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#4. Hands down, the very best counter-protestor, the guy trying to warn everyone that Cthulhu is coming.
Yeah and you look like someone just cummed in your mouth!
Every freak was at this convention, by the way where is my fucking pony?
If you don't know how to use it keep it in your pants!
"There's a name for that kind of thinking. It's called "God of the gaps," and it's actually kind of sad. Because what you're admitting to is that God is no longer needed to explain the entire glorious evolution of the universe of the last 15 billion years, but he holds onto that last tiny sliver of a sliver of a second that Science is gradually eating away at."
God was never needed to explain the evolutionary process of the universe. God is only used to explain the origins of life and the universe.
Richard Dawkins has never and will never disprove the existence of God. You said in your original post that he did. What a laugh. You also said he explained the origns of life. Face it: you atheists will never have all of the answers, and you will never "prove" that God doesn't exist. And neither will theists prove that he does exist. Science will never come to fully understand the origins of the universe and life as we know it. Just because science can explain the evolution of the universe for the past 13-15 billion years doesn't mean that science actually knows everything about the universe. Explaining the evolution of the universe by science doesn't discredit God. You're basically saying that God doesn't want humans to come to understand the universe, which is absurd. They key to it all is the origins of life.
Dawkins is an idiot who thinks he can take his knowledge of evolutionary biology and use it to disprove God. He fails, and in the process comes off as an irrational buffoon. Socrates once said that he is wise insofar as he knows that he really knows nothing at all. Maybe Dawkins should stick to his craft instead of doing philosophy an injustice.
Why would anyone need to disprove god? Do you just go around assuming everything in the universe exists until proven otherwise?
I can't disprove vampire unicorns exist. For all I know, there could be some distant planet full of vampire unicorns. But given the absent of any affirmative proof of vampire unicorns, it's reasonable to conclude that unicorns don't exist.
Gods work the same way. There very well could be gods, but until the theists prove it up with credible evidence, then it's just as irrational to believe in gods as it is vampire unicorns.
Also, it's clear that you don't understand the god of the gaps argument. You see, mankind has a hard time accepting, "I don't know" as answer. Mankind needs an answer, even when the question is beyond our knowledge. Three thousand years ago, mankind didn't understand what caused lightning. So they created a god named Zeus and attributed lightning to him and his scepter. This filled in the gap of knowlege. Today, we know what causes lightning, and its certainly not deities living on mount olympus.
I am content with saying "I don't know" when it comes to the origins of the universe. I reject using supernatural excuses like "God did it" to explain unknown phenomena because it has no realistic basis ... such as with lightning and the greeks. The real question is why aren't you conent with doing so? If you want to believe in a god, be my guest. All I ask is that you keep it out of our government. No big deal.
Dawkins never said he can prove that God doesn't exist. However, he always qualified it by saying that he cannot disprove that the tooth-fairy or the Big Foot don't exist either. I don't think the burden of proof lies with the atheists in this case. It is up to theists to prove that God indeed exists, rather than for atheists to prove that he doesn't. You yourself admitted in your post that theists will never be able to prove the existence of God. Then explain to me why should anyone believe in anything that the theists say? I bet your answer is going to be "cause you gotta have faith".
You mean the 'most depressed.'
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I saw a MUCH better sign on the Rally web site:
Let's have a Moment of SCIENCE
Superimposed over the familiar diagram of an atom.
US high school and college students score among the lowest of those in the industrialized nations in science, languages, and geography.
Sorry, that Cthulhu protester is clearly a heretic.
Almighty Cthulhu will devour EVERYONE. The point of worshiping him is that we may mercifully be devoured...first....
The Cthulhu worshiper knew that. Here is a video of him protesting: http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=rhYZEBmfHoY
Can't believe you were really there and these are your top 10! Every time you show the WBC signs you are giving them credence.......they are full of hate and do know one any good. There were far better signs than these at the Rally.
I was at the rally as well. Of course the WBC signs are not best signs in terms of their contents, but they are quite interesting to see. I especially like the picture of the poor young girl, I guess she is Shirley Phelps' daughter. She does not look happy at all holding those signs.
That little girl with the Noah's Ark sign reminds me of the Joe Rogan bit. "If you tell the story of Noah's Ark to an 8-year-old retarded boy, he's gonna have some questions." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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Here's my video of the Reason Rally, there was a decent turnout considering the rain and all. In the video, there are people arguing at the end. http://youtu.be/y2QEjZwg1BQ
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The only "science" provided by the bible are animal, wife and child husbandry techniques written for ignorant, desert goat herders of the time. You elevate the shambolic poetic imaginings of the men who wrote the verses to a scientific level without any justification. Faith really does have a serious dumbing effect. Some Bible Science:
FLAT EARTH: Isaiah 11:12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations. And assemble the banished ones of Israel, And will gather the dispersed of Judah, from the four corners of the earth.
THE POWERED MOON: Genesis 1:16 God made two great lights, the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
UNICORNS APLENTY: Psalm 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for you have heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Paulburrow, I once read an article from NASA saying Venus would be visible just before sunrise. Would you use that quote to claim that NASA thinks the sun rises and sets over our planet? We all know that the Earth rotates. The sun doesn't really revolve around the Earth. Why don't you hold NASA to the same exacting standards as the book of Isaiah?
The Genesis verse you quoted does not indicate that the moon is self-powered. It merely states that the moon provides light in the night.
The word "Unicorn" does appear in the King James bible. It comes from the word "unicornis" which simply means "one-horned". If you look up the word in a modern dictionary it says a unicorn is a mythical creature. The King James bible was translated from the Greek Textus Receptus, which was written in 1516. If you look up the word "Unicornis" from books of the early 1500's you will find that the word refers to a rhinoceros. In fact the current scientific name of the Indian Rhinoceros is"Rhinoceros unicornis".
Now we know who bought that bridge to nowhere.
It's so sad that the majority of "Christians" are sending out this kind of message to the world about the Christian religion. Chrisitianity is supposed to be about love. God doesn't hate anyone!!
You're of course entitled to an opinion as to what "Christianity is supposed to be", but I recommend that you pay a bit of attention to what it *is*.
Hay Kids it's okay, God is pretend. Great sign! Indocrination of children is one of the worst things about religion.
Let's be fair Fags Doom Nations is fairly accurate...In the British Slang definition anyway.. Fags = Cigarettes and we all know smoking causes health problems. ;)
Wish I was there, but time and money from the West Coast was an issue. I felt pain with every cool speaker that was announced over the months.
Glad everyone I knew that went had a great time.Oh well, the TAM (The Amazing Meeting) put on by the JREF will be in July in Vegas, and that I can drive to...and will see a lot of people who went to the rally today.
Where can I find our more about TAM? I'm not particularly fond of Vegas, especially in the summer, but as you say, it's relatively close to LA. and I live in The Valley. I'd kinda like to go to that one.
My only friend in DC was having health problems yesterday, and was unable to get to the Mall for the Rally. Bummer.
go to www.randi.org for TAM registration/info. You'll love it.
Love it! FUCK the religiously insane cult savages among us.
The guy with the sign about picking up atheist chicks apparently hasn't heard about the fiasco last summer involving Skepchick and Elevator Guy. Guys who become atheists because they believe christian propaganda about atheists' swinging sex lives should realize that these christians engage in false advertising.
I do like to see these atheist conferences, nonetheless. I grew up in "rapture ready" Tulsa in the 1960's and 1970's, and I wish I could have joined an atheist group in my teens just to have some sane people to talk to. I've met a few people who had the good fortune to grow up as atheists, and to me they seem like characters from some advanced, futuristic civilization out of science fiction.
That was me with my friend in that picture. You are very quick to make generalizations about his intent with the sign. Do you have a sense of humor? We are both recently out-of-the-closet atheists who had many, many reasons for attending today. (I drove down from NYC just for this) he was simply having a bit of fun, and just about everyone enjoyed it. We were having fun, remember fun?
I think advancedatheist was just slightly teasing you, Biscuitz. Don't let it rile you. Fun sign and a great photo.
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I feel so sorry for this girl carrying the "Fags Doom Nations" sign. So young - and doomed herself to have been raised in and filled with hate by the Westboro Baptist "Church". So very sad. May she someday find a life of love and grow beyond the fear-mongerers.
I agree, she looked sad too, if only she could open her mind a little, and smile, she'd be cute, and I'd totally take her out.
I completely agree, I just want to tell her that her life can be so much MORE! Maybe just by witnessing the Reason Rally, her horizons will become broader? I truly feel bad for her...
Yep, she looks pretty miserable on this picture. I don't understand how is that legal for under-age children to participate in such toxic and hateful protests.
In my experience it's Atheist's who HATE facts. For example, the scientific fact that "A universe cannot spawn out of nothing" aka the law of causality. Atheists HATE that scientific fact. Also the fact that the universe had a distinct and finite beginning, just like the Bible said in it's first line over 2,500 years ago, but man has not discovered through science until less then 100 years ago.
So let me get this straight. You're spouting on about scientific fact yet you believe that Jesus raised the dead, fed 5000 people with 2 fish and 5 loaves, walked on water, that the Earth is 6000 years old (or thereabouts) and that Mary was a pregnant virgin? OK, makes perfect sense to me. DUH!!!
B.I. Don't listen to us. Please, take a science course at your local college or read a book that is not based on the bible. Then, perhaps, you can come up with a serious argument because right now, Baby you are firing blanks.
"For example, the scientific fact that "A universe cannot spawn out of nothing" aka the law of causality."
No, that isn't a "fact." That's an assertion on your part. You need to provide evidence that's widely accepted and tested, and then you MIGHT have a fact.
But you don't have one now.
I understand what you're saying, BI, but it helps to have a little perspective.
People who are partial to a scientific understanding of things know that cosmologists have a pretty good understanding of how the universe evolved over the last 13 to 15 billion years. But looking backwards, once we get down to an incredibly short amount of time after the Big Bang began -- it's such a tiny portion of a second there's not even a word for it -- the best theories are at a bit of a loss.
Those of us who find these theories interesting don't "hate" that fact. We know that given more time, better equipment, and lots of brilliant thinking, the advance of science will probably come up with some very good solutions to that tiny moment of time, and maybe even help us project back before the Big Bang began.
So what you're saying, essentially, is that only "God" or the Bible can help explain that last, incredibly tiny piece of a second that Science so far hasn't figured out yet.
There's a name for that kind of thinking. It's called "God of the gaps," and it's actually kind of sad. Because what you're admitting to is that God is no longer needed to explain the entire glorious evolution of the universe of the last 15 billion years, but he holds onto that last tiny sliver of a sliver of a second that Science is gradually eating away at.
I tell you what. You take that infinitesimal moment in time. We'll take the rest.
Well said Tony and you actually explained that gap without invoking God.
I hung out with the "Where's my fucking pony?" sign-bearer all day. She was pretty popular!
Do you have nothing better to say? Please find your pony and get out of dodge
I saw this sign several times, but don't remember who was carrying it.
Thank you, Tony! Hilarious! LAWL!