Scientology vs Debbie Cook, Day 2: More Live-Blogging by the Voice

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We're heading down to the courthouse now to begin talking to folks before the action heats up again.

Yesterday afternoon, Bexar County district judge Martha Tanner said that she'd begin day 2 of the temporary injunction hearing at 9:30 am, CST.

If you're just joining us, the Church of Scientology is suing one of its former high-ranking officials, Debbie Cook, and her husband, Wayne Baumgarten, who live here in San Antonio. Cook was something of a legend inside Scientology, and for many was the "face" of the religion. But her final couple of years, she testified yesterday, featured confinement and degradation on an almost unbelievable scale. She says she gladly signed a draconian non-disclosure agreement and accepted $50,000 in payment simply in order to get away from the church. Then, this past New Year's Eve, she sent out an e-mail to thousands of her fellow church members, complaining in part about how Scientology, under leader David Miscavige, is too focused on "extreme fundraising."

The church sued two weeks ago, saying that by sending out that e-mail, she'd violated her agreement. The church was granted a temporary restraining order which has run out, and is now seeking a temporary injunction that would keep Cook gagged until a trial could be held. Ironically, that resulted, yesterday, in Cook testifying to horrible things she never even brought up in the e-mail. So much for gagging her. Her testimony, under questioning from her attorney Ray Jeffrey, will continue this morning, and we'll be there, giving you live updates...

First update, 7:55 am, CST. Rainy day here in San Antonio. Heading over to the courtroom now with an umbrella that might not really be up to the task. But what I'm thinking about this morning is how we're going to get everything done today. Ray Jeffrey was getting close to the end of his examination of his client, Debbie Cook, as we finished yesterday. But even if he wraps that up early this morning, won't George Spencer, the church's attorney, get a chance to re-examine her? And then, the church has indicated that it has a witness to testify -- one of its own attorneys -- and Jeffrey still has three: Debbie's husband Wayne Baumgarten, as well as Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder.

Will all that get done today with a ruling from Judge Tanner? I sure hope so.


9:10 am. Just had a conversation with San Antonio Express-News reporter John MacCormack outside the courtroom. I really have to give him credit for making an observation in his story yesterday that I echoed in my own piece last night: if the Church of Scientology wanted to keep Debbie Cook quiet, it went about so in the worst possible way.

You have to wonder what's left of this case at this point. With Cook's sworn testimony to the horrible way high-ranking officials in Scientology were treated at Int Base, the way defectors are tracked down and hounded, and the sadistic way she was treated by David Miscavige, what's the point of a continuing injunction, or even the lawsuit itself?

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In place, ready to go. Judge Tanner still hearing other matters as the TV cameras are setting up.

9:30 am. The gang's all here. Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten are at the defendants' table, Scientology's attorneys have filed in, and folks are beginning to fill the seats.

BREAKING: SCIENTOLOGY WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR TEMPORARY INJUNCTION -- DEBBIE COOK IS UNGAGGED

George Spencer started proceedings by addressing Judge Tanner, saying that Cook had made "false and misleading statements" about the church yesterday, that she has done "irreparable harm to our client."

"As we feared, the defendant has used the courtroom to...violate the agreement. She disparaged numerous officials not involved in this case."

"The extreme falsity of her testimony is shown by the simple fact that she didn't have a positive thing to say about any of the people she worked with..." he said.

Cook had "destroyed the value of the temporary injunction," and therefore the church was withdrawing its request for one.

WOW.

Everyone in the court is stunned. Jeffrey asked for a short recess to talk things over with Cook and Baumgarten and then they'll reconvene.

Joe Childs looked at me and gave me a look that said, "Can you believe it?"

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One of the people in the audience: Steve Hall, who runs an excellent Scientology blog.

Ray Jeffrey and his clients, Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten, are back in court. Scientology's attorneys are still huddling outside.


9:55 am. Jeffrey is saying that he wants to continue his examination of Cook on the record because he wanted to address her signing the NDA.

Spencer says the court can't continue: "This thing is over."

Tanner decides to allow Jeffrey to describe what Cook would testify to if she allows it to continue.

AND IT IS DONE.

Jeffrey came and spoke to us for a minute. I caught it on video, so I'll post that a little later. For now we're clearing out of here, and it may be a while before I have a connection again. But we'll be trying to get an interview with Debbie and Wayne later today.


12:30 pm. The Church has sent out a public statement about today's decision to withdraw their request for an injunction. I'm putting it here in its entirety...

The only reason the Church brought suit against Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten and sought a preliminary injunction was to uphold the agreement they made not to make disparaging statements about the Scientology religion, Churches of Scientology, its ecclesiastical officials and parishioners. The Church demanded such covenants from Cook for good and sufficient reason: Cook in the past had made similar false and misleading statements and the Church feared that she would do so again.

The Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization has withdrawn its motion for preliminary injunction to preclude the court being used further as a forum for the defendants to violate the rights of the Church and its members with more false and disparaging statements. At the same time, Church counsel is pleased that Ms. Cook has admitted to the facts confirming both her agreement and the irreparable harm caused to the Church through her actions. The Church will use this evidence to seek Summary Judgment against Ms. Cook and her husband.

Using the court to disparage dedicated Church officials who are not even part of this matter is yet another example of the bitter hate campaign Ms. Cook is engaged in, much like the apostates she has joined. It is also evident from her testimony that the entire purpose of violating her agreement is to extort the Church for more money. The Church refuses to let her continue under the guise of judicial privilege to falsely disparage the Church. Further statements in violation of their agreements by Cook and her husband will increase the damages they will ultimately have to pay. The extreme falsity of Cook's statements is evident from the simple fact that, incredibly, in three hours of testimony she did not have a positive statement to make about anyone she ever encountered in her decades long Scientology career. Moreover, true or false, her statement about Church staff clearly violates the ministerial privilege. The Church fully intends to use its ecclesiastical procedures grounded in Church Scripture to expose both Cook's false testimony and her ecclesiastical transgressions.

Cook's agreement makes clear that all disputes Cook and her husband may have had were to be presented to the Church's International Justice Chief for ecclesiastical resolution, and failing that, to arbitration. Cook failed to do either further breaching her agreement.

Cook and Baumgarten have improperly used the court proceeding to entangle the court in fundamental ecclesiastical matters that it must avoid under the First Amendment. Courts cannot interfere with ecclesiastical ethics and justice proceedings even were Cook's one-sided revisionist history true. She has already been expelled from the Church and a court may not interfere with that without violating the First Amendment. For over a century, the Supreme Court has made clear that courts must abstain from examining matters, which concern church discipline. Just last month, in a unanimous decision in the Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC (132 S.Ct. 694, 704 (January 12, 2012)), the Supreme Court reaffirmed the prohibition of judicial interference with religious liberties and the power to determine matters of discipline, faith, internal organization and explained why it is blatantly unconstitutional.

The proceedings in this Court yesterday clearly violated these proscriptions.

Ms. Cook left the Church clergy over four years ago. Since her departure, the Church has expanded many times over - and particularly where she served in Clearwater. The expansion is coincident with her departure. She has no knowledge of the Church today. She has not attended Church in years as a parishioner and has become a squirrel or a heretic. It is evident that Ms. Cook is extremely bitter that she is no longer part of the Church.

The Church has always been true to L. Ron Hubbard's teachings. Ms. Cook was expelled from the Church for violating Scripture. She and her fellow bitter apostates will never enter a Church of Scientology again.

The ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion has dedicated more than 30 years of selfless service for the good of the religion and ten thousand staff and millions of parishioners applaud that service. Further information is available at Scientology.org.


Debbie Cook Coverage in the Village Voice...

January 1: Scientology rocked by allegations of greed in e-mail to 12,000 church members

January 3: Is Scientology imploding? Watching the panic after a former executive dares to question church management

January 4: Scientology in crisis: Debbie Cook's transformation from enforcer to whistleblower

January 6: Scientology in turmoil: Debbie Cook's e-mail, annotated

January 31: Scientology sues Debbie Cook over her New Year's Eve e-mail

February 2: Debbie Cook files to dissolve Scientology's temporary restraining order: We talk to her attorney, Ray Jeffrey

February 3: Debbie Cook's motion denied: Scientology's restraining order remains in place until Thursday hearing

February 4: Scientology wants it both ways: The church's opposite legal strategies in Florida and Texas

Also, please see our primer, "What is Scientology?"


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

tortega@villagevoice.com | @VoiceTonyO | Facebook: Tony Ortega

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Kava
Kava

Congratulations on your anniversary.

Darinjazz2
Darinjazz2

David Miscavige needs to go to prison for his crimes!!! Hundreds of so called APOSTATES have" colluded to create stories about his violence ", I don't think so! Public opinion is fast turning against Miscavige's vulgar, common, little mind. Debbie Cook is telling the truth and Miscavige's days are numbered!

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

Debbie wasn't out of the church of scientology when she sent the email. She was no longer in the Sea Org and was not a staff member but she was a public scientologist and so part of the church.

The church of scientology has an official policy regarding the ex-communicating people that should make the precise date of her being expelled from the church a matter of record, golden rod record.

The email contained only eccllesiastical arguments and was only intended for others within the church of scientology.

The email was an ecclesiastical matter that criticised the ecclesiastical running of the church of scientology based on the religious teachings of L Ron Hubbard.

There was no mention of the non-ecclesiastical violence, torture, false imprisonment and mental and physical abuse in the original email.

All the non ecclesiastical stuff only came out as part of the defence the church of scientology compelled Debbie to make when they sued her.

This case is probably going to unfold slowlyas the church of scientology will try attrition. I know this might be harsh for Debbie but it promises to deal a slew of foot bullets.

Reasonable_Insanity
Reasonable_Insanity

I can't wait to see what happens next week.

How bout every one else? 

Jonhenke
Jonhenke

Clearly, Scientology practices the "hey, everybody, think of something bad to say and I'll put it in our statement" approach to press releases.

This is appallingly bad. Press releases are rarely very good, but it's not often that it's this bad. It's as if they're actively trying to be unlikable.

Wait. Scientology's PR Department. They're secretly critics who have infiltrated the Church of Scuentology in order to take it down from the inside. That's the only way to explain this.

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Jojo Wozz

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Hatchune Shun
Hatchune Shun

The cult decides to go running home when they realized they cant win.Pity.

Frolix8
Frolix8

A reflection on Scientology's press release.

In law school they teach you:

-- if you don't have the facts, argue the law-- if you don't have the law argue policy-- if you don't have policy, good luck

wheresshelley?
wheresshelley?

Reading the list of contradictions in the official church statement gave me whiplash. I may have to sue. 

TickTockDM
TickTockDM

Scientology finally seems to checkmated in a "damned if you sue, damned if you don't" position. 

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

I hope Cook takes part in the "Knowledge Report" movie coming out later this year.

The footage of her testifying in court should also be included I think :)

robinlandseadel
robinlandseadel

"The ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion"

. . . is a lying, sadistic sack of shit.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

Tony is interviewing Debbie Cook and her husband - new posting !! AMAZEBALLS

DM_is_my_b1tch
DM_is_my_b1tch

 Where?  Can't find it.   Link?

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

go over to the village voice - i had a brain fart but it is on the front page after you hit the News button ;)

FoolMeNoMore
FoolMeNoMore

Here we go again......  The she "is a bitter apostate thing".... same-ole, same-ole.

Scientology has developed a "revisionist" dictionary and have redefined apostate as being anyone who will not - STFU, salute and do what they are Fing told to. 

Another thing; The Church using language like "apostate and heretic" bring up visions in my mind of religious figure-heads killing people (burning at the stake) who do not "believe". It exposes them as the fanatical bigoted group that they are. 

Barbara Snow
Barbara Snow

 Ha... she is one of many, many "bitter apostates."  Do they think no one will ask what these people have to be bitter about?

LocalSP1
LocalSP1

Several years ago, just before the release of the Tom Cruise scientologist video came out and Cruise was going crazy on Oprah and the Today show, I posted on a forum saying: "Wouldn't it be funny if it turns out that Cruise would be the downfall of scientology." And now look where we are are. lol.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

I am imagining Tony interview Debbie Cook and her husband. Oh the joy . 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

It's happening right now!  Speaking of which, this comment thread has gotten unwieldy...I'm heading over to the Interview thread.  We can resume our conversation (and watching the turtle spinning on its back) over there.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

where the heck is the interview thread ! 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Kim, go to the main VV Running Scared page - Tony just started it.  :)  Or, go to his page on Facebook, he posted a link there!

PickAnotherID
PickAnotherID

I think they bailed because they DID NOT want a decision from the judge declaring the NDA null and void due to duress. That would pretty much have scuttled their main case before it ever got off the ground.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

IANAL, but I don't think that was a possibility in this hearing.  This hearing was solely about whether or not to extend the gag order.  It wasn't about the NDA at all...that trial hasn't begun yet. 

bobx
bobx

You are correct.  They only dropped the request for a restraining order forbidding her to talk until the trial.  They insist they will still fight to enforce the NDA, and "a decision from the judge declaring the NDA null and void due to duress" is precisely what they are going to get.

Fredric L. Rice
Fredric L. Rice

Of course that violent insane crime boss out at Gold Base may have heard that the murderer of Lisa McPherson Mike Rinder was ready to give testimony and the dwarf shit his underoos and ordered his fellow criminals to stop the hearing any way they could before Rinder could be examined. 

Fredric L. Rice
Fredric L. Rice

So once David Miscaviage heard that Debbie was describing the  violent insane crime boss's crimes and human rights abuses, Miscaviage ordered his lawyers to try to shut her up by ungagging her. Man, thse shitting Scientology crooks are utterly fucking insane. 

Guest
Guest

"Cook's agreement makes clear that all disputes Cook and her husband may have had were to be presented to the Church's International Justice Chief for ecclesiastical resolution, and failing that, to arbitration." 

Contradict yourself much Scientology? If Ms. Cook was expelled from the Church, then she can hardly be subject of "ecclesiastical" resolution of a Church she is not a member of? The whole point about religious courts is that they adjudicate conflicts between two members of the the same religion, who submit themselves to the judgement of that religious order voluntarily. Not between a religion and somebody who no longer accepts the ecclesiasity of such religion. Sorry clams. Wog laws apply here.

 Thetan-X
Thetan-X

Their (CoS) entire statement is one monumental contradiction, who did they get to write that up? Gilligan ?

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

If Debbie Cook considered herself an active member when she sent out the email and from her standpoint is still an active member in good standing (unless she got her SP Declare) then why did Scientology not follow their own agreement and use ecclesiastical resolution?  Their statement makes no sense and they didn't follow it themselves, which invalidates that statement.

I hope the attorneys for the Cult realize, finally, what they've gotten themselves into.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Excellent point.  She's out of the church, so why would she preset herself for ecclesiastical resolution of anything?  Morons.

Jean
Jean

What a load of baloney.

"The Church fully intends to use its ecclesiastical procedures grounded in Church Scripture to expose both Cook's false testimony and her ecclesiastical transgressions"These people make me sick.  It sound like they are totally bailing on this, and will drop their case on "ecclesiastical" principles.  Gag.

DM_is_my_b1tch
DM_is_my_b1tch

Time for the FBI to investigate, properly. DM's Scn needs to be closed down and he ought to be in prison.  RICO statutes? 

There are enough former staff and public who will swear under oath (penalty of perjury) of the crimes perpetrated by DM.  Where is law enforcement?  This is not purely a judicial matter; innocents are still being harmed by DM's Scn today. 

Postcript: I have much love, respect, and admiration for Debbie.  I hope you come out of this mess on top -- you deserve it. 

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

OOHHH - that is going to be a tough one not to respond to . I will also throw in an image of DM masturbating 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Okay now ya lost me!  EWWWWW!!!!!

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

stay with me sista!!  ;) 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

Only if you promise NEVER to promise THAT to me again! ;-)

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

"The Church has always been true to L. Ron Hubbard's teachings."

OK.  So this means that the daily beatings of upper management personnel is a Holy Rite commanded and condoned by L. Ron Hubbard.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

In reading that church response, I personally stand by my opinion that this was the COS's intention all along:  to be able to lump Debbie in with the other "bitter apostates" bent on ruining the church.  I think this response makes it clear that was what they wanted to do all along.  It also confirms that they plan on following LRH's Fair Game policy, and pursue their case against Debbie...which, at this point, clearly is solely for the purpose of ruination.

It occurred to me, however, that it was rather disingenuous of them to suggest that she's speaking out for the purpose of getting more money.  Really?  How?  Seems to me at this point the only people trying to get more money are the COS themselves, trying to get the US courts to give them $300,000 of DEBBIE'S money for violating the NDA!  Where is Debbie's effort to get more money?  That makes no sense to me.

DM_is_my_b1tch
DM_is_my_b1tch

You give DM's too much credit.  He can't plan 3 min ahead.  All he knows is to puff up a like a rooster and threaten people, which was the knee-jerk reaction to her email (which made not one single critical remark about Scn or LRH).   Lies and spin are all that public statement was. 

Gerard Plourde
Gerard Plourde

I don't disagree with your analysis of their intent. I just wonder if they may have played that card once too often especially in light of your observation regarding the enrichment argument they're also using.

1subgenius
1subgenius

Drinking game from yesterday: "apostates"=shot.

Kim O'Brien
Kim O'Brien

I throw in strippers if you do not respond to windhover ...same DO douchbag from yesterday ')

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

"The Church has sent out a public statement about today's decision to withdraw their request for an injunction."

What part of "Thou Shall Not Whine" do they not understand?

Guest
Guest

and this:  "Courts cannot interfere with ecclesiastical ethics and justice proceedings even were Cook's one-sided revisionist history true"

Just fu**ing, goddamn Wrong, Miscavige.  You commit crimes, you go to jail, no matter what delusional title you have bestowed on you and your little dog, too.  You and your marching order lieutenants can wear your fake holy collars all day long.

You are all still criminals.   Criminals.  Look it up in the friggin' Real dictionary, you slimeball idiots.  Your Reign of Terror is Over.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

OMG I was JUST about to post the same thing!  I couldn't help but laugh at their "statement".  What a load of transparent poppycock.  But it's all just so entertaining!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

LOL! And what's up with the word "ecclesiastical?" Ecclesiastical this, ecclesiastical that, ecclesiastical, ecclesiastical, ecclesiastical!!! LMAO!

1subgenius
1subgenius

Reference "Alice in Wonderland": "Words mean only what we say they mean."

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

And that's more of their transparent efforts to wrap this thing up in the First Amendment.  But these efforts will fail.  Especially when THEY are the ones who brought suit against Debbie, trying on the one hand to use the US courts to enforce their demands, while on the other hand trying to invalidate the court's involvement by shrieking "ecclesiastical, ecclesiastical, ecclesiastical!" at the top of their lungs.

So hilarious and fun to watch!  It's truly riveting.

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