Scientology: Dear Judge, Protect Us from Rathbun and Rinder!

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Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun: Causing problems
Yesterday, we reported that Debbie Cook had gone on the offensive in the lawsuit filed against her by the Church of Scientology.

The church had earlier filed a motion for summary judgment, asking the Bexar County, Texas court to award it an early win in the case; Cook answered back that she wants the church's motion delayed as she requests documents from Scientology in the discovery process. She also asked to depose someone representing the church this coming Monday, and gave notice that during that deposition she plans to have along with her former high-ranking Scientology executives Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder -- both of whom are highly visible and effective critics of church leader David Miscavige.

Last night, we learned about the church's countermove: its attorneys asked the court to
delay the production of documents until their motion for summary judgment has been adjudicated. And if the motion is not granted, to delay the deposition and limit it in scope.

Oh, and one more thing: "That Rathbun and Rinder be excluded from the deposition."

We can imagine the church's concern.

As members of our excellent commenting community pointed out yesterday, it may give Cook a huge advantage to have Rathbun and Rinter as advisers to her attorney Ray Jeffrey during a deposition of church executives. Marty Rathbun was once the second-highest official in the church, answering only to Scientology's ultimate leader, David Miscavige; Mike Rinder was once the organization's chief spokesman and ran its intelligence wing. Since 2009, Rathbun has run a blog that in the past we've called perhaps the single biggest external threat to the continuing health of Miscavige's grip on the church.

Will the church be able to keep Rathbun and Rinder out of these proceedings? At this point, we don't even know which Bexar County district judge is going to consider this flurry of court filings coming from both sides.

A hearing is scheduled for Friday morning, however, and we only wish we were going to be in the courtroom. Thankfully, reporters like John MacCormack of the San Antonio Express-News and Michael Barajas of the San Antonio Current should be all over it.

Here's the church's filing, and we await your analysis (click on the documents to enlarge them)...

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Tony Ortega has been the editor in chief of the Village Voice since March, 2007. He started writing about Scientology in 1995. You can reach him by e-mail at tortega@villagevoice.com, and if you ask nicely he'll put you on his mailing list for notifications of new stories, which tend to come out each and every morning at 8 am, but can suddenly appear at any time of the day. You can also catch his alerts at Twitter (@VoiceTonyO), at his Facebook author page, a Tumblr, and even this new Google Plus doohickey.

New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories. As for our regular features, on Thursdays we do a roundup of world press, on Fridays we visit L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo circa 1969-1971, on Saturdays we celebrate the week's best comments, and on Sundays we publish Scientology's wacky and tacky advertising mailers that people send us.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.

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Elizabethan
Elizabethan

Now there's some food for my brain to digest!  

deanfox
deanfox

Seems to me the church of scientology solicitors are telling the court how to do their job and exactly how justice should work.

You'd have thought the church of scientology would have thought on to have witnesses available in Texas since it was they who brought the motion in Texas. They're also quite happy to fly people all over the country in order to achieve their own ends, like harassing critics etc.

They keep saying the issues are irrelevant but without explaining why they're irrelevant. Perhaps they believe that if they repeat it often enough and loud enough people will believe them.

EDIT: They do say there are so many issues that they won't attempt to address them unless the court wishes them to. Surely the point of a trial is so all such issues can be properly addressed in the proper forum?

They state that doctrinal and theological issues are outside the purview of the court but Debbie's original email dealt only with such issues, yet they decided to drag the court in to it.

Rathbun and Rinder are witnesses who can testify on all manner of issues. Can the church of scientology really make such bold demands that they be excluded?

Why should Rathbun and Rinder be excluded?

"Because they will damage our case - erm I mean they will damage the church of scientology."

It's terrible the shenanigans the church of scientology get up to and it would be shameful to see a court comply with their ludicrous demands.

dodobird
dodobird

Hey Tony, thanks for keeping us updated!

Firebreathing Frog
Firebreathing Frog

David Miscavige is such a loser.

The email Debbie sent on new year was to specifics and to the point.If it was only lies, it would have been so easy for David Miscavige to prove the world she was just a demented fool.

If David Miscavige would just have stay quite, he will have loose many scientologists who can think by themself but keep a lot of sheep who have already been brain washed and can not see any outpoint.

But by suing Debbie, Miscavige is digging his own grave.

Miscavige is trying to expose all his crimes to the entire world, and say "Look, I'm such a criminal, Please STOP ME."

When you try to vilify a honest, compassionate and intelligent person, then you position yourself as the bad guy.

When you try to crush such a good person as Debbie Cook, who spend 27 years as a staff in your church, 17 year at the head of the biggest Scientology organization on earth, you position yourself as a criminal who want to destroy one of the most decent person Scientology ever knew.

You just have no chance to win David Miscavige.

Not only you are stupid, but you are evil and only deal with lies.

And you take no responsibility for the effect of your own actions.

A typical characteristic of a criminal.

You have been digging your own grave, and now lick the shovel clean.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

OTVIIIisGreat!!! and John P. are infamous Scn deprogrammers, paid by Tony Rockfeller aka Ortega. Don't trust anyone, especially the Internet. It's full of naked sex and religious hatred of spiritual salvations. Just say no.

Elizabethan
Elizabethan

Excellent.  Those in the SO have it the roughest I'd say because they are complete slaves, altho they think not. Those that work in the Idle Orgs do have some outside contact and so it can be easier. The public people can make the change better. However, it all depends how long and thoroughly their brains have been washed. Then consider other complications, like having friends, family, location, etc., things they are ashamed of doing while under the influence.  Those details take time to resolve. It is a very individual decision to leave, physically and mentally, so one takes care of oneself the best he can. It is rough when some of these kids have no family or friends to help them. Realize they didn't get their mind controlled overnight, and some more than others, so takes time to wake up, so to speak. These books are valuable in the healing process.That's some good advice in that snippet above. A good example.

Been studying and I'm off my box now, lulz

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

I wonder if Mr. George H. Spencer, Jr., is having sleepless nightsright about now, trying to develop a strategy where he and his Law firmcan drop this whole mess in a legit way before their reputation is ruined utterly.

I suggest George to give Ray a friendly call. Nothing official.

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I find it hard to believe a person still feels fearful of scientology 11 years after leaving it. I know veteran sci-watcher have read this story, thought maybe the newbies might want to read it. Helps you learn some of the scientology lingo that's somethings hard to grasp.

Here's a snippet from:

My Nine Lives In Scientology.By Monica Pignotti

Google it for the rest of the story..

Alienation from the Outside World

Another mind control technique used very early on in Scientology is to give a very dreary view of the world outside of Scientology. Non-Scientologists are referred to as "Wogs" or "Raw Meat" and were looked down upon as being on a very low level of spiritual development. The outside world is referred to as the wog world, which was a dreary place filled with people who were controlled by their reactive minds (the abberated part of their minds) and therefore in a semi-conscious daze. True happiness and fulfillment was impossible for a wog. I can remember very early on in my involvement in Scientology, reading about people who left Scientology and attacked it who were so guilt-ridden that they went insane or got sick and died -- all propaganda to make sure we never left or spoke out against Scientology. I vowed that I would never leave Scientology and it was inconceivable that I would ever speak out or write publicly against Scientology. My cult self would have been horrified at what I am doing right now.

The idea of retribution for leaving was so firmly indoctrinated into my mind that it affected me eleven and a half years after leaving the group, since I had walked out of the cult without receiving any exit counselling. At that time, I read Bent Corydon's book, L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman, which to my amazement, contained many events that I had personally experienced. I had a strong desire to write to him so I could get in touch with some of the people he mentioned in the book who had been in Scientology with me and had since left. I wrote the letter, but I never sent it because I had terrifying thoughts of retribution. What if someone broke into Bent Corydon's home and found my letter and came after me? That same week, I caught a terrible cold, which subconsciously made me feel I was being punished for my intentions. I decided I'd better put the whole thing out of my mind, which I halfway managed to do. It wasn't until several months later, when I read a book called Combatting Cult Mind Control, by Steven Hassan that I realized the extent of the mind control I had been under and decided it was time to fight for my constitutional right of free speech. I may incur threats from Scientologists, but I realize that the only way to stop the insanity that is continually getting worse in this group is for people to refuse to be intimidated and to speak out.

Elizabethan
Elizabethan

You and John P. are thoroughly entertaining, educating, enlightening and the greatest of pleasure to read. Like yin and yang a happy balance. You're both the best and I love you!   Make my day(s)!

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

People keep talking about Scientology here. This is good news as it proves that Scientology is the most popular topic of conversation everywhere in the world. We in RTC were just assuring our friends in the Nation of Islam how very well loved Scientology is on a global basis. Sure, we reassured NOI officials, there are isolated pockets of hatred against Scientology, but these instances of hatred are the work of a handful of bitterly decaffeinated apostles.  We showed NOI officials our Alexi search result which clearly proves that Scientology.Zrg is the #1 site on the entire internet. Higher than even NASCAR and NFL football websites, Scientology.Zrg is visited by a lot of people everyday who come in search of answers to life's toughest questions. People ask us why there is injustice. They ask us how it is that a good and decent church like Scientology is tried in the wog courts of opinion. We tell these seekers the same thing that we tell the Nation of Islam: It all began in a catastrophe 75,000,000 years ago that created tremendous Suppression and Suppressive People.

These "Suppressive People" congregate at places like the VV or at John P.'s home where they plot to destroy Scientology.

This is why we in RTC fight.

This is why we in RTC will win this battle with Debbie Cook, a battle that is far worse than the one we waged with the IRS. We won that battle too. We won against all odds. We proved that Scientology is religious-ish.

Once we in RTC win this open and shut case in Texas, we plan to open Ideal Org San Antonio in celebration. Our plans call for a 5,000,000 square foot highrise building of 170 stories. At 2.800 feet in height, Ideal Org San Antonio will be taller than the Burj Dubai, the world's tallest building located in one of those countries overseas whose name we forget.

Anyway, our new Ideal Org will dominate the San Antonio skyline to celebrate our legal victory that has been ordered and decreed by COB RTC David Miscavige, the World's most compassionate person as attested to do by the stack of sworn affidavits that are on file in our offices.

Elizabethan
Elizabethan

Remember book sales?  I would bet they have a post/job in the last several years that keep  a certain amount of staff busy all day making hits for stats. That's the way they play the game.

It's Obvious
It's Obvious

It looks like the Village Voice' sister paper, the OC Weekly has officially joined the fight to enlighten people about the scam that is Scientology. Please add the OC Weekly to your daily visit sites. We need your excellent comments in as many places as possible.

Grant
Grant

Questions to a Sea Org member.

(a) Do you have respectable housing for a mature adult?(b) Do you spend the majority of your day in spiritual contemplation?(c) Do you have prayer services with your other eccliesiastical partners?(d) Do you have normal meals?(e) Do you have normal health care, including the ability to see an MD?(f)  Do you have preventative health measures, like mammograms, colonoscopies,  and pap smears?(g) Are you allowed to marry and have children, and if so, would all of the above questions apply to your children? 

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

I'm sure osa agents are studying the list of possible Judges who might be presiding over Debbie's case. Checking their backgrounds, families, friends, political contacts, looking for vulnerabilitys, etc.

I Googled Judges in San Antonio - Bexar County Court. Looks like court schedules and calendars of Judges are not available for public viewing on the court’s web site. Unless I'm not searching in the wrong area?

I've spent most of the day going to the Judges (that are listed at Bexar County Court) facebook. I have found a couple of the Judges mentioned on the website: The Committee To Expose Dishonest And Incompetent Judges, Attorneys, And Public Officials, but that's just the websites opinion.

My tinfoil hat is armed and ready. LOL. (Operation eagle eye in the nest) Just waiting to see what dirty deeds Miscavige pulls out of his magic hat.

I'm really wondering who's going to preside over Debbie's case? Will we find out Monday?

Remy
Remy

Tony,

Thank you for trying to restrict your Pulitzer-quality reports to once daily.  If they occur any more frequently, I would have to either reduce my work hours, or suffer a nervous breakdown out of concern that I might miss a good snarky post from one of your followers (god forbid). 

(That said, in a perfect world I would work half as much, and you would post twice as much.) 

A Daily Reader
A Daily Reader

I read these comments every day and have noticed a definite change.  There's a lot fewer comments getting down on Debbie Cook.  Instead there are a lot of comments talking about Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder, how they're criminals etc.  Could this be OSA's talking points of the day?  You bet it could!

Reading the daily Village Voice comments is like having a window into Miscavige's head. He rules the cult; nobody else.  Everyone does what he wants and nothing else.  When OSA starts having people rant about Mike & Marty you can take it to the bank that they're posting on orders from Miscavige.  What does this tell us?  That Miscavige is terrified of Mike & Marty, that's what. 

I guess Miscavige realized there's no point in going back to private eyes in paddle boats outside Marty's house.  Might as well try sock puppets posting on-line. What a riot.  

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

But that's a double-edged sword. A good attorney would not permit himself to be puppet-mastered by his insane client.

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

 The "Day 4" transcripts are *still* being suppressed by the crime syndicate. The insane crooks out of the Moscow Scientology business office continues to stop copies of Day 4 from being being posted in public despite the court transcript being public domain.

Anybody wants a copy, email me DefrockedBitterApostate@gmail.com

Jgg
Jgg

  Come to think of it, they should ONLY depose Rinder and Rathbun, since they were inside the Church for so long and no one knows where David Miscavige and Heber Jentzsch are anyway.

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

C&S were well aware of what they were getting in to when they accepted the initial check from Miscaviage. They can do Google searches like everyone else, they're not innocent wide-eyed rubes right off the turnip truck, they're in this mess because they wanted to be and only after making themselves fully aware of what they were doing.

Some people choose money over reputation and dno't give a damn about what comes tomorrow.

bobx
bobx

On the other thread (the charter-school being shut down), it is noted that tomorrow there is a hearing scheduled in San Antonio on Debbie's Motion to Compel / for Sanctions / for Continuance.  Be sure to tune in, same bat-time, same bat-channel!

bobx
bobx

It is hard to get permission to drop The Client From Hell, once you discover you have picked up one.  I can empathize:  once I took on the case of the sister of a friend, although her brother warned me she was rather crazy, but she had a sad and convincing story to tell about how she and her husband were being mercilessly ripped off and abused by her thuggish brother-in-law.  The brother-in-law resisted being deposed for a long time, which was a shame because it wasn't until I heard him that I started to understand the other side of the story; there were several points where I could independently check up on the he-said-she-said, and in every respect my client was lying to me-- or more likely, not "lying" but in a state of self-delusion.  She started calling multiple times a day to talk for hours; I stopped picking up and she would fill my phone messages completely, with babble that I had to listen to all the way through in case there was something important buried in the nonsense.

I'm sure just about every lawyer who has practiced for any length of time has experienced at least one such case.

Hatchune Shun
Hatchune Shun

Or maybe calling Spencer .Jr out for a cup of coffee? Not as lawyers, but as average people enjoying a cup of coffee.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

"Scientology is religious-ish." Thank you, RTC!

Much Love, PT IRS. (We will get back to you soon.)

Oh, the lulz!

bobx
bobx

When you open the Ideal Org San Antonio, I hope Tom Cruise rappels down it accompanied by kick-ass music, like Chill E B rap or something equally theta!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

Wrong = right

You don't see that often. hehe

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

Just keeping up with the comments wears me out!  I have noticed a serious upward trend in the number of comments on this particular subject over the past several months.  I feel for you Tony!  You are to be commended.  

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

Um no, even normal people point at Rathbuns' and Rinder's crimes. OSA sock puppets only do that if they feel they have to since M&M committed felonies on order from Miscaviage, the same criminal that OSA sock puppets answers to.

Rinder murdered Lisa McPherson. He needs to be tried and executed for his crime. The fact that the murderer is trying to unseat Miscaviage and maybe take over the criminal enterprise for himself does not absolve him of his murdering Lisa.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

If you are just now noticing that many comments criticize both Rinder and Rathbun's past actions, then you either haven't been paying attention or you haven't been reading that long.

Both committed heinous crimes during their long tenures in the cult, including (but not limited to) the cover-up of Lisa McPherson's death and ordering/participating in the harassment of many critics into silence through various illegal and unethical acts.  They refuse to apologize to many of their victims and they still promote (and receive money for) the dangerous practices of Scientology's core "beliefs".  They refuse to admit that LRH's words were at the base of their evil deeds and they refuse to see the truth, let alone admit to what they did.  

It is very difficult to put in one comment box a list of their awful actions, but if you lurk more you'll see for yourself.

OSA is well aware of everything they did at the bequest of the church, but to address it as a legal strategy in the Cook case potentially admits their own part in these crimes.  So it is unlikely that this will be a big part of the Cook case.

If Rinder and Rathbun were open, honest, apologetic, and forthcoming with their past crimes then some of us might have some empathy.  Instead they are both defensive, aggressive with critics, and refuse to acknowledge those they hurt for decades.  Debbie Cook falls under the same umbrella, and I have no sympathy for her current situation.  She harmed many herself, but she only started speaking out so I'll give her more time before I skewer her in public comments the same way I have with both Rinder and Rathbun.

You need to read more about these two assholes.  Your comment tells me that you haven't.

SFF
SFF

You are (presumably) out of the CoS now. I might suggest that you would be well served if you avoid taking the us vs. them mentality with you.

hgc
hgc

Which commenters are OSA? Name them. Or are you like Tailgunner Joe, with the list of traitors in your briefcase? You don't have the guts to confront any M&M critic here as OSA. 

Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin

Oh looky. a covert indie pretending. Listen Kool-aid-drinker, your username screams out you are trying to paint the M&M detractors as OSA by default. Rathbun and Rinder have earned the disdain and mistrust from the readers, simply because of the criminality and inhumanity they administered to so many people at the behest of S C I E N T O L O G Y.Blame heir dwarf all you leik, as it will never undo the inhumanity and brutality interwoven through hubbard's 'works'.

Rinder and Rathbun, still to this day refuse to completely come clean and what they did over the years at scientology's behest.

Neither will willfully spill the beans, because they KNOW serious jail time will be dealt out for the woeful criminality they both perpetuated against so many people...both 'in' scientology and those that did nothing more than voice there informed opinion that scientology destroys peoples lives.

Remember Paulette Cooper?Yeah, what part did david miscavige play in the attcks on her?Ohsi! That was when Hubbard was at the helm.

Some of you indies are as bad, if not worse than churchies with the rubbish you peddle to try align peoples realities.

Shawn
Shawn

No.  We've always felt this way about M&M's shit.

Gerard Plourde
Gerard Plourde

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, once an attorney has a fee agreement and even more once he has entered his appearance before the court his ability to withdraw representation is increasingly limited. Now that actual litigation has begun the firm can only withdraw if permitted to by the judge. The attorney does have flexibility in trial strategy, but the goal of the representation is always subject to the wishes of the client, no matter how crazy that goal might be. At the root this is a contract claim and those usually are pretty straightforward. Companies don't usually lock up their employees before they have them sign an NDA and churches don't usually torture their staff (clergy?). I can see it being very plausible that C & S didn't have any idea what they were getting into.

Guest
Guest

Well if nobody knows where David Miscavige is, then who is taking the orders from him? Just throw that person in jail for obstruction of justice.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Actually, when Debbie Cook and her Husband accepted those checks, they were being unlawfully detained, under armed guard with no access to the Internet whatsoever. Neither did they have access to independent legal counsel to advise them as to the actual meaning and ramifications of what they were signing or of accepting those checks.

Nice try.

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

Gerard Plourde
Gerard Plourde

I wouldn't be so sure that C & S were as aware as you presume. Most people (attorneys included) have very little awareness of Scientology beyond maybe knowing about Tom Cruise's and Kirstie Alley's involvement.  As to the actual practices, without even going into the abuses that we know occur, maybe they know about the OTIII stuff (thanks to South Park). I would venture to say that most people don't know about the record of abuse and disconnection at all and on first hearing about it wouldn't believe it. It's only when you begin to research and find out about the history that you begin to realize what the situation really is.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Hubbard has been dead since January, 1986.

When David Miscavige is finally dragged into criminal court and facing felony charges (whatever those might be), do you seriously think a defense of "Hubbard made me do it!" is going to keep him out of prison? Honestly ?

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

A Daily Reader
A Daily Reader

 We?  You mean OSA.  It's all so transparent and people see it for exactly what it is: the last gasps of a dying cult. 

Beware OSA, Miscagive may turn on you guys too when the heat gets too much for him.

And "Shawn", aka OSA, you talk about "M&M's shit"; take a look at your own.  At least M&M are doing something trying to end the horrors.   What are you doing other than trying to divert attention from the real issues?

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

He meant "no one knows" as in "the long arm of the law can't find him but fellow crime bosses taking his orders know where he can be reached."

JustWilliam
JustWilliam

 Actually, defrocked apostate was talking about the church's lawyers, NOT Debbie and husband: "C&S were well aware of what they were getting in to when they accepted the initial check from Miscaviage."

MissCabbage
MissCabbage

I have to disagree.  In the Internet Age they surely Googled them, after all they are a law firm.  

Come to think of it, they probably saw $$$ signs and did not care about the CO$'s reputation.  Would reputable attorneys stoop that low?

defrocked apostate
defrocked apostate

 Miscaviage can plead that he was brought up as a child to believe that committing felonies was acceptable. He can claim he was unable to distinguish right from wrong having been seeped in the criminal cult since a young and impressionable age.

SFF
SFF

It could be the basis of an insanity plea.

But really, the CoS has tried to claim that freedom of religion entitles them to follow the religious practice known as Fair Game.

How much faith do you have in the current Supreme Court when it comes to this topic?

Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin

Maybe Miscavige will take a leaf out of Hubbard's book and go into hiding and end up being an "unidicted co-conspirator" like hubbard was?

Jenny
Jenny

You know A Daily Reader, it is just as plausible that you are OSA posting as a pretend Indie to drum up more righteous indignation about M & M.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob

I'm not OSA and I don't trust Mike, Marty, or Debbie.  I'll cheer them on as they weaken DM's empire, but I will protest them if it turns out they plan to continue to peddle that Hubbard crap to children, addicts in need of rehab, the mentally ill. I will protest if they try to form new front groups that forward the sickness of the Hubbard mind virus.

When the COS is collapsed and gone, then we'll see about the rest of the Hubbard devotees.  I'm all for letting them live in peace and practice their brand of nuttery, but I don't want to see further lies and deceptive practices and abuses to perpetuate Hubbard's insanity for yet another generation.  No more front groups, no more diverting people from true medical treatment, and no more putting kids on cans!

How's that sound, Gentle Reader?

Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin

What piffle!M&M are all about KSW, nothing more other then perpetuating the very thing they claim Miscavige is responsible for

Karen
Karen

I agree, A Daily Reader, with you cogent analysis.

I think we sincerely have to ask, "Shawn, how many babies did you rape today?"

Don't you agree Reader?

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

You are ok, Michael. I got confused for a second too.

I am sure things at "Clemens and Spencer" are a bit hectic now.

"Google is your friend" is probably going to be their next motto, from now on.

Michael Hobson
Michael Hobson

Oooops, My Bad. 

 "C&S" means "Clemens and Spencer".

Well, no. I don't think they really did know what they were getting into initially. I reckon they are already beginning to regret it, though.

Michael A. HobsonIndependent Scientologist

bobx
bobx

They're not just "reputable", they're the most ethical lawyers on the planet!

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