Vi Simpson: The Woman Who Punked The Radical Republicans in the Indiana State Senate and Their Creationist Bill

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After interviewing Vi Simpson, the Indiana State Senate Minority Leader, I'm wondering why the hell I haven't already seen this woman on national television or in the mainstream press.

I hope you see what I mean after you hear what she had to say about the way she crippled the latest Creationism-in-the-schools bill with a brilliant stratagem: by convincing the radical Republicans in the Indiana State Senate that if they want to teach Christianity in the schools, they're also going to have to teach Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Scientology.

The Democrat, who represents a district centered on Bloomington, says she was just trying to come up with a way to deal with a religious crusade at the state capitol.

"We have elected a lot of folks, particularly in 2010, who have fundamentalist Christian backgrounds and what I consider a radical agenda of imposing their beliefs on others," she says.

The latest onslaught was a bill sponsored by Republican Senator Dennis Kruse, just the latest of attempts around the country to get equal time for Creationism in science classrooms. (Such laws are routinely ruled unconstitutional, but that never seems to hinder young-Earth activists. I have also put in a call with Senator Kruse.)

"The bill was originally talking about 'Creationist Science,' and I thought that was a bit of an oxymoron," Simpson says. "I wanted to draft an amendment that would do two things. First, it would remove it from the science realm. And second, school boards and the state of Indiana should not be in the business of promoting one religion over another."

Simpson says that she had learned about world religions in school, and considered it a valuable experience. "But I think of it as literature or philosophy," she says. "I wanted to clarify that if they wanted to teach Christianity, they should teach other religions as well."

When the bill was on its second reading in the Senate, at a time when anyone can propose an amendment, Simpson offered this wording...

The governing body of a school corporation may offer instruction on various theories of the origin of life. The curriculum for the course must include theories from multiple religions, which may include, but is not limited to, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Scientology.

I asked her why, of all things, she included Scientology.

"I wish it was something more dramatic, but what I did was I asked some of our staff people to do a little research and to come up with the major religions that might have differing ideas about the origin of life. And Scientology was on that list they came up with, and so it got added to the amendment."

(Scientology, a major religion? I can see I'll have to send Senator Simpson a link to our story, "Scientologists: How many of them are there, anyway?" In that story we examine the evidence which suggests that there are only about 40,000 active Scientologists in the entire world, despite the church's outrageous claims to tens of millions of members.)

Simpson's amendment was a brilliant attempt to sabotage the bill. By adding in other religions (Islam, in Indiana!), her wording would probably make the bill completely unattractive to local school boards, who are under no obligation to follow its suggestion anyway.

"I was a bit surprised that it was adopted, to tell you the truth," she says.

Were the Republicans simply too dense to figure out that they had joined a majority to water down their own bill, I asked. Was Dennis Kruse, the sponsor, unaware of what was going on?

"Well, he supported my amendment. I can't imagine that we were on the same page, but he came up to me afterwards and he said, 'Now that we supported your amendment, are you going to support the bill?' No, I don't think so," she says with a laugh.

"I still voted against the bill. I think it's unacceptable to be dictating to local school boards that kind of curriculum."

It was Scientology's inclusion that caught our eye and put us on to this story earlier today. I asked Simpson if, when she proposed the amendment, she was familiar with L. Ron Hubbard's wild stories of human development on this planet, including our infestation by disembodied alien souls.

"I was not, but some people have done some research in the last 24 hours. It turns out that it is kind of an interesting story. And interestingly enough, I've received some complaints from people in the state, who are asking me why I left out Native American religion and some others. It turns out there are a lot of religions we could have included!"

So what's going to happen to this bill now that it's passed the Indiana senate?

"I offered that amendment because I wanted to get the bill out of the science category, and secondly because I wanted to give school board members some pause, to get them thinking about what kinds of things would come up in the classroom, and that they wouldn't be able to get away with only a Christian or a Genesis perspective.

"That was my intent. How it's going to play out I can't tell you," she says. "The author of the bill seems to think I improved it. If the amendment stays in the bill, I think it will give school boards reason not to adopt it."

From here, the bill goes to a House committee and then the full House. As in the Senate, further amendments can change it.

"My own personal hope is that the bill has some kind of demise of one kind or another," Simpson says. "My number one intention is to kill the bill or at least kill the effectiveness of it."

I thanked Senator Simpson for our conversation, and I'm left with the question: Rachel Maddow, why haven't you had this woman on your show yet?


Tony Ortega is the editor-in-chief of The Village Voice. Since 1995, he's been writing about Scientology at several publications.

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RM
RM

I had the honor of interning for Sen. Simpson during my senior year of college. I'm glad she's final getting some recognition for how amazing she is!

Life Lessons
Life Lessons

Why yes that is my state rep and you bet she always gets my vote! go Vi!!!

Out and about
Out and about

I like scientology, but I dont like the way the church operates. I think this lady is a genius. Kudos to all angles present, but thought a concise rep for indies was missing. I guess I am a fundamental heuristivist as I haven't studied "everything" yet but I use what works, and refuse to believe what doesn't (I also make up my own words, prefectorily and suffixillary speaking).

Hoosier Teacherson
Hoosier Teacherson

Senator Simpson has done a brilliant thing.  The legislation was authored by, YEC, Senator Dennis Kruse with the intent of teaching creationism in science class.   http://blogs.indystar.com/educ... 

His statements reflect his lack of understanding of the distinction between Darwin and "the origin of life".  In other words, he never listened in science class. I've taught biology for 15 years and I recognize when someone fails to listen/learn..

If you want your kids to learn that dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, were on the Ark, were all tame herbivores, and that the Earth is a few thousand years old.... have at it.   But....that nonsense does not belong in SCIENCE class.  In science, we study the natural world and seek to offer natural explanations for natural phenomena.   We do not invoke the supernatural, such as a "godly" cause for anything, everything, or nothing.   These stupid people ignore any and all scientific evidence which does not fit with their literal interpretation of a book written by humans who were ignorant to science.  Those people didn't even know that North and South America existed.  How can they be experts on matters o science?  These YEC hocus pocus folks are no more correct than the church was when it claimed as "Biblical Fact") that the Earth was the center of the Universe....contrary to the confirmations of Copernicus made by Galileo.  Stop letting these people hijack the education of our society when they can only see the world though a straw.

Personally, I can't wait for the lesson on the "peopling of the Earth" where we attempt to justify the morality of conceiving children with one's own relatives (Genesis 19).   That should be a dandy!  

Senator Simpson made sure language included, "but is not limited to", which is the REALLY BRILLIANT part.  Scientology aside....  be prepared for anything and everything....  literally.The Christian "story" of origins will only take 6 days, even if taught in REAL TIME.  That leaves 174 more days.  YOU LOSE!  

Hoosier Teacherson
Hoosier Teacherson

Senator Simpson has done a brilliant thing.  The legislation was authored by, YEC, Senator Dennis Kruse with the intent of teaching creationism in science class.   

http://blogs.indystar.com/educ... 

His statements reflect his lack of understanding of the distinction between Darwin and "the origin of life".  In other words, he never listened in science class. I've taught biology for 15 years and I recognize when someone fails to listen/learn..

If you want your kids to learn that dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, were on the Ark, were all tame herbivores, and that the Earth is a few thousand years old.... have at it.   But....that nonsense does not belong in SCIENCE class.  In science, we study the natural world and seek to offer natural explanations for natural phenomena.   We do not invoke the supernatural, such as a "godly" cause for anything, everything, or nothing.   These stupid people ignore any and all scientific evidence which does not fit with their literal interpretation of a book written by humans who were ignorant to science.  Those people didn't even know that North and South America existed.  How can they be experts on matters o science?  These YEC hocus pocus folks are no more correct than the church was when it claimed as "Biblical Fact") that the Earth was the center of the Universe....contrary to the confirmations of Copernicus made by Galileo.  Stop letting these people hijack the education of our society when they can only see the world though a straw.

Personally, I can't wait for the lesson on the "peopling of the Earth" where we attempt to justify the morality of conceiving children with one's own relatives (Genesis 19).   That should be a dandy!  

Senator Simpson made sure language included, "but is not limited to", which is the REALLY BRILLIANT part.  Scientology aside....  be prepared for anything and everything....  literally.The Christian "story" of origins will only take 6 days, even if taught in REAL TIME.  That leaves 174 more days.  YOU LOSE!  

guest
guest

All Scientology is= A science FICTION writers story enacted out by its readers ,( main Author now is DM) . A Monster of a Story which is now out of control and on the loose in the press for all too see . Appeals to the Egos of those that want to better themselves and become Super Heros.       Revised Addition out soon what this space.

Victoria Merida
Victoria Merida

What. The. Hell. Okay, I get why they insist evolution is a theory, I can concede on that. But CARBON DATING IS NOT A THEORY! You can't have limestone that's millions of years old if the world is only a few thousand years old! I swear! It's one face palm after another with these people!

Dean Cameron
Dean Cameron

Why include Rachel Maddow? She is just as awful as Bill O'Reilly. Keeping religion out of government schools isn't an issue belonging solely to the radical left. It is a basic concept.

Guest
Guest

My newest hero.

California
California

It is great to have a skilled legislator with a sense of humor and style.  Vi Simpson has pulled it off.  I hope that when the House gets the bill, that the local Native American creation belief systems are also included.

One comment about the impact of this bill is significant to this discussion:  this bill does not have the force of law within the Indiana state department of education curriculum department.  That is the body that approves the curriculums taught in public schools in Indiana.  Generally, the creationists across the country are stopped in their push by an evaluation of the proposed curriculum against the state standards of science:  and creationism does not pass.  Now, most boards of education do just adopt the state educational standards but sometimes boards of education do try to push a creationism curriculum anyway and, this day-and-age, get stopped.  

This is a presidential election year and many very right wing groups are pushing their educational agendas.  This is just one volley in a long-standing battle. 

Raymond Hill
Raymond Hill

"I asked her why, of all things, she included Scientology"

I seriously thought it had something to do with Scientology being the most disliked religion as per 2008 Gallup poll:http://www . gallup . com/poll/106516/Americans-NetPositive-View-US-Catholics.aspx(remove spaces)

Why_not?
Why_not?

It boggles my mind why anyone would think teaching creationism in a science class would help their cause, rather than bring greater doubt to its veracity. We science teachers are all about the "scientific method" and our students, who are fast becoming good little critical thinkers would call us out over this. On the other hand, I would love the opportunity to teach scientology theories in a science class. It would be the best class of the year. Students, please copy down the following definitions for debunk, Xenu, etc. Joey, cue up that youtube video.

Soupergenius
Soupergenius

It was a nice try but what is the definition of multiple religions? What if the school board picks Judaism and Christianity? Two = multiple? Two religions - one story? They are tricky and deceitful those evangelicals - you can't give them a loop hole.

Hartley Patterson
Hartley Patterson

I recall President Bush Jr ran into the same problem with his 'faith groups' inititiative - people were asking if Scientology front groups would get federal money too.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

KaaaaBoooOOM!

Seattle Times:

French court upholds Scientology fraud conviction

A French appeals court on Thursday upheld the Church of Scientology's 2009 fraud conviction on charges it pressured members into paying large sums for questionable remedies.

koki raki
koki raki

here in LRHs Bulgravia,we only have Scientology in school...(and rise and beans for food)

Torychristman
Torychristman

Oh the Scientologists are thrilled with this. They don't care what they Implications are....when I was "in", and working with some--their KEY #1 goal was to be "Thought of as a *real* religion". So? Now they're in with the big boys----and many have already made the other points. This Mafia-like organization is in the same category as the others? I'm sorry---I don't care how you feel about what should and should not be taught in school: "The Church of Scientology" IS a mafia-like organization AND a flat out business which rips people off, lies to them, breaks up families, uses bully tactics on X-members and tries to stop free speech. Google Scientology+Judges and read what some of the Judges who have been in court with them have to say. (spit) Scientology----you will not ever, ever "win". You create your own enemies, every day, every way. Thank the Net and friends..... I'm out of there!!! :) Tory/Magoo

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

David Miscavige WILL include this Indiana "win" in his next epic speech. Then, the video with it will be leaked and the internet/world will laugh so hard,even the Oiliness machine in the Super Power building will need to be oiled up. 

JustCallMeMary
JustCallMeMary

Scientology - an interesting story? A major religion? Hmmmm. Scientology a legitimate major religion that is interesting?  All that glitters is not gold

Yeppir
Yeppir

Conflating the study of the scientific theory of evolution - whether one believes it or not - with the study of various religious philosophies' beliefs on how humans came to walk this earth is a little like an English teacher assigning her class to read a pot of boiling water, then write a 1000 word essay on its use of sentence structure. It's as stupid as my analogy is.

I think our country's founders would be dismayed at how far astray from their ideals, immortalized in our constitution and its amendments, we have gone. I know I am.

Evangelicals: Stop foisting your religion on my children and me!

Mimi Armagh Parrow
Mimi Armagh Parrow

 Here, in the great state of Indiana, you can count on a few things without doubt. Indiana is a landslide of Republican bible thumpers that will disregard all rational thought to pursue their goal, which in this case is dictating that our educational system be invaded by religious beliefs in many varieties.

It was an outstanding and spectacular move by Vi Simpson to have Scientology  added into the mix. This is the midwestern bible belt, Islam is looked down upon and Scientology is UNHEARD OF. I kid you not, *I* might be the only one in these parts  that actually knows what it really is and it is a safe assumption that most know it for Tom Cruise's "couch jumping expedition" on Oprah and *possibly* South Park. South Park is a HUGE maybe. It is quite possible that between Islam and Scientology, the republicans are scared shitless about the prospect of teaching their CONSERVATIVE children in training the fundamentals of Islam or Scientology that they  drop the bill themselves,  Let's hope. 

On the other hand, they are also spiteful enough to pass it under the assumption that since this is Indiana, Christianity would be the main focus and therefore worth any potential nonsense that may or may not ensue.

As  a lovely lady from Indiana, with three young, school age children, there will never be a day that I *allow* this nonsense be fed into the impressionable and  immature minds. Negative. 'I'm sincerely hoping that the Scientology nonsense is enough to close it, dismantle it or derail it in any way, shape or form.

Looks like it is about time for these republicans to start reading the Village Voice daily to get their education on. Or maybe a Hoosier Hottie (me)could happily provide a plethora  of Scientology DVD's that I oddly received in the mail. OY! In addition to dvd's and  reading the VV, I have many books that do not glorify the corporate church, they  cover Scientology escape

Rex Winkus
Rex Winkus

The religious right wingnuts of Indiana are so out-of-touch with reality and delusion they are oblivious when they are being played. So sad that all this superstitious/supernatural nonsense is still forging ahead full steam in the 21st century.

Lisa Derrick
Lisa Derrick

Hey Tony, you realize that David Miscaviage is gonna use this as a major win in his next speech: "And the State of Indiana recognized Scientology as a major religion, and is requiring that it be taught alongside Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism!"

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Wouldn't the teachers be labeled as "squirrels"? 

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

If they want to teach "Creationism"....

Every High School student should read or listen...(excellent audio book) to Bill Bryson's  'A Short History of Nearly Everything'.

and I would also give it a must read for anyone with Scientology experience...

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Thanks for follow-up in detail with a 'first person' account of the story.

I would like to see Rolling Stone do a story on your work...

Sam
Sam

Scilon sock puppets present in recent news report, washington post

http://www(dot)washingtonpost(dot)com/blogs/omblog/post/polygmaists-and-scientologists-in-the-post/2012/02/01/gIQAHvLjiQ_blog.html

sizzle8
sizzle8

It's kind of ironic that Scientology was added for the lulz factor regarding the Xenu story yet the creation stories from older religions are just as bizarre.People will believe in whatever suits them.  Let them be.But when it comes to criminality and human rights abuses, don't pull any punches.

Larry Brennan
Larry Brennan

I predict that at one of the next "big" international scientology events that Miscavige makes some announcement that due to overwhelming demand the legislature demanded that scientology be taught in every school in Indiana (or words to that effect). And somehow it is positioned as showing how the planet is being taken and how the IAS has led the charge to this HUGE WIN!!! So donate more NOW! Then the crowd gives a huge 5+ minute standing ovation and three sets of hip hip hoorays to Hubbard. Oh God please let that happen!

Chuck Beatty
Chuck Beatty

Great find.   Hope her approach works.  I myself am atheist, but think a neutral book for teenagers, honestly describing the world's religions' beliefs about all time and space, is a good thing.  So I'm actually game for the bill passing and being implemented, just so the beliefs are under "religion" and NOT "science" though.  

barbara graham
barbara graham

I'm really kind of disappointed. The tactic is great, and other Democrats are using it to make GOP bills look foolish.GOP: Drug test welfare recipients!Dem Addendum: Drug test legislators!

GOP: Make women have an ultrasound before an abortionDem Addendum: Give men a nice 'turn your head and cough' plus a cardiac test before dispensing anti-flaccidity medication.

GOP: LET'S GET CHRIST IN SKOOLZDem Addumndem: Let's add Scientology cuz it has such a fascinating origin story!

Not 'Let's add Scientology for the lulz.' Not 'Let's add Scientology to make a point.'

Well, it is what it is. Whatever motivation behind it, the lulz rule!

DamOTclese2
DamOTclese2

So very totally awesome, she slapped the theofascist Christian extremist loons a good one, one that I hope not only stings the fascist right but also shows them for the anti-American clowns that they are.

What's also so very amusing is that it slaps the Scientology crime syndicate's ringleaders on the rebound, a back-handed slap, if you will. :) So much win brings tears to my eyes!

Now pass the garlic bread and grated cheese, please, as His Noodly Appendage touches us all, Ramen!

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

Let's see if Fox News host Greta Van Susturen reports this LOL YEAH RIGHT!

Ironic how these "creationist" retards are happy to follow her on Fox even though her beloved leader L Ron Hubbard called Jesus a pedophile.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

lol she should have just mentioned the FSM and then those cowardly republican christians would shut up and stop spewing their crap!

CofS Exit Zone
CofS Exit Zone

So not only did she sabotage the bill in a truly brilliant way, she voted against it. Heh.Smart cookie that Vi Simpson.

Consumer Unit 5012
Consumer Unit 5012

 Well, yes.  That's WHY they insist that Carbon Dating can't possibly work the way it seems to work, because it would mean that the Book of Genesis ISN'T a scientifically accurate recounting of God's creating of the Universe.  Therefore, PHYSICS MUST BE WRONG.

It's simple, really. 

Consumer Unit 5012
Consumer Unit 5012

 Because the Radical Right are the ones who keep trying to inject Jesus into schools.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

I learned the 'scientific method' in science classes in an all-Jewish grade school and again in a Catholic Jr/Sr high school.  I also learned the creation story in Religion classes, Sunday School, and Hebrew school.  I am not Catholic, Christian, or Jewish.  I was taught to be a critical thinker so I saw the creation story for what it was....a story.  If some basic information about Scientology was thrown in the mix, it would have made no difference.  I don't know why everyone gets their panties in a wad about religious education because it is still a part of an overall education.  

People don't give kids enough credit for figuring out shit on their own.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Boo hoo, waaa, cry baby spokes woman Karin Kaaapooow says:

Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the church in Los Angeles, denounced Thursday's decision, calling it a "miscarriage of justice."

The French: "This is how you do it."

Bertie
Bertie

Nice, but as a fellow Hoosier who moved to the actual Bible Belt (LA and MS), I can assure you that Indiana is pretty weak tea as far as that goes--hard as it may seem to believe, with the current far-right legislation.  Big indicator: the fact that the GOP legislature actually agreed to include all those other religions.  If it had been the Deep South, they would have made no bones about the effort to ram Christian (i.e. Southern Baptist) teachings into the public schools.  Louisiana already has laws allowing for a certain level of questioning in the school system. 

And besides, why the doubt that Islam has a place in Indiana?  It's not as homogeneous as VV would like to think it is, at least in Indianapolis and the northern half (Bloomington being one of the few multi-culti exceptions in the South).  The Islamic Society of North America (http://www.isna.net/), the largest Muslim association in the continent, is headquartered right outside Indy.  And a fairly credible site that tries to track Muslim populations http://www.islam101.com/histor... asserts that Indiana is in the top ten for its population and may even be in the top five for percentage of adherents.

Just sayin---it's not always that simple.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

Yes, they would.  Scientology would find a way to sue the school districts for teaching their materials improperly or they would try to use this as a tool for school districts to pay for Applied Scholastics.  

I'm not sure how Rathbun gets away with using copyrighted materials for monetary gain unless he uses a religious exception or some type of DMCA exception.  I'm surprised that he hasn't been sued yet.

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

 Oooh...such fun to be had over there!  One poor clear-thinking guy is going up against all the OSA sock puppets.  Methinks Mr. Grug needs some help. 

Listener
Listener

The most reasonable comment award goes to you. 

LeeAnneClark
LeeAnneClark

I agree with you.  I actually took a course when I was in high school back in the late 70's, titled "Religions of Man".  It covered, from an academic perspective, the basic belief systems of the world's major religions.  Having gone to Catholic school up until high school, I honestly didn't know a single thing about any other religions (although I'd already decided Catholicism was total bunk at that point). 

It was truly a pivotal experience in my life, and is the one class I remember above all others from high school.  It opened my eyes to the fact that humans have a wide, diverse and complicated landscape of religious and spiritual beliefs around the world and throughout history.

It also helped me to be "okay" with the conclusion I'd already reached about Catholicism.  I remember reasoning out for the first time that there was just no logic behind one small group of humans across the entire spectrum of humanity believing that they, and ONLY they, are right about God and the origins of man and the universe.  They can't ALL be right - at least SOME of them had to be wrong!  How did we know that the "right" ones aren't some obscure tribe in the rainforest?  What arrogance to think that, just because I happened to be born into a Catholic family, WE'RE the right ones!  The nekkid natives in Papau New Guinea believed just as strongly that THEY were right.  And if they were wrong, and the Catholics really were right, how unfair would it be that those poor nekkid natives never even got a chance to hear the "right" story!  No, the logic just wasn't there.

It was a revelation to me, and really helped me to start using my own mind, heart, and powers of reason, to think for myself.  ALL students should be so lucky to have their minds opened like that.

Ron
Ron

I really wish you wouldn't cite the Fishman OT7.

grundoon
grundoon

It's perfectly legal to buy the Scientology materials from a library sale, or on eBay or Craigslist from somebody who bought them from the "church," and use them for monetary gain or whatever floats your boat. There is no COPYright violation unless you make COPIES for sale or distribution.

Consumer Unit 5012
Consumer Unit 5012

"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also." --Mark Twain

ShellyMiscavige
ShellyMiscavige

Oh you mean the OT7 as written by L Ron Hubbard?-----------------------------------------------------------------"For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting. "

LRH

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