When Scientologists Talk To Each Other About Scientology

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I felt precious IQ draining away as I watched this video a few times, and I may not actually be doing our readers a service by subjecting them to it.

But sometimes, it's important to counter Scientology's preferred public image -- as a somewhat vague and possibly glamorous undertaking that appeals to beautiful people like Tom Cruise -- with the reality of what Scientologists actually say to each other when they try to convince each other to fork over large amounts of cash to "move up the Bridge to Total Freedom."

I know it's difficult, but please stick with this video so you can see the testimonials that start showing up about the 5-minute mark. And keep in mind -- these are people getting into the higher levels of a spiritual journey that promises to make them among the most brilliant and unhindered beings on the planet, and well on their way to superhuman status...

Rather than try to explain all of the jargon in this video, I'm posting this quickly so our illustrious commenting community can do what it does best and take this thing apart down to its fasteners and grease.

Commenters, please point out your favorite passage, and help beginners understand what in the blazes these people are talking about. The service you provide humanity will be priceless.

(For those new to the bewildering jargon of Scientology, please start with our primer, "What is Scientology?" And if you've never heard of the church's private cruise ship, please read the harrowing tales of what it's like to work on the barge in our interviews with Valeska Paris and Ramana Dienes-Browning.)



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Tony Ortega has been the editor in chief of the Village Voice since March, 2007. He started writing about Scientology in 1995. You can reach him by e-mail at tortega@villagevoice.com, and if you ask nicely he'll put you on his mailing list for notifications of new stories, which tend to come out each and every morning at 8 am, but can suddenly appear at any time of the day. You can also catch his alerts at Twitter (@VoiceTonyO), at his Facebook author page, and even this new Google Plus doohickey.

New readers might want to check out our primer, "What is Scientology?" Another good overview is our series from last summer, "Top 25 People Crippling Scientology." At the top of every story, you'll see the "Scientology" category which, if you click on it, will bring up all of our most recent stories. As for our regular features, on Thursdays we do a roundup of world press, on Fridays we visit L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo circa 1969-1971, on Saturdays we celebrate the week's best comments, and on Sundays we publish Scientology's wacky and tacky advertising mailers that people send us.

As for hot subjects we've covered here, you may have heard about Debbie Cook, the former church official who rebelled and is now being sued by Scientology. You might have also heard about the Super Power Building, Scientology's "Mecca," whose secrets were revealed here. We also reported how Scientology spied on its own most precious object, Tom Cruise. (We wrote Tom an open letter that he has yet to respond to.) Have you seen a Scientology ad on TV lately? We debunked some of the claims in that 2-minute commercial you might have seen while watching Glee or American Idol.

Other stories have looked at Scientology's policy of "disconnection" that is tearing families apart. You may also have heard something about the Sea Org experiences of the Paris sisters, Valeska and Melissa, and their friend Ramana Dienes-Browning. We've also featured Paulette Cooper, who wrote about Scientology back in the day, and Janet Reitman, Hugh Urban, and the team at the Tampa Bay Times, who write about it today. And there's plenty more coming.



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zenda of planet uranus
zenda of planet uranus

 d E-meterwarning was published in Federal food, drug, and cosmetic act:judicial and administrative record, 1969-1974, 1969-1974 FDCAJud. Rec. (FDLI) 90 (D.D.C. 1971) and 1969-1974 FDCA Jud. Rec. (FDLI)131 (D.C. Cir. 1973).

E-meters are assembled at "Gold Base",Scientology's armed compound in Hemet, California.

The St. Petersburg Times reportsit takes only 80 minutes to put one together, as the technician shownat left is doing.

And for this they charge over $4,000???

Boris
Boris

Wow! I am so keyed out!!!!!!!

Owe Tea
Owe Tea

I couldn't watch much before the nausea started.

You have to be OT to go OT is such a lovely statement, I might get tee shirts printed with that on to wear at my next demonstration. It says so much about what scientology really is. Illogical. 

benguile
benguile

A putatively wise man once said that you judge the tree by the fruit it bears.  I know that the main speaker is, if anything, the crown jewel of the various testimonializers here.  I did not find her happy, excited, motivated, etc. at all.  I felt she was ... not the highest toned person on the show at all.  Looked like the lowest tone?  And she did not look much like what I want to feel like.  Watch her forehead between the eyes, and look for her smiles.  I wonder how much of my opinion was shaded by the materials I read before watching the video!  LoL.  I think there is truth in the proposition that the CoS has, by its errors, enturbulated its own reputation to its own detriment and that of its prospective consumers.  I wonder how they are going to handle this?  I hope it produces a better, saner, and good approach to a basically laudable goal, to have everyone honest with themselves to the core of their beings, and seeking real goodness.  :) :D 

Empress
Empress

Lieutenant is misspelled in the opening  as Lieutennant

Jgg
Jgg

  "I don't hate him.  I pity the fool."  --  Clubber Lang, in Rocky III, when asked if he hated Balboa.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

OT VIII's are amazing. Can't wait for OT XV's. Demand Clears and OT's from your local Ideal Org!

Theoracle
Theoracle

Tony,  there is  injustice in announcing this is how Scientologists talk to one another. First of all, I do not consider people who support David Miscavige, Scientologists.  They are "charmed associates of David Miscavige".

Second of all, if you think Sharon is all smiley when she is not doing films, think again.

O.K. so you are airing a commercial, that has nothing to do with Scientologists or their conversations with others.  This is mainly Sharon Weber talking to a camera, not a person. Others prepared for a commercial . 

Certainly you can tell the difference between a woman talking to a camera, People talking for a camera, and others talking to one another under common conditions?  You do protest illusion created by others.  Surely this abbracadabra business is beneath your potential. 

Barb The Artist
Barb The Artist

I think they need to feed the commentator. She looks like she is starving.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

Sharon Weber is a ruthless registrar.  She has locked (as in guards by the door) guests in the conference room so that no one can get out until they buy sets of Basics. She applies heavy leverage to OTs, letting them know, that if they don't buy their Basics (and possibly lots of sets to donate to libraries) from the ship that this is unethical and implies that this will not bode well for their future eligibility. The registration on the ship is unrelenting and brutal. 

Her right hand guy, out in the field, Emanuel Mott is ruthless too and these two together will even resort to telling BS stories to create non-existent emergencies to get people to buy Basics. It's disgusting.

Neither one of these people or any of the other registrars from the ship, are in any condition or position to get anyone else's "ethics in", believe me.

GarryS
GarryS

What's the point of going on an expensive cruise in the sunny Caribbean when you're stuck in a conference room doing courses and being regged to death on breaks?  You can do that at home.

OLD OT7
OLD OT7

What a cognition I just had!  I now realize that I was born OT.  But I needed to hand over wheelbarrows  of cash to scientology to confirm this.  But it was worth it!

Now, I admit, I'm not as powerful as Tom Cruise who can bypass the line at the deli and head straight to the counter.  I hope to get to his level someday.  But, my OT powers were showing!  When I got to the service counter, they gave me TWO paper napkins instead of one!  I know some of you are laughing, but I'm really very, very powerful!  My next goal is to get a free cup of coffee!

Feel my power all of you wogs and wogettes!

Rolotomasii
Rolotomasii

That is honestly the most bizarre thing I ever ever seen in my life.   What the hell is she even talking about?  And I love how she is a Lt. Colonel, a rank that does not appear in the US Navy, but does in the Marines and Air Force.  The equivalent rank in the Navy is Commander and these loons could not even get that right.  I imagine after 2 hours on that ship one is secretly praying for an iceberg.   

Tye Solaris
Tye Solaris

Funny and True.

It has been occurring to me of late that Hubbard's bifurcated mind produced Xenu as his 'Other' self.... the Un-Holy alliance of Xenu, Hubbard and Satan.

InTheNameOfXenu
InTheNameOfXenu

Not only did my IQ plunge watching this video, but now my education level has been erased down to a sixth grade level.

OLD OT7
OLD OT7

Hmmmmm.   Well that explains everything for me!  As an OT7 completion (the old OT7), I now realize that  I've been an OT my entire life.  But it took scientology and more "donated" money than I care to reveal, to show me just how powerful I really am.

Ok, ok, I'm not quite as powerful as Tom Cruise who can dodge the line at a deli to get immediate service, but, when I did get up to the service counter, with my incredible OT powers, they gave me TWO paper napkins instead of one!!!

Behold my OT powers all you wogs and wogettes! 

Quickpen
Quickpen

The woman at the beginning of the video eyes are very sad.

I found it very difficult to listen to her speak, she was so short of breath.  She has the voice of a long-time heavy smoker, and there's no question in my mind she has severe COPD.  What will happen to her WHEN (not if) she gets a resp infection and can't breathe?  Will her crew mates let her die?

MarcabianFleetCommander
MarcabianFleetCommander

I find it troubling that I was able to follow the video without having to rely on a $cilon to English dictionary. Apparently I've been following the crazy cult far more intensely than I realized. I need to find a few new hobbies to round things out ... :/

mad_world
mad_world

You gotta admire L. Con Blubbard's accurate prediction of Scientology:

"An organization or its part or an individual passes through various states of existence. These, if not handled properly bring about shrinkage and misery and worry and death"

Nobodys
Nobodys

What is with the flashing "subliminal" messages from 0.55 to 1.07 such as "free", "time is running out", etc.? That's kicking it Madison Avenue old school.

DodoTheLaser
DodoTheLaser

Basically, it goes like this:

Theta vs. entheta meets the source and you go home and find things are helping you.

Because you are hatted.

The power of OT. (AMEX)

P.S. And you find your keys on top of the fridge. The Obnosis Tech.

Jenny
Jenny

 Marcotai v Barbera.

Bring it!

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

As much as you may not want to acknowledge it, to those who are not initiated, this sounds the same as the letters and orders we read from Hubbard's sea going days. Your argument seems to be, this is not my flavor of scientology thus it isn't real scientology. That's the definition of the "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy. 

There is less difference between you and those you don't consider scientologists than there is between Shi'a and Sunni muslims. Especially when you talk about the intricacies of your religion. 

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

What should the title have been? "When Some Scientologists (the ones that do services in the official churches of Scientology) Talk to Each Other About Scientology?"

Clearly it's a promotional piece. No one watching this is going to confuse this for a random, generic conversation. You may not have watched the whole video. There is a whole section of Scientologists, at the end, giving their testimonials (commercials) to let others know why they should come to the Freewinds (Scientologists talking to Scientologists about Scientology).

I find the title sufficiently apt.

Theoracle
Theoracle

I thought she looked great for a woman in her 60's. 

Guest
Guest

Help me understand how they can strong-arm you.  I mean, if I'm chillin in my cabin, reading a book, and some goons keep knocking on my door, why not just tell them to f-off and put on some headphones?

Barb The Artist
Barb The Artist

Is that the host of the video. If so I just posted they need to feed her.  I never been to he ship and I am glad I never was able to go.

Jonathon Barbera
Jonathon Barbera

What's the point of going on an expensive cruise if you don't have Scientology materials to study while you're there?

Neither viewpoint is right or wrong.

Theoracle
Theoracle

What is my religion?  I don't recall mentioning my religion, as I do not subscribe to religion. I didn't even know I "talked about the intricacies"  of any religion.  Where might I find such a talk of mine?   If this is the same as some letters you heard several decades ago that is news to me also.  I didn't know I had any awareness of differing flavors of Scientology either.  I do have awareness, some, of cultures. The current culture born and grown by David Miscavige. is a culture of communist militants. I would not ascribe them to a religious order.  If you do,  that is how you perceive them. Each person files things in categories familiar to themselves.  If you see no difference between me and others, file me in a common pile if that works for you and makes life feel more organized and manageable.  I only consider myself an independent influence seeking to exchange information and organize truths.

Theoracle
Theoracle

Thank you for your interest. To answer your question, if it were my piece, I would have titled it " A CHAIRMAN MAO SCAVAGE PROPAGANDA FILM "

Barb The Artist
Barb The Artist

 That has nothing to do with being super skinny.  Look closely.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

People don't just generally chill in their room. There is barely enough time to get through the course that you paid for and you don't want to have to stay extra time to finish because you didn't make the deadline as then you have to pay for extra accommodations and possibly airfare change fees. However, this often happens anyway. So, no one hangs out in their room. You cannot leave without finishing what you came to do. This is not a pleasure, rest and relaxation cruise.

Oftentimes people go as a group, from an org, and also do a convention at the same time where people are being instructed on how to "go home and boom their areas". It would be considered rather self absorbed and dilettantish to hang out in your room when there is a planet to clear, seriously. Everyone is supposed to produce some sort of stat while they are there and they know it.

In addition, when you first arrive and when you leave, you HAVE TO get through a routing form in which you are obligated to get the various fundraising entities to sign off that you have been seen. You are on a floating fundraising machine, I tell you. There is no escape.

It is considered bad form, dilettantish and insubordinate not to show up to the weekly graduations and this is one of the places where they reg the crap out of you.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen
Synthia Elizabeth Fagen

 Yes, she is the host of the video and actually, through all the garbage, a good person. She has lost her way. She is totally Miscavige's slave.

Guest
Guest

I was trying to remember why you are a moron, you just reminded me.  Thx

V for Vacation
V for Vacation

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Theoracle
Theoracle

No. I have no power to judge you. I am weak and disillusioned. You will survive, I will fail.

Theoracle
Theoracle

I have no rights. No rights at all. Only you have rights to post here, and bring out the wrong in me. Have a nice week.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

I'm not sure I understand how you're different than these scientologists who scream berate and yell at people who disagree with them. Next you'll wonder what our crimes are right?

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

That's not a slur. It's a stament of fact, you made a claim that these people are not scientologists. But what gives you the right to determine who is and isn't a sceintologist? 

Theoracle
Theoracle

I came to exchange views, not personal slurs.  I am a fan of Tony's and not here to abuse other readers.  That would make reading his blog or contributing painful for his other fans and therefore, reduce his audience.  That would be a dis service towards Tony.  

Theoracle
Theoracle

No I don't feel any obligations here.

Theoracle
Theoracle

At least I am not here getting kicks in to nurse some urges for sadism and abuse.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

But you do feel obligated to mock up the mocking mock up when mocking down mock round? 

On a more serious note, you are saying that these people are not scientologists, who is it then who holds the right to say who is and isn't a scientologist. Once again, by doing this you are committing a logical fallacy just because these people aren't subscribing to what you consider true sceintology to be. 

Lliira
Lliira

You sound just like the Scientologists in the video. 

Theoracle
Theoracle

It is also not true for me that I have difficulty in confronting or acknowledging issues.You have mocked up several items here and ascribed them to me. That handles something for YOU. I am glad for that. But I do not feel obligated to take on items you mock up that are not mine.  

Barb The Artist
Barb The Artist

 I am not picking at her but the cult is known for not feeding their people.  I am done with this comm line.

Theoracle
Theoracle

She is visible from the shoulders up. I can see she is not carrying excess fat in her face and she has a small frame by her shoulders.  Otherwise, I do not disparage people for their weight in one direction or the other. It is her body, she feeds it as she she wants. I don't really have a problem about it myself.

Barb The Artist
Barb The Artist

Ok they still need to feed her.  You can see her bones under the clothing.  Most still in are lost and may never be found. I had to find out the hard way but I would have looked anyhow because I always have to read and know things as you can tell on FB.

She is not a good video host.  Her voice is all wrong.

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