Debbie Cook's Motion Denied: Scientology's Restraining Order Remains in Place Until Thursday Hearing

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Judge Janet Littlejohn
As we reported yesterday, Debbie Cook, who is being sued by the Church of Scientology for speaking out to her fellow church members in a New Year's Eve e-mail, filed a motion to dissolve a temporary restraining order so broad, it prevented her from hiring an attorney (she hired one anyway) or talking about the case with her husband, who is also being sued.

After a hearing this morning, however, Texas 150th District Court Judge Janet P. Littlejohn denied Cook's motion and continued matters until Thursday, when the restraining order will run out and there will be a hearing to determine if the same restrictions on Cook's rights will become a temporary injunction that could last the duration of the case.

Littlejohn's clerk, Shirley Myers, confirmed to me that Cook's motion had been denied, but she added that another judge, and not necessarily Littlejohn, will preside over Thursday's hearing, when the real fireworks in this case should begin.

As Cook's attorney's Ray Jeffrey told me yesterday, it is in that hearing that he plans to introduce evidence of how Cook was treated in the church she gave so many years -- and we have already published some harrowing examples of that.

"We'll get into some of her experiences, which are beyond the pale of what a human being should endure," Jeffrey said yesterday.

As we write this, we hear that Jeffrey and Cook and her husband, Wayne Baumgarten are huddling in a strategy meeting. If we can get anything from Jeffrey soon, we'll add to this post.

(Yesterday, I left a message for Scientology's San Antonio attorney, George Spencer, but I haven't heard back from him.)

UPDATE: The San Antonio Express-News had reporter John MacCormack at the hearing, and he filed this description of how things went down at the hearing...

Judge Janet Littlejohn declined to lift a temporary restraining order after being assured it will not cripple the couple's defense.

"There is no reason you cannot accumulate evidence and talk to witnesses for trial next week," she told Cook's lawyer, Ray Jeffrey.

"Other than that, they are restrained by the order," she added.

Jeffrey had argued unsuccessfully that the church cannot muzzle Cook and Baumgarten, without proving specific damages, regardless of any agreements they signed.

"Prior restraint of speech is presumptively unconstitutional," he argued.

"She didn't defame anyone. She sent out a message that was laudatory to Scientology and urged Scientologists to remain true to their faith," he added.

MacCormack also got a response from church spokeswoman Karin Pouw, and even for Karin, this one was really off the charts:

In response to e-mailed questions sent Friday, church spokeswoman Karin Pouw said the dispute is no more than "a breach-of-contract case."

"As is common with defendants in such cases, Debbie Cook wants to divert attention away from her lack of compliance with the terms she voluntarily agreed to in signing the contract," she added.

Pouw disputed others who described Cook as a longtime, important church leader, asserting she had "never held a senior management position."

"She has not attended church in years and has become a squirrel. A squirrel is someone who alters Scientology Scripture; a heretic," she added.

It's a shame MacCormack didn't immediately point out that as Captain FSO for 17 years, Cook had actually been the equivalent of CEO of Scientology's spiritual mecca, the Flag Service Organization in Clearwater, Florida, and to this day is a somewhat legendary figure in the church. In fact, it's her status as a major figure in Scientology that made her e-mail such a devastating one. (MacCormack's piece is otherwise an excellent introduction to the case for Texas readers.)

As for calling people squirrels, we wonder how Karin didn't get an "apostate" in there somewhere.


2nd UPDATE: Marty Rathbun, who was in the courtroom, has more at his blog...

Miscavige's (FSO's) counsel claimed not to have any intention of using the temporary injunction to hinder Debbie and Wayne's defense. Then Mr Jeffrey pulled out the letter Miscavige's boys faxed to Jeffrey the day before last. The letter threatened the Baumgartens with a motion to have the court hold them in contempt. For what? Allegedly conferring with her legal team consultants and witnesses, namely yours truly and Mike Rinder.

The judge denied the motion to dissolve only after being assured by Miscavige's boys that they would drop their attempts to use the court's order to obstruct Debbie and Wayne's defense preparation.



Debbie Cook Coverage in the Village Voice...

January 1: Scientology rocked by allegations of greed in e-mail to 12,000 church members

January 3: Is Scientology imploding? Watching the panic after a former executive dares to question church management

January 4: Scientology in crisis: Debbie Cook's transformation from enforcer to whistleblower

January 6: Scientology in turmoil: Debbie Cook's e-mail, annotated

January 31: Scientology sues Debbie Cook over her New Year's Eve e-mail

February 2: Debbie Cook files to dissolve Scientology's temporary restraining order: We talk to her attorney, Ray Jeffrey

Also, please see our primer, "What is Scientology?"



Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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Dean Fox
Dean Fox

This is not a win for the church of scientology, it was a clever move by the lawyer to expose the threatening fax and get it on record as well as neutralise such dodgy dealings.

I believe however that there is something being missed by the law suit being for at least $300,000 when the contract specifies a minimum of $100,000 per breach. We're all assuming the alledged breaches stem from the email, what if they don't?

On the other hand are they going to show the original email list contained 3 media types? It will be interesting to see what curve balls come out of the none specific suit; iirc the suit alledges breaches and names some clauses but is less than specific in terms of actual events. Perhaps this is so the defence spends time preparing a defence only yo be hambushed.

Wouldn't surprise me if they have pictures of Debbie speaking with a news stand attendant, a media person? Wouldn't surprise me if they have some media type who will come forward and swear blind Debbie called them with a story. In fact nothing would surprise me, except maybe the church of scientology quitting the suit and paying restitution for stress and inconvenience. Just trying to think outside the email to figure out the curve ball.

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Likely Debbie just wants the movement more doing Scientology training and processing, and get back to that, and get away from the excessive fundraising.  

She is not wishing to destroy the whole movement, likely she'll wish to see it run by benevolent new leaders, who will have to be inspired to behave benevolently, and as a group of new leaders, avoid the hot tempered totalitarian scapegoating Hubbard pitfall policies, if there are enough upper staff Scientologists with the gumption and desire to reform the whole top of the movement out of this one man band Mussolini deterioration. 

If Miscavige was reading the chat sites, like some think he was, the "critics" for years have voiced all kinds of Hubbard benevolent "on policy" solutions over the years which he's not followed.

Nor has anyone around Miscavige followed the Hubbard policy solution of what to do when a top dog starts going bonkers, which is 1959 "Individuation" tape lecture tech on Miscavige, which is to security check him, and fix him up "case" wise so he wasn't this Napolean/Stalin character oblivious to his havoc.

Historically, I brought this up years ago on other chat sites, but even Hubbard witnessed and ordered ALL the top Int Base execs be the first recipients to the 1982 revival of "security checking for evil purposes" technology, which Hubbard might have directly stated it, but any of the brute Int Base execs surely needed, and Miscavige didn't get effective relief to his brute reptilian calculating domineering Stalin-esque nature, yet Hubbard wished the False Purpose Rundown (which is the security checking for evil purposes, and releasing a person fully from the desire to dramatize false and evil purposes by this focused Hubbard "laser precise" pseudo-talk therapy/transgressions locating).

If Miscavige had followed Hubbard's very important "Command Intention" orders to ALL Sea Org members, of 1970ish, Miscavige would have become a top classed therapist and therapist/Case-Supervisor trained.   Miscavige hasn't done that.   It's like having  a "Pope" who doesn't know how to issue the sacraments.   He's in non compliance with becoming even the lowest level auditor acceptable to the lowest level patient/parishioners.  

Debbie was a Flag interned auditor, and she delivered years of it successfully, and she exemplifies what we call the "beingness" of an auditor, which is the ability to bond with the patient and deliver the one on one therapy successfully.   Miscavige is totally incapable of the bonding step.  

You can't make a Pope out of a reptile. 

Debbie is right.   Miscavige and the FSO lawyers are wrong.

If needed, I'm sure scholars will be glad to "grade" Debbie and Wayne and give their expert testimony as to whether Debbie and Wayne are in fact Scientologists or not!

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

" You can't make a Pope out of a reptile. "Thanks Chuck... that was worth the read..

I like reading your posts... am always learning something and amused to boot !

Radio Paul
Radio Paul

You can rest assured that the cult will laud this and every victory against Debbie as a victory against evil SP's and proof they were right all along. But this is a classic case of winning a battle to only loose the war. The cult thinks that it is on top of the world by bashing in is critics. It suffers from the delusion that might does make right but in reality it makes the world loathe the them all the more. It is Scientology by spending its resources to always attack and never defend who is educating the average person and its own cult members as to how vial they really are and why they need to be stopped. 

FoolMeNoMore
FoolMeNoMore

If Debbie decides, and is allowed by the courts to talkopenly, there will be no huge new revelations.  You will hear Debbie’s personal story of abuse, and abuses shewitnessed.   It will further corroborate theinsane activities in the Church that have already been made known.

So why did the Church jump into action so fast to gag herspecifically?

The big difference between Debbie’s “coming out” compared toothers like Marty and Rinder is the effect it could have within the Scientologycommunity – on those who continue to donate to the Church.

Though Rinder and Rathbun were Senior Management and well knownthey had limited PERSONAL interaction with the Scientology parishioners.   Debbie,on the other hand, spent 27 years “rubbing elbows” with the public.   Most, if not all, big donors within theChurch have had frequent personal conversations with Debbie.   

Debbie was a HOST to the parishioners as well as the CEO.  As a HOST she was gracious, personable andaccessible.   Her persona was furtherstrengthened by International Management which goes to great lengths to pump upthe image of the Flag Service Org; Debbie was a beneficiary of that.

If the Church can’t silence Debbie they are faced with thetask of destroying an image of Debbie (built over decades) that they helpedcreate.  They have to convince theparishioners that “the Debbie”, they have personally come to know over theyears, is an evil apostate.  That is atough sell. 

Discrediting  Rathbunand Rinder, to parishioners who never knew them personally, is one thing;  doing that with Debbie Cook , who people didknow, is quite another matter.

Debbie’s statement that the Church is “off course” will penetrateparishioner’s “mental fire-wall” in a way that others have not.  It is a real problem to the Church and theyknow it and thus wasted no time pulling out their legal guns.

Debbie is not privy to some smoking gun, per-se.  She is worse. She is someone whose opinion could sway people on whether or not THEY DONATEor maybe leave the fold outright.  TheChurch is fighting for the money associated with its constantly shrinkingmembership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Debbie decides, and is allowed by the courts to talkopenly, there will be no huge new revelations.  You will hear Debbie’s personal story of abuse, and abuses shewitnessed.   It will further corroborate theinsane activities in the Church that have already been made known.

So why did the Church jump into action so fast to gag herspecifically?

The big difference between Debbie’s “coming out” compared toothers like Marty and Rinder is the effect it could have within the Scientologycommunity – on those who continue to donate to the Church.

Though Rinder and Rathbun were Senior Management and well knownthey had limited PERSONAL interaction with the Scientology parishioners.   Debbie,on the other hand, spent 27 years “rubbing elbows” with the public.   Most, if not all, big donors within theChurch have had frequent personal conversations with Debbie.   

Debbie was a HOST to the parishioners as well as the CEO.  As a HOST she was gracious, personable andaccessible.   Her persona was furtherstrengthened by International Management which goes to great lengths to pump upthe image of the Flag Service Org; Debbie was a beneficiary of that.

If the Church can’t silence Debbie they are faced with thetask of destroying an image of Debbie (built over decades) that they helpedcreate.  They have to convince theparishioners that “the Debbie”, they have personally come to know over theyears, is an evil apostate.  That is atough sell. 

Discrediting  Rathbunand Rinder, to parishioners who never knew them personally, is one thing;  doing that with Debbie Cook , who people didknow, is quite another matter.

Debbie’s statement that the Church is “off course” will penetrateparishioner’s “mental fire-wall” in a way that others have not.  It is a real problem to the Church and theyknow it and thus wasted no time pulling out their legal guns.

Debbie is not privy to some smoking gun, per-se.  She is worse. She is someone whose opinion could sway people on whether or not THEY DONATEor maybe leave the fold outright.  TheChurch is fighting for the money associated with its constantly shrinkingmembership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FoolMeNoMore
FoolMeNoMore

oops, what the heck happened wtih this "cutting,pasting and formatting nightmare - sorry

Pickanotherid
Pickanotherid

I love the way the Cof$ lawyers got called on trying to keep Debbie from talking with her lawyer and potential witnesses.

Bet that little trick built up a lot of credibility for the Cof$ with the court. /sarcasm

Raymond Hill
Raymond Hill

"Pouw disputed others who described Cook as a longtime, important church leader, asserting she had 'never held a senior management position.' "

If the Church of Scientology feels the need to have someone never in "senior management position" sign such an incredibly restrictive NDA, imagine what they required from those who actually did hold "senior management position" ... Geez, do they lock them up lol? ... Oh wait...

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

So Debbie Cook was not in top management? Such lying is par for the course. In a story about the Lisa McPherson case some years ago Ben Shaw, Flag's OSA director, told a reporter for the "St. Petersburg Times" that Jesse Prince was nothing but a janitor. Which is a little true I suppose as he did a lot of cleaning while in the RPF but he was also at one time Inspector General, fourth man in the corporation. The bad PR just keeps coming and coming. Under the best of situation being a slave at the Gold Base in Hemet is no joy. Can you imagine what it is like there now?

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

I love the Tampa Bay Times' headline on another suit:

Church lawyer tells judge: 'Only Scientology law applies'

Twilight zone? Truman Show? Psychosis? Delusions?........take your pick....

Adding to the satire, the church lawyer's surname is "Pope"!

Jens Tingleff
Jens Tingleff

"The judge denied the motion to dissolve only after being assured by Miscavige's boys that they would drop their attempts to use the court's order to obstruct Debbie and Wayne's defense preparation."

Well, if that plays out the way one could fear it will, at least that ought to be a good basis for appeal. Which is, of course, part of the point: drag things on and on and on and on and on until the critics are worn out.

Now, if only Debbie Cook would reveal actual crimes for which the statute of limitations has not expired, the clams would go after her in a big way and the whole contract could be declared illegal. Simple :)

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

It's interesting is how Scientology is damaging their own credibility in the eyes of their members by lying about Debbie's stature in the church.

It shows how they are so hell-bend on destroying or hurting their target (Debbie Cook) - as usual - that they're throwing all other considerations out the window.

For a loyal cult member, observing such obvious lies from their church, causes extreme discomfort and cognitive dissonance.

I said earlier that Scientology's can only hope nowadays to hold onto its current membership, but it looks like even that possibility is slipping away from them.

SP Onage
SP Onage

I think they under estimate their members intelligents. Debbie still is well respected among her peers, most are probably just hiding it from OSA.

I really hope this will cause a mass exodus. This is like the story of David and Goliath, we all know how that ended. Hope it ends the same way for Debbie and her husband.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

under estimate their members intelligents = underestimate their members intelligence

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

As an avid Scientology watcher, I can guess about where this is headed.  I hope that this doesn't wind up a case where Scientology aggressively pushes to settle but that happens in most civil disputes and most courts usually promote this outcome.  My first guess is that the minute this starts to go south for Scientology, their hired guns will push for a settlement.

I hope not.If not, I will say as sort of a preemptive statement, that most if not all of Cook's witnesses will be presented by the Plaintiff's counsel as disgruntled 'apostates' or ex-members.  That is a given.  But people become disgruntled for a reason and this label does not discount their testimony.  If Cook's attorney can bring out those stories and open up many doors to their testimony, the 'disgruntled factor' will be understood if not used in her favor.Those of us that have read the stories of ex-members for a number of years can attest to the fact that they all follow the same patterns.  If Cook's attorney is able to bring forth as many witnesses with these stories as possible (and key points of their stories are allowed into evidence) then this pattern will become evident.  It's hard to disprove that the sky is blue when every witness is swearing to that under oath.  If Scientology's witnesses start saying that the sky is green 'in their eyes' when it is obvious that the sky is blue, the Plaintiff's argument will be a joke.And Marty Rathbun will make the worst witness, in my opinion.  He has bad credibility problems and unless Cook's attorney's are using the Indie movement as a part of their strategy they'd be best to use him as a consultant and nothing else.  He can be caught in too many publicly stated lies to be used as a credible witness.  He would do more harm for Debbie's case than good.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

DisQus makes some well typed posts as wall-o-text.

tl:dr - Cook should use as many credible exes as witnesses as possible.  Rathbun as a credible witness is a joke.  He can be caught in too many lies and may harm Cook's case in the long run.

Withacause Rebel
Withacause Rebel

Let me try to understand the gag order and the religious Church of Money relationship to try and connect some dots here.As an unwary initiate begins the "Bridge to Total Fleecedom " it starts with very expensive counseling  (auditing sessions).In these "sessions"  the initiate  is asked  very personal questions about his mental state by another person called an auditor.These sessions are claimed to culminate in promised a higher spiritual state for the initiate that boosts his ego so he can declare he has attained whatever is concocted as the result by the organization according to L Ron Hubbard.Meanwhile all this is going on the initiate is forbidden to discuss the content of his sessions with anyone else outside of the responsible for sessions church/cult crew.Now as he progresses in the sessions with these asserted states he arrives at a point where he now goes onto the advanced  levels with the secrets of the cult revealed.Now he is made to pay ridiculous prices, sign bonds and waivers to not reveal the highly guarded secrets that are all over the internet available to anyone that can use a search engine.But there is a freedom here in that he can " solo audit" which means he can now talk to himself all he wants and pay huge sums of money for that privilege .When he becomes expert at talking to himself and if he does not go crazy in the process by isolating himself from the outside world he then is supposed to have achieved some magical state comparable to like something  out of the Allister Crowley Black Majik rituals .Now of course one can convince himself he has reached some lofty mental state that feeds his ego which will tide him over for a while till reality sets in.Are they conjuring up demons with their pentagram of sorts like Crowley black magik rituals in the process?A search on the internet will reveal this to anyone who dares to look.The way I am reading it is the cult makes you sign a gag order dictating you are only to talk to yourself till you go nuts or fade away quietly can be considered a valid & legal agreement  without questioning of the soundness of mind of the person who signed it is very interesting to say the least.If soundness of mind has validity in written  wills and other legal documents then why not also in the case of former member of a nasty cult coming to his senses.To prove it though one would have" to come to Jesus" on the fact they were part of a cult and following the devil to some degree I think.

Skwerl King
Skwerl King

I've said it before and I'll say it again: when Scientologist fights Scientologist the Wog world wins.

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

We in RTC predict another crushing legal victory for Scientology in its relentless battle against the forces of planetary suppression that seek to enslave this planet. This Debbie Cook thing is just a breach of contract matter between the Church and a bitter apostate. Debbie was a low level management person at Flag that none of us in RTC really remember. If we recall, she was a receptionist or some sort of mundane functionary.

This nonsense that Debbie Cook raised $1.7 billion for the Church of Scientology while working at Flag is baloney. During the years Debbie worked at Flag our income was something like $580 billion dollars. We lost track of the money as it approached a trillion dollars. We were too busy buying 129,441 Ideal Orgs in 15,902 countries to concern ourselves with either bookkeeping or Debbie Cook. We in RTC hired wog accounting firms to handle our books and put Debbie into a lower condition when she went past a word she did not understand, This caused her to spin and then she left Flag.

In all of our incredible flurry of activity Clearing the Planet and saving 1,876,002,186 people from their individual ruin and the fourth dynamic engram that enslaves this planet, we did not notice Debbie leaving because she was an low level statcrasher who only sold a dozen or so courses in her time at Flag. However, we in RTC had to take time out of our busy day to sue Debbie Cook because she breached her contract with us.

That is all this matter is about.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Ivy Mapother
Ivy Mapother

Right now at Kinkos there are 10,000 un-used fliers that were destined for Judge Littlejohn's neighborhood. I guess her neighbors will never know she's an alcoholic animal abuser. It looks like the OSA toadies have the night off.

Brainslugged
Brainslugged

"She has not attended church in years and has become a squirrel"

How can the Co$'s current spokeshole issue a statement to the press that sounds so absurd to the vast majority of the population? Do they sit around trying to come up with new ways to come across as odd and creepy? It kinda demonstrates how far removed from reality these people really are.

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

"How can the Co$'s current spokeshole issue a statement to the press that sounds so absurd to the vast majority of the population?"

It's because David Miscavige pulled it out of his ass and told her to use that specific language. Little DM is a moron. Let him keep playing with matches is what I say.

In_The_Name_Of_Xenu
In_The_Name_Of_Xenu

I agree. It's like they're all in the Twilight Zone. But you have to realize that every word that's uttered by that spokeswoman is approved by Miscavige. He's the evil version of Rod Serling.

Sandy4077
Sandy4077

I can't read this line without visualizing Jay Leno riffing on it.  Late night comedy gold.

BroekerBroekerBroeker
BroekerBroekerBroeker

"As Debbie Cook awoke one morning from bewildering implants she found herself transformed in her bed into a gigantic squirrel."

-Opening line, "The MESTapostates," by Karin Pouw

Frolix8
Frolix8

That sounds like the script to a furry porn flick.  Ewwwww!  :)

Brainslugged
Brainslugged

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE someone make a shoop containing the quote above.

Ex Sea Org
Ex Sea Org

I really don't understand why everyone is feeling so sorry for Debbie Cook.  She was in charge of the FSO for 17 years and received a lot of money in bonuses and commissions while I and the majority of the crew received nothing.  She had a new car.  Most crew could not afford insurance much less a new car.

Debbie helped bilk a lot of folks out of their hard earned money and she was well rewarded for it.  So now she is paying the price.

I have no sympathy for her what so ever.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

True..

But that single line from the Bible... true or not....

 "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"..

I think it is appropriate for Anyone who is still "stuck" within the confines of Hubbard's Construct.

They think they are right... that they are doing this for the betterment of mankind.

As Ron Hubbard Jr. told HIS Son... " don't believe everything you read... but believe what you say"...

Those "Inside" still Believe everything Ron Hubbard Sr. wrote ... so now they are trapped.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

People's natural, built in empathy is always an overriding factor. Empathy is basically putting yourself in the shoes of another, and knowing Scientology, putting oneself in Cook's shoes is sure to make one feel sorry for her, irrespective of her hand in all of this.

When Rathbun and Rinder left, that was the beginning of Scientoloy's implosion. Someone of Cook's stature is more of the same. It's just the card house collapsing. These are people cut from the same cloth, bringing each other down, and ridding society of this festering sore in its midst.

I have read about many large cults in history, and this is how it always goes. They 'implode'. It's a pecking order with constant challenges for domination, just like a pack of hyenas.

I was reading about Ayn Rand's objectivist cult last night, and it's interesting the strong parallels with Scientology. They also imploded when the top dogs started devouring each other. In my personal opinion, while Ayn Rand was far intellectually superior to Miscavige, their psychopathology and malignant narcissism is identical.

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Lliira
Lliira

Sorry, there are some things I think shouldn't happen to anyone. Ever. Also, the idea that having money somehow makes up for any kind of horrible thing that happens to someone is kind of... gross.

I don't approve of what Debbie Cook did. That doesn't cut her out of the human race. Further, if she wins, Scientology loses.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

The suit is really about DM vs Debbie. 

Of course DM gets to hide under the cloak of the COS and Religion and all that good stuff.

Even if and when Debbie wins .... I just don't see how she is going to end up with anything more than what she already is supposed to have... her Constitutional Rights of Free Speech... etc.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

You don't know that she received bonus' and commissions. Former top Flag registrar, Hy Levy, stated he didn't receive anything but base pay unless he sold books - and then he earned commissions. 

Quickpen
Quickpen

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Maria Pia Gardini. 

Herod
Herod

I doubt most people here have sympathy for her either... it's more about the exquisite irony.  She was preaching scientology, and getting sued by the church for doing it, while the mainstream church sues everyone for preventing them for practicing their "religion."

tracy
tracy

I have to agree.  I'm not sure I feel sorry for her as much as I love watching Scientologists eat up Scientologists.  You can't deny that you love routing for her to destroy Scientology.  The thing she loves the most.  Similar to how I loved the Squirrel Busters!!  Marty and Mike SOOOOO deserved that karma.  They invented it!!!

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

 I didn't expect the temporary order to be heard before the original hearing date but I think it was important that they filed the motion to clarify on record what they can do. That way Scientology's lawyer cannot try again to stop or delay the Cook's in preparing for the case.

Marty and Mike better produce for this case 100% or get out because this case cannot be used as a showboat for their agenda. If that happens, the Cook's will suffer. That said, here's to lots of corroboration about the gag orders, which many of us here know are done under duress after weeks or months of intensive 'ethics' and security check brainwashing.

I bet Debbie has some damaging information to reveal. Lets hope it's made public!

hallowed-be-no-name
hallowed-be-no-name

"Marty and Mike better produce for this case 100% or get out because this case cannot be used as a showboat for their agenda."

Debbie wanted to handle the off-beat church activities cited in her letter internally. When the church filed suit, they effectively cut that line for her to do so. And when her legal defense team involved Rath/Rin, this affirms to co$ scientologists she did become a squirrel. And that's all they needed to do to dead-agent Debbie's letter. Co$ don't care about getting any money or winning any case, as it gives plenty of time meanwhile to PR-roast Debbie internally.

Even when the church loses a case, the IAS will reg money for an appeal which may drag out for a decade and then never hear anything about it again. The church already achieved what they wanted to achieve.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

I get your point. For the few scientologists that exisit these days, many of them were dead-agented soon after the email arrived. Debbie was dead-agented long before Marty and Mike inserted themselves into this case. She was labeled a squirrel by CoS before Marty even mentioned her on his blog.... The day she emailed that thing out was the day the clinched her future. She didn't need Marty and Mike to get an SP declare... or a lawsuit filed.

So M&M started collecting legal defense money for her before any case existed. Perhaps they even found her an attorney. However, I cannot imagine her even communicating with either of them then or now. At this point, as long as they don't use her for their independent agenda, they can help all they want because she is gonna need whatever help she can get.

I try to take a pragmatic view of things but I am also a person with faith and hope. Please see the responses above for further understanding of my point of view on this.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

I just wonder...

She clearly does not want to go to war against "Scientology" per se... but DM "is" Scientology... for now.  So just what and where are they going to go with this? .. is it purely a defensive action... or will there be some punitive forays into what kinds of violations of her civil rights have occurred and paving the way for a counter civil suit?

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Who knows? We don't know who was there when she and Wayne signed these and perhaps there is a witness who has since left and is willing to speak up? Maybe a video tape? Whatever it is, it will be related to the depraved condition they were in when forced to sign these. They were not allowed legal council. The documents are not notorized. There is no name below the CoS rep. Whoever it was will eventually be deposed if they can get to that point. I believe the court will allow this to go to trial and as such, much will come out that Miscavige will regret.  

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Nice reply. Thanks.The "How" question with the Courts is the tough one...But there should be some kind of 'Litmus' hearing where people can respond to being sued without having to pay fee's or "Lawyer Up"... something where those kinds of legal action are obviously designed as harassing an individual with costly lawsuits that everyone knows will just be thrown out or denied... and then they do it again and again... as we all see here fully documented at Tony O's place.

Note: Once I mentioned the word "Justice" to my cousin and his eyes rolled back so far I could see his retinal cords... and this guy leads a 3,500 headcount firm.... that is what Law looks like in America... and at that level it is all Politics... again, look at the number of Lawyers who have seats in Congress.

Also, the Law is arranged where the balance of power goes to the person who is "Bringing the Claim" ... not to the person defending.

Again, I have read numerous postings about how Scientologist's do not litigate against each other in court... Really?.... There simply are no higher ranking and profiled people in Scientology than those who are and have been in litigation with the church/DM.

Why Debbie is doing what she is doing and how she is doing it, I feel still has everything to do with what she believes a True Scientologist is about.

 Obviously, she is not buying into that bullshit about how you can ONLY be a scientologist if you are in and under the dominion of Miscavige and HIS church.

But again, all those living in the detached and isolated universe of the church will be bombarded with Black PR about Debbie.... which of course will be a 'reverse' of truth and reality...most likely.

I have mentioned the RICO Act before and I do recall how Messengers from Flag or wherever were sent around the world to hold special emergency briefings about this legislation when it passed and became law.The "spin" they presented was that RICO was sold as a tool for federal law enforcement to go after the Mafia... but they said it was really created to attack Scientology.

And of course who has been invoking this law against it's perceived enemies... the Church of Scientology..

 The Internet HAS AND IS the worst nightmare Scientology has ever had because it allows true Peer-2-Peer Communication.... which is oddly what scientology claims it is all about.

SOPA is just what DM is praying for because then he can go after every Internet site that posts so called "scripture" or any inside "priviliged" information about the church as copyright violations and trade secrets... and "go after" means using Federal Law to fine and imprison ...

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Good comment there,Tye. Your super lawyer cousin is right and so are you. Yes, the laws should be adjusted but how?. People signing away their rights do so for many reasons, and usually because a lawyer convinces them it's the best thing to do  - take the money and run -  or get out and away from the insanity of this - case which is what they want to do in the first place.

Never the less, these cases open up the door for many other things, like revealing information the church does not want revealed or people being deposed like Tommy Davis or who ever worked on this, even Miscavige ( who will not allow himself to be deposed at any cost.) The more information that comes from thiscase, the better it is for informing people of the dangers of this cult. I thought it was foolish for Debbie to speak upknowing she d=signed this thing but we do not know all that she is going to tell as her reasons for doing so... and well, at this point, when you get lemons, you make lemonaide. Remember, the church has avoided lawsuits over the last 7 yrs or so because of the bad PR .....If they were really at war, there would be lots of copyright violation filings flying around and there aren't.  They are afraid of the internet, the media, the critics and the independents.  We have won that war hands down....

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

I don't think they want to reveal the videotapes and probably will do whatever they can to avoid it. You cannot force people to appear happy when they sign these things & you cannot hide exhaustion or fear on the faces of people as they sign these things. it's a pretty tacky looking doc and from my experience with Narconon victioms and settlement agreements, this was not done professionally with any attorneys around. I bet they didn't even videotape the witnesses. They certainly forgot to get witness signature. They even forgot to put down the name of the CoS representative who signed it.   So, we shall see how far it goes and if the tape is revealed.

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Wow.  Thanks Mary.

My cousin is a super lawyer. We are the same age and even look alike. He is a lawyer to the billionaires.

So I start talking to him about "Individual Rights" and his eyes just glaze over with a wan smile underneath... so I stop talking and ask how he looks at it..

"We have a saying in the Firm... 'Rights are for Serfs'....."   well, I am not surewhat to make of this, so while he is watching my reaction ... it dawns on me.

Bringing a claim to court with a desirable outcome is all that matters.

And the process is 'expensive' ...not for people without financial means.

He follows up with "just don't go to court against someone wealthy.. they can make your life hell... for a long time"...

None of this is "News" to someone following Scientology...

But it underscores how we need change in the court system... it is so well known and accepted that individuals or groups of wealth can virtually eliminate or ignore the rights of a citizen of lesser financial means by knowing the extent of their ability to challenge them in the court system...

It all goes back to the first question I asked of a Sea Org executive from Flag.

"Why is it so expensive"... I asked.

"Because we are at WAR... and it is expensive"...he answered.

Scientology is always at War. That is their stock and trade.

grundoon
grundoon

 The signings are videotaped.

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

For a second there I thought you meant GLAD, like in Glad garbage bags, lol

Seriously, that would not be such a bad idea.  Good for mentioning it.

sizzle8
sizzle8

Maybe a representative from GLAAD will comment on how Miscavige made Debbie stand in a trash can with a sign of "LESBO" around her neck.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Isn't that considered a hate crime?

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