Scientology on the High Seas: Hubbard Claims Victory Over the U.S. Navy

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In November we started a new feature here on Fridays: the Voice has obtained hundreds of copies of L. Ron Hubbard's previously unpublished "Orders of the Day," which he gave to crew members as he sailed the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. Our documents cover the period from late 1968 through 1971, and this time we're looking at what was happening the week of March 11 through 17 during those years.

This week, L. Ron can't believe how old he's getting...

[Confused? Go here for our primer, "What is Scientology?" For recent controversies in the church, check out our stories on Debbie Cook, secrets of the Super Power Building, and our open letter to Tom Cruise. We know these 40-year-old ship's documents aren't for everyone, but they've been giving us some interesting insights into the mind of Hubbard as he ran Scientology from a yacht at sea. Check back here often for more breaking news about the church.]


1969

March 11: LRH spells it "Veetnam" for the hilarity, and calls a woman a "pros." He's just on a manic roll two days before his 58th birthday...

16. The Yewnited States Navy came to Corfu, 12500 men on two buckets of bolts called the "FREMONT" and "GRAND COUNTY". A Marine Tank landing force. Troops returning from "VEETNAM" as they called it, via service in the Sixth Fleet.

They had been given an "advice" not to go near us as "we'd make them all go Absent With Out Leave".

US desertion rate is one every 10 minutes and AWOL one every 3 minutes with only .1% prosecution.

The report on us was reported to come from the US Naval Attache Athens Embassy. He sure must be some great intelligence officer -- passing on false reports. We have beached several guys who were dodging the draft and advised them to go home.

We sure got our ears full of data about their lousy rat-infested ships, their lousy officers and all.

So, their intelligence on us stank as a false report and ours on them was complete and accurate indeed.

The CO of one was halfway through DMSMH about 3 days ago. The Marines were stopping our people to get books.

The shorepatrolmen said, "We've heard of L. Ron Hubbard. He's a good man."

So today 11th they steam away on their wanderings, full of Scn books and lists of addresses in the US.

And what started as an all out assault on our repute in Corfu ended up with their ships full of interested potential Scientologists.

I claim the victory over their flotilla.

...

17. MATA HARI

LISA O'KRACKEL, "the Mata Hari of our times", came aboard as the wife of Bill O'Krackel, made trouble, blew, was seen ashore hanging around for a week in Corfu, got $1,600 from her mother and left the area.

Turns out she was married before to a Greek in Greece, was not divorced before she "married" Bill. In the meantime she worked as a "pros" in Las Vegas.

She has six aliases (different names) and possibly 3 passports, one in her maiden name, one as the Greeks's wife and one as Bill's "wife".

We guess that Bill found out about her former marriage and no divorce and possibly that's why she blew.

We don't know that she was here for info but for sure some wild left wing characters in the press are trying to talk about a disappeared "girl" and had the crust to ask the Deputy Prime Ministers of Greece about the "disappeared girl" and "that ship in Corfu." The DPM said our ship was okay and he'd "look into the girl matter."

Well, we're also looking into it. We mean her no harm. But her blow is causing Dev T.

Looks like another "Linda Smith" plant.

...

18. PSYCHIATRISTS

I just realized (and issued a news story) that in each "Scientology breaks up marriages" story, it was a psychiatrist who did it. They go see the parents, bring pressure. In two cases (Linda Smith and Karen Henslow) the girl was enticed home, electric shocked and terrorized into breaking it up. Henslow was only engaged to be married. Linda was married.

So that's an interesting twist, isn't it. They do it, say we do it and then demand Inquiry.

Boy, the odor is sure appalling.

We save tons of marriages every year.

LRH, COMMODORE



1971

March 14: The Old Man always tries to sound so surprised that his captive subjects lavish him with gifts on Christmas and for his birthday...

HIGHEST EVERS

Thank you for the very happy birthday.

I received some lovely presents including a new dining room table and chairs for the A Deck lounge -- truly gorgeous.

I now hear the Ship's Rep flew to a nearby area to get some lovely presents for me from MSH. Very appreciated. Both the presents and the flight.

Cards, telexes, lovely presents and remembrances.

And HGC had a present -- 639 w.d. auditing hours! Just by changing its lines and hard work.

And the HCI's FEBC stats are highest ever.

The International Gross Income was the HIGHEST EVER!

And the Planetary G.I. (not including AOUK, UK, EU, AF or ANZO Orgs) (including only US ((Sea Org, Scn)) and AOSH DK) hit over a quarter of a million in one week!


PARTY

It was a lovely party. A smashing cake, a lovely present, the Snipes songs and all your happy smiles and applause made it a truly wonderful birthday.

(I didn't know how old I was this life, was sure I was several years younger, until the congratulations and best wishes. I added it up. 60. I still don't believe it. Are you sure we haven't skipped some calendar years somewhere?)

It was a great day.

And I appreciate you more than you will ever know.

LRH, COMMODORE


March 15: We can't resist an Al Bornstein reference...

SLIDE-TAPE SHOW

Geoff Barnes and Al Bornstein are highly commended for their excellent slide-tape show about Flag.

As you read this it has already been exported to the various continents, having left the ship at 0600.

LRH, COMMMODORE


Well done to Geoff Barnes and Al Bornstein for putting together a useable slide show! Did you know this project has been attempted for two years previously? Congratulations and a pat on the back.

Lt Cmdr Diana Hubbard, Distribution Aide




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BONUS 1970s AWESOMENESS

While L. Ron Hubbard plied the seas, back on dry land Advance! magazine was thrilling Scientologists with its tales of "OT Phenomena." Those church members who had reached the higher levels of spiritual training shared their stories of superhuman powers with fellow dupes -- er, enthusiasts. This excerpt is from Issue 24, June/July 1974...

I had to write to thank you for your Advance! 19. I read it this afternoon and the "OT Phenomena" blew my mind. I'm not OT yet but occasionally have experienced OT phenomena which usually completely overwhelms me. But after this fabulous issue I was able to handle an incident that occurred when I got off work tonight at 1 a.m.

To make the mundane part short -- I had walked out of work and gunfire erupted. The police were chasing a man and shooting at him for some reason. They chased him around the block, through the parking lot to a Catholic church, where he was shot in the head and died.

His dead body didn't bother me at all, but I was wondering what happened to the thetan, so I started "feeling" around for him and there was nothing. The shot in the head must have blown him clear out of the vicinity.

About three or four minutes later, suddenly he was right there and I could feel him flowing confusion at me.

Flunk on my part -- I just barely acknowledged him at first -- and removed myself to across the street. After another few minutes I was aware he was standing next to me again "begging for attention." So mentally, with all the intention I could muster up, I said "It's all right, it's only a body."

I got the impression he was thankful that someone still knew he existed. I then walked back down the block to my car and he stayed behind.

As I was leaving I felt guilty that I'd left him in a rather befuddled state so I drove around the block to see if he was still "hanging around," with the intention of getting into comm with him.

He was still there so I gave out a mental "Hey you" to get his attention. He came and was on the hood of my car -- then joined me inside.

Out loud, to be sure I was getting through, I asked him to tell me about what happened until he felt okay about it. I didn't pick up on too much of it, except a strong picture of the parking lot he ran through.

He started flowing VGIs (very good indicators) so I told him to go get a new body. I got no response for a few seconds, then as we drove by another person, I heard a definite, "That one??"

It was funny -- he didn't know what I meant. So I had to explain, "No, not that one, but a new baby body. Go to the hospital, find a pregnant woman and you'll have a new body."

He thanked me and split.

Oh, I also told him to then get into Scientology and get some auditing.

I hope i handled it okay. If I hadn't just read Advance! 19 the whole thing would have been more than I could have confronted.

As an aside, when I was at the church a priest came out and was administering last rites or whatever to the guy's body, while the thetan was across the street talking to me!!! -- Bette J. Callicott


Besides the doctrinal crisis this anecdote suggests -- OT phenomena before OT? Sacrilege! -- it vividly answers a question one of our readers had earlier this week, to wit: how does a thetan get a new body? Answer: at the local maternity ward.

I also can't help enjoying the subtle slam at a competing religion there at the end: Catholic priest, reading last rites to an empty meat body with its thetan sitting across the street -- what a dumbass.

I just can't get enough of OT Phenomena!


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Tony Ortega has been the editor in chief of the Village Voice since March, 2007. He started writing about Scientology in 1995. You can reach him by e-mail at tortega@villagevoice.com, and if you ask nicely he'll put you on his mailing list for notifications of new stories, which tend to come out each and every morning at 8 am, but can suddenly appear at any time of the day. You can also catch his alerts at Twitter (@VoiceTonyO), at his Facebook author page, on Pinterest, a Tumblr, and even this new Google Plus doohickey.

New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories. As for our regular features, on Thursdays we do a roundup of world press, on Fridays we visit L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo circa 1969-1971, on Saturdays we celebrate the week's best comments, and on Sundays we publish Scientology's wacky and tacky advertising mailers that people send us.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.

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DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Spectator is another word that brings shitty memories.Either way though, you are participating. Thank you, Eli!And sorry if I am being too anal about semantics here.I am normally not. 

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

You cool, Eli.It's my Tinfoil Hat. lolPeace.

zenda
zenda

Step up on the bridge and you lose a lot more than three dollars maybe a quarter of a million pounds or more

zenda
zenda

Listening to Jefferson Hawkins and Mark Bunker so not stepping up  just now !

CudgelClever
CudgelClever

The headline reads [quote]Scientology on the High Seas: Hubbard Claims Victory Over the U.S. Navy [/quote]

It just dawned on me:  Davy has made similar claims about handling The Anonymous.  Both the US Navy and the Anonymous are still alfoat...

Sid
Sid

Hubbard's Orders Of The Day are so obviously the ramblings of a fantasist.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Glad for you, Eli! "New game" is not the best choice of words though. Wish you best. Truly.  

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

That B&W photo of LRH wearing a Beret made me worry about him.Was he into heavy OT research back then? He looks really rough orshould I say ridgy and MESTy? Gasp. 

Unex Skcus
Unex Skcus

"I also can't help enjoying the subtle slam at a competing religion there at the end: Catholic priest, reading last rites to an empty meat body with its thetan sitting across the street -- what a dumbass."  

Love it :)

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

Tony, if your Scientology story prospect list is getting a little short (which may never happen with the Scilon Spigot that seems to never end), how about we get a detailed story about David Love?  DL is much different than any other 'ex' story because he was hoodwinked into the cult through a different channel and never willfully volunteered to be a Scientologist.  

This guy has balls of steel and never sleeps.  His tireless crusade against Narconon may very well be a death blow to that financial stream in Canada, leading other countries to follow suit (except, of course, the US which is total fail at anything health-care related).

omg
omg

yeah - i flunked out - right out and i am never gonmna be 8Ced by any bitch senior again. i am hapoy succesful and free and ain't going back

Claude
Claude

Hey Scientologists/Freezoners/ExScn:

What one phrase really captures the "essence" of scientology for you?

Thanks!

Unex Skcus
Unex Skcus

 Insanity.  (oops, sorry, just realised that I don't fit into your categories)

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

 Well not that I'm an current or former member but I can say with a certain degree of certitude that perhaps the most important phrase in scientolgy is:

" Nothing in Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation."

If CoS has a mantra , that's it.

omg
omg

if you agree with everything then stay - if you don't leave. WEhen you get in you are offered help, say thank you for the help and give it to others if you wish - no need to be enslaved to the money tree and orders that go on. i got in 1969 - still in really,

Claude
Claude

Fascinating, thanks for your candor

zenda
zenda

 I meant phrase typo error lol

Claude
Claude

Well, I'd like to hear from the scientologists first!  

zenda
zenda

 What phase would you use claude?

Claude
Claude

"Step right up, step right up, you get three throws for three dollars, step right up."

OTVIIIisGrrr8!
OTVIIIisGrrr8!

We in RTC do not know whom we loathe more: Bitter defrocked apostates or wog SP's, Both groups incessantly post vitriolic anti-religious hate messages here at VV. The United Nations condemns HATE in its Human Rights Declaration. We in the Church of Scientology have a right to be protected against acts of hatred. Accordingly, we are asking the Dept of Homeland Security to have all of you haters arrested in a massive weekend sweep.

We in RTC suggest that all of you soon-to-be-arrested criminals put your affairs in order in preparation for a long time in prison. Of course many of you will skip town as you have in the past when faced with imminent arrest for your crimes. Actual research indicates that fully 100% of VV readers have lengthy arrest records that, if added together, would circle the Earth twenty-two times.

We in RTC do not understand why bitter defrocked apostates like Hawkins or Bornstein need to  constantly be busy attacking Scientology if they supposedly have better lives after going AWOL from the Church of Scientology. If their lives were so good post-Scientology then they would be doing something better than attacking Scientology. All we in RTC can surmise is that they have O/W's against the Church.

We in RTC further note that we have seen not one single penny in Freeloader Debt repaid by either of these people or their fellow conspirators. One characteristic of bitter defrocked apostates is that they not only refuse to pay Freeloader Debt but they celebrate the fact that they will not pay a debt owed. For years or decades we gave these bitter defrocked apostates the world's best training in the Tech. All we ask is to be paid back the cost of this training.

We in RTC think that repaying Freeloader Debt will free these people to move on with their lives. If they pay by credit card this weekend we will reduce their Freeloader Debt by 47.5%.

Unex Skcus
Unex Skcus

 Thank f*ck there's a voice of rationality in this forum at times. <grin></grin>

loulai
loulai

To Jonathan Barbera: Personally, I'm glad to see you participating in the blog. Engagement with people of various points of view is key to expansion of the mind, an essential part of the real bridge to total freedom. I'm glad you haven't been chased away.

zenda
zenda

 TR 7: High School Indoc."LOOK AT THAT WALL!" "THANK YOU!""WALK OVER TO THAT WALL!" "THANK YOU!""TOUCH THAT WALL" "THANK YOU!""TURN AROUND!" "THANK YOU!"

[ These exact commands and acknowledgements are given to the coach withTone 40 Intention (intention without reservation or limit). The coach'sbody is then forced, by being physically restrained and dragged ifnecessary, to comply with the command. Coach does not do more thanphysically thwart the student from forcing him to comply. But not toohard. ]

This training routine gets the student accustomed to the idea ofcontrolling and restraining others, and thereby accustomed to being controlled . In real-world terms, Tone 40 involvestalking in a forceful enough voice so that the target knows you meanbusiness. It works well on three year olds, though in most adultinteractions where common goals motivate cooperation or compliance, Tone40 invokes resentment. This Training Routine is not about communicationin the real world. It is about the way communication works inScientology.

Here, Hubbard's message is clear: non-compliance with Scientology'scommands, especially during auditing, will be met with escalating levelsof force - non-verbal, verbal, shouting, and physical. When you sign upfor services, you give away your right to resist, since it's just your"case" talking. Your case is something to be "handled", and it can behandled up to the point of physical intervention.    I find this very interesting, from the same source as below

Green Day
Green Day

Sea Org is full of ill-tempered people who scream abusively at each other constantly. Sea Org is full of people who threaten each other and stab each other in the back.

Being able to scream at others while acting like a self-righteous jerk is the Sea Org way. At some point, Sea Org members become very brittle and can't have "two way comm." All they can do is scream at others. Shit rolls downhill and so does cruelty and abuse. The Sea Org is a giant downhill sewer that bullshit, cruelty, and abuse endlessly flows down.

Sea Org members think they have the right to scream at people and that their victims have no right to talk back. This is exactly how cowardly child-beaters and wife-beaters act. It is all a "one way flow" in which the Sea Org member screams at others and abuses others. Wally Hanks and David Miscavige are no different at all.

Sea Org creates one product and one product only and that is screaming homo novis freaks. They are not robots. They are freaks. No one out in the world acts like Sea Org freaks.

The Church of Scientology might have billions of dollars, but in real terms the Church is not worth one fucking dime.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Sea Org screams at Sea Org because it's on source thing to do. Duh.Check your The Way To Happiness vs. Ethics Book references.Good luck making sense out of it all. KSW rocks like that.

omg
omg

in an org there is no limit to it - a senior can apply TR 6 - 9 see. there is no kidnapping and physiacl restraint in scientology - even 8C to mest work and those inside know it. they know their family is just a GE - they eschew mest, see inside it is 'right' and they wog world needs to be changed and they agree to these 'data'. in ksw make the penalties for non-compliance too gruesom to contemplate - like showing the scio world debb ie's penalty makes others compliant and if you are no case gain or develop an illness showing you are pts then ethics has to apply - all lrh

Victoriapandora
Victoriapandora

But I have also seen it help people come clean off addictive drugs. Perhaps structure and process is the key here. And looking back, these addicts had a lot of nervous body problems that talk therapy alone would not solve. And I never thought more drugs was the answer to drug addiction. Just trying to get this straight somehow, since I have first hand seen positive results.

sharkattacksteve
sharkattacksteve

There is no way that is medically possible that you can detox people who are addicted to certain drugs that can be detoxed without using a "gradient" process using similar drugs. Anything else is medically hazardous and irresponsible and cruel.

omg
omg

the off drugs is by a nutrition and discipline program - works well, then peer pressure kicks in - but the nutrition comes from 'chemical engine' tech of victor rocine and raw food diet

bobx
bobx

That so-called "tech" kills some of them.

zenda
zenda

Yes structure and stability is a key i think also, there again many to my knowledge go back on the drugs, and  there are not many trained , if any , staff in those drug rehabilitation centres

zenda
zenda

 The second lie is that these TRs improve your ability tocommunicate. In fact, they are an introduction to Scientology dogma,which comes part and parcel with the "theory" behind the routines. Theresult is a continuous Scientology info-mercial. Rather than

communicating with the real world, the terms are defined relative toScientology, which only helps you communicate with other Scientologists.In other words, the TRs are indoctrination.

Again from secrets of scientology websiteWell there you have it

omg
omg

in trs - which are made to train auditors 'handling an origination' is burying it so the command can be repeated. remember the pc is in a locked room away from the door - TR4 is really TR3 ' repeat the question with a slight variation to get the pc back on the auditors track

In the STCC the drills teach you to manipulate the other -person into your way of thinkiing or into buying or doing what you want - trouble starts when two scientologists expect to be cause and won't accept effect because they are taught to be that way - so get to loggerheads. and when you try to use strict tr 3 -4 on wogs they dont like itTr 0 - 4 works for auditors and seniors. STCC works for sellers and manipulators. I use Tr 0 2 with brilliant results and otherwise general relaxed conversation. In am eeting Tr 3 - 4 is useful but then most meertings i go to with wogs the chair seems to be using TR 3 -4 without calling it that - it stops waffling off - teachers do it, doctors do it but they just don't call it that - pollies do it to reporters

Commenter  Ne Plus Ultra
Commenter Ne Plus Ultra

You're joking about calling people 'wogs', right?  I mean, you're just using that term because this blog is about scn and that's a word they use, right?  Or what?

zenda
zenda

  Hubbard said, "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIETO THEM..., because the second you start telling anybody close to thetruth, you start releasing him and he gets tougher and tougher tocontrol." - Technique 88 . The fundamental lie of these TRs isthat they are a "Communication Course", which is how they were presentedto me when I first entered Scientology in the early 1980s. The TRsfirst appeared in HCOB June 11, 1957 as "processes", a Scientology termfor thought conditioning (for example, Auditing is a process.

Found on secrets of scientology web site

HYPNOSIS , I would say so

N. Graham
N. Graham

Not to changethe subject too much, but Celebrity Centre wise, there have been a lot ofpeople who seemed to have not fully benefited from their Scientologyexperience.  For instance, Corin Nemec.  In 1990, the movie Ferris Buehler’s Day Off was considered still marketable and NBCbrought out a TV show to cash in on it. However, even with Jennifer Aniston as the female lead, the showcouldn’t match the hipness of the movie and was gone after a few months.  In September 1990, Fox Network was the newnetwork and was producing many shows aimed at the young demographic. One oftheir first successes was a Ferris Buehler’sDay Off knockoff that was a bit slicker, smoother, and funnier than NBC’sattempt.  Called Parker Lewis Can’t Lose, it starred Corin Nemec.  The show got good ratings and lasted threeyears, as opposed to the three weeks most new Fox shows often last. As the showended, Corin Nemec had been recruited into the Celebrity Centre and was startingto use that Scientology tech to become a superstar.  Soon he was joining the cast of a Stargatespin-off in its 5th season to become a “recurring” character.  If that wasn’t enough to send him into theHollywood stratosphere, he is now the second banana to Married With Children’s David Faustino on a 10-minute webshow.  His favorite L. Ron Hubbard quote,according to his “personal (Scientology) website,” is “A culture is only asgreat as its dreams, and its dreams are dreamed by artists.”  His website, at http://web.archive.NOTorgNOT/web/20070928214328/http://www.oursites.org/corinn... out the NOTs)  mentions under the “My success in Scientology” that besides an actor, he isalso a writer, painter, philosopher, and poet. Good luck with that Corin!

How about Karen Black? For a long time in the lateseventies, before her star blacked out completely, she was THE celebrityScientologist.  In fact, being acelebrity Scientologist was the only thing she was famous for, for a longtime.  After she was a big success with Easy Rider and Five Easy Pieces, she joined Scientology and was soon a minorsupporting character in   Airport ’75, Zapped Again! and Return ofthe Roller Blade Seven. By the 1980s, her fame was chiefly perpetuated bybeing known as the main Scientology poster child, until she was superseded by thosefamed thetan-blasters John Travolta and Kirstie Alley. Many people areastounded to hear that she hasn’t died yet.

Haywood Nelson-Once famous for playing Dwayne on the1970s sitcom What’s Happening!, Mr.Nelson joined Scientology and has not been heard from since.

Incredible String Band- They were once an English award-winning“psychedelic folk band,” lauded by all the hipsters of the mid-1960s, includingPaul McCartney and Donovan. Then the principal members went to Saint Hill.  Not long after the band broke up.

I’ll bet there’sa lot “celebrities” that just didn’t get that push from being clear and OT thatKirstie and Katie got. Maybe they are just too suppressive, maybe just too manyengrams.  Who knows?

 

 

 

Ivy Mapother
Ivy Mapother

I, for one, look forward to Fridays and the Orders of the Day. These writings give a great glimpse in to the mind of a loon. I, and others, have said before, why aren't the independents piping in? This source at it's best. It's not being compiled, bound and re-sold by David Miscavige. It's just put out there to take in, soak up and enjoy. It's great to hear from the real free and clear old timers. They fill in the details and help to make sense of the Commodore's ramblings, maybe not sense, how about historical context. Any way, the entertainment vaule is priceless to us watchers.

Every Friday, I drop over at Marty's slag pile. Never a single word about this stuff. There's the published testimonials of new independents and all the welcome responses. That's a strange read at best. These guys love their LHR. They can't gush enough over the guy. Do they avoid the Orders of the Day for some reason? I read some where Mike Rinder was a deckhand on the Apollo. He's never chimed in here or there, why's that? Maybe he was in the chain locker the whole time and missed the orders. Who knows?

A few weeks ago, the Nashville Celebrity Centre had a public reading of Hubbard's pulp writings. Karin Pouw said it was a big success and more readings are planned for the future. A public reading of the Orders of the Day would be well worth the price of admission. At best, maybe Tony could supply the transcripts and friendly radio show might step up and bring this fun to the airwaves. Throw in some bonus Advance OT testimonials and let the chips fall as thay may.

Commenter  Ne Plus Ultra
Commenter Ne Plus Ultra

And throw in someone like Jason Beghe who could do an impressive hubbard impersonation!!  What a show!

loulai
loulai

Rinder does comment on Rathbun's blog. He obviously supports the Independant movement but he doesn't seem quite so oblivious as to Hubbard. He criticizes Miscavige but is silent as to Hubbard i.e. he is not constantly deifying the old gangster.

zenda
zenda

 [A 'suppressive Person' is ] Fair Game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by a Scientologist without discipline of the Scientologist [sic] May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed

-L. Ron Hubbard  There you go folks , thats LRH  for you, I wonder  if any Independant Scientologist  following  LRHs teachings will adhere to this?

zenda
zenda

People are searching for truth, and a better future, they know deep inside they are not perfect .  There is a void, and nothing , not money , not anything can fill that void, scientology  appears on the surface to be able to address those imperfection/ It appears squeaky clean.  However once in its like a drug, you become addicted to the e meter, and they appear to be brainwashed to such a level, that the person would believe anything and follow.  Sheep led away to the slaughterIts a vicious circle of deceit and lies

loulai
loulai

So many people explore Scientology as public but leave it when they spot the BS-usually pretty early on in the experience.. What is it about those who join as adults and go forward into the swamp? We know many of them are intelligent, and idealistic. But surely they must have gotten that curdled feeling in the pit of the somach that says "RUN"". I'm not talking about the point after decades when people face disconnection from family, friends, and business associates. The signal that I'm talking about would have come long before an individual has lost so many years to the cult.

Nibbles42
Nibbles42

"But surely they must have gotten that curdled feeling in the pit of the somach that says "RUN""."

That's quite an assumption.  The entire structure of $CN eases new people into things, building trust in the "tech" (which at that level is just basic stuff you could find in a lot of self-help books, just with a little different vocabulary) and getting big early wins (aka, making people feel like they're making huge progress in dealing with a personal issue).  They stay in because they want to feel those "wins" again, and they want to help other people and think they're doing that through $CN.  I bet a lot of them DON'T ever feel a "run" moment, because they don't see anything bad until they're already hooked, and by then they're trained that bad stuff is the fault of whomever is suffering it.  That's how cults work.  Watch the series of Jason Beghe videos; they're fascinating because he talks a lot about his thinking as he was getting in deeper and deeper.

Unex Skcus
Unex Skcus

The easiest person to con is a conman. Perhaps as a parallel, those that actively seek 'answers' to life and it's mysteries, are most easily misled?

Commenter  Ne Plus Ultra
Commenter Ne Plus Ultra

Oh honey, where to start?  This question gets asked and asked and asked and sometimes with great vigor and indignation (look for LeeAnnClark's comments on the subject).  Many and more attempts have been made to answer and there are several excellent books on the subject of cult indoctrination/attraction.  Why DO intelligent people fall for this crap?   Where to start...Perhaps Anonymous says it best:  lurk moar

zenda
zenda

Skip obviously doesnt display any emotions

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