Scientology: Told to Chill in Texas, and Another Embarrassing Admission in Israel (UPDATED)

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Judge Cathy Stryker
After a flurry of court filings in the Church of Scientology's lawsuit against former church executive Debbie Cook, there was a showdown of sorts this morning at the Bexar County, Texas courthouse.

Leading up to the hearing, Scientology's attorneys had been pushing for a fast resolution to the case, asking for summary judgment from the court in what it calls a simple contract dispute. Debbie Cook, on the other hand, was asking the court to slow things down so she could get some discovery out of the church, including a deposition, videotapes, and other evidence she needs to prove that her 2007 non-disclosure agreement was signed under duress. The church argued back that none of that discovery was necessary as the case was so simple and its position so strong.

This morning, Bexar County District Judge Cathy Stryker told Scientology to cool its jets.

She pushed back a hearing on its motion for summary judgment from March 23 to May 7. In the meantime, the church will have to answer Cook's request for a deposition by naming a church official who can be made available for it. And, by next week, the church should have to begin answering some of Cook's other requests for information.

"It was a good day for us, and they didn't seem to leave the courtroom very happy," Ray Jeffrey told me this afternoon by telephone.

"It was a real dog fight. More than I thought it would be," he says. "They had about eight people on their side. I was down there by myself with Debbie and Wayne. I'm not sure how many were lawyers and how many were Scientology folks. I know a couple of them were Sea Org folks from California."

(Jeffrey and I both laughed about this. Earlier this week, the church complained in a court filing that it would be burdensome for Scientology to be expected to send someone from its Flag Service Organization in Florida for a deposition in Texas -- those of us familiar with the church know that in fact it flies its executives and operatives all over the country at the drop of a hat.)

"The judge ruled that we are entitled to additional time to get discovery. The other side argued vociferously that we don't need any discovery, that the case is so cut and dried no additional information was necessary. She didn't buy that. She continued it to May 7," she says.

He added that the church has until Wednesday to send a list of topics they agree to and the name of a church official who will be made available for deposition. "If they respond in a way that's unacceptable to me, I'll have to go back to court and complain about it," he says.

This morning's hearing lasted about an hour, and I asked Jeffrey if there were any moments that stood out.

There was a humorous exchange when, he says, he was trying not to go into too much detail with a judge who had only received the case that morning. (In Bexar County's scheme, the case has been heard by three different judges for its three separate hearings.)

"The judge was obviously not familiar with the case, and when it was mentioned that it had received media attention and that there were reporters in the courtroom, she looked at me and said, 'What is this case about?' I told her I'd be happy to give her some background. Spencer then jumped up and said judge, you should just read our motion for summary judgment. But she didn't buy that," Jeffrey says. She allowed him to give her some background on what had happened at the remarkable February 9 hearing, when Debbie Cook stunned the courtroom with testimony about incarceration and abuse of church executives at Scientology's California international headquarters.

"She just wanted some background on what the heck the case was about," he says.

At another point, Jeffrey says, Scientology's attorneys argued that they needed the case to be hurried because they were losing the benefit of the agreement that Cook signed, which required her to be silent about the church.

"I pointed out that they were the ones who withdrew the injunction, and all that's left is a lawsuit about damages. They already lost the benefit of the bargain if that's what they think they're entitled do under the contract, her silence. They withdrew that when they withdrew their request for the injunction," he says.

Judge Stryker apparently agreed, and set things back, giving Cook time to begin getting evidence she needs on her side.

I asked Jeffrey if he or Cook recognized all of the people who seemed to be in the courtroom on Scientology's side. He said they didn't know who everyone was.

"There was one fellow in a trench coat, none of us knew who he was. Someone asked him his name, and he said they didn't need to know his name," Jeffrey says.

Spooky!


UPDATED: Columnist Brian Chasnoff tells this last anecdote in his own eyewitness account at the San Antonio Express-News tonight. He also does a fine job summing up Debbie Cook's situation and the odd position of the church -- that the way it punishes people is an ecclesiastical matter.

But we'll point out that the church may paint itself into a corner with that excuse. As Ray Jeffrey put it in his interrogatories, is it really a religious value to have a church executive lick a bathroom floor for half an hour? Really?



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Meanwhile, in Israel, another interesting admission by Scientology's attorneys. A couple of weeks ago, we told you about a surprising development in the church's fight with an Arab Muslim contractor who had renovated the Jaffa building it intends to be an "Ideal Org."

Naif Salati says that he finished the renovation but was shorted by the church, which used a front to hire him and never informed him who he was actually working for. Scientology claims that Salati never finished the renovation and doesn't deserve any more money.

In December, however, we published a video on our website which was recorded in October showing Scientology leader David Miscavige showing an extensive visual tour of the building, and telling a crowd of thousands that it was in magnificent shape, was completely renovated and staffed, and was "the new Church of Scientology in Israel" -- implying that it was open for business.

We pointed out that when we visited the building in November, it did appear to be renovated, but it wasn't open for business.

Anyway, that video we showed here was grabbed by Salati's attorney, Eitan Erez, who entered it into evidence in the lawsuit to show that even the church's leader is saying publicly that the renovation was completed and fabulous.

We reported that Scientology's own attorneys, in a subsequent court filing, admitted that the video footage was actually faked for the benefit of "donors." We pointed out the stunning fact that Scientology's own attorneys were saying in a court document that Miscavige had pulled a fast one and had shown fake footage for fundraising purposes.

Well, now a newspaper in Israel, Yediot Tel Aviv, has published a story about this incident, under the headline "The Glamorous Video, Photoshop, and the Donors." (Heh.)

And we're thrilled to see that reporter Yoav Malka managed to get a response from Michael Deker of Yehuda Rave and Associates, the attorneys working for the church:

"Since we are dealing with a film that is meant to get donors, significant defects were concealed on purpose. Naturally, if the clip is for the donors, I will not show them the holes in the floor, urine and feces of Salati's workers left on the roof, and I will not show the electric cords that we had to remove because of the severe negligence of Salati."

Well, the attorney can trash Salati all he wants, but every time he talks about concealing the truth for donors, a body thetan gets its wings.

We don't know if Salati will win his court case -- he's appealing a dismissal of his temporary foreclosure order by a district court -- but as long as he keeps getting admissions out of Scientology that David Miscavige is putting on dog and pony shows for the fundraising fun of it, well, we hope this case never ends.



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Tony Ortega has been the editor in chief of the Village Voice since March, 2007. He started writing about Scientology in 1995. You can reach him by e-mail at tortega@villagevoice.com, and if you ask nicely he'll put you on his mailing list for notifications of new stories, which tend to come out each and every morning at 8 am, but can suddenly appear at any time of the day. You can also catch his alerts at Twitter (@VoiceTonyO), at his Facebook author page, on Pinterest, a Tumblr, and even this new Google Plus doohickey.

New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories. As for our regular features, on Thursdays we do a roundup of world press, on Fridays we visit L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo circa 1969-1971, on Saturdays we celebrate the week's best comments, and on Sundays we publish Scientology's wacky and tacky advertising mailers that people send us.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.


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Painting San Antonio
Painting San Antonio

Very revealing cheers, It looks like your audience might want even more items such as this continue the excellent effort. 

Gl50
Gl50

I have read that DM likes to think of himself as the "Pope" of Scn.   I just can't imagine the real Pope taking a picture while sitting on a Ducati motorcycle next to a Hollywood celebrity.  Message to Tom Cruise - watch Vanilla Sky again and pay close attention to the ending  - OPEN YOUR EYES

Myriam_Breitman
Myriam_Breitman

This comment is pure OCD- to make the amount of comments on this article an even 200. 

scilonschools
scilonschools

Funny day march 9, i was in my own battles with the first Hearing of my appeal for a conviction of harrassment (following complaint from my brother)The Administration of Justice in the initial case at Worthing Magistratyes court (UK) was 'unusual' to put it mildly!!

Anyway a notice was sent to start the appeal at 'big boys court' (Crown Court), the notice gave the date and time of listing clearly as March 9, NOT BEFORE  2:00pm.

From previous history i decided to phone during lunch break of the court listing officer on March 8, to speak to a DIFFERENT listing officer.

How BIZZARE the listing was actually 10:30am, no change of time had been sent to me, lucky i phoned ! (if i hadn't and turned up at 2:00pm the appeal would have been dismissed) :)

Don't you just LOVE CRIMINAL CULTS!!!!

Jgg
Jgg

  Maybe the Church of Scientology should have sued Cook on another planet.

The Ghost of Steve Jobs
The Ghost of Steve Jobs

And how come, Tony, you don't identify any of the Jewish Israelis as "Israeli Jews"????? WTF is up with that double standard? You identify an Israeli of Arab ethnicity, of Muslim faith, as "Arab Muslim" (but not Israeli), and his obviously Jewish attorney as nothing - we are simply to assume "Israeli."

And how do you know the contractor is Muslim? There is nothing Muslim about his name, certainly, so he could very well be Christian, or Druze. Where is the evidence that he is Muslim?

You are nothing short of a racist and anti-Muslim bigot, Tony.

The Ghost of Steve Jobs
The Ghost of Steve Jobs

Exactly why does Tony keep singling out the contractor in Israel as "Arab Muslim"? WTF is up with this racial profiling, Tony? Do you consider Arabs and/or Arab Muslims (as you know, not all Israeli Arabs are Muslim, and not all Israeli Muslims are Arabs) to be foreigners in Israel?

Tony, I like your blog, but for heavens sake, stop being racist and anti-Muslim! I've called you out on this before and I'll call you out on it again until you stop!

Artoo45
Artoo45

A great ruling. I hope judge Stryker keeps her eyes peeled and her pets indoors . . .

wannabeclear
wannabeclear

The Co$ has until next Wednesday to answer the request for a deposition, and they will obviously (as they've already laid out in filings) object to as many topics on the depo list as they can possibly think they'll get away with.  Ray Jeffrey is already preparing to haul them back to court over an unsatisfactory response.  Anyone willing to lay a bet on whether they'll use the "we couldn't possibly get someone to Texas in such a short amount of time" argument again?  Because, they provided his easily winnable argument yesterday, by coming to court with eight or so "church" drones, many of them straight outta Cali (and/or possibly Florida).  

The topic objections may be trickier.  It will be interesting to see which ones the court is willing to let slide because of first amendment/freedom of religion argument that the "church" likes to wrap itself in.  However, there are quite a number of topics that they'll get laughed out of court trying to argue are ecclesiastical matters -- like say, surveillance of Debbie, Wayne, and Ray Jeffrey.  And now that the court has said that discovery can go forward, the Co$ has already created a list of the topics they are willing to produce witnesses on, 13 of the 30 initial topics submitted by Ray Jeffrey.  While I think there's still some fighting to be done to get some of those other 17 topics answered, it will be interesting to see who they present to answer on things like security arrangements (#3, 4 and 9), the tiny tyrant's and the RTC's direction or involvement in Debbie and Wayne's departure (#25 and 26), Debbie and Wayne's compensation and vacation during their time in the Sea Org (#7) as well as the source, purpose, and rationale behind the $50K payoffs they received upon leaving (#28).

Should be very interesting to see how the "church" tries to worm their way out of the list of topics they've already conceded that they'll answer.  Have I mentioned that I've made some popcorn and I'm sitting here getting ready for the big show?  

Chrisgilbertson
Chrisgilbertson

There is the potential with this case for the church to produce the Hubbard reference commonly referred to as "too gruesome". It is the reference used to justify many, many weird and wonderful abuses on it's members.

I hope this thing gets into that level of detail!

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

With lines like: "You don't need to know my name." one wonders if trench coat man wasn't in fact Tom Cruise disguised as a man in a trench coat. :D

mjm
mjm

just read on google news that T. Cruise is being considered to costar with Beyonce in the Clint Eastwood directed remake of A Star Is Born (why remake it in the first place?) in the Norman Maine role, but his pal Will Smith, Christian Bale, Leo DiCaprio and Russell Crowe have also been considered for the part.

If I'm casting based on current b.o. bankability, I'm guessing that either Bale or DiCaprio will be cast.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

The mysterious trench coat man is indeed very spooky. I read the San Antonio piece, that said:

"George Spencer, an attorney for the church, included in his arguments a notable statement:

“What's an appropriate way to discipline within the church,” he said, “such things are off-limits to the courts.”

Isn't this just enough to give you the chills? How this lawyer can keep this up with a straight face, is beyond me.

....but, I 'do' enjoy how vehement and wholesale denial has suddenly changed to “What's an appropriate way to discipline within the church, such things are off-limits to the courts.”

Checkmate, Miscavige. Not sure in which reality you and your cronies live, but here on planet earth, the wheels of justice grind slowly but exceedingly fine. You have left a wreckage of others' lives and dreams in your wake, but it's their turn now.

......grind..........grind...........grind.........such a soothing sound......

Barbara Snow
Barbara Snow

"the church's spiritual and lucrative headquarters in Clearwater, Fla."-- Mr. Chasnoff also does a fine job of characterizing the spiritual nature of Scientology. 

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Last time I checked, floor-licking is not even part of OT VIII. I am curious though. It might change soon. Scientology justice can be pretty oily.

 Thetan-X
Thetan-X

"Please, come look at this beautiful gazebo we have built to honor our lord and savior L Ron Hoobard, isn't it lovely ?"..."oh no no please no,no...noooo do not look behind ....oh nooo...ah, okay, okay!"...." yes yes it is a card-board gazebo, BUUUUUT do NOT tell anyone it is a cardboard gazebo or we will loose many many MANNY IAS Donations"!!!.................          ......................              .......................              .......................And thats right folks, nothing is more important than *mutha fuchin money* !!!So what!! we have a piece of crap Org with a bunch of shit on the roof, big fuckin deal!!  but by little Davie's estimation its the gad-damned Taj Mahal !!!

wannabeclear
wannabeclear

Doesn't the fact that the Co$ dropped the request for a temporary injunction make it much more difficult for them to argue that there are continuing damages or even that the damages they say have occurred (to the tune of $100K per incident), could possibly be all that damaging in the first place, if they were willing to end their pursuit of a temporary injunction?  I know what they say their reason was for ending it (as well as the real reason for ending it), but logically, their argument doesn't seem to hold much water if they weren't even willing to finish out the hearing that they themselves had requested. Am I wrong?

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

Dear Ms. Cook,

I hope you don't mind my candid language in my comment that is addressed to you, and I hope you don't mind my candid words.  I believe the Tech you hold dear has courses that teach such confrontational communication skills, no?  I jest, but in seriousness you may want to read this if you would like more donations for your legal defense from non-Scientologists/Scientology critics.  From what we are reading on the legal wrangling (and a prognosis for drawn out litigation), you may need our help eventually.  I do hope you read this.

I may not speak for many here on the Village Voice, but I know I'm not alone in my sentiments.  I respect and acknowledge your suffering, your pain, and I personally cannot speak as one who committed decades of my life to a cause like you did.  I do admire the drive it took to endure what you and your husband endured.  

But a high level respect is where my admiration for you abruptly ends.  It ends because I never spent years pressuring my direct reports to unethically pressure 'Bodies in the Shop' for thousands to satisfy a weekly statistic so I could get a commission (that bought me a luxury car).  I never forced sales on people that could not pay their mortgages.  I never had first-hand involvement in the negligent homicide of a parishioner, which caused Lisa McPherson's family members unbearable pain.  I never participated in disconnecting mothers from sons, fathers from daughters, husband from wife.

You, Ms. Cook, did participate in all of the above actions plus many, many more awful acts of unkindness.  Once you look deeply within yourself, without all of the LRH-driven 'applied philosophies' to justify your actions, you will see a person that needs redemption and forgiveness.  We are ALL HUMAN, and we all need forgiveness at some point in our short lives.  You need it more than most.

But the person that I will donate money to is the person that asks for forgiveness from their victims and from the general public, publicly displays and decries their sins, and actively works for a better future without being pious or arrogant.  

Do you think you are that person?  If so, you may have a long path to gain my respect but it is possible, but when you refuse to publicly admit to your past transgressions like your friends Rathbun and Rinder, then I will just sit in the sidelines and hope for the best but expect the worst.  It sounds like you may need help from people like me.  But I will be happy to sit on the sidelines and watch.  I would like to help you, but I don't help those that refuse to help those they hurt.

Think about it.  We'll be here for awhile.

 

It's Obvious
It's Obvious

Thanks DC! I appreciate your reply, and I fully agree.Even though I am new, I have done my research. I am aware of the way things have turned out in similar situations in regards to this cult and the courts.I HAVE to believe that the Righteous will prevail! I respect most here for the simple fact that they keep fighting, even under these heinous circumstances. The injustices that have been going on for so long are maddening. It takes a lot of strength to not due something inappropriate. Again, that's coming from a newbie. I can only tell you all that I respect your civility and dedication. I am honestly concerned what might happen if the righteous don't prevail. It's just human law. Injustices can not continue in a civilized world. There is a breaking point, and it has been proven on many occasions.

Carisa Marion
Carisa Marion

Tony,

You keep blowing me away with your understanding of Scientology and the inner workings. You really do get it.  When I read that phrase, ...." Every time he talks about concealing the truth for donors 'a body thetan gets its wings.' I was cracking up!  Ain't that the truth!  That has got to be the best line ever written by a journalist reporting on the cult of Scientology.  Keep up the great work!

Carisa Marion

InTheNameOfXenu
InTheNameOfXenu

"Well, the attorney can trash Salati all he wants, but every time he talks about concealing the truth for donors, a body thetan gets its wings."LOL! That's classic, Tony!

SP 'Onage
SP 'Onage

San Antonio Express article:

Battle with Church of Scientology not over

Debbie Cook is not alone.

I mean this in two ways.

First, Cook believes people are following her. As a former top official of the Church of Scientology whom the church has expelled and sued, she considers this de rigueur.

I spoke with her this week at the office of her attorney, Ray Jeffrey, in Bulverde.

“The surveillance of my office, as far as I can tell, is limited to when Debbie is here,” Jeffrey said. “They've come through the parking lot before with video cameras and videoed the license plates.”

Cook agreed.

“They know where I am,” she said, “and also who else is here.”

I glanced outside at my beat-up Toyota and decided to stay.

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On Jan. 1, Cook sent an email to about 3,000 Scientologists questioning the church's practices. In it, she suggests the exalted position of Miscavige is a corruption of the religion itself, which she still practices.

In Jeffrey's office, she went further.

“He's a tyrant,” she told me. “He's vicious beyond belief.”

This is the second way in which Cook is not alone.

Read the rest at San Antonio Express

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

What is the sound of a one-handed puppet clapping?

grundoon
grundoon

David Miscavige thinks nothing of lying to his parishioners, many of them lifelong Scientologists, to ecclesiastically drain their wallets. To do otherwise would be inexplicable, as Scientology's lawyer quite reasonably pointed out to the judge and the press.

But payments to a wog contractor are a far different matter. It would be preposterous to suggest that David Miscavige would cheat a workingman who is not even a parishioner and thus ineligible to attend these Scientology video presentations of an ecclesiastical nature, which are held exclusively for donors.

And lying to the judge is right out, of course.

Media_lush
Media_lush

If you type "trench coat man + scientology" into google images the first pic you get is of Rick Astley!

It's like someone knew already....., oh the lulz!

Media_lush
Media_lush

If you type "trench coat man + scientology" into google images the first pic you get is of Rick Astley!

It's like someone knew already....., oh the lulz!

It's Obvious
It's Obvious

My oh my!It feels so good when the right side prevails. It feels awesome when justice is served.It feels encouraging when truth is recognized. It feels heavenly when evil is exposed and told to STFU.Ok, thats my lil bit of gloating.I understand it is a long road before true justice is served and this is just the first inning of a nine inning battle. I also understand that I am personally just joining the game. I am just as happy for the dedicated ones here that have been fighting the good fight for so many years as I am to see this evil scam to be exposed. Ok, that might be an exaggeration, but you get what I am saying. Everyone of you will deserve a huge thank you once the whole truth is revealed.And once again......Tony....you da Man!

Miss Tater Head
Miss Tater Head

Tony! Tony! Tony! A Body Thetan get's his wings. You slay me. I need to hug you!

DMSTCC
DMSTCC

Off topic:  Odd tweet...

EminemsRevenge@kirstiealley Having #Scientology "studs" SAVED from becoming#homos swallowing a LOAD is the best way to be #ForeverYoung!

Too Much
Too Much

Trench coat  man could have been John Travolta still in his Terl costume.

Too Much
Too Much

"...the church will have to answer Cook's request for a deposition by naming a church official who can be made available for it..."

Let's see... Who can commit the most amount of TR-L perjury and get away with it. Shall we try Tommy Davis? How about Heber Jentzsch. Humm... Maybe Wgert or Russel Shaw?

Oh! I know! Jan Eastgate isn't doing anything important right now, is she? Let's get her!

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

Yes they should have sued on Planet Houston.

Guest
Guest

You're a moron. Did you miss the original article about the Jaffa Org suit, when the lawyer told Tony that the contractor was a religious Muslim man that had been to Mecca on a pilgrimage?   

Here is what the original article said: Salati was an interesting choice for the job. He's not only a skilled contractor, he's also a deeply religious man. As his Tel Aviv attorney Eitan Erez told me, Salati has 6 children, 17 grandchildren, and has been to Mecca on Hajj 13 times. "A Muslim is obliged to take the trip once in his lifetime. Mr. Salati is very dedicated," Erez told me.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

"Racial profiling??" Oh?? A "Chinese contractor"...a "Japanese Contractor"...a "Congolese contractor"...good heavens! As someone who happens to have researched the Middle East for years now, even I know that the term "Isreali" is generally perceived as Jewish, so when someone happens to be a Muslim Arab in Israel, you specify it.

Also, some food for thought for you, "Muslim Arabs" are proud to be called MuslimArabs, they don't consider it a derogatory term. It's only in some fundamentalist Republican war-hungry circles that it happens to be considered "derogatory".

Nice try through, but the job of a journalist is to sketch as complete a picture as possible, and someone's ethnicity and religion is pretty relevant in that bare stretch of desert East of the Med.

The fact that you perceive "Arab Muslim" as a derogatory term speaks volumes about YOU, no-one else...

...and I happen to be very sympathetic towards the inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank...I think all the Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - are pretty toxic these days.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

I hope Tom Cruise is the co-star and takes the role of Norman Maine because Maine kills himself at the end.  I'll probably enjoy that scene.

A Star is Born has been made three times.  Only one was good so the chances are good that unless Tom stars against zombie Judy Garland, it will suck.

Gl50
Gl50

He lives on Teegeeack, remember?

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

By the way, Tony, there's someone missing in your "25 people crippling Scientology" piece ;)

..the Torpedo!

Dean Fox
Dean Fox

Mike and Marty have spoken publicly about some of the things they've done and have being seeking to make amends in their own way. Some may forgive them, others will never forgive them. All they can do is the best they can.

As you say you've not walked in Debbie's shoes. You don't know what it's like to realise a lot of what you did thinking it was right was at best immoral. I expect there are a few things on Debbie's conscience. It's going to take a long time for her to figure it out though.

Also, what you seem to be calling for is the same kind of humiliating public admissions session the church of scientology abuses staff with. Admit your crimes to the group and beg forgiveness. That's not really necessary. As with Mike and Marty and others I expect we'll see a gradual acceptance and signs of wanting to put it right.

Guest
Guest

I'd like to know what amends were made to Pia Gardini, for example.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

I agree with your sentiments, It's Obvious.  Like most Scientology Rodeo watchers here, I've seen the strong cowboy bucked off the bull after only 2 seconds and been disappointed.  Debbie Cook is the rare cowboy that isn't letting go of a very weak bull (with no nuts), but I'm afraid we'll get the same result.

I'm glad to see any and all newbies here, because that means that word is spreading about this evil cult.  Welcome and enjoy!  This is one mighty fine rodeo.

LightOfTruth123
LightOfTruth123

"It feels so good when the right side prevails. It feels awesome when justice is served.It feels encouraging when truth is recognized. It feels heavenly when evil is exposed and told to STFU."

Well said, with the corruption that is so rife nowadays, a little bit of justice can be very sweet.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

The righteous party may be obvious, It's Obvious, but that doesn't mean that the cult won't drag this out with ridiculous motions and discovery requests thereby weighing the judge into ridiculous details, which may blur Lady Justice.  

If you are new to the game, you may want to know that the cult has prevailed in previous lawsuits because of their tenacious and unlimited funds to pay attorneys.  Such attorneys try to dilute any short term wins with laborious, expensive, and seemingly endless motions.

This situation is different than most (we have the fearless Tony O, the Tampa Bay Times, local Texas media, and other disinfecting sunshine) but I've seen too many cases fizzle out before great justice prevails.  Let's hope that David Miscavige's hubris is too great to settle, as I rather enjoy this rally.  But be prepared to be disappointed.  

COREarg
COREarg

What the fucking ambulance...?

THE MENTAL IMAGE OF JOHN TRAVOLTA! Run to the hills!

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

I don't know about you all out there in Tony-Land, but I see a decent issue for the Plaintiffs to appeal with applying Texas disco rules to a case that is supposed to apply Florida law.

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

When did a public forum become a democracy with elections?  I'm just like you, an asshole with an opinion.  

DeckardCain
DeckardCain

Mike and Marty may have spoken publicly about select things they did, but rarely apologize for them without some type of "under orders" justification.  Both of them treat their critics with derision and spite, and they have a moral and ethical responsibility to the public for the beast they helped create.  Selectively helping the cult's victims through methods of their choosing (while making money doing it) isn't what I would call making amends.

They both deserve time behind bars, just like Miscavige.  One doesn't stop being a Capo for the Mafia, turn the other cheek, selectively help the FBI then get pissy when their victims want justice.

I am calling for all of them to publicly admit and atone for their crimes because they are all out there begging the public for money to help them.  It is the moral and ethical thing to do if they do not pay their debt to society behind bars (which we know won't happen).  

None of us are without sins, but even most religions and legal systems take note of different degrees of sin/harm saddled with different degrees of atonement/sentences.  These three have a LOT to atone for that we've yet to see.

Gerard Plourde
Gerard Plourde

Florida Law yes, but choice of law cases are always tried using the procedural rules of the jurisdiction in which they're filed. So Texas discovery rules are appropriate. COS has nothing to appeal here.

wannabeclear
wannabeclear

Except for the fact that the plaintiffs are the Co$.  They are the ones who brought the case in Texas.  They had a choice and then chose Texas, not Florida.

Jgg
Jgg

  opinions are like rear ends--everyone has one.

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