Nation Of Islam, it's over due.

Tony, all of your years of dedicated reporting (since 1995) on scientology might be finally rubbing off on other reporters.

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

Dan Moran started off with a major goof, spouting scientology promo lies verbatim practically about "it's really, really growing".  I almost couldn't eat my pizza.

The Hole Does Not Exist and Never Has .... I'm hearing that right now after viewers have been getting the lowdown on the Debbie Does DM story.  Much the same from Australia media; much more included then ABC New's short piece this morning.

So Early Birds And Night Crawlers got an earful today.  Scientology statement (I think he said the lawyer's):

 "Each time she speaks it will cost her."

How religious of you, scientology!  Holy Holes indeed.  Now,  for some antacids and sleep. 

Sasser
Sasser

Hope ABC gets some killer ratings for this and continues to go back to the honey hole.  Wonder what someone has to accuse Miscavige of for him to actually appear on camera?  He looks more and more guilty with each non-appearance/interview.

Guest
Guest

It has started.   And Miscavige looks very very baaaad.....

TheHoleDoesNotExist
TheHoleDoesNotExist

Pizza ordered, since this seems to be one of those Marathon scientology watching days. Waiting for Nightlline.Tony's restaurant is getting to be an all night diner.  The cats must be filling in for him while he naps.

Hatchune Shun
Hatchune Shun

Scientology watching have never been this interesting when its viewed from the offense perspective.

*grabs popcorn and soda*

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Attorney, George Spencer, "You'll Never Eat Lunch On This Continent Again." You're lower than the low, you have now been infected with the plague, no one will ever look at you the same or hold you in high regard, people will whisper behind your back as you pass-by, you have sold your soul to the devil by representing the most evil man on earth,. You have now entered into the abyss of madness, you wait.

It is demeaning and humiliating for any woman to have to go through this publicly. So, I wish Debbie the best, she is already a champion, win or lose.

The words, 'I am strong, I am invincible, I am woman', keep going over and over in my head when I think about Debbie. DM is a dumbass, a evil fool. Doesn't he know he is turning Debbie Cook into America's sweetheart. Now I will donate to her defense fund because I hate mofo bullies!

This is a pretty big deal in my house, we always root for the underdog, It's going to be an emotional night waiting for Nightline to air. We've already ordered Toppers Pizza which will be delivered in the hour. I swear, this is better than a pay perview fight.

So, Debbie, if you start to falter, if you start to doubt yourself, just remember these words, "I am woman, hear me roar," then kick DM's ass.

Dantinvex
Dantinvex

legal efforts..mispell sorry

Dantinvex
Dantinvex

I hope she stands tall, cause they are going to try to Muscle her and trheaten her when the elgal efforts fail.

Rockefort
Rockefort

I am sorry. But it is all about Debbie's need for cash. Sad. She could also get a job. 

Billy Bob
Billy Bob

Tony - Thanks for the detailed coverage... It's great that David Miscavige is getting a lot of major media heat now, but the information presented by these major outlets is scant compared to the depth of coverage you provide.  In my estimation, this site has become the greatest single Scientology information and discussion board online today.

In fact, your site is so successful that I am having a hard time keeping up with the Scilons over on the ABC news article comment section, where only a handful of posters are presenting the Non-COS view.  There's an overtime crew of Louannes working there today!Plus they are working the hell out of the "Mark As Violation" button!Oh My, Religious Bigotry!

I am sure more will be going at it hard again tomorrow or late tonight when the Nightline story is posted.

But boy, the plug is out and there's no putting it back in!  These stories are going to keep on collapsing the COS as the underground effort is taken up by the major media, but until then, those harpoons need to keep on coming.  As I said before, their articles lack the depth of information that you provide, so I do try to refer back to this site, (although not sure how ABC likes that!)

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Detention and physical punishment both are not allowed per 2007 edition of the “Introduction to Scientology Ethics”  book, page 363.  

 Hubbard says:   "Note that none of it carries any physical punishment or detention."  [this refers to the long list of  the authorized punishment disciplines]

 In 1982 Hubbard wrote the “Knowledge Reports” policy, it's text is also included in the “Introduction to Scientology Ethics” book 2007 edition, page 268  "....at the first pinprick, Joe would probably have a black eye!"    This sentence is the Hubbard sentence  Miscavige has personally interpreted to condone  the slapping and punching of bad staff. 

 A private 1982 comment of Hubbard’s in a dispatch discussing WDC SMI (Watchdog Committee Member over the Scientology Missions International sector of the church, a man named John Aczel at the moment this Hubbard comment was written)  “….and if you see WDC SMI, spit on him for me…..”   which Miscavige unwisely and dutifully executed by punching and spitting on John Acze and on Roger Barnes who was John’s subordinate, the two of them were walking outdoors on the Int Base property when Miscavige personally executed this Hubbard private dispatch comment  in 1982.   

 From same book, “Introduction to Scientology Ethics”, 2007 edition, page 494, “pinprick black eye and, 268”   This indexing of “pinprick” and “black eye” wasn’t in the earlier editions of the same book that included “Knowledge Reports” policy.   This shows someone focused on this point of the black eye deserving mention for handy reference finding in the book’s index!

 Hubbard says, same book, same edition, page 102  “Below Non-Existence there is the Condition of Liability.  ….It is assigned where careless or malicious and knowing damage is caused to projects, orgs or activities……It is a liability to have such a person unwatched as the person may do or continue to do things to stop or impede the forward progress of the project or org and such a person cannot be trusted….”   This is the Hubbard reference authorizing church staff being put “under watch.”

There are dozens who can testify when Debbie needs them.

 I’d hope she also calls Ken Urquhart and Hana Whitfield to testify that these extreme punishments are part of Scientology discipline.  Ken’s in his 70s and knows Hubbard in all Hubbard’s pluses and minuses better than anyone, including better than Starkey, who is likely the one Miscavige will have come lie in court against Debbie, my guess.  It would be great to see Miscavige’s lawyers call Starkey to testify, and then Debbie’s lawyer calls Ken and Hana to counter Starkey! Hana witnessed the “chain locker” punishment being applied on the Apollo, condoned and ordered by LRH.

mad_world
mad_world

 "Scientology's lawyers are Running Scared"

Not as scared as their client, I'm sure. I guess clearing the planet is off the table ~giggle~

They only thing being cleared is Miscavige's road to the pokey.

bobx
bobx

If you are going to complain about people "lying" it is best to give an example of a statement by them that is false.  I saw some disparaging comments about you, to the effect that your YouTube channel shows you staring at your hand in a way that makes you look a little addled and in need of a shower and some fresh air outside.  This appears to be true, unless that is a different "Jonathon Barbera"; is there something else you are complaining about?

jensting
jensting

Whereas everything you've ever stated can be independently verified - in your dreams ...

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I was expecting them to ask:

Do you admit you are hiding the video surveillance that monitored Debbie Cook in the "Hole."

mad_world
mad_world

Phew, has Tony been doing this since 1995?

Well done, Tony. The world needs more Americans like you.

wubbawubba
wubbawubba

 you sir are a dumbass

she had a Job...unfortunately alot of her clients were Scientologists. Scientology used good old fashioned "spiritual blackmail",to pry away her clients.....and used  good old fashioned peer pressure  with the  threat "disconnection" if they continued to remain her clients.

JustWilliam
JustWilliam

How very, very pathetic these Scientology trolls are.  They are forbidden from reading the article, so they have NO idea what we're talking about.  They've been ordered to post insults and slander -- and everything they post has to be read by OSA.  So sad.  So pathetic.

sizzle8
sizzle8

 That's a pretty cheesy comment, Roquefort.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Hello OSA Minion of Many Sockpuppets!

Sucks to be you. :)

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Guest
Guest

She already has one lined up.... as the replacement for Miscavige. 

Kimber
Kimber

Funny thing, none of this would have happened if the cult didn't sue Debbie in the first place.  She loves the "religion" just not its abuses. 

Guest
Guest

Hey RockDid you even read any of the above?   She's the defendant.  She's counter suing to keep a handle on her rights and for leverage in settlement.  There's a letter above saying she'd give the 100,000 back.  What money is she after?  I don't understand.  Please tell your OSA pals to read the article before we can respond to your trolldom.

Aa
Aa

Even though Hubbard was the originator of the harsh discipline, violence, imprisonment, and virtually every other abuse and depravity undertaken by Miscavige, it seems the Debbie Cooks and Marty Rathbuns would prefer to paint LRH as another Mother Teresa -- while it is Miscavige alone who they say is responsible for corrupting LRH's just policies and bringing disgrace to his good name.

So bringing in "old timers" like Ken Urquhart or Hana Whitfield, or anyone else who experienced firsthand the cult's pre-1986-era abuse, might be more than they could stomach, given their current delusions about Hubbard's supposed saintliness. 

No, for them, all the better to find someone who joined the Sea Org after Hubbard died, so their testimony of abuse can only be blamed on Miscavige.

Hatchune Shun
Hatchune Shun

Wouldnt that make their lawyers afraid of their client instead?

I bet that they have never met a bad tempered midget pounding em all night for failing to stop the case. I.E Scientology Lawyers are Running Scared, from a Diminutive Midget.

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

FACT: Marty Rathbun is a confessed violent criminal.Whereas David Miscavige will remain only an alleged criminal until after Debbie Cook's lawsuit goes to court. If the evidence (or lack of evidence) is presented and judged, David Miscavige will either be proven a criminal or he will be vindicated and all accusations against him muted.

Brainslugged
Brainslugged

SP 'Onage - BEDTIME! You've been commenting for 18 hours already. Tony Ortega may be superhuman but everyone else needs to sleep to function properly.

Sandy4077
Sandy4077

I am starting to wonder if that's not actually the game plan.  If so, then Davy has been played from the point that Debbie sent her New Year's email.  The counter-suit (and how it is being litigated) leads some credence to this possibility as it puts her in control in her fight against the cult in a way that has not been observed for quite some time.  Assuming he has gutted the management cadre to the degree  that has been reported then he is pretty much on his own. 

Good times.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

I'm pretty sure that most Indies "handled" these "flaps" in their area by deciding that LRH had his little flaws and "moody" moments and yet was still a super OT and mankind's greatest friend. It might change pretty soon though.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

True.   Debbie has not heard yet the stories from ex CMO Messengers and others who witnessed LRH order and watch the older Sea Org man push a pea around the wooden deck of the Apollo, bloodying his nose, his wife weeping and his children watching in horror, and LRH chuckling, and other Apollo vet staff all watching and condoning it.

I wish that INCOMM staffer who leaked some OSA data once, I wish he'd have leaked the full Hubbard private writings, and he did have access to the "....and if you see WDC SMI, spit on him for me...."   that Hubbard order of 1982 could have been leaked.   

LRH's scathing rants against some other Int Base staffers should be leaked also, there was a period when the word "sabotage" was the most shared LRH paranoid utterance that was in fashion for a good 10 year stretch at Int.   

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

LOL. I went to sleep about an hour after your last post, then woke up at 4:30 pm and started posting again. Heh!

I haven't read all of the posts yet, still have to do that. I wonder, what's the count on comments?

Guest
Guest

 Wouldn't surprise me, he isn't the sharpest light bulb:)

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

And don't forget the over boarding, sometimes with feet and hands tied up.

Oh yeah, I remember the whole "sabotaging" this and that blames!It's still practiced by the execs, even in Class V Orgs!Now I know The Source of it. Thanks, Chuck!

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